omg!!! mithost gave teh aerin dar 1hb weapon he won to a friend on an open raid... ppl r mad!!!

I'll be the uber guy who scoffs at the noobs for arguing over crappy loot.

So how many random PoK KEI beggers did it take to bring this guy down?

not sure but how much euro trash does it take ?

Hi!

Definately need much more random KEI beggar eurotrash than one particular European guild's eurotashes. :p

Anyway, I dont see any problems with open raids. Not that I ever want to participate in one, but if some people are willing to form a raid to kill a big mob and get some loot then so be it.

Ewber loot can be found on AD's corpse?

Heh.

Ever been on an "open" Naggy/Vox raid? SSDD

Flags > Loot anyhow.

'not sure but how much euro trash does it take ? '

- Are you coming on to me?

The same open raid got their asses handed to them by the Behemoth. :b I hate that fight.

I'm waiting to see any pick up raid taking MB down.
I already saw zerg pick up with 90 people wiping, I believe for this one that it's not only a matter of numbers!

/crosses fingers

If a 100 noobs die at once from a 4k ae and no one lives to see it, does anyone care?

4k ae

The only thing between us and 70 retards in Tactics.

Trust me, there are enough retards in tactics now anyway.
I miss the days when it was quiet.

and speaking of zerg....

Took me nearly 5~10 minutes after AD dropping to get an invite into the raid just to hail the goddamn planar projection. Whomever was leading that raid was a moron.

Though I know for a fact that Tenenbaum was leading the MBehemoth raid, and that he ~is~ a moron. 8/

Zehn is playing again? whats your characters name? i miss the days of you calling me names 8/

I do have some pity for someone leading a huge pickup raid of random people who may or may not have a clue against a target like AD or MB...can you imagine the fucking chaos? /shudder

lol I led the AD raid in question folks.

I had one rule on loot..roll if you want to..
sorry but my concern was the flags. What happened with what dropped was of little concern and not the point of the raid. winner won to do as they pleased. Sorry bout the upset on it but the flag was why we were there the loot was extra and not that great anyway.

It would be my guess here Perfect that beccause you did not know I was leading it you did not send me a tell for an invite after AD went down before the raid started or even let me know you were there as a straggler.


I'm sorry you had to wait so long for your flag. I tried to accomodate as many stragglers as i could after the raid peeps were flagged.

If you were booted for being too low and got missed as a first invite i doubly apologize because I did get a bit distracted when folks started leaving instead of clearing the hall mobs(

I had a list of folks tagging along for the raid and they got first invite over anyone else. You got lucky man that a group leader saw your request afterwards because i didnt even know you were there.

There was alot to keep track of and it took the efforts of 6 or 7 peeps to keep it all straight and that does not include the group leaders. for me it was tell hell spam central and i had my hands full keeping he chaos at bay.


It takes alot of prep before you can even shout for peeps because you need to be able to count on certain things for different mobs. Certain classes are needed , guilds need to be checked with for interested players of quality ect.

So far I have led two raids. Grummus and AD both were wins

With the exception of the chaotic ending after AD went down I thought we did rather well getting folks flagged so far.

I did not lead the MB raid because if you have ever hosted an open raid you know that 1 a day is enough lol.

MB is on my list of things to do btw However it is a complicated raid and it will take me time to put it together. When it goes I'm afraid no shouting will be done. those who can go will already know when it is and no stragglers will be invited.

I apologize for this but MB is complicated and it is possible to wipe After mb goes down if folks are not disciplined enough to listen and follow directions)

My response to being called a moron? perhaps you should just appreciate a flag you may not yet have had otherwise?

My thanks to all those whos efforts made these raids happen) its not something I would ever attempt to do alone. I'm just lucky enough to have some real good friends who are generous enough to help out when asked)

Very nice work Swifton. I was seeing your /ooc in PoT the other day for the raid. Thought it was pretty cool someone would have the want to actually run a open raid again. It's been a long time since ive seen that.


Ibudin

Oh ya and calling Swifton a moron for organizing such a large scale mess and actually beating the dragon along with getting a large amount of flags taken care of is just wrong. Run your own fucking raid next time is all I can say to that.

Ibudin

Some servers have open raids, and now have elementally flagged retards. Imagine that.

I love the retard jokes some of you posting, very ironic.

Very good job my friend. Grats all that got flags.

/pwned NAG bitchfisters.

Blazemore

Grats on the flags

FU56 them in their pasty white arses swifton, you did great.

You fu56 the goat, make them hold the horns.

Cheers

Lists give me wood.

1) Yes I'm playing again, only under more controlled circumstances now that I have a job again. You'll have to donate 10k to the "pay Elanif back the 40k I 'borrowed'" fund though to get my name.

2) Sorry Swifton, didn't realize you were the one running it. I asked Kiadenn if he was running it, he said, "Yes" and despite 4 tells asking if he could arrange for an invite so I could hail the projection quick, I never recieved even a "Piss off" type tell.

A 'guildmate' of mine who was on the raid finally manged to get his group to give him leadership so he could invite me. Thanks again Milagro.

3) I appreciate that I don't have to take out the trash where I now work, but that doesn't mean Kenny isn't a fucking moron.

4) Yes, I have led raids before, on both large and small scale, all but two of which have been successful. Thx next.

"pay Elanif back the 40k I 'borrowed"

remind him of when he transfered :P

Btw, your second Fungi is now on the paladin twink I made for my brother.

You need to stop buying those things.

Grummus and AD are zerg kills. They can kinda easily be done with people that dont know eachother and just hack the hell out of the mob.
However, before you even try, I personally am convinced that against MB or Terris Thule, you'll cry bitterly trying to setup the raid. Terris Thule may work at the end if you bring like 80 people. Them butterflies can't kill you all so fast. Still I am not sure it'll work.

But MB will make you pull your hair and cry in a corner I bet.
You can take him down, but then you also need the flags and everything. I would for no money in the world lead an open MB raid. Never. *shudder*

well kardain was indeed in charge of the otm calls and the strat and such and he did an outstanding job) He probably just lost you in tell hell man. we were all juggling tells like mad men all throughout the raid)

"Btw, your second Fungi is now on the paladin twink I made for my brother."

jeesus, everytime i buy a fungi, a paladin is made ... its disgusting!

I need another for my monk twink btw. Get to it.

just get elanif's

I already have his 40k. 8/

Wow, Swifton. Brave. Count me in for next MB wipe - or, hopefully, not wipe.

zehn i think we gave him more then 40k when he transfered =/

Gokuu: "We?" Die. :/

Grummus, AD are pretty easy, but aren't exactly zerg fights heh. You do have to worry about more then hitting attack, but if you managed to zerg them, grats.

Behemoth is a little bit harder, but it's worth watching people initially trying to get their flags and get wasted by a 4k ae.

i believe i remember when fazin sent me a tell "btw, do you have any dropable paladin twink gear?"

MB = Ninja Looters Hell. /grin

Once again: Glad to see that things haven't changed!!

Trilkin...you're a retard, AIM me sometime.

Actually the part I am struggling with on an open MB raid is not the killing part. Hes a bit complicated sure but folks tend to focus when they want something.

the REAL problem is after he dies. You do wind up with some folks who just totally abandon the discipline as soon as there is hailing to be done and the CR could turn out to be more dangerous than MB himself if folks dont continue to pay attention.

once those spiders are let go its a 4k ae Every time one goes in the room.

Basically the problem is I have yet to privately find enough peeps to do what i call Tard proofing the raid)

I'm working on it though heh)

i have to admit nice job swifton .. ..

You can get enough tards in tactics easy now, and hell some have made 5k a pop at putting em there ; )

You can get enough tards in tactics easy now, and hell some have made 5k a pop at putting em there ; ) You must be proud of yourself :x

Hey Zehn,
Why dont you shut the fuck up.

Number 1. Do not be insulting tenenbaum because i was playing him for the raid.

Number 2. If you have ever tried to lead an open raid you will know that there are so many tells from people who either have no clue what they are doing or are lvl 50 and would like to tag along. When I was leading Mbehemoth raid we did fail. Since it was an open raid some of the people have not raided as much as I would of liked and have not done Behemoth. Following instructions was a problem because the groups were scattered and there was some mis-directing done On my part.
For an Open Raid I thought it was a good attempt for a bunch of people who had not done him before. I dont know where you think you can come in and call me a moron. I have seen you reply on the boards for quite some time.
You shouldn't take this Computer Game we are playing to such a serious extent. You commented on how AD was bullshit and leader was a moron. For your information, Swifton has led a Successful Aerin'Dar Raid and Grummus.We also had attempted Ryydda Dar and got her down to about 13 %. In my opinion thats a hell of a good job, Congratulations Swifton.

So again, Zehn Why dont you go shut the fuck up and go back to being a piece of shit. Tenenbaum has not put me up to this, no need to be angry at him.

Sinis The Rogue
65 rogue
Ayonae Ro

Someone's cranky!

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Heed thy own advice young padawan.

Hello Felllow Norrathions!!!

I am a beastlord and not a Norrathion, i hail from the moon. Behemoth seems an interesting foe. Although i did not get to engage!

No, it wasn't me who played Tenenbaum, yes it was sinis! i wish i got that damn flag cus ive been trying to get it forever.

Zehn, i dont know you and hate to talk trash, but NOT cool to call me a moron. First off, Sinis did a great job from what i heard, and i don't know if you would consider yourself in the right place to call people who lead open raids morons.....like i said, i dont know you. But i would love to see you lead an open raid to Behemoth and be successful. I dont mean to come off mean there, but it would be cool to see it happen so i could find your moron comment right and then you could be Mr. Almighty!

I just dont understand why you have to insult people who take there own time to let other people try and have fun. It's just a game anyways, no need to go NAMECALLING!!!!

8o

I would also like to say Swifton kicks ass at leading open-raids and thank you for half of my damn flags =P. You do a great job at that. And to Kadainn for leadin some too =) Uber job!

Sincerely!,

Tenenbaum

Roleplaying 4 life?

Tenenbaum

Roleplaying 4 life?:rollin
That's what I call a real RPing name!! :lol

Ah man... Thanks for that morning laugh. /wipes a tear

If it's any consolation, Dalenn leads organized reet raids, and he's a moron too. 8(

you have no idea zehn...

you have noooooo idea...

If they don't have a clue on how to beat the boss to get into the zone, why do you think they belong there?

THank U's for all0wingz0r me int0s a zon3 that I kan Trane!!

The game was more fun when the exe trial was keeping most of the retards out of the decent xp zones.

This post left blank because im not allowed to flame lowbies in low tier guilds calling others retards.

god talk about nerd talk, im more uber then you beause i spent most of my life on the computer leveling up and getting uber items in my uber guild so i can talk you down like your some piece of shit because its the only thing i have to do

geez

shutup and get a life

flaming people because they are "lower level" "non uber" is stupid and just makes you more of a nerd because you think you are above everyone who hasn't spent 100+days playing

I'm sure the bigger guilds would be up in arms if they decided to open up Sol Ro Tower and the 4 planar zones eh?

They advertised PoP as high end content. Call me a prick or elitist or whatever, but if you were in a zone, you earned the right to be there.

Just one of the many ways SOE has changed this game. It's only a matter of time before they offer a service to level the characters for you.

Leading an open raid isn't the easiest thing to do by any means. I've lead a few tower raids in BoT myself. And my personal method is if you want to invite someone, you clear it with me first. I make sure everyone knows that before they do anything. Same thing with loot rules, make those clear before stuff drops. And I repeat directions in raid chat all the time, generally once every 5 or 10min or so. Doesn't matter wether or not i've already said it 50 times, i'll say it again. If raid say doesn't work, I give direct tells. You'd be suprised how much easier it is when you lay down what needs to happen and not happen constantly, so that there is zero confusion and zero reason for people to say they didn't see directions. All my raids have been successful to date, with one or 2 having been wipes but then heading back in for the kill. My best advice aside from constantly giving directions in raid say is to take it easy. Don't get stressed cause it isn't worth you effort. And if you think someone is screwing up, tell them. If they keep doing it, boot them. That gets the message across real fast.

Not only is Dalenn a moron, he's also fired :(

Excuse me Dartaignon? Up until now I have mostly ignored your posts in the past due to their negetive content and such out of courtesy to you. You are indeed entitled to your own opinion and may express it any way you wish.

However, I do not wish to see you discredit the high end guilds on our server with your comments. You do them a great dis-service.

I have recieved alot of support and encouragement from ALL the high end guilds on the server for these open raids. They have all been fantastic with their offers of assistance and advice)

They appreciate the time and effort this takes and often join themselves in the hopes of winning flags they are missing or simply because they wish to help us succeed.


In this I include your own guild which has been very helpfull and conciderate of our endeavors.

These folks deserve our respect and gratitude for their generosity and participation. Please do not speak for them.

I would just like to point out that these mobs will not fall to a force uncapable of taking them down. Personally I find it to be more difficult to do these mobs in an open raid because in such an enviroment one must be even more adaptable, patient, and alert in order to work efficiently with people you do not know.

An open raid is far from being a free ride for what you call tards.

They do indeed show more game content to folks who may not otherwise see it and also save the higher end guilds from having to do some backflagging.

In this Everyone wins. I find it a task well worth the doing)

Wow man i think youd best be careful who your talking about there dart.

I've been to these raids and have seen members of EW IVM CB SOT LS FD VA and many others in the raid as well.

Might want to consider who your calling a tard. From the looks of your cham I dont think you yourself is elementally flagged yet and these folks are not going to take kindly to you knocking something they support.

Hell Im just glad Swift (cb) ,Kadainn(ls) ,Wandil (ivm) and all those people who run the class chats have been leading them) Thanks Guys!!

Grats on the AD kill, Swift :)


Leafy

dart, you bought bosillo, wtf are you talking about "Service to level people", you already used that service, it just wasn't offered by sony. Don't even bother saying you didn't because my RL friend had bosillo when he was lvl 53. I remember because I logged it in myself

Leading an open raid isn't the easiest thing to do by any means...I give direct tells.

Man this explains a lot...

Brel tells you, 'Malos the mob'
Brel tells you, 'Slow this'
Brel tells you, 'Debuff this with malos'
Brel tells you, 'Slow this one'
Brel tells you, 'inc, be sure to malo and slow it'
Brel tells you, 'Bih 'li and avatar'
Brel tells you, '2100 atk, inc debuff and slow'
Brel tells you, 'heal people when they take damage'
Brel tells you, 'if you have extra mana, nuke'
Brel tells raid, 'Ok, when we pull this guy, the clerics should heal me, silu will try to slow him, and the monks/rangers and rogues should be attacking, if I die camp a cleric'

this is an average day in the towers with brel..

So what mobs did you already manage to kill? I know of AD.. and I am curious.

RD too.
(some "grats" post in General iirc)

Grummus also. The failed attempt at Behemoth was largely a different group with different leadership.

SO basically all Hack'n'slash mobs.
Thats what I expected. Its simply easier to deal 1 million dmg just like that instead of dealing 100k dmg when it requires great teamwork and tactics and everyone to follow instructions perfectly.

This is no bashing. I have respect from the guys that organise those raids, it must behell, but success gives them right. its just a general feeling that MB, TT, Agnarr, Carprin and such will not work at all unless you have a perfectly skilled team there that knows their jobs very well.

You simply can't replace a working guild of 40 people with 80 people that dunno eachother.
However, good luck, it would be great if you succeed. We're still looking for new applicants of (almost) all classes, but they need flags :)

What happened to the days when you said raiding in this game required no skill?

I guess reality changes with your perspective eh?

lol Taino ANY mob can be done Open Raided. If you could get it set up quick enough. the problem with the mobs you mention and a few others I have been looking into is the amount of time they take to set up.

By the time im ready most of the folks who agreed to go ahead of time will probably already be flagged by their own guilds and ringers are always a must)

I am currently trying Carprin and Bertoxx because if we can get it all done for them we will atempt the others. I can't imagine any of them being more difficult to set up and do than carp and bert is.

and dont even mention RZ. Thats one mob I wouldn't even pretend to try.lol)

These guys take alot of time to set up so that we can overcome the not knowing each other hurdle before we start swinging. We failed our first attempt at RD and many who were there took what they learned and used it for the second including myself.

RD took 6 weeks to figure out how to arrange, set up and kill. He is far from being a simple zerg kill.

You need a raid leader to take up your slack and lean on heavily when the chaos begins, a class leader for each class who really knows what they are doing and they all need to run their own chats.

Not only do these folks need to be damn good but you don't even know who they are till raid time. all you can do is make an enormous list of prospects and hope you get one of them to agree to help) if you dont get one of your choices you ask for volunteers and hope for the best lol.

You then need to give them folks lots of time and leeway to do their jobs. They explain and teach their class at the raid what to do in more detail and patiently answer any questions, instill confidence, and help maintain focus during the kill.

once you get all this you need to spend alot of time talking to people of different guilds to find a time in which you dont think but Know you can get the class's levels and skilled folks you need. I call it getting the basics.

After the basics you get the ringers..veteran fighters who you know and trust not to panic.

you also need to learn how these guilds are used to taking down a mob so you will be able to tell them what Not to do if it does not fit in with your strategy.

Finding the right strat that does not totally alienate the least amount of folks fighting style was a nightmare lol

After you get it all worked out you then need to talk to alot of folks from different guilds and run what you have past them and make changes according to what they tell you. most of the time you wind up with something totally different from what you spent countless hours figuring out ahead of time.

I appreciate the credit I have been recieving for these raids but trust me. The list of people who are responsible for their success is amazingly long and if it was just me doing it all we would never have taken down Grummus let alone RD.

Every high end guild on our server contains folks who have been an enormous source of encouragment , support , and/or actual participation) up to and including you Taino and I am very thankfull for all the help I can get lol)

I have never once been given the cold shoulder with a question or a request which is a testament to the quality of people we have on our server. lol And I have bothered almost all of you at one time or another setting these things up)

we really aught to start throwing away the idea that open raids are 100 tards running to kill a mob because it simply is not so. Not if you put the time in before shouting it isnt)

I always say the easy part begins when you start shouting to begin the raid LOL.)

What happened to the days when you said raiding in this game required no skill?
I don't believe I ever pretended that raiding doesn't take skill. What I said and still believe is that zerging mobs down with an insane number of people takes no skill. Doing Agnarr with 80 ppl isn't really a biggie. Try it with 36 people with NToV/lower PoP gear and one warrior and kill him flawless, then you have skill. /own-horntooting-mode off
Failing Agnarr with 4 warriors and 48 people 2 weeks later takes much more skill even /cry

Swifton:
I agree with you, its not easy. But at the very end you do one thing with mobs like AD, Grummus, Rydda. You hack them down. You do as much DPS as possible in as short time as possible. We try Rydda with 40-50 people. This is very hard and we need to define our tactics to the last detail in order to make it. But if you throw 80+ people at Rydda (I don't know how many you had and I don't talk about you, I talk about the fight in general) then you simply hack'n'slash them and make sure you got a cleric left to rezz afterwards.
This is much easier then other mobs.
Those "other mobs" are mobs that require you to focus on more then one target. TT is rather easy once figured out. but you get fully dispelled, 24 easy and 4 hard adds. Each of them WILL eat up your raid if you are not ready and experienced. Same goes for carprin cycle, especially on the second mob. As soon as someone dies out of whatever reason you get adds, and then its already over.
Did you already pass the other HoH Trials? They are also some kind of "Event" and not just a mob you hack down.

My point is.... and this has nothing to do with you...
It is rather easy (in comparison) to "hack'n'slash" a mob to death with a huge amount of people that don't know eachother and are not used of being a team. But it is muliple times harder to kill a mob that requires adds handling, stopping the attack, exact positioning, different tactics depending on the mobs Health, that requires to not let spiders in a room and you need people in all 4 corners and and and...

For my guild Rydda Dar is a much much harder mob then TT, Grummus, AD, Agnarr, Carprin ever were. Why? Because we are not a "huge DPS in short time" Guild. We are a "optimal tactics and best possible execution with the leasrt possible people" Guild. And this fact is making Rydda so damn hard for us.
I dare to say that for you TT, Agnarr, Carprin and such will be much harder.

However, as I said.. good luck. I think its a great thing you pull through here and I personall would not be able to mentally stick through a raid with 80 complete strangers. Holy hell have you ever tried organising Carprin already or Agnarr with em? God I'd completely freak out. So therefore.. /kudos :)

You make a good point Taino. I did grummus Aerin Dar and Rydda dar first because to an open raid they are indeed easier than say MB carp bert mm saryn and aggy.

That and I needed the flags too) The only one I had tried before was rydda and we got mashed)

If we can get carprin off the ground and it goes well ill try bert next. I figure if we can do those two then the rest will follow. Carprin and Bert Will be a true test. We get them and ..we can take over the World!...err I mean we can try the others...And take over the World!) lol

couldn t reasist since you are flaming a guy that do a great job so ..

The game was more fun when the exe trial was keeping most of the retards out of the decent xp zones

So it was like when you were stil exping in the pojustice or mainden cuz you weren t able to done this aswell ? if i remember right there is 4 guild in PoValor / Storm ( EW-IVM-LS-CB ) til SoE decide to make the trial easier and you weren t in one of those, so yeah the game was much more fun when trial was keeping away retards like you.

guess you deserved this one

Ghaz where the heck you been?

I've come to the conclusion the only thing needed with a open raid is a) good leadership b) people who know what to do to tell the leadership (this can be the leadership) and c) the right classes/numbers.

Guess what. That's what makes a guild able to do anything, not knowing eachother.

I dare to completely disagree with you Liper.
Its not possible to tell 80 people exactly what they have to do. Else you have to tell every single person exactly what they must do. "First stand here, then stand there, cast this when this happens and if that happens do this and then do that and run here, then cast this spell on that person and then when the mob is here do this, but if the mob is there do that"...
Besides this, if you have 80 people that don't know eachother, you can be 100% sure that many of those people will simply NOT understand what they have to do, they will do something different, they will not act 100% right, they will fuck up, some people play better, some worse...
if you don't have a team that knows eachother, it complicated things like mad.

As said, Rydda, AD, Grummus is possible.. other mobs in PoP like TT, Agnarr, Berto are multiple times harder for a pick up raid.

It's the dumbass factor that guilds help with. some weed out the dumbasses, others take that trash.

Exatly... and now tell me how high the probability is that you get some fucking dumbasses on a pick up raid ;)

Probably about as high as me linking a random BoT tower item and saying it's rooting in bazaar channel and getting 13k tells asking if it's too late to loot.

The hardest part about any pick up raid is getting people to listen and understand.

And at the last pickup raid that swifton hosted i showed up to, A good 3/4's of the people were applicants/members of some of the bigger guilds trying to get backflags.

I'd be willing to bet that the major reason any pickup raid would fail is not because of dumbasses or organization, it's that these people are all using windblades and running around in NToV gear.

For fucks sake Zehn...

Shut up you 20 year old virgin fat faced faggot.

That may be Zehn, but we both know exactly how easily 1 prick can fuck up a raid if he messes up and runs around or whatever.

So it was like when you were stil exping in the pojustice or mainden cuz you weren t able to done this aswell

When I started messing around in PoD/PoN, I didn't think the xp could get any better.

Maidens Eye made for some damn fine xp charm soloing, but I preferred the grey. You can damn near clean the entire zone with a hasted shimmering rockfiend.

I PoV flagged both of my characters with guildmates. It was very tight, but we managed to make it through. I zoned into PoV at 7pm est and saw 17 people in the zone. Very swank.

I spend the time with guildmates to get my monk flagged for tier 2. Then flag both characters for BoT. PoStorm xp kinda sucked grouping but was the bomb soloing if you could get frogs.

The point is, I feel they didn't earn their way to use the zones. If someone was in PoV or BoT, either they had the equipment and mana to successfully group in these zones, or had some friends push them through.

I have participated in at least 30+ successful trial runs between my 2 characters. If they did nerf the exe trial, then it shouldn't be so bad to force people to get these flags to access the zones, or offer alternate entry.

SOE never gives anything away for free unless it is hurting them. They could give 2 shits about the customer base.

Dart are you Bosillo also?

Every time I read a post by Dart it shows what an Ass Hole you are on these boards, you always have been and always will be. You are the man, the best, no one is better then you, are they? I laugh at your arrogance!!!! People like you I have ZERO respect for, as I am sure a lot of other people feel the same way as I do toward you. You can be the best player in the game, I have no idea on it (Probably Not) but what fucks you up is your stupid ass attitude. Get over yourself, becuase you are definately not all that you think that you are.

By the way, passing the trials is no big feat, so don't pat yourself on the back to much.

Just because someone isn't in a high end guild, does that make them a noob? There are a lot of reasons why people don't get into guilds or better yet, high end guilds. Being a newb isn't one of the reasons. Also, there are people in high end guilds that are not very good players, are they noobs? Nope, just shit players.

If you are Bosillo, you are an ass hole in the game too.

By the way fat pimplie kid, get outside once in a while and see other things in the world, it might make you realize that there are a lot of things to do besides trying to prove to everyone that you are the best at a computer game. Oops, I shouldn't have said that. I might hurt your fragile ego.

Swifton, I see your /shouts in BoT all the time for raids and if I had time I would join you any day. You my friend seem to know not only the game, but what it is like to be a good person. You have my respect and if I can help out anytime with either my shaman or my bard I will.

Lopp Syded 65 shaman guildless and has been for 2+ years. Born June 6, 1999