Osgiliath666

Hamas leaderless again!

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Haloface

Yah.

They're well on the way to establishing peace.

ycorerixle

There can be no peace through negotiations, I believe this has been tried for over a decade now. Every cease-fire, or "peace agreement" has been broken by suicide bombings and terrorist attacks. The latest Israeli proposal has already been flatly refused by Arafat and the PLO. Arafat has made it clear time and time again that there can be no compromise, that the Palistinians will NEVER STOP THE INTIFADA until the state of Palistine exists with Jerusalem as it's CAPITAL.

Hama is a certified terrorist organization. Like the dumbass sheik before him, this cretin is a self proclaimed murderer of innocents, so please shed no tears for him.. Abdel Rantisi, ironically a pediatrician, has delivered his last infant nail-bomb, and for that everyone should be grateful.

I believe there have been none, or possibly very few brokered peace agreements without war. I can't think of any peace that was brought about purely through negotiation and minimal bloodshed. In all cases, one side has always had to have been pummeled into submission first-- forced to compromise.

The Sheik was killed over two weeks ago. Hamas swore revenge and has made over 15 attempts of suicide bomb/attacks on Israeli citizens, and have failed in all of them, resulting in the deaths of over 17 Palistinian terrorists, 3 of them "children" (Halo, there are your "innocent" nail-bomb laden children you like to talk about). Israel is sending a clear message to Hamas, and anybody who now has the balls to call themselves the new leader of Hamas will know his time is numbered. Now I have little doubt that there is no shortage of fanatics willing to fill his shoes, but one cannot dispute that each replacement will be less educated, less trained, and bottom line less able to direct Hamas in what they do, which is kill inocents. I say Amen to that.

Ycore

Sumamael

It's the same dude who publicly proclaimed that he isn't afraid of Israel killing him.
I guess he forgot to bring his human shields this time.

Good job.

NamieAmuro

Any Hamas leader is walking dead at this point,
I wonder who will take the job next.

And how long after that he'll be dead.

--Namie

Lleauric

Israel is using the only method that will work

Its easy to send teenagers to die with bombs strapped to their chest, its another thing to know that the minute you poke your head out your door, its getting blown the fuck off.

The one thing I have to give Bush credit for, the shift to going to war with Terrorist groups. Motherfuckers better be REAL careful about calling Jihad, cause we might just declare it back.

Talveran Shadowbomb

The problem is with the radicals, no matter how much they try to negociate, it only takes 1 coward to strap on some explosives and blow up a bus or a restaurant. Israel at least tries to target the leaders, however they do not care about civilian casualties.

lamascsi

this wont have any serious result (except if you count more dangerous life in Israel as an intended result).

Have you seen the pictures guys? This could work, if hamas were a baseless organization with like 100 supporter. Wont have any good with the 10.000+ sopen supporters and millions symphatizans they have in the muslim world. There will be always replacements to the leaders.

Haloface

RIGHT.
I've had enough.

Let me paint you folks a picture, as you're too fucking ignorant or wrapped in blissful content to see anything beyond the Israeli "defense".

Britain, in its infinite wisdom, made a hell-hole after the First World War, when our lovely Empire was not yet completely worn out.
The poor, miserable Ottomans were kicked out of Palestine by the British, who told the Arabs (who we would now call Palestinians) that it would be for them. However, we also made promises to the Jews in Europe (mainly to gain their support against Germany in WW1).
Now, I have sympathy for the Israeli's, I really do. They've been treated like shit by pretty much everyone. Brits killed 'em, Spanish ran 'em out, Hitler went exterminating happy. Who wouldn't be ready to defend themselves so aggressively if they had such a history?
So anywho, The Balfour Declaration, a document that most Palestinians, I've no doubt, shudder at the mention of, was written by the British Foreign Secutary of the time, stating that the British Government supported “the establishment in Palestine of a national home for the Jewish people." Now the Arabs didn't know about this, and the Jews didn't know about the Arabs not really knowing.
With me so far?
So when the Brits and the Arabs kicked the poor Turks out of Palestine, it was, of course, split in to Jordan and Palestine a few years after WW1, with Britain controlling the area.

Oh boy. Hindsight's a bitch.

Over the next 25 or so years, the Jewish Zionist's immigrate en mass, after the British sold the idea of them living in the Holy Land. Now the poor bastard Arabs were getting worried. European, Jewish people, by the thousands, start settling in to their, supposedly (and promised) land.
Both parties looked to us painfully short sighed Brits, and we kept changing sides. Supporting the creation of a Jewish state with Jerusalem as its capital on one side, and then confirming to the Arabs the automity of a Palestine, much like what happened with Jordan.

But then the Jewish population trickled over the million mark, and feeling let down by the British, and slightly overwhelmed, the Arabs had enough. They begun fighting the Jews under the notion that the Brits had failed to do anything to prevent them from being over-run by the Jewish Europeans.
After something like 2 or 3 years, we wise old Brits finally managed to restrict Jewish immigration and finally halt the increasingly overwhelming population.
WW2 kicked in.
Palestine was, for a time, at peace. The Arabs were content with the British efforts of preventing them from being outnumbered and crowded in their own country, and the Jews were happy with a place to call their own.

WW2 ended. Some 100, 000 Holocaust survivors fled to Israel. We Limey's couldn't contain it. The Jewish population rocketed, until it over-took the Arabs.
The Arabs were pissed, the Jews were worried, so finally, as our Empire became completely exhausted and our resources were depleted due to the World Wars, we had the bright idea of putting our hands up to the problem, withdrawing most of our troops, and passing the "mess" to the newly created UN, while we had a grim time dismantling the last threads of the Empire.

So what did the UN do? Well, they contrived the idea of splitting Palestine in to two seperate Jewish and Arab states. The Arabs put their trust in to the UN that they would be protected and kept at peace in their new state, while the Jews, growing by the month, were anxious and - obviously - eager for their own, independent safe haven.
So guess what? They wanted the British out. How did they express this?

Guerilla and terrorist activites against the remaining British force. That's right kiddies. As the Palestinians are today, the Jews didn't have the resource or the possibility of a competent or reliable army or defence, so the people resulted to terrorist tactics directed against us Brits.

Finally, we completely withdrew. The UN brought in a voting council to pass a resolution which suggested the creation of Israel. The resolution didn't win initially. It had only 25 votes, while 13 rejected it and 17 were abstentions. Some "pats on the back" and "arm twisting" later resulted in a number of countries changing their vote, and so the resolution scraped through. The Arabs walked out in disgust and disbelief, being promised Palestine from the beginning, But the Jews, you Yanks, and the Soviet Union immediately recognized the country and celebrated.

With American and, initially, European support, Israel grew and "Palestine" dwindled. The Muslim world was pissed off (though really, it had nothing to do with them, being that they never helped the Palestinians in their bloody lives), and well, you have the Six Day War.
Mini-America, errr I mean Israel, was gang-banged by the surrounding nations. Palestinians, having never really stopped fighting with the Jewish immigrants, hoped to regain the land they had been slowly denied by the British, and then completely by the UN.
It wasn't so. Israel pwned Egypt, Syria, and uhh.. Jordan? Who knows.
I wanna laugh when I think about how small Israel was, and how large the other nations were. Anyway, un-sympatheticly, they got their just deserves. But the poor fucking Palestinians, who were denied what they were promised, then kicked out of the land, were now occupied.

A fucked up government, no economical, social, or military prospects, overwhelming and drastic Israeli retaliation and occupation....

And you have to even CONTEMPLATE why Palestinians do what they do?!?
No, I do not sympathize with terrorists. I do not welcome Palestinian suicide bombers. I don't support Hamas.
But I can fucking well understand their motivation sometimes, and I certainly will never reduce them to nothing more than brutal, vicious, Arabs.

This is what the majority of you folks lack - looking objectively at the otherside.

Lleauric

Your best post ever..

I dont agree with alot of it.. but well done.