Psycokiller1

Before I get started, just let me say that I do not feel that just because someone can perform a certain service like porting or buffing, that they are entitled to do so upon request. That is not what I am upset about. Let me just tell you the story. Last night, my wife a druid and myself a shammy were helping out a good friend of ours getting a spell comp to drop in Dulak, which we were able to get. Well, we had about an hour before we had to log, so we decided to go to PoN and get a little exp in the time we had left. we get there and everything goes smoothly until we pick up a few adds and my wife and friend go down. Wife is bound in PoK, so when she pops she asks for someone to rez offering donation in return; no response. She does this repeatedly and no one answers. I tell her to offer 500 pp and see what happens, to which she refuses to do saying that 500pp is too much to pay for a couple of rezzes in a fairly easy place to get to. I agreed, but I was going to make a point. so, I gated into PoK and ooc'd that I would pay 500pp for two rezzes. Instantly I am flooded with tells... Point made.
Now I understand and agree that people should be paid for their services, that is not my dispute. But why should people be offered a plat amount to get them respond? Why was the word "donation" not enough? These people were obviously not too busy to come running like rabid dogs for the 500pp, but apparently a bit too consumed with their thumb twiddling to come for a vague donation.
I am not here to pick exclusively on clerics. I have run into this same situation with druids, before my wife and I could two box together, and necros, for a corpse summon. Its not any one class, its the people behind the toon. i guess what im trying to say is if you are too busy to help someone out that has offered a donation for your service, then dont come running when someone else offers a high specific amount. On the same note, if you offer to donate and someone is good enough to help you out, dont throw them a copper and innocently say, "I said for donation". Being stingy is also a form of greed. Perhaps that is why the casters are so reluctant to help out on a "donation" offer. Hmm... Something to ponder.




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Osgiliath666

People want 500pp because the market has shown to support that. Economics my friend. Shitty yes but it's like baseball. It's a kids game that grown men play making million upon millions to play and owners who charge 5 bucks for a watered down pisswater beer. Why? The market will bare it. Just like you finally offered up 500PP. the clerics will wait patiently for the right money because they know someone WILL offer it and pay it.

samanusuke

/shrug, it happens a lot in eq, some people don't get any kind of joy or happiness out of helping others, just from what they gain. It's alright though, I find myself able to piss these people off quite easily.

A few times, I would ask for help of someone specific and be denied, because they were "busy" while i'd be standing behind them, sitting at a bank or so. Then i'd ooc something like, Paying 2k for a TL to whateverzone, (This was before PoP, mind you) only to recieve a tell from that person, "Oh, I didnt know you were paying, come on over." Then, i'd just say, no thanks, someone else got the tell here first, have a good day though =). You wouldn't believe the amount of profanity that soon followed many times as I ran where I needed to go ;p

Nydia Ywalmoriel

Mods, you might want to move this to NAG...

Now I'm an enchanter, and we have our own issues, but to address your question, (as my partner is a cleric main), most higher level working clerics are *flooded* with tells/hails for rezzes, Temperance, Virtue, and the like every time they have the misfortune to be crossing PoK, and not infrequently when they're out on an exp grind. Worse yet, sometimes folks just shove plat in your trade window as if you were a vending machine and expect services.

If you don't play a cleric, you aren't 'entitled' to a rez, period. Perhaps those clerics didn't answer you because they had something else to do with their time? My partner, Faervas, simply won't go out of his way to do rezzes unless it's worth the time he's losing on his exp grind, tradeskill, or whatever else he happened to be working at the time, although if he *encounters* a body in his travels, and isn't swamped at that moment, he will almost always /con it, and if it has time on the rez timer, shoot the person a tell and rez them. He also happily does rezzes in exp zones if someone is willing to drag the corpse to him and he is not getting worked at that moment.

You and your partner choose to play classes that can get good solo/duo experience (and are not grouping a cleric), with the 'cost' being that you have to find a rez when things go south. The cleric doesn't have the option of being able to solo for experience, and worse yet, when he does go out for exp, has to pay out continuously just to keep the group buffed, something that no other class in the game has to do. Proper compensation for clerics and cleric 'greed' in exp groups is another issue entirely, but I think you can see where I'm going here. Clerics have lives too. They don't 'owe' you a rez; you're asking them to take time out of whatever *they* are doing to give you one, and as the previous poster mentioned, it's up to the individual what their time is 'worth'...

Sincerely,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
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Nydia Ywalmoriel

Oh, I just mentioned this to Faervas, and he laughed and said that the reason that he doesn't respond to shouts asking for a rez 'for donation' is that he says, based on his experience, that the 'donators' usually both expect the cleric to undertake the effort *and* give very little money (20pp after crossing several zones and the person expecting *him* to find the body has been a frequent result) compared to the folks who just ask without mentioning money at all... If you send him a *tell* for a rez, the first question will be not 'How much will you pay', as money isn't the issue for either of us (time is), but 'Where is the body?'

And offering 500 plat for a rez is an exhorbitant amount of money - no wonder those clerics jumped! I don't think it proves your theory at all, as it is so far out of line with usual rez compensation that almost anyone (including Faer) would come do it if they weren't tied up. If we got that kind of cash for rezzes on a regular basis, we wouldn't be in perpetual negative cash flow...

Regards,
Nydia

Fullwin

I can't speak for anyone beyond myself, although Nydia as usual is right on target. If I have the time to do it, I'll respond to any rez request I see, donation offered or not.

But for 500pp I'd probably stop to go rez someone even if I was already doing something else, as long as whoever was waiting for me didn't mind. I mean, that's a lot of money for what's being provided.

It's really just luck of the draw as to which clerics are in-zone and which of them have the time or inclination to help.

Kialya

You hit the jackpot with that. As a cleric I have crossed many zones for a "donation" only to be honestly given a peridot .. then asked for a buff~ hahaha.

Dartaignon

If I'm going to bum a rez, I'll drag the corpse to them, or at least send tells to clerics in zone offering them some pp or buffs for a rez.

Just because someone didn't drop what they were doing to help you doesn't give you a reason to blimmety.

Ask my enchanter for kei... I'll tell you 100pp or buzz off. Pay it or get it elsewhere.

Anukar

I must reluctantly agree with my fellow Clerics on this matter. "IF" I am in the same zone "AND" if I am not to busy healing my own group and such I will gladly give a free rez. But.... if I have to travel more than 2 zones out of my way to give a rez I will probably decline unless there is ample compensation ( not just a peridot or 2).
I am not greedy but I would like to be compensated for my time just like everyone else......a druid wont port someone to a random zone just for "fun" and there arent to many Enchanters giving "free" KEI out there and most clerics like to be paid back for there Peridots for Virtue or Temperance.

Shewdogg

I would post something, but then I'd probably have to read this stupid post. Put it in NAG and maybe I'll sit down between a study break to tear someone a new one. Thanks.