A recent poll has shown that Americans are more concerned about medical care (http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002237501) than they are about the possibility of another terrorist attack on their country.http://www.editorandpublisher.com/eandp/news/article_display.jsp?vnu_content_id=1002237501
This would go a long way toward explaining why President Bush's approval numbers are so low. Bush is focused on the war on terror; on protecting this country from the jihadist goals of Islam. Americans, being Americans, have noted that there has not been an attack on their country since 9/11, and therefore the threat of a terrorist attack is all but over and we're all safe. Now it's time for the government to do something to relieve them of the onerous responsibility of providing for your own medial care. After all, your health and your medical care is the responsibility of either your employer or the government, right? Because of this attitude socialized medicine is all but inevitable in this country, and you aren't going to like it even one little bit.
In the meantime ... we learned yesterday that congressional investigators successfully smuggled enough radioactive material into this country to make two dirty bombs (http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/28/AR2006032800774.html). http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2006/03/28/AR2006032800774.html
The material even set off radiation detectors at the border checkpoints, but got in. One border crossing was in Canada, the other in Mexico. Both crossings were chosen because there were radiation detectors there. In both cases the detectors went off. The "smugglers" were pulled aside and questioned. They showed forged import licenses from the Nuclear Regulatory Commission. The forgeries were copies of a document they found on the Internet. The forgeries worked, and they got through the border checkpoint.
Read that entire last paragraph again. This should be today's big story. Still feeling sleepy?
http://boortz.com

Americans are very concerned about healthcare COSTS, make sure you make that clear.

You see approx 70% of bankruptcy filings are due to healthcare costs.

The way you word that makes you as guilty as the republican running for congress that claims that Baghdad is a peaceful city and that it is the liberal media that is lying.

Score one dipshit point for your side!

The guy posts a picture on his website claiming he took it in Baghdad showing how wonderful and peaceful things are, only problem is that he got pegged, the photo is not of Baghdad.

Read about it here (http://www.talkingpointsmemo.com/)

That's how the Article worded it as well.
Gallup: Worries About Health Care Now Top Issue in U.S.

If you read on, it says A new Gallup Poll released Tuesday reveals that the issue cited by most Americans as the one they worry about the most is "the availability and affordability of healthcare."

Blame the editor that decided to cut out the word "Costs" in the headline.

This would go a long way toward explaining why President Bush's approval numbers are so low.

...or...the fact that he's a terrible leader. Iraq, whether it's the ebil liberal media or not, is percieved as a dismal failure by most at this point. Oh, and the healthcare thing.

After all, your health and your medical care is the responsibility of either your employer or the government, right?

Umm...no...but when it costs over $1000 a month (family coverage) for people in my company that bring home only $2500 a month (or less in some cases), I think there's a problem, don't you?

you aren't going to like it even one little bit.

Guess that depends on who "you" are. If your lower income, you probably have no coverage, so anything would be welcome. If your a Bush suppo.....sorry...a wealthy individual, you can afford to pay for the best medical help. So if "you" is all those in the middle, you may be right.

So off the medicine tihng...is your point that Bush isn't even doing a good job on the thing he is supposedly focusing on....national security...I'm not getting your point....or is it that Americans should be more concerned about national security than healthcare for their families?

...or...the fact that he's a terrible leader. Iraq, whether it's the ebil liberal media or not, is percieved as a dismal failure by most at this point. Oh, and the healthcare thing.

Well, perception is FAR stronger than reality, as we all know.


Umm...no...but when it costs over $1000 a month (family coverage) for people in my company that bring home only $2500 a month (or less in some cases), I think there's a problem, don't you?

Sure there's a problem. The question is who do you think should fix the problem?


Guess that depends on who "you" are. If your lower income, you probably have no coverage, so anything would be welcome. If your a Bush suppo.....sorry...a wealthy individual, you can afford to pay for the best medical help. So if "you" is all those in the middle, you may be right.

I might have been right about something? Perish the thought. Incidentally those Bush suppo...sorry...wealthy individuals pay the majority of the taxes in this country, so they are effected too, if the Government gets involved.

So off the medicine tihng...is your point that Bush isn't even doing a good job on the thing he is supposedly focusing on....national security...I'm not getting your point....or is it that Americans should be more concerned about national security than healthcare for their families?

So are you suggesting Islamic Fascists, the guys that want to kill all infidels, will give us better healthcare? The Islamo Facist proceedure for curing your infidelism is to saw your head off. The cost of healthcare on a headless corpse is $0, so I guess that would solve the problem.
Healthcare wouldn't matter if we are all "taken care of" under their "health care plan".

Well, perception is FAR stronger than reality, as we all know.

Aye, we can agree there.

The question is who do you think should fix the problem?

Great question!! Who has the power and motivation to fix it? When you start building a list it narrows pretty quickly...and the answer doesn't have to be socialized medicine. A good start is to stop providing free procedures to illegals...though that presents many ethical problems.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150750,00.html

Incidentally those Bush suppo...sorry...wealthy individuals pay the majority of the taxes in this country, so they are effected too, if the Government gets involved.

How exactly is their personal health care effected. Oh, you mean they might not be able to afford that third yacht or fourth house. j/k

So are you suggesting Islamic Fascists, the guys that want to kill all infidels, will give us better healthcare? The Islamo Facist proceedure for curing your infidelism is to saw your head off. The cost of healthcare on a headless corpse is $0, so I guess that would solve the problem.
Healthcare wouldn't matter if we are all "taken care of" under their "health care plan".

Wow, you didn't even make a tiny bit of sense there. What I'm asking is your point.

A. Bush sucks at National Security (i.e your border breach examples) or

B. Americans should be more concerned about terrorism in the US than health care for their families.

C. The inane ramblings of a Bush sheep about the sad state of people who hate Bush.

Probably B. more than anything else.
It's kinda hard to have a decent healthcare system when you are bowing to Mecca 5 times a day, or your head gets cut off.

Okay so your point is that Americans should be more concerned with terrorism in the states...that Bush is supposedly so good at protecting against than a health care system that's in a shambles. Got it.

So Bush is really doing a crap job of protecting us and we should be most concerned about terrorism

It's kinda hard to have a decent healthcare system when you are bowing to Mecca 5 times a day, or your head gets cut off.

Umm..huh? I'm not talking about the healthcare system in some middle eastern country...or do think the next middle east sponsored terrorist act is going to topple the US government and be taken over by an Ayatollah?

Percentage of Americans affected by budget deficits, high tax rates, failing medical coverage, and health care problems: 99.5%

Percentage of Americans killed in a terrorist attack in the last 50 years: .00002%


We're called the United States of Amnesia for good reason, but for once I don't feel too disturbed by the wisdom of crowds.

Malse rather precisely summed up my initial reaction to this thread. You can go ahead and sarcastically compare health care to terrorism, but I will bet you about all the money to my name (which isn't much ;)) that a lack of healthcare has 'killed' quite a few more people than terrorism in the past 10 years.

Anyone else think Sixee would be perfectly happy in Orwells world?

THIS IS NO TIME TO QUESTION BIG BROTHER WHEN WE ARE AT WAR WITH OCEANIA, AND EMMANUEL GOLDSTEIN IS WAITING TO KILL US AT ANY MOMENT.

Actually, I wish someone would tell Sixee's Mom to get him back into MySpace, and leave us alone with his inane moronic crap.

It is the same silly WAAAAAAYYYYY out of context "So you are saying....." stuff over and over and over. I have waited for an intelligent argument to come out at some point, but as we have seen it is radio talk show regurgitation at it's weakest.

I don't know that he would be happy anywhere, really.

in sixee's case, the terrorists have won. He is incapable of living a meaningful day to day life, worrying about normal day to day things without thinking the sky is falling here.

A terrorists job is just as important to make people scared to live their life as it is to take innocent life. When one is more scared of terrorists than cares about the health of his fellow americans, we know the terrorists have won over that person.

I still had hope but...
Probably B. more than anything else.
It's kinda hard to have a decent healthcare system when you are bowing to Mecca 5 times a day, or your head gets cut off.(emphasis added) muslim hate and what Taleren's post sums perfectly.
You live in fear Sixee... Sad. :(

LOL, wow, you guys have no idea.
Ok, this is what I'm saying: I think it's kinda hard to ignore that someone was able to smuggle radioactive material into the country, through the detectors, with falsified documents.
If Al-Qaida succeedes in building a dirty bomb and exploding it in the U.S., what good will good healthcare coverage do us? If we decide to let them do whatever they want, which is what a lot of people on the Left seem to want to do, they will impose their version of Islam on us. You don't play by the rules, someone loses a head, or something explodes. If it were a Mony Python skit, I'd be laughing.
Incidentally I'm not anti-Muslim, I chose my words very carefully. I said Islamic Facists. This is in reference to the small (but doesn't the media just love them!) group of Muslim extremists that kidnap infidels and saw off their heads in front of the unblinking eye of the camera.

I think you are very wrong Sixee...we most certainly have an idea.


You said:

Ok, this is what I'm saying: I think it's kinda hard to ignore that someone was able to smuggle radioactive material into the country, through the detectors, with falsified documents.

That kind of proves our point that Bush and the people he has in place are incompetent.

You said:

If Al-Qaida succeedes in building a dirty bomb and exploding it in the U.S., what good will good healthcare coverage do us?

Having good healthcare will be of the utmost importance if that happens.



You said:

If we decide to let them do whatever they want, which is what a lot of people on the Left seem to want to do, they will impose their version of Islam on us. You don't play by the rules, someone loses a head, or something explodes.


You can say we are on the left, I really believe we are in the majority center. I don't know anyone here or in the place I live that thinks or feels we should bow down to terrorists of any sort, be they Muslim, Christian etc...

We believe that the war in Afghanistan was a just war, that the Taliban got what they deserved and I still support the deployment of US troops there.

We believe is that the war in Iraq was not a "just" war, it was based on outright lies and falsehoods put forth by the president and the people in his administration. The acts commited to go to war in Iraq are either bordering on or are outright criminal.

I think what I am most amazed with is that there are actually people who will not look at the facts and will look for anything to justify the acts of this administration. They ignore the truth, say things like "if the newspapers would just stop reporting on the killing it will stop"

This blame the liberal media crap is getting old. Bush is a fuckup, he has always been a fuckup, he has done to the US exactly what he has done to EVERY business he has owned, bankrupted them and caused them to become less effective and a shell of their former selves.

Thats the man and the policies you support. So I guess in the end, you will get what you deserve.
Do you really believe that these people are killing just for headlines?

You can say we are on the left, I really believe we are in the majority center.

That reminds me of a story that I heard. There was a reporter that claimed she didn't understand how the Republicans had won the election, because everyone she knew had voted Democrat.
We tent to associate with people that think like ourselves, and shun people that think differently. Since all the people we know think like us, we are flabbergasted to find out there are differing points of view.
I know my views are not popular on this board. I bring them to challange your point of view.
If we all thought the same things, this would be a boring world.
I don't expect any of you to "convert", but that's not why I come here to discuss things.
I do it to see things from a differing point of view.

Now as for the health care issue, I care if people can obtain the medicine and treatments they need to live.
I think that people should be able to get these things, but I don't think that the government should be the organization involved in making sure people get them.
People should be responsible for their own healthcare, not their employers, nor the government.
Now if employers want to offer that to attract the better employees to come work for them, that should be an OPTION, not a REQUIREMENT.
People will tend to gravitate towards the employers that offer those benefits, and away from those that don't
The money spent on Medicare and Medicade could be better spent in other areas such as defense, but I'm sure that's an unpopular idea.
And health care matters naught to the dead. If a dirty bomb goes off, there isn't enough health care in the world that will stop radiation poisoning.

Sixee,

Your not a libertarian your a Bush follower. Please refrain from insulting the libertarians.

You see approx 70% of bankruptcy filings are due to healthcare costs.

Just fyi; that stat bugs me. You and a lot of people I know read that study and like to quote it. Please note that they counted bankruptcies due to drug addiction and gambling as "due to healthcare costs." The stats were quite different without those numbers. They also counted bankruptcies due to alcoholism as "due to healthcare costs" but I'll cut that slack since alcoholism is officially a disease.

That reminds me of a story that I heard. There was a reporter that claimed she didn't understand how the Republicans had won the election, because everyone she knew had voted Democrat.
We tent to associate with people that think like ourselves, and shun people that think differently.

Oh good lord. Stop acting like you're a majority and he isn't. You are a minority. Don't forget that the current president was elected by a MINORITY vote. He beat out another candidate who got a minority vote by what, a lousy couple hundred thousand votes?

A modern president can't stand up after his election and say "the majority of people are behind me." It's simply not true. His campaign machine simply spent enough money to motivate the right groups of people in the right geographic areas to vote.

Sixee,

Your not a libertarian your a Bush follower. Please refrain from insulting the libertarians.

Rover, you don't know me, so don't label me to be something I'm not.
I'm a Libertarian, and I have been for a long time, way before GW took office. You know me from my posts? Think again.
Once again, I'll reiterate for the slow learners out there.
What I post here isn't exactly what I believe. I present another point of view to CHALLANGE yours. To MAKE YOU THINK. Not for you to think that you are superior to me, but about what you believe.

They also counted bankruptcies due to alcoholism as "due to healthcare costs" but I'll cut that slack since alcoholism is officially a disease.

Alcoholism is a disease is the biggest load of horseapples ever fed to the American Public.
Alcholism is not a disease. It is a personality disorder at best. A lack of willpower at worst. I should know, my family is full of alcoholics.
A disease is something that makes you sick, as in Chicken pox.
Alcoholism is a choice. You decide if you are going to let alcohol ruin your life. These bad choices that people make and then blame on a "disease" absolves them of all responsibility. After all you can't blame a "sick" person.
I made a choice when I was younger, not to follow in the footsteps of my family members that made poor choices. I have an occasional drink, but I know when to stop myself.
It's usually when I end up with lampshade on my head, trying to karaoke to Bon Jovi. :D

Ok, this is what I'm saying: I think it's kinda hard to ignore that someone was able to smuggle radioactive material into the country, through the detectors, with falsified documents.

So, what you are saying is, that almost five full years after the worst terrorist attack by foreign agents, the administation that has had virtual carte blanche in policy, budget, and radical extension of executive powers has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to actually secure America agents foreign agents in their most probable and well-predicted course of action?

You damn liberal media.


Incidently, there has never been, nor will there possibly be in the next 50 years, a military force capable of invading the United States of America to dictate religion. In case you didn't notice from the pictures, most of the radical Islamic fundamentalists are attacking with trucks and stolen airplanes because they don't have the resources to get real weapons. We could cut our defense budget by 75% and still spend more than anyone else in the world on our armed forces, and America has more small arms per capita that any part of the world not in civil unrest, so we could show your imaginary towel head horde how to fight an insurgency straight outta Compton, yo. But before they even got here, they would have to orchestrate a naval invasion that would make D-Day '44 look limp and wimpy while not having any heavy industry at all.

You are more in danger of being struck by lightning out of William Wallace's dead ass than being forcibly converted to Islam. The only people invading the US are Mexican Catholics, and they're doing it for the jobs.

So, what you are saying is, that almost five full years after the worst terrorist attack by foreign agents, the administation that has had virtual carte blanche in policy, budget, and radical extension of executive powers has done ABSOLUTELY NOTHING to actually secure America agents foreign agents in their most probable and well-predicted course of action?

That's exactly what I'm saying.


You damn liberal media.


Incidently, there has never been, nor will there possibly be in the next 50 years, a military force capable of invading the United States of America to dictate religion. In case you didn't notice from the pictures, most of the radical Islamic fundamentalists are attacking with trucks and stolen airplanes because they don't have the resources to get real weapons. We could cut our defense budget by 75% and still spend more than anyone else in the world on our armed forces, and America has more small arms per capita that any part of the world not in civil unrest, so we could show your imaginary towel head horde how to fight an insurgency straight outta Compton, yo. But before they even got here, they would have to orchestrate a naval invasion that would make D-Day '44 look limp and wimpy while not having any heavy industry at all.

You are more in danger of being struck by lightning out of William Wallace's dead ass than being forcibly converted to Islam. The only people invading the US are Mexican Catholics, and they're doing it for the jobs.

OMG, that's funny!
You made me Laugh. REP POINTS FOR YOU!!!

Alcoholism is a disease is the biggest load of horseapples ever fed to the American Public.
Alcholism is not a disease. It is a personality disorder at best.

My views on this aside, people with medical degrees seem to disagree with you. The boat left on this a long time ago. I think they even isolated the genes that enable this during one of the big genome projects in the late 90s.

Hell, I live in Utah where a large % of the adult male population have CW permits.

/flashs his Glock .40....c'mon invade Yoooooo I got yer Red Dawn hanging!

Fandros

My views on this aside, people with medical degrees seem to disagree with you. The boat left on this a long time ago. I think they even isolated the genes that enable this during one of the big genome projects in the late 90s.

http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=26119

Just because there's a Gene for it, doesn't give you an excuse.

There is a difference between identifying an attitude that runs in a family and discovering a gene that contributes to alcoholism. There is no evidence whatsoever that attitudes toward drinking are hereditary. There are familial, societal, and cultural attitudes toward alcohol consumption but this does not mean that they have a genetic basis.
Genes clearly do contribute to alcoholism. However, even when a gene like GABRG3 is found, that does not mean we understand the genetic basis of alcoholism. The researchers do not yet know how changes in the GABA gene increase a person's risk of alcoholism.

What I post here isn't exactly what I believe. I present another point of view to CHALLANGE yours. To MAKE YOU THINK. Not for you to think that you are superior to me, but about what you believe.

I don't want to be mean Sixee..but that is just a cop out. If someone disproves or counters with a great point you can just, oh..I didn't really believe what I posted I just wanted to make you think.

Jay Bennish used that one too.

It's okay if you post something and it's disproven...or you think of it in a different way and change your view....it's called having an open mind. I am constantly learning from some of the fine posters (L2, Thormir, Fandros, akipt,Malse, Rover, Bylimet,Mirdor..et.al.) we have here, altering how I look at things and where I look to learn about things.

What I post here isn't exactly what I believe. I present another point of view to CHALLANGE yours. To MAKE YOU THINK. Not for you to think that you are superior to me, but about what you believe.

Besides being a copout -- little better than "my evil brother posted that on my computer" -- the only "challange" Sixee makes is against the time and patience it takes to read and respond to these awful posts of his. They've only MADE ME THINK he has no concept of reason and no answers but "but Clinton!" and inapt/inept comparisons to unrelated points in history.

Kind of like Osgiliath's claim that he's here so that akipt and Furtivus don't have to go it alone. Barely worthy of skimming, much less replying to.
Hell, I live in Utah where a large % of the adult male population have CW permits.

/flashs his Glock .40....c'mon invade Yoooooo I got yer Red Dawn hanging!
Maybe the iron is no longer hot, but I've long thought a good B-movie premise would entail an ill-fated invasion (of evil foreigners or extraterrestrials) of a gun-toting place like Compton or back country Redneckville. Slither (http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0439815/) seems to be going for something like this. Hope to find out within the week. Yeee haw!

I don't want to be mean Sixee..but that is just a cop out. If someone disproves or counters with a great point you can just, oh..I didn't really believe what I posted I just wanted to make you think.

Jay Bennish used that one too.

It's okay if you post something and it's disproven...or you think of it in a different way and change your view....it's called having an open mind. I am constantly learning from some of the fine posters (L2, Thormir, Fandros, akipt,Malse, Rover, Bylimet,Mirdor..et.al.) we have here, altering how I look at things and where I look to learn about things.

LOL, you have something brown on your nose there.
And I do change my mind. I used to be a "Peace, Love, Dove" kinda guy. I truly believe, as you get older, you become more conservative.

I'm going to paraphrase something I heard here, but it makes a point.

A Harvard undergrad returns home on break. The conversation at the welcome home dinner inevitably turns to her schooling.

"I've become an enlightened liberal," the English lit student declares proudly. The conversation then turns to her study habits, free time and the like.

Daughter: "Free time? What free time? I barely have time to eat. I'm working like a dog --- but I'm making dean's list!"

Father: "And how is your best friend Michelle doing?"

Daughter: "She works, but has different parties, I, uh mean, priorities. Her GPA is hitting rock bottom. She's pretty smart, but she was warned that if she doesn't clean up her act, then she'll be booted."

Father: "Now, you wouldn't want that. Why don't you go to the dean's office and offer to transfer some of your GPA to Michelle so you both can be equal?"

Daughter: "Why in the world would I do that!? I work hard. I push myself. I do what I must without any excuses. Michelle is capable. If she wanted to succeed like me, she would."

Father: "Are you sure that your English lit courses don't include a class in poli-sci? You've managed to succinctly articulate the differences between conservatives and liberals."

--Author unknown

Slither looks like a comedy.

I doubt Ailwon is looking to brown up his nose by including me in his honored circle of debaters. He and I have argued more than a few times over the years. He's just admitting what alot of us here feel. We come here to learn more than to convert others to our way of thinking...

I've always learned better through debate than I do from preaching to someone my values.

Fandros

Rover, you don't know me, so don't label me to be something I'm not.
I'm a Libertarian, and I have been for a long time, way before GW took office. You know me from my posts? Think again.
Once again, I'll reiterate for the slow learners out there.
What I post here isn't exactly what I believe. I present another point of view to CHALLANGE yours. To MAKE YOU THINK. Not for you to think that you are superior to me, but about what you believe.

Score: Sixee - 2 dipshit points!!! YAY

That post is so unbeleivable it can only get this response from me.

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Alcoholism is a disease is the biggest load of horseapples ever fed to the American Public.
Alcholism is not a disease. It is a personality disorder at best. A lack of willpower at worst. I should know, my family is full of alcoholics.
A disease is something that makes you sick, as in Chicken pox.
Alcoholism is a choice. You decide if you are going to let alcohol ruin your life. These bad choices that people make and then blame on a "disease" absolves them of all responsibility. After all you can't blame a "sick" person.
I made a choice when I was younger, not to follow in the footsteps of my family members that made poor choices. I have an occasional drink, but I know when to stop myself.
It's usually when I end up with lampshade on my head, trying to karaoke to Bon Jovi. :D


One wonders....do you actually feel this way or are you just trying to make us think?

Score: Sixee - 2 dipshit points!!! YAY

That post is so unbeleivable it can only get this response from me.

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One wonders....do you actually feel this way or are you just trying to make us think?

You decide. :rolleyes:

You see, the part that everyone seems to glaze over in what I wrote is "What I post here isn't exactly what I believe."
That means I'm subject to change my mind on things. An open mind, if you will.
I will post an opposing viewpoint, then try and back it up. If its strong enough to stand then it will, if not then it won't.
But just because I may get shouted down, doesn't mean I won't try.

You decide. :rolleyes:

You see, the part that everyone seems to glaze over in what I wrote is "What I post here isn't exactly what I believe."
That means I'm subject to change my mind on things. An open mind, if you will.
I will post an opposing viewpoint, then try and back it up. If its strong enough to stand then it will, if not then it won't.
But just because I may get shouted down, doesn't mean I won't try.

Thanks for letting me know that I should no longer interact with you here.

Thanks for letting me know that I should no longer interact with you here.

That's your choice.
Would you rather I tell you you are the smartest person on the boards and agree with everything you say?
That's the point of having a discussion then?

No I think his point is he doesn't need to interact with you because you are using other peoples beliefs..not necessarily yours so you say.

That's your choice.
Would you rather I tell you you are the smartest person on the boards and agree with everything you say?
That's the point of having a discussion then?


Let me explain this in big letters so you might understand better.

The point of a discussion is you provide YOUR side YOUR belief YOUR point of view. We interact with how we REALLY feel.

I provide MINE.

Its a much more REAL discussion.

If Al-Qaida succeedes in building a dirty bomb and exploding it in the U.S., what good will good healthcare coverage do us?

Once again, you're blowing this out of proportion, Sixee. If you think America is "asleep" because people aren't directing enough attention towards terrorism, it's kind of short-sighted to care so much about dirty bombs compared to other weapons. Caesium-137 -- the radioactive material successfully smuggled into the U.S. -- is about as dangerous as a water pistol compared to whatever explosive would be used to disperse the material. In fact, this was mentioned in the article that you posted:

Michael Levi, a fellow at the Council on Foreign Relations, said the 150 microcuries of cesium-137 smuggled by each team would barely cause more than one death from cancer per million people exposed for 30 years.

So, if everyone in the U.S. was exposed to that amount of the substance, 300 people would die over the next 30 years?

Sixee, if you're trying to show us how we're all a bunch of media-fed stooges, perhaps you shouldn't regurgitate sensationalist journalism; doing so doesn't prove much.

Let me explain this in big letters so you might understand better.

The point of a discussion is you provide YOUR side YOUR belief YOUR point of view. We interact with how we REALLY feel.

I provide MINE.

Its a much more REAL discussion.

I understand what you are saying now, the big words really helped.
Maybe I can use the same Technique and people will get what I'm saying.
I come here to see things from another perspective.
I don't always agree to the perspective, but I respect the right of others to say what they want.
I voice what I feel to be true, and hopefully have others see things from my perspective.
If I can, I try and back it up with facts.
And I do it without calling names, belittling or cursing, unlike some others here on the board.
And usually if I am wrong, I will admit to it. I haven't seen that happen on the boards with anyone else yet.

How come all of Sixee's stories have the feel of those lame mass Emails that conservatives send to each other and Snopes debunks on a daily basis?

I come here to see things from another perspective.

I voice what I feel to be true, and hopefully have others see things from my perspective.


You just totally and completely contradicted yourself.

Man it's okay to say you come here to learn and even to argue.

It's not okay to say , when backed into a corner, that you meant to sound that way.

Stand up for what you feel or just totter off.

Fandros

Wow the past two pages are better than the whole thread.

But yeah, I'm with Fandros....I come here to learn and argue but I choose my threads to argue in b/c if I don't know much about something I sound idiotic when I babble. Well, I probably babble allot and actually I probably sound idiotic more often than not too....but even when people get all heated here there is still an ounce of respect.

This place provides an interesting twist on the world's events, you get to hear many sides not jsut the skewed BS you hear on the 6 o'clock news. Playing too many sides will alienate you, speak your mind and your piece.

You just totally and completely contradicted yourself.

Not if you believe in an exchange of Ideas.

How come all of Sixee's stories have the feel of those lame mass Emails that conservatives send to each other and Snopes debunks on a daily basis?

I first heard that story in a place totally unrealted to politics. Just because I refound it posted on a Pseudo Conservative blog doesn't mean the message is wrong. Just use the same logic most Bush haters used when Dan Rather produced those fake documents.

This place provides an interesting twist on the world's events, you get to hear many sides not jsut the skewed BS you hear on the 6 o'clock news. Playing too many sides will alienate you, speak your mind and your piece.

Very well, here's my mind. Conservatives suck, as well as Liberals. Liberals want to force diversity down your throat, while Conservatives want to legislate what you can do in your bedroom.
Less government is better. The only thing you can count on when it comes to the government is that it will screw up whatever it tries to do, outside of the defense of the nation. Everything else is subject to FUBAR

I present another point of view to CHALLANGE yours. To MAKE YOU THINK.Want to know what I think? I think that's pretty damn HUDGE of you. No really, I mean it. Just don't let it get to your head.

What I post here isn't exactly what I believe. I present another point of view to CHALLANGE yours. To MAKE YOU THINK.

I voice what I feel to be true, and hopefully have others see things from my perspective.
If I can, I try and back it up with facts.


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Originally Posted by Rover
You just totally and completely contradicted yourself.



Not if you believe in an exchange of Ideas.

Yes you totally contradicted yourself. Read the first 2 quotes I made of yours over and over until you can comprehend how you contradicted yourself.

And in case you just simply don't know what contradict means...

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To be contrary to; be inconsistent with.

The third definition under contradict asserts exactly what the two quotes of yours from this same thread show.

Well, I probably babble allot and actually I probably sound idiotic more often than not too....but even when people get all heated here there is still an ounce of respect.

This place provides an interesting twist on the world's events, you get to hear many sides not jsut the skewed BS you hear on the 6 o'clock news. Playing too many sides will alienate you, speak your mind and your piece.

Hey, I babble more than you Fil.:mad:

Seriously tho, this has gotten really old really fast. I enjoy coming to this forum to share stuff, and debate points of view, and learn from all the links from those that have more time and more savvy to find stuff than I do. I usually log in before work, at lunch, and after work, to see what new conversation is taking place.

To date, Sixee, you have added nothing to any of the threads I have seen you post in, other than cut/copy/paste, "quote", link, "Oh yes, Bush is the evil. Can you do better? blah blah blah", and so on and so on and so on.
And now, you are playing the cop-out card disavowing your own arguments, if that is what they can be called.

Been some time since "Tard" came to mind, but it seems to be fitting better all the time. If you are going to contribute, do so. You do not need the silly games and neither do we.



McCain in '08

Show how I'm being inconsistant, or contrary? I want to see things from different viewpoints, and I want others to see things from my viewpoint.
Unless you think that by seeing something from another viewpoint, makes my invalid, or others seeing things from my viewpoint invalidates thiers.
That would be true, if I changed it everytime I understood different idea. But just because I understand a point of view, doesn't mean I change my own.

Another interesting article.

Read it here (http://news.nationaljournal.com/articles/0330nj1.htm)

Pretty good evidence that Bush and his favorite people definately manipulated pre-war intelligence.

Yeah, that looks bad.
He shoulda stuck with the aiding and abbetting known terrorists angle.