Akie

I have been looking for information about BPD ( Borderline Personality Disorder ) and how exactly Prozac works and its side effects but the information sometimes tend to contradict to each other.

So I am wondering,

1.Frequent dispays of inappropriate anger

2. Recurrent suicide gestures such as wrist cutting, overdosing or self - mulitation.

3. Feelings of emptiness and boredom. Intolerance of being alone.

4. Impulsiveness with moeny, substance abuse, sexual relationships, binge eating or shoplifting, self-damaging, such as casual sex ( promiscuous )

5. See things in terms of extrems, either all good or all bad.

6. View themselves as victims of circumstance and take little responsibility for themselves or their problems.

7. ( Passive ) aggresive.

8. Personality changes.

9. Self-destructive.

So anything else that is seriously related to BPD symptoms that I missed? I do want to find out every possiblity of becoming a BPD patient.

Self - Mulitation,, Impulsiveness with sexual relationships,, Binge Eating, Self - Destructive ( Suicidal in general but what else exactly? )

Now I really need a real explaination for each of those 4 terms I listed above. If you could give me any information it will be hightly appreciated.

Also, if you could list the side effects of Prozac and what kind of treatment or medication should be provided to BPD patients, it would be great.Thanks for your time and effort in advance.

mirdorr

Google is your friend. There appears to a website called www.prozac-side-effects.com/.

Esbat

Call 1-800-825-5249 (GSK, the company that makes Prozac)

Ask to talk to Prunaar. He plays EQ.

edit: If you think you (or someone else) has personality disorder, odds are very good they do. ESPECIALY if they are between the age of 18-24 and male. Seek treatment. It is worth it.

Darus Grey

Treatment/help is one thing, but drugs is another.


Very few people have mental problems that cant be cured socially, drugs are a BAD move.
This may be my personal belief, but giving someone personality disorder drugs is akin to killing that person.
Very few people need them, again, most of the effects you listed are stimulated by situation.
A much better solution is to help people overcome the problems they have(or simply percieve) in thier life that causes them to act the way they do.

That said, some people are just plain screwed up, and do benefit from these drugs, but its a very small minority, not the very large percentage actual usage statistics show.

In summary: Current medical practices are a cop out, and drugs are "the easy solution" to a problem that could be avoided.

Esbat

uhhhh.... sure. I can see something like Thorazine doing that... but I've *taken* the class of drugs we are talking about (Wellbutrin, in fact).

They work. One year of treatment for a chemical inbalance- nothing else in my life changed. I'm much easier to be around now, trust me.

Darus Grey

As I said, personal belief, but as you said yourself..you changed, maybe for the percieved better, but a change none the less.

To elaborate on my eariler point, well some people have chemical inbalances, most cases are triggered by a stimuli of some sort, and it begins to cascade from there.

This is just an example of what im referring to, not meant to be an end all statement:

Your chronically depressed, you lost your job, which in turn ended up losing your wife, your family, your home, your life.
Etc, I'd be pretty depressed too, and stay that way for awhile.
We'll call your start point 0. You have cascaded down to -8.

Society's answer to your problem? Pills!

My opinion: Helping someone work back up to 0 in the above example is a better solution to a mental "disorder", then having some quack throw medicines at you until they find one that works.
Most mental "disorders" can be "cured" by simply removing the stimuli that creates it, or in the above example working back up to 0.

The only real canidates for mental disorder drugs are people who have displayed tendancies for the illness the vast majority of their life, especially if it manifested early childhood.
THOSE people have a problem, and for the record Amhorach I'm not making any judgement about which you are, as I know nothing about your situation.

I've had plenty of people close to me diagnosed and prescribed a vast plethora of all the different mental drugs over the years, very few of them are the same person I once knew, and I think the rampant prescription of these "easy fixes" is one of the biggest injustices in modern society.


Edit: Fixed a really glaring typo that made a paragraph make no sense.

Akie

Would you please explain further more? Like their personality changed or the chemical balanced better for them by medications? Or what?

Esbat

Now, I will speak only of adult or late teen onset problems, because I think things like ADD are over diagnosed in children. Children are *supposed* to be insane pains in the asses.

Now, to continue-
The entire point of the drugs is to change someone's personality and behavior. The same is true for any other treatment- even ones that do not use drugs.

Why?

For whatever reason, the personality traits being exhibited by these people are either unacceptable to themselves, their family or society at large. Could complex programs of rehabilitation fix the problem? Maybe. How long would it take? How much would it cost? Would it even work- has the chemical imbalance become so great that nothing short of drugs will help it?

SOME mental disorders can be cured this way- say perhaps mild depression and some phobias. Also, drugs do the same thing- they remove the stimuli that chemical inbalances are creating on the body.


It really depends on the individual. I'm sure everyone would agree that I am less likely to make national headlines for dragging someone into the street and beating them than I was 10 years ago... so my personality has changed, but for the better.

During the year of medication, I averaged about 3-4 hours of sleep a night and felt fully rested- the dopamine changes in my brain were the cause of this. I was happy about it, though. In the years since I've stopped taking the drugs, I've gone back to reeding/wanting more sleep.

Thormir

As a society, we're a little quick to jump at meds as the best solution to what might be happening in our gray matter. We tend to want quick and easy fixes, and pills provide that...sort of. The question a mental health professional must ask when assessing a patient is, "What are the underlying circumstances? What is the causative factor?" Did the patient cut family ties, lose job and become a recluse because of crippling depression, or did depression result from those factors?

Chemicals are best suited to help those whose problems result from chemicals. Drugs can stabilize a person whose depression results from environmental factors, thus helping a person get back on his feet. But in that instance, the person should receive counseling conducive to getting off the drugs (and generally, counselling is a better first step than drugs in this instance).

Borderline, like all PDs, is resistant to treatment. Getting the person to understand that they actually have a problem is next to impossible; to them, you're the one with the problem. It's also difficult to diagnose. The symptoms you listed aren't all that unusual (especially today) individually. When taken together and combined with an attitude of denial (that any of the symptoms are problematic), then the diagnosis becomes more clear.

Because PDs are fairly resistant to behavioral therapies, and because successful treatment can take months or years and a lot of money, drugs are often a preferable course of action.

For current information, you should really contact an actual mental health professional. A suicide hotline may also provide answers/referrals to bolster your information.

Esbat

Cost me a marriage- and I still didn't get treatment.