http://www.abcnews.go.com/Blotter/story?id=6201900&page=1

Good to see Obama's experience is paying off. Here's he's bringing in someone responsible for the Freddie Mac situation.

/applaud we get what we deserve and we deserved more of the same.

Change Change Change...errrr noChange NoChange noChange!!

Well, at least he won't be in charge of any money.....

Your right... maybe he should have picked someone who had 0 experience instead!

Ha..

emanuel was not named in the sec complaint


the spokesperson said that while on the board, emanuel "believed that freddie mac needed to address concerns raised by congressional critics."


the report also said board members appointed by the president, such as emanuel, serve terms that are far too short "for them to play a meaningful role on the board."


as a congressman, emanuel recused himself from any votes dealing with freddie mac until just this year.

Don't worry yourself too much just yet. He was a lame duck appointee to the board and was only on the board for around 6 months to a year. It is fairly likely that the types of things that were happening were hid from him, especially since he was a Presidential appointee. Now that all the chips are falling and the blame is being thrown around, no one has said he had anything to do with the incident.

This is about as big of a non-story as him failing to disclose his family charity last year. Sure, he should have mentioned that he's an officer in the charity, as members of Congress need to report their roles in not for profit organizations ... but when you look at the fact that the charity has members that are only his family and they don't take any donations outside of their family, well its kinda a non issue.

He's pretty famous for a very strong style of leadership and getting shit done fast, which is obviously pretty important given the problems Obama is inheriting. Before you judge too much, lets see what the man does. I'm gonna go out and buy his book (The Plan: Big Ideas for America) and see what we're in store for.

Ha..

I like where you quoted what supported yourl lil "ha" and then neglected to link...

but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read (http://abcnews.com/images/Blotter/specialreport122003.pdf)) of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention


Which directly followed the first line in your quote. But you left out to glean what you wanted out of the article. Interesting tactic there. Especially since you hopped over it to get the rest of the info you wanted.

Look maybe the guy is clean and maybe the guy can get things done. But you left leaning folks would have hung Bush out to dry for such shit. Just shows folks like Rover are as willingly blind about his horse in the race as I was about mine.

I like where you quoted what supported yourl lil "ha" and then neglected to link...

but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read (http://abcnews.com/images/Blotter/specialreport122003.pdf)) of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention


Which directly followed the first line in your quote. But you left out to glean what you wanted out of the article. Interesting tactic there. Especially since you hopped over it to get the rest of the info you wanted.

Look maybe the guy is clean and maybe the guy can get things done. But you left leaning folks would have hung Bush out to dry for such shit. Just shows folks like Rover are as willingly blind about his horse in the race as I was about mine.


Oh, I thought your post was looking specifically at Emanuel, but if it's about the whole board then of course. Blind, I'm not blind I'm certainly going to give things a chance instead of blaming people for things they havent done wrong yet. Dude, Sarah Palin is still viable, you'll get your chance to vote in a moron again.

When they attack a country that hasn't attacked us and posed no threat to us I will certainly question them.

When they give out no-bid contracts to the companies they used to run and have an obvious vested interest in I will question them.

When they piss on the constitution and remove the inalienable rights we were afforded as Americans I will question them.

When they refuse to admit a mistake that costs the lives of over 4000 of Americas best I will question them.

When they refuse to pass a bailout bill until the corporations that they are paid by get a payoff I will question them

There's more but I'm busy at work...I'll post later if you need me to clarify it.

Anyone who tries to pin the economic meltdown on Freddy or Fannie doesn't even begin to understand enough about what happened to point fingers in the first place.

Anyone who tries to pin the economic meltdown on Freddy or Fannie doesn't even begin to understand enough about what happened to point fingers in the first place.

Are you saying that laying blame on a symbol that had as much to do with it as the amount of nitrogen in miracle-gro is not good...oh man...where's your head at :devil

I like where you quoted what supported yourl lil "ha" and then neglected to link...

but the entire board was later accused by the Office of Federal Housing Enterprise Oversight (OFHEO) (click here to read (http://abcnews.com/images/Blotter/specialreport122003.pdf)) of having "failed in its duty to follow up on matters brought to its attention


Which directly followed the first line in your quote. But you left out to glean what you wanted out of the article. Interesting tactic there. Especially since you hopped over it to get the rest of the info you wanted.

Look maybe the guy is clean and maybe the guy can get things done. But you left leaning folks would have hung Bush out to dry for such shit. Just shows folks like Rover are as willingly blind about his horse in the race as I was about mine.


Well, reading your article, the man was on the board no more than 13 months, resigning in May 2001. And, there is no way to prove one way or the other short of disclosure of a paper trail whether he did or did not recommend pursuing some of the problems that were brought to light during his time there.

This is little more than the same thing Fox and MSNBC are doing now, which is grasping for something to pick at in the absence of anything concrete being available until the man is inaugurated and actually starts pursuing an agenda. The campaign is over and the votes counted. Let's take a breather from the partisan bullshit for a bit, please.

But he was still involved in some bad decisions made by a company gone bad. A company that was very much in the public eye as being covered in muck and the shit of bad management.

So not matter how short the time you'd think a man looking to make very visible changes would pick someone not besmirched by such.

Sorry, it's just proof of more of the same we've had. That pedestal ya'll built up higher than the tower of Babylon for Obama to stand on merely means he needs to reach to a higher standard. Not make excuses for him because he's Obama....The Obamanator!! errrr

You don't have to be told that neither Bylimet nor myself have put Obama on any pedestal.

Resorting to hyperbole this soon is going to be tiring. Pace yourself. He'll legitimately screw up soon enough, but this isn't it.

You don't have to be told that neither Bylimet nor myself have put Obama on any pedestal.

Resorting to hyperbole this soon is going to be tiring. Pace yourself. He'll legitimately screw up soon enough, but this isn't it.

I'm not resorting to hyperbole bub, truth is he's sold himself as a great agent of change and of the people and he put in charge of an important position a man who's a bit sullied.

You trying to tell me there wasn't someone better than this guy? Sick part is I want Obama to be everything he's painted out to be. I want him to be the second coming of my fav Pres Ronnie , as he's being called by some, and reignite this country's potential. Even if I didn't vote for him I'll support him as I have all our Presidents and really hope for his future.

That being said if he's going to make boneheaded calls like this I'm feeling it needs to be said now and perhaps he can fix this instead of later when more mistakes are made.

Rahm is the shit. He kicked ass under Clinton, as the head of the DCCC, and will be a fantastic chief of staff.

Well, not that my opinion matters in the big movers and shakers world of DC , I'm willing to hope he can rise above bad past management positions.

However I do so with a "told ya so" already loaded if this guy turns out to be nothing more than more bad mojo.

Fandros, I really think you are just looking for something negative at this point. The vast number of great things Congressman Emanuel has done compared to this one negative isn't hardly a 1:1 comparison with the numerous ways we've been fucked over the past 8 years compared to the Bush positives. Read the guys book, get to know him, or at least give him 1 day in the office you are looking to crucify him in.

Hey, ya'll nominated him as the great agent of change.

He's under a microscope and his first move was and will be watched with great interest.

Sorry, had to put up with the bullshit the last 8 years of ya'll nitpicking everything to death. Welcome to reap what you have sewn now. It'll suck and you'll just have to bear it.

I don't want to hear such bs as oooo give him time. Ya'll didn't and rightly so.

:confused::confused::confused::confused:

So we are to rate him solely on his service of 13 months on a board where the report that you use clearly states:

emanuel was not named in the sec complaint


the spokesperson said that while on the board, emanuel "believed that freddie mac needed to address concerns raised by congressional critics."


the report also said board members appointed by the president, such as emanuel, serve terms that are far too short "for them to play a meaningful role on the board."


as a congressman, emanuel recused himself from any votes dealing with freddie mac until just this year.

So never named in the complaint, believed that Freddie Mac needed to address the concerns, term was too short to play a meaningful role, recused himself from votes concerning Freddie Mac.

Oh yeah, I see the corruption very clearly here:rolleyes:

Sorry, had to put up with the bullshit the last 8 years of ya'll nitpicking everything to death. Welcome to reap what you have sewn now. It'll suck and you'll just have to bear it.

So it's vindictive reasoning that you are doing this and not based in any real concern?

Absolutely it's based on real concern. I don't think the Obama that's been stumping for the last 2 years is the Obama of reality. I am still very concerned about his voting record and some of his personal choices.

I just plan on following ya'lls very easy to follow marching orders from the past.

Ahhh and you still pulled those quotes out of order. That's okay, you do as you need to.

What in particular concerns do you have about his voting record? Order the quotes how you want to, they still say the same thing.

This is the problem with members of Congress.

They have such an extensive voting record that can be easily mis-represented or over-emphasized.

A simple vote on an appropriations bill can become a huge ordeal. One little section of the legislation, carefully twisted, can be made to sound very damning.

HOLY SHIT YOU VOTED TO RAISE TAXES 96 TIMES!

Well, yeah. No. Even a cursory knowledge of the US Congress allows you to see through this.


He is a good congressman, and will be a good chief of staff. He is experienced, and has a good rapport with Obama which is crucial for someone who is basically going to be your handler for the next 2 years (Hi Illinois Senate seat!).

I say, since he's not in charge of any finances, let him get into the position, and see how it goes. As Chief of Staff, he won't have control of anything financial, so I don't see the big deal.

*tin foil hat on*
Hopefully, he's not the face of the people behind the scenes that want Obama to legislate their way, now that they got him into office.

Well Ainwein if they would cut to the chase and make the bills clean and uncluttered with unrelated bullshit it would be easier to judge a person by their votes.

Instead, and you supported this earlier, that's the way of business in Washington and if we want anything done we have to continue on with business as usual.

Way I see it, the way things are done now only serve as a scapegoat and always allow the voter a backdoor to say "but but you don't understand how I voted, I voted as I did to get a deal on another bill we need!"

What in particular concerns do you have about his voting record? Order the quotes how you want to, they still say the same thing.

Not when you leave out data in between your poorly chosen words that say the entire crew were to blame for not dealing with the information given to them.

N/m Rover I can see the tilt of your shield on this one, not worth trying to discuss this with you.

Not when you leave out data in between your poorly chosen words that say the entire crew were to blame for not dealing with the information given to them.

N/m Rover I can see the tilt of your shield on this one, not worth trying to discuss this with you.


You posted about a specific person, I highlighted where that person was addressed in the article. I didn't choose those words the article did. So in a blanket sort of way the article said that the board as a whole did not do its job correctly but also pointed out that while a member of the board Emanual in fact DID do his job:

while on the board, emanuel "believed that freddie mac needed to address concerns raised by congressional critics."

Also note the following from the article:

as a congressman, emanuel recused himself from any votes dealing with freddie mac

So as a congressman he did what many have not done and he, by his actions, clearly disengaged himself from any potential conflict of interest which kind of gives him a bit of an advantage on the ethics thing and you find this more of the same? Doesn't make sense.

In all honesty, considering the duties of the Chief of Staff, I don't see how any of this discussion relates to his carrying out those duties.

But, apparently we are going to be treated for the next 75 days to arm chair quarterbacking of the irrelevant sort, so I expect none of the decisions made during the transition will go without criticism. /shrug

Nitpicking the last 8 years of Bush??:confused:
The guy let an American city drown for nearly a week, before doing a damn thing.
He took us to war with a country that wasn't a direct threat with us, through lies and falsehoods over some imaginary nuclear bombs. Its been what, over 5 years now? we lost nearly 5 thousand of our troops and God only knows how many thousands of Iraqi's killed. Not to mention losing 10s of billions of dollars a month, that our country could really use right now.

Don't even get me started over his shitting on the constitution, patriot act and NSA wiretapping BS. Or sullying this country's image and honor through Torture.

Environmental issues, the Economic meltdown. Everything this guy touches turns to shit. I'm having a real hard time trying to find anything positive he's contributed. Cause his negatives far outweigh any positives if there are any.

If all that's just nitpicking, what the hell would be considered non nitpicking? using a Nuke and blowing ourselves up? we still got about 2 months left for him to manage that.


There is no way that Obama could ever reach the kind of bottom that bush has reached (not to say that obama wont make mistakes, all presidents do even the best of em. I just dont believe they will be in the same league or as monumental as bush acheieved). I dont believe Mccain would have either, had he become president. To bad he picked a total idiot as a VP, he might have won.

What in particular concerns do you have about his voting record? Order the quotes how you want to, they still say the same thing.


He was hardly there long enough to *have* a voting record....

He was hardly there long enough to *have* a voting record....


Then why a concern about a voting record that apparently doesn't exist?

Then why a concern about a voting record that apparently doesn't exist?


Is not having a voting record a plus for running the country?
I don't have a voting record in the Senate at all.... am I more qualified in this instance?

well, then what about all of the recent presidents that don't have a voting record?

Well what about them? Give me an example of all these recent presidents that have no record of voting?

Reagan, Bush, Clinton, and Bush3 had no voting records.

Every President since the 70s as Malse has pointed out.

governors don't vote? Such as veto or sign legislation? Maybe I should have said Obama has very little in the way of political history to point too imo...

In all seriousness and non venomous tone, Obama basically the guy who was elected president with the distiction of a very short and un-impressive political trail... or at least that is the way I see it.

If he has done something impressive prior to now I don't know about it.

Fandros.

Are you even aware of the job a chief of staff has?

He needs to be an asskicker. He does not make policy, or write laws. He sees the will of the President done. He is in charge of the day to day operations of the White House, an entire branch of government.

You ever hear the saying "Talk softly but carry a big stick"... Rahm is the big stick.

You want legislation passed, then you need a man like Rahm to kick asses when applicable. And believe me, most of the asses that Rahm will kick will be Democratic ones. Itll be good cop/bad cop with Biden as the good cop, but Rahm as the psycho "ill crush your balls a vise" Cop. Itll be Biden in the offices of McCain or Susan Collins or Lindsey Graham.

I fucking love Rahm... this was a dude that went down a list of democrats that went rogue, ticking off their names in the middle of DC steakhouse, slamming his knife into the table with each mention and shouting "DEAD!"

Im sure you DONT like Rahm. Because it pretty much promises that this wont be a weak White House, bogged down being mealy mouthed Jimmy Carter pussies, but a driven, effective and formidable group that will get shit done.

And having Rahm as the dude that shows up at your Door when you, as a Democratic Representative or Senator, don't work the the way the President wants, is a frightening proposition. And this guarantees that the Obama White House will be more bi-partisan and work to the middle...
The Democrats are not going to rebel or stage an uprising or try to force Obama to pass legislation or be crazy left wing liberal the way they did to Clinton in the early going. This will allow Obama to go to the middle with full Democratic support.

I fucking love Rahm... this was a dude that went down a list of democrats that went rogue, ticking off their names in the middle of DC steakhouse, slamming his knife into the table with each mention and shouting "DEAD!"


So he shouts and carries a knife??? ( opposite of softly and stick :) )

fail.

Obama speaks softly and uses Rahm as the stick.

LOL not only the pick of Rahm but also the speed with wich he did so was a clear message for both sides of the aisle. in essesence " if you think your gonna fuck with me and make yur little bitch. I dare you try".

Fandros.

Are you even aware of the job a chief of staff has?

He needs to be an asskicker. He does not make policy, or write laws. He sees the will of the President done. He is in charge of the day to day operations of the White House, an entire branch of government.

You ever hear the saying "Talk softly but carry a big stick"... Rahm is the big stick.

You want legislation passed, then you need a man like Rahm to kick asses when applicable. And believe me, most of the asses that Rahm will kick will be Democratic ones. Itll be good cop/bad cop with Biden as the good cop, but Rahm as the psycho "ill crush your balls a vise" Cop. Itll be Biden in the offices of McCain or Susan Collins or Lindsey Graham.

I fucking love Rahm... this was a dude that went down a list of democrats that went rogue, ticking off their names in the middle of DC steakhouse, slamming his knife into the table with each mention and shouting "DEAD!"

Im sure you DONT like Rahm. Because it pretty much promises that this wont be a weak White House, bogged down being mealy mouthed Jimmy Carter pussies, but a driven, effective and formidable group that will get shit done.

And having Rahm as the dude that shows up at your Door when you, as a Democratic Representative or Senator, don't work the the way the President wants, is a frightening proposition. And this guarantees that the Obama White House will be more bi-partisan and work to the middle...
The Democrats are not going to rebel or stage an uprising or try to force Obama to pass legislation or be crazy left wing liberal the way they did to Clinton in the early going. This will allow Obama to go to the middle with full Democratic support.


Oh stuff it Zippy the self important assuredness of why I wouldn't like him is sad. I don't want a return to bully politics, it's bullshit as much as anything Bush's Rove did. Yet when done by Rahm you gladly say it's all good. Sad really.

Why would Obama need a Rahm when his party is in clear control of the whole shebang. Why? Because the party of Democrats is , without external force, as misdirected and lacking in focus as any single force in charge right?

Witness Congress...


Fuck it, hire Jack Bauer and go back to the Clinton days where the party heavies used the IRS , secret service and other govt tools to force people to vote against their constituents wishes and do as Clinton told them to.

Ah yes, the good old days...

/applaud

You are aware that Jack Bauer is a fictitious character much like Joe the Plumber or Sarah Palin.

I want a vBulletin plugin that makes people take a breathalizer before posting, and displays what you blew with your post.

I want a vBulletin plugin that makes people take a breathalizer before posting, and displays what you blew with your post.

Make it a good one, so we can tell what brand of Scotch Fanny purchases.

Why would Obama need a Rahm when his party is in clear control of the whole shebang. Why? Because the party of Democrats is , without external force, as misdirected and lacking in focus as any single force in charge right?

Witness Congress...Well said. If the Dems had a spine or decent organization, we wouldn't have been subjected to the willy nilly whims of Bush. Hopefully Obama will continue to read a strong leader with a plan, and kick a few Dems into order.

As someone on a religious right board posted, no one really wants to off the pres. If he goes, we have Biden, and down the line Pelosi, and that really IS scary.

I want a vBulletin plugin that makes people take a breathalizer before posting, and displays what you blew with your post.


Maybe it's just me but I can think of at least 5 things different to do or places I'd rather be when drinking and none of them involve posting on message boards.

Oh stuff it Zippy the self important assuredness of why I wouldn't like him is sad. I don't want a return to bully politics, it's bullshit as much as anything Bush's Rove did. Yet when done by Rahm you gladly say it's all good. Sad really.


You have no idea what you are talking about..... zippy.

You show me one President in the history of our country that got shit done by sitting around the campfire singing Kumbaya and asking people REALLY nicely to please work with them. Every single successful President has had a "Rahm"

And Its not hard to guess your motivation when you drop off some lame ass right wing talking point with barely a minutes worth of your own thought put into it.

I tell you what.. educate yourself..
Read a book (http://www.amazon.com/Team-Rivals-Political-Abraham-Lincoln/dp/0684824906)
Then come back with something more than faux backwoods gumption and your Uncle Jessie impersonation.

Anyway..

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You have no idea what you are talking about..... zippy.

Ya think? The book at all costs read that book and know that Doris has "no dog in the game" other than history.

non-story

yeah

Rover shame on your goofy ass.....

Of course I know Jack Bauer is fictional, sheeshhh...


Oh and L2, please teacher what is that old maxim about teachers?

Ahhh something akin to being unable to cut it so teach it?

I do read, I do study and hell L2 I've lived it. I do recall the bully tactics of the Clintons and I especially love how Obama kept this guy quiet during his 2 years of stumping and now reverts to type.

Now the fuckups in power are going to throw more money at bad ideals witness Pelosi and Reid just wanting to cut checks for GM and such.

If this is the powers that be for the next couple of years I suggest we go ahead and start figuring out how we , the middle class, are going to afford those taxes that are going to have to come to us.

And they will.....

Ahhh and San, son, I haven't had a drink in over 2 weeks ;P

Oh and L2, please teacher what is that old maxim about teachers?

Ahhh something akin to being unable to cut it so teach it?

You wouldn't last a day.
What is it you do thats so great?

I do read, I do study
Last 5 books you've read are?

and hell L2 I've lived it.
Oh bullshit.
Just because you've made a lifetime of stupid choices doesn't mean that you've had any wisdom imparted to you. You talk like someone who has listened to one too many Johnny Cash songs.
Lets put it this way.... you haven't been right about ANYTHING political for the last, at least, 5 years. Nothing. Yet you keep ramming your head against the same wall. I guess for some that's easier than admitting you are fundamentally wrong in your world view.



I do recall the bully tactics of the Clintons and I especially love how Obama kept this guy quiet during his 2 years of stumping and now reverts to type.
wow. Parrot Hannity much?
I get it. You NEED Obama to be these things. If only he would fail, or go to your worst expectations, then, maybe, you arent so very wrong. You can fall back to your comfortable web of ideological security and you don't have to examine the flaws in your philosophy.

Now the fuckups in power are going to throw more money at bad ideals witness Pelosi and Reid just wanting to cut checks for GM and such.
No. The fuck ups leave power on Jan 20th.
http://www.cbsnews.com/video/watch/?id=4586892n
1:30 in the morning. After winning the election, stone sober, still with ties on, still amazingly lucid, clear and exuding competence.

If this is the powers that be for the next couple of years I suggest we go ahead and start figuring out how we , the middle class, are going to afford those taxes that are going to have to come to us.

And they will.....
Nice Dogma.
You make an assertion based entirely on ideological bent, totally devoid of evidence or reason and expect not to be called out?

Now.. whats that list of the last 5 books you've read? There will be a quiz.

If this is the powers that be for the next couple of years I suggest we go ahead and start figuring out how we , the middle class, are going to afford those taxes that are going to have to come to us.

And they will.....


Well, shit. You honestly mean to tell me you never expected taxes to be how that debt Bush and company created with their tax cuts for the wealthy on top of conducting two wars was going to be paid?

'You talk like someone who has listened to one too many Johnny Cash songs.'

- Early one morning while making my rounds, I took a shot of cocaine and shot my woman down, I went right home and I went to bed, and I put that lovin' .44 beneath my head... la la la

Oh sorry, don't mind me. I love that song. Though my other-half often gets somewhat nervous when I sing it at night. In bed. With a gun.

*cough* Anyway...

pssstt L2 , ya goof, I don't want Obama to fail. I really hope he's the new coming of Reagen.

Course you've only read about that in revisionist history books ruled a must read by your teachers/profs.

I don't read biographies, political books written by authors you already want to believe or revisionist history works by those needing the past to make us out to be perps.

I do however read papers as I can find them from links given here and a few other boards I frequent.

Ahhh and old dog, I never listen to Sean Hanity instead I was an adult during the Clinton years and yes the Clintons did employ bully tactics. I'm sure you don't recall it as such, at that time you were still open minded and not a party line guy, but it was pretty common discussion at the time Clinton was in power.