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Yeah you are so cool bitch, rot in hell.

This kind if shit is embarrassing to me as an American citizen.

It takes a real man to punch someone that can't fight back and can't see the punch coming ...

This stuff outrages me so much. As Americans everyone of us should hold these failures for what they are. We are supposed to be above this kind of thing. We are supposedly at war to STOP this kind of barbaric behavior.

You will hear the common excuse... It is just some bad apples. If such can apply to these monsters, then can the rest of the world use the excuse for atrocities they commit?

Back when our idiotic president invaded Iraq and the news was coming in that they were arresting Iraqi's, essentially for the same bullshit charges that Saddam was arresting people for, I had written a letter to Senators Specter and Santorum asking why we were placing people in the same prison that Saddam used, and I had asked why no one was looking at the option of bulldozing the place to build the confidence of the Iraqi people in the US forces.

I received no answer.

I truly believe that our idiots er.... elected officials are either totally clueless or just simply evil to keep that place open and operating. It is a very shameful legacy that we as a nation are leaving.

Yeah you are so cool bitch, rot in hell.

This kind if shit is embarrassing to me as an American citizen.


Its embarrasing as an American citizen, as a Marine and as a human....I cannot imagine the mindset that would allow someone to smile in that situation. :confused:

Absolutely disgusting! cant even profer a rational thought beyond that! can it be these people just handed the high moral ground to the terrorists?

Back when our idiotic president invaded Iraq and the news was coming in that they were arresting Iraqi's, essentially for the same bullshit charges that Saddam was arresting people for, I had written a letter to Senators Specter and Santorum asking why we were placing people in the same prison that Saddam used, and I had asked why no one was looking at the option of bulldozing the place to build the confidence of the Iraqi people in the US forces.

I received no answer.

I truly believe that our idiots er.... elected officials are either totally clueless or just simply evil to keep that place open and operating. It is a very shameful legacy that we as a nation are leaving.
Off topic, but I wrote Senators Chambliss and Isakson awhile back, giving them a piece of my mind about their votes on FISA. I received no response from Isakson's office, and Chambliss' sent me a boilerplate response about why he supports the Fair Tax.

They've both more than likely received their last votes from me.

Its embarrasing as an American citizen, as a Marine and as a human....I cannot imagine the mindset that would allow someone to smile in that situation. :confused:

Unless that guy on the slab had been trying to snipe her and her fellow soldiers. Then I wouldn't blame her....
However, I know that's not the reality of the situation....:(

This makes me ill. I don't care if they were given orders I would not have done it. It takes someone of a certain character to be able to perform those acts and they certainly are not ones I want wearing a uniform of our military. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting and appalling. I pity those poor people and what they had to suffer.

absolutely disgusting and appalling. I pity those poor people and what they had to suffer.
And people still question why they fight use tooth and nail still?? Al-quiada in Iraq? give me a break! never was a factor in Iraq. it always was and still remains Iraqi's calling BS on our benevolent policy of love and caring for the populace.

This makes me ill. I don't care if they were given orders I would not have done it. It takes someone of a certain character to be able to perform those acts and they certainly are not ones I want wearing a uniform of our military. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting and appalling. I pity those poor people and what they had to suffer.
It's easy to say that, cozy in front of our computers here.

However, we are very much a product of our environments. I think we can probably all agree that it's wrong and inexcusable, yet I bet many of us could easily end up in similar situations after a few years over there.

It takes a real man to punch someone that can't fight back and can't see the punch coming ...

This stuff outrages me so much. As Americans everyone of us should hold these failures for what they are. We are supposed to be above this kind of thing. We are supposedly at war to STOP this kind of barbaric behavior.

I am curious about how many of these folks are playing games like GTA in their free time, and what if any affect that may be having on how they chose to act in their jobs. The lack of respect for others, and wanton violent behavior are not condoned as the norm in any branch of service.

What about the people who committed extreme acts of violence before video games came out?

Video games and violent media in general have become the pharmakos for unexplained violence. There is no logical basis behind this idea - it is a moralistic crusade headed by people such as Jack Thompson who wish to impose their own sense of morality on everybody else.

It's not like murder and torture just developed in the last three decades.

What about the people who committed extreme acts of violence before video games came out?

Video games and violent media in general have become the pharmakos for unexplained violence. There is no logical basis behind this idea - it is a moralistic crusade headed by people such as Jack Thompson who wish to impose their own sense of morality on everybody else.

It's not like murder and torture just developed in the last three decades.

/sigh

You will hear the common excuse... It is just some bad apples. If such can apply to these monsters, then can the rest of the world use the excuse for atrocities they commit?Stop trying to give your homeland a pass. While our military was busy investigating and arresting these assholes for their crimes, your nutjob cousins were busy stoning people as a matter of public celebration.

It's easy to say that, cozy in front of our computers here.

However, we are very much a product of our environments. I think we can probably all agree that it's wrong and inexcusable, yet I bet many of us could easily end up in similar situations after a few years over there.


I do agree with you to a point, and you are correct that anyone of us could end up like the MP in the photo, but there is still acceptable behaviour and this type is not.


This makes me ill. I don't care if they were given orders I would not have done it. It takes someone of a certain character to be able to perform those acts and they certainly are not ones I want wearing a uniform of our military. Disgusting, absolutely disgusting and appalling. I pity those poor people and what they had to suffer.

I also would like to think that I would not do it also, and I truly hope that I would constantly say in my mind that I will follow all LAWFUL orders.

I think at some point we need to look at those in charge and the deployments thay have our troops on, when this type of behaviour becomes generally accepted and people say things like:

Stop trying to give your homeland a pass. While our military was busy investigating and arresting these assholes for their crimes, your nutjob cousins were busy stoning people as a matter of public celebration.

To justify these types of actions, I fear we have lost the soul of our country.

It's easy to say that, cozy in front of our computers here.

However, we are very much a product of our environments. I think we can probably all agree that it's wrong and inexcusable, yet I bet many of us could easily end up in similar situations after a few years over there.

No, I'm pretty damn sure I wouldn't pose with a smile next to a dead corpse. I can say that and it doesn't matter where I sit. I have morales, I served this country in a uniform it's appauling to me to see this and know that others see the whole this way.

To justify these types of actions, I fear we have lost the soul of our country.Who's justifying it (besides Jedd)?

No, I'm pretty damn sure I wouldn't pose with a smile next to a dead corpse. I can say that and it doesn't matter where I sit. I have morales, I served this country in a uniform it's appauling to me to see this and know that others see the whole this way.
You may be right. I'd like to think I'm in the same boat.

However, if we know anything about basic psychology, we know that authority and social proof can be incredibly effective tools in making good people do bad things.

Who's justifying it (besides Jedd)?

Lol where the fuck did I justify it?

You will hear the common excuse... It is just some bad apples. If such can apply to these monsters, then can the rest of the world use the excuse for atrocities they commit?

Your statement there could be an attempt at justification.

Excusing bad behavior by pointing to other bad behavior, generally falls short.

It's all bad behavior.

you have to be pretty batshit to read what jedd posted as an justification for anything.

So, Iran just has "a few bad apples" then?
Too bad those "bad apples" are running the show in Iran, and aren't some enlisted soldiers building butt pyramids and mugging for the camera with a corpse in the background.

Instead, they get to make policy.....

as previously mentioned, batshit.

So, Iran just has "a few bad apples" then?
Too bad those "bad apples" are running the show in Iran, and aren't some enlisted soldiers building butt pyramids and mugging for the camera with a corpse in the background.

Instead, they get to make policy.....

What are you talking about Sixee?

What are you talking about Sixee?Same thing I said earlier. Your cousins force atrocities much worse than this upon its own citizens as a matter of national policy.

Same thing I said earlier. Your cousins force atrocities much worse than this upon its own citizens as a matter of national policy.

When did I bring up my "cousins"?

You did when you talked about the rest of the world committing atrocities. Iran is a world leader in that.

You did when you talked about the rest of the world committing atrocities. Iran is a world leader in that.

I never said anything about Iran... Which btw is not the world leader in committing atrocities. Please check Sudan, Kenya, Occupied Palestine(Israel), Saudi Arabia.

Lets analyze what I said...

You will hear the common excuse... It is just some bad apples. If such can apply to these monsters, then can the rest of the world use the excuse for atrocities they commit?

Now you see, An intelligent person would take that to mean that I question whether or not it is fair to judge others when our own soldiers commit such atrocities. Could Saudi Arabia get away with such things if they just blame it on some bad apples and promise to investigate for example. What if it happens again? And again? When do we start to blame more then just a few bad apples? They would also take it as a legitimate question as to how many have to act this way before there is a problem on a broader scale that needs to be addressed.

Of course Sixee and Akipt, the two of you have an easier time putting words in my mouth and changing the meaning of what I post to make me sound like some stupid Iranian cheerleader.

on further consideration, im revising my earlier statement to Completely Batshit.

Of course Sixee and Akipt, the two of you have an easier time putting words in my mouth and changing the meaning of what I post to make me sound like some stupid Iranian cheerleader.No, you do that quite well yourself.

No, you do that quite well yourself.

Guess you just can't have discussions with neo cons :)

Neo con? Stop sucking on the Putinista's ass drippings.

Neo con? Stop sucking on the Putinista's ass drippings.

Aww poor baby, did I hurt your feelings?

Aww poor baby, did I hurt your feelings?I like you Jedd, I really do. You remind me of me when I was young and stupid.

So, Iran just has "a few bad apples" then?
Too bad those "bad apples" are running the show in Iran, and aren't some enlisted soldiers building butt pyramids and mugging for the camera with a corpse in the background.

Instead, they get to make policy.....

Jedd wasn't trying to justify shit, but this here looks like Sixee attempting to justify it.

I like you Jedd, I really do. You remind me of me when I was young and stupid.


Wow... You must have a short memory, cause you have been stupid as late as 5 minutes ago

Jedd wasn't trying to justify shit, but this here looks like Sixee attempting to justify it.
This was a crumb of the same terrorist sympathizing inane tripe he's done in the past.

would you please stop projecting your retarded ideas on jedd, its quite pathetic.

Seriously.

And both of you aren't far behind him.

And both of you aren't far behind him.

your ideas intrigue me, may i subscribe to your newsletter?

If you were my dog, I'd shave your butt and teach you to walk backwards

If you were my dog, I'd shave your butt and teach you to walk backwards

This was a crumb of the same terrorist sympathizing inane tripe he's done in the past.

I like you Jedd, I really do. You remind me of me when I was young and stupid.


Neo con? Stop sucking on the Putinista's ass drippings.


"Anger and insults are the common replacement for those with no proof of what they desperately want to believe."-Freud

Guess you just can't have discussions with neo cons
"Anger and insults are the common replacement for those with no proof of what they desperately want to believe."-Freud
The only thing I desperately want to believe is that you're not as annoyingly hyprocritical in real life as you are here.

The only thing I desperately want to believe is that you're not as annoyingly hyprocritical in real life as you are here.

Are you insulted by the labeling of yourself as a Neo con? I simply stated a fact :)

And trust me... You are way more annoying. I just don't stoop down to your level too often, and that must piss you off more.

'Your cousins force atrocities much worse than this upon its own citizens as a matter of national policy.'

- Exactly. That makes it all the worst.

I simply stated a fact Yes, we all know your definition of fact by now. If you're calling me a neo con as you did "neocons can't be argued with", you're doing it as an insult attempt. Even if I was, you'd still be a hypocrite.

And trust me... You are way more annoying. Good. If I could cause you to rash I would. But the voices in my head tell me you're wrong here as well.