Cronuus

Why god is a bunch of horse shit:

Assuming that the christian "god" exists(ha ok sure).
Hes a fucking dictator...
Follow him or BURN.
So....
Everyone is a sinner, jesus died for our sins, we must ask to be forgiven and so on blah blah blah...
You can lead a good life, be a generally good person, help others, be nice, whatever, but not believe in god or jesus, and he would throw you to an eternity of burning.
Now an eternity wouldn't be a really really long ass time +1000 years, its _forever_ as in, it doesn't end, infinite number of years.

Then comes along a child molestor, who's killed and raped dozens, whos bombed buildings, and so on blah blah blah...
Hes cought, sentenced to death, prays for forgiveness and really means it, whoops hes free to go yay.

Anyone see how this is completely wrong in so many ways and anyone with half a brain should be able to see how wrong it is?
Religion is retarded.

Gemini

Couldn't agree with you more.

Boneskin

thats why u need to pick your own conception of god.

dont confuse religion with spirituality

but im gonna enjoy checking this thread from time to time to hear people spout off shit like they believe they have the mental capability to discern the big picture from God's point of view.

jdawg112

Can you please find some scripture or some church documents from a Christian religion that support this? I am not an overly religious person, however my in-laws are VERY religious. The generic Christian faith in no way states that those who do not believe in God will burn in hell eternally.

However, if the evil sinner(in your case a rapist or a murdered, shall we say?) did *truly* repent(and this could be known only to God) then he would be forgiven, but not necessarily glorified with the most righteous of people.

Lastly, I would point out your entire argument is flawed from the start, because to agree with your argument, you must be willing to assert that God does forgive those who repent, and asserting that would mean you believe in God, first and foremost.

Willgatus Airslasher

This isn't the sole logical flaw in the concept of a supreme being. For example:

Why would a God (or Goddess, for the feminists who reject the very idea of an evil patriarchial religion) create a sentient race and pose an ultimatum: a life of obsequy or an eternity in Hell? If He really wanted sycophants, He could have created humans as such.

Why would God allow such suffering to befall the world, especially the faithful? Religion and mythology propagate(sp?) the fallacy that good things happen to good people, whereas in reality, good things happen to those who make them happen - usually at the expense of others, at that.

Why are the three main monotheistic faiths (as well as quite a few others) so self-contradictory? For example, we supposedly have the ability to choose to put our faith in God and thus possess free will, yet there are prophecies (which mean a predetermined future) that accepted as absolute truth in the religious texts.

The proof for these religions has more holes than Swiss cheese. That's why I prefer Buddhism.

jdawg112

I don't understand this. Please explain in sentences that are decipherable w/o the super secret aethist decoder ring. Thanks!

DaidaltheMinstrel

Although not over religious myself either, kinda on the fringes atm and really struggling with it, there are some things about your notion of the Christian religion that you have misconceptions about and need to be corrected for you to understand this better. Its not suprising you think religion is horseshit, the conception you have of god is too small. Hes not some angry man taking down notes on every sin you have, looking to send you to hell, quite the contrary.


The Christian God is anything but a dictator. God, while being a being unable to be described in categorizing terms, as that limits Him, is the infinite source of love. And through Jesus, he proposes to us a covenant. Not a contract, which is a negotation of terms, but a covenant, a giving of onesself. He gave us free will so that we can live our lives in whatever fashion, but He is desperately longing for a relationship with us. If he didn't give us free will, there'd be no purpose behind our creation, as little drones of His will would mean absolutely nothing to us. Instead, we are given free will, with the power to choose, if we will, to enter into this covenant with him. It is basically the idea that we just have to open the door, and He will receive us, we just have to take the first step towards him, something we cannot. Sin isn't something that makes God angry or vengeful, it is merely us taking a step away from God when he is wishing completely that we would join Him. The idea of hell is also not a burning pit where we suffer endlessly from flames. Instead, it is the absence of God. It is a seperation, the act of not chosing God's grace and salvation, and thus being without Him. God does not exclude those who are not aware of Him because they haven't been informed of His existance through missionaries or whatever means. In fact, and this is mostly my opinion, but my belief is that a good life served with moral intents (relative yes, but I'm sure most of you understand what is generally meant by this, so don't let it be a point of nit-picking, haha, thx) in any religion is infinitely better and more pleasing to God than living the Christian faith for an hour a week.


Btw, if you wish to know more about the trinity, and the teaching behind the reason for it and the origin of Jesus and his necessity, I can explain it to the best of my ability if you wish.




That part is very important, don't forget. It can't be he prays and says he means forgiveness and its really convincing and everybody is brought to tears by his execution. He has to mean completely every ounce of it, not just wishing he hadn't done it so he isn't being killed. Everybody is falliable, and some people make much larger errors than others. Is it acceptable? No, but does it happen and is it possible to be sorry for a wrong doing of such magnitude? Yes.


Your ability to disprove religion will not be found in the Church's teachings, as it is a system that is built to be proven by it's own structures. Religion can be used to prove religion. The question of whether or not it is true is based on a much more simplistic yet infinitely more complex question, of whether or not God exists and how one can obtain a certain level of confidence in this as to feel faith in God is legitimate.

Willgatus Airslasher

Sorry, force of habit

1) Christians acknowledge that whether one believes/worships God is a conscious choice. Therefore, human beings have free will and the ability to alter the future through their actions.

2) The Bible/other religious texts also have prophecies that are considered to be true. Take Judgment Day for example (there are probably better prophesies to illustrate the point, but I don't remember any off the top of my head). It is inevitable, as are many, many other events predicted by people who are believed to have had visions from God. So the future is predetermined, and our free will to alter it is an illusion at best.

The only conceivable ways to prove the religious views on this matter valid in my eyes would be to provide a mathematically precise extrapolation of the future that the prophets saw, or have the religious collectives discard the notion of prophecy entirely.

In any case, the original point Cron's post and my first one are two significant questions posed to Christianity. This one is just nitpicking

Crist0

A common misconception, but as I recall the whole "lake of fire and brimstone" bit is not for all eternity and in the end satan and his buddies get 1/3 of the earth or something.

ViBeSJoKeR

mankind = god ..