http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD97EL40O0

I just couldn't resist another pirate discussion. Must be all those action movies we make... lots of practice!

Rock on, lesson. dont F'with Americans our balls are much bigger than our brains!

Really this shit is gettin old and we need to deploy a carrier to the region. an F/A-18 can cover alot more ground than a frigate. I dont think we'd have to sink to many before the message sinks in. see a small fast speed boat more than 10 miles off the coast? Hmmm let me think....Incoming!

What I can't get my head around is the fucking delay in getting destroyers to the scene. They arrived thursday morning? What were they, deep sea diving?

Well, the chain of command has to do its thing. Action would have to be authorized, which is not always instant since people have to cover their asses and see if they can run to the tall grass if something goes wrong. There would need to be some planning etc. Time zone differences don't help, since the decision makers might be asleep, have to be located/woken up or whatever. Then it gets relayed back to the fleet and ships are not exactly speed demons, gas turbines or not. So, 12 hours from the incident going down until they arrive on scene is reasonable, especially if the cargo ship is steaming away from the intercept.

Halo, ships that size aren't terribly fast.

So it seems that the captain is still hostage?

What I can't get my head around is the fucking delay in getting destroyers to the scene. They arrived thursday morning? What were they, deep sea diving?

How fast do you think those things go? No ship of size is cruising at much more than 60 km/h, if you have to go 2000 km ...

Thanks all for saying in one sentence what took me a paragraph.

Ships are slow.

Stupid friction!

The 378 I was on got about 30 knots on turbines... lol It would take forever to get anywhere.

I've forgotten too much applied fluid dynamics but there is something important about the 30 knot point in moving a large amount of displaced water that effectively limits surface ship propulsion to that range.

Just watch speedboats bouncing all over the place and you'll get an idea. It's not strictly power efficiency from friction.

What I can't get my head around is the fucking delay in getting destroyers to the scene. They arrived thursday morning? What were they, deep sea diving?

Fuck man.. it takes a long time to gather up that much resource.

(actual satellite image of Destoyers approaching Somali coast)

http://classic.battle.net/images/battle/war2/units/pics/destroyer04.jpg

I belive thats a picture of he Islamofaciast forces about to ground under thier boot a freedom loving democracy supporter. every one knows peace loving good guys represent in red.

Loktar Nogar!!!!!!!

Funny how accurate a depiction that is of African buildings.

http://classic.battle.net/images/battle/war2/pics/t09.jpg

So here is the fleet ready to blow away the lifeboat with the pirates and the Captain of the US cargo ship. I looks like it will be a one sided battle and that the pirates really should not try to resist.

That's pretty dumb though. Should just fly in on wyverns or gryphons, they have no anti-air capabilities down there.

The half asleep Death Knight in the upper left could have just scuttled the whole fleet though with Death and Decay too.

Fuckin' pirates are cheaters.

I called C-7, and they said miss. :mad:

We need a Denman.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7991512.stm

Seems other captured pirate vessels are now actively searching the area for hte lifeboat while another US frigate with medical capabilities and helicopter gunships will be there with in the day. inter sting.

So I see the French grew some nuts finally and sent in some commando's? Rescued 4 hostages, lost another, and killed 2 pirates.

As to the article posted above, it's got nothing to do with the Captain's willingness or in these cases commanders(hahah navy) and everything to do with U.S. policy of don't do anything that we don't tell you and will make us look negative on the news.

'So I see the French grew some nuts finally and sent in some commando's? Rescued 4 hostages, lost another, and killed 2 pirates.'

- The French have had nuts before the rest of us. They launched a land operation to rescue detainees like a year ago.

'So I see the French grew some nuts finally and sent in some commando's? Rescued 4 hostages, lost another, and killed 2 pirates.'

- The French have had nuts before the rest of us. They launched a land operation to rescue detainees like a year ago.

They also did a bang up job against britains navy when we were fighting for our independence. Americans really have short and stupid memories.

'So I see the French grew some nuts finally and sent in some commando's? Rescued 4 hostages, lost another, and killed 2 pirates.'

- The French have had nuts before the rest of us. They launched a land operation to rescue detainees like a year ago.


Because most Americans by into this rhetoric created by the republican smear machine. The French were smart enough to not back us going into Iraq in 2003, but they were on point in 1991.

It all goes back to WWII and their realization that the Blitz had enveloped them and resistance at that point was only going to destroy their infrastructure, Paris and other historical areas with no other result and certainly not a victory.

Then there is that Independent from NATO thing which anyone with brains would know they would have jumped right in had there ever been a Soviet invasion.

The French have a top of the line military, that is indisputable.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090411/ap_on_re_af/piracy

Rules of engagement prevent us from firing, but we're staying out of their shooting range? C'mon...drift closer, let them shoot first, and then show them what American tax dollars can do. Brute force doesn't necessarily mean shooting at them either.

Brute force doesn't necessarily mean shooting at them either.

Hell yea!!! do a little flank speed destroyer fly-by. show them what wake surfing means American style.

Because most Americans by into this rhetoric created by the republican smear machine. The French were smart enough to not back us going into Iraq in 2003, but they were on point in 1991.

It all goes back to WWII and their realization that the Blitz had enveloped them and resistance at that point was only going to destroy their infrastructure, Paris and other historical areas with no other result and certainly not a victory.

Then there is that Independent from NATO thing which anyone with brains would know they would have jumped right in had there ever been a Soviet invasion.

The French have a top of the line military, that is indisputable.


Yeah it couldnt be that they were selling things to Iraq or anything. Also top notch compared to what?

Also we did try and do something in Somali prior to France. Short sighted indeed.

Oh and 1 more thing. Comparing a country now to one over 200 years ago is silly. No country is the same.

Yeah it couldnt be that they were selling things to Iraq or anything. Also top notch compared to what?

Also we did try and do something in Somali prior to France. Short sighted indeed.

Oh and 1 more thing. Comparing a country now to one over 200 years ago is silly. No country is the same.




Yeah because while in the Marine Corps I of course never served anywhere there were French troops...hrrrrmmmmmm Multi National Peacekeeping Forces - US Marines, French and Italians maybe? The French performed every bit as good as anyone else did under very heavy fire.


Oh...and you might want to check out who had the point as the berms were breached into Iraq back in '91


I think that alot of countries were selling to Iraq including us.

Hells Yea! Seals got'em

Good job boys!

So the Pirates are now so angry they are vowing to kill any American or French citizens they capture in future Hijackings... I personally think Mr. Obama did a good thing in green lighting the rescue, but the negative to this may end up being future dead Americans and French :(

Most likely the negative press will be because of dead Somalis

So the Pirates are now so angry they are vowing to kill any American or French citizens they capture in future Hijackings... I personally think Mr. Obama did a good thing in green lighting the rescue, but the negative to this may end up being future dead Americans and French :(


I think if that were to happen, it would be the signal needed for a joint mission dedicated to eradicating the entire pirate population from the area, and this world. As Halo pointed out, there is a lesson to be learned from history, and destroying the nest will be much more effective than chasing the stray hornets.

Everyone in that chain of command from Obama right down to the shooters deserves credit of a job done very well.

Target...Target...Target...Mark ...Weapons Free!

Completely agree Byl. these bastards have been out of bounds for awhile now time to end it.

Jedd this was intersesting not only from the stanpoint of the Pirates trying to hijack thier first "American" vessel and the re-buff they recieved from that crew.(hold on..severe American Pride moment)
We saw a pretty swift response from the Navy, well as fast as a destroyers screws can churn. that was also "greenlighted" by Obama. bet ya the strike was "greenlighted" at the same time. we were not just gonna GW style blow that life boat up we were gonna gonna get our man back alive. sucks it took them awile to get thier shot, but it was damn good when they got it!!

I think this what we will see from Obama. talk softly, be willing to sing Kumbaya et al,
but dont forget that big stick stuck under your Tux.

he didn't make Gen. Jones his NSA because he knows good cookie recipies.

Apparently the snipers fired (floating in the ocean, by the way) because one of the pirates put an AK to the back of the captain and they were told to take the shot.

The Navy had been very amiable, so to speak, with the pirates, offering to tow their life boat from rough water, treating the captured Somali for sickness, yet the remaining ones refused to give themselves up even at the urging of the one who had essentially given up.

Also, I think now fewer peeps will be willing to hop in their fishing boat with with their kalashnikovs and hijack freighters and other boats/ships now that they see that some consequences are finally being enforced. Also more freighters will carry armed on-board security.

What game is that btw in the earlier posts?

Also, I think now fewer peeps will be willing to hop in their fishing boat with with their kalashnikovs and hijack freighters and other boats/ships now that they see that some consequences are finally being enforced. Also more freighters will carry armed on-board security.

Or not: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5guop6rNAr-zUvLllE5utQZBjYLxg

Just the same, I speak of the overall trend. Plus, a tugboat is a lot smaller than a cargo freighter.

What game is that btw in the earlier posts?

Graphics remind me of early Warcraft.

its warcraft2, if im not completely mistaken

Or not: http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5guop6rNAr-zUvLllE5utQZBjYLxg

Sanchek you are arguing that the successful recovery of the ship's captain 2 days ago didn't act as a deterrent to pirating operations 3 days ago?

Sanchek you are arguing that the successful recovery of the ship's captain 2 days ago didn't act as a deterrent to pirating operations 3 days ago?

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5gB7YMEDuCwwY9ncDOtPAkEI4-H2wD97ICSGO4

Somali pirates hijack 4 ships, take 60 hostages

By ELIZABETH A. KENNEDY – 1 hour ago

MOMBASA, Kenya (AP) — Somali pirates captured four ships and took more than 60 crew members hostage in a brazen hijacking spree, while the American captain freed from their grip planned to reunite with his crew and fly home Wednesday to the United States.

Pirates have vowed revenge for the deaths of three colleagues at the hands of U.S. snipers rescuing Capt. Richard Phillips, as well as for two others slain by French forces in a separate rescue last week.

"Our latest hijackings were meant to show that no one can deter us from protecting our waters from the enemy because we believe in dying for our land," Omar Dahir Idle, a pirate based in the coastal town of Harardhere, told The Associated Press by telephone. "The recent American operation, French navy attack on our colleagues or any other operation mean nothing to us."

Something like that.

Sanchek you are arguing that the successful recovery of the ship's captain 2 days ago didn't act as a deterrent to pirating operations 3 days ago?

It seems to me like it would just be a deterrent to not hiijacking a boat successfully.

Clearly the only deterrent will be to have a few of the "unarmed" ships suddenly blow a few dozen pirate ships out of the water.

The rest of the world has to quit rolling over and paying these fools.

Maybe. It's tough to deter people like that when they (mistakenly) believe they're doing the right thing. Killing them off only hardens the resolve of any remaining.

IMO if we don't take action against their land bases soon, US owned/crewed vessels should at least be encouraged to rigorously defend themselves with firearms and/or armed security people. After losing a few dozen attackers to American ships, the Somali pirates will avoid US flagged vessels entirely to concentrate on easier/safer prey.

Let's face it, meekly surrendering to the pirates is probably a one way ticket for Americans to star in an Al Qaeda beheading video. Resistance to capture is really our only real option.

Maybe. It's tough to deter people like that when they (mistakenly) believe they're doing the right thing. Killing them off only hardens the resolve of any remaining.

I must have missed a point there. They think they are doing the right thing? How are the justifying it as right?

Maybe. It's tough to deter people like that when they (mistakenly) believe they're doing the right thing. Killing them off only hardens the resolve of any remaining.

They are financially motivated they are not ideologically motivated, hence the ransom demands vs the AQ we just behead people for the sake of shock.

Their resolve is hardened by the more payoffs they get.

I must have missed a point there. They think they are doing the right thing? How are the justifying it as right?

They allege that illegal dumping of toxic waste is going on in their waters, so they seize suspected freighters. They also claim that foreign commercial fishers are illegally fishing in their waters, leaving their fishers nothing, so they use ransoms to feed their people. They claim that they're trying to protect themselves the only way they know how, etc etc.

I don't agree with it, but that's their rhetoric. Of course, if there is truth to their grievances, that's something that should be rectified too.

Ahhh well if true they have a right to bring the guilty parties to justice. I'm not sure it justifies taking any vessel they want and holding them for ransom at gunpoint.

Thousands of dolphins block Somali pirates (http://news.xinhuanet.com/english/2009-04/14/content_11184581.htm)

I see we've activated our secret weapon.

Arg Pirates!!! I read today in the paper they are making a reality TV show aboard Navy vessels hunting Pirates. Those pirates have brass balls though to be floating 300 miles off the coast in a freaking ROW BOAT!

Has anyone yet found any confirmation of any of the ransom monies being used to better the conditions of anyone other than the pirates, or those associated or connected in some manner with them?

I realize the claims of fishing rights, and toxic dumping, carry some legitimacy, but they do not provide cause for committing crimes in international waters.

It is well past time for the international community to make a stand, and warn the Somali "Coast Guard" that any vessel approaching a vessel in international waters in what might be discerned as an aggressive manner will be subject to being blown the fuck up!

Eliminating pirates worked well enough for the Romans in the Mediterranean Sea back in the day... we should just do the same in the geographical area of interest.

Fact of the matter is that all ships in the region should be prepared in some way or another to defend themselves. The four ships they've seized recently are smaller or potentially less harmful targets (i.e. I doubt the Phillipino government is going to be able to do much for their citizens in this case unfortunately).

If you blow enough pirates up, the suicide missions for easy ransom money will stop, providing the targets don't stay weak and/or close enough to the pirates' coast.

Would love to see the US take the lead in putting the kabosh on these guy's. Not real sure but i believe international maritime laws might provide a lot of lattitude for dealing with this. put a carrier there and any vessel that broadcasts an SOS. we respond!

hehe evil little thought. Fandos, how hard would it be adapt an A-10 to carrier ops?
just for the oh shit factor.
Oh lookie a pirate speed boat. Flotsam inc. in 3...2...

No need for A-10's when you have Harriers from these Marine Taxi's

http://www.crowhaus.com/as3.jpg

Waiting for an Air Strike

http://www.crowhaus.com/as1.jpg

It's here!

http://www.crowhaus.com/as2.jpg

I thought Obama said the US could not wage a 3 front war?

Sore losers for sure!!

Osg comes here and trolls in order to get a reaction. Then when he gets one, he tries to get people banned.. Asshole move imo.

I mean he admitted he just gets off on getting a rise out of people. I know his type.. he is the guard that goes in, rattles someones cage, fucks with them for no reason, provokes a reaction and then uses that to gig the dude. Then goes home and jerks off to how powerful he is.

Pirates strike another US target!

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/04/14/liberty-sun-us-ship-attac_n_186969.html


The Liberty Sun was attacked at 11:30am Eastern Daylight Time, and the pirates had fled by the time the USS Bainbridge arrived to escort the ship to Kenya.
The Liberty Sun is owned by the Liberty Maritime Corporation of Lake Success, N.Y., and they released this statement (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,515875,00.html) confirming that pirates had attacked and damaged the ship:
"We are grateful and pleased that no one was injured and the crew and the ship are safe," the statement continued. "We have communicated with the families of the crew to inform them of these developments. We commend the entire crew for its professionalism and poise under fire." NBC News reports (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30204891/) that there are approximately 20 American sailors on the Liberty Sun and they were attacked roughly 300 miles off the coast of Mogadishu, Somalia:
According to U.S. officials, the pirates opened fire on the ship as it attempted to take evasive action, NBC reported.
"The pirates pretty much shot up the bridge, but no one was hurt," one source told NBC.
Reuters reports (http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N14464411.htm) that another U.S.-flagged ship and U.S.-owned ship, the Liberty Sun, has been attacked by Somali pirates. The pirates attacked with rockets and automatic weapons, but failed to board the ship. The vessel was damaged, however, and the crew called the U.S. Navy for help. The ship is now under escort by the USS Bainbridge.
The crew is unharmed. Captain Richard Phillips, who was previously held hostage by pirates before being freed in a daring rescue operation by US special forces, is still on the Bainbridge (http://news.bostonherald.com/news/international/africa/view/2009_04_15_Pirates_back_on_attack:_Snatch_four_shi ps__60_hostages/srvc=home&position=5) and will have his return to his family delayed a little longer.

I think it's only spurred them on...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/7997610.stm

Have they taken any oil tankers? I can't remember.

For that matter, how many weren't cargo ships? I know there was the cruise liner. Any others?

http://www.bobcesca.com/oaDQWwRAbm98xg3mZqG8JbV2o1_500.jpg

http://www.bobcesca.com/oaDQWwRAbm98xg3mZqG8JbV2o1_500.jpg

BUAHAHAHAHAHAHAhahahAHAAH!!!

LMAO, good one Rover.

I'm not looking for efficiency in the kill ratio. just the most dramatic. any one know if you can override the Aegis system and target it manually?
Talk about a ZOMG WTF! moment. well millisecond really.

Have they taken any oil tankers? I can't remember.

For that matter, how many weren't cargo ships? I know there was the cruise liner. Any others?

They have taken at least one tanker (Saudi) and have attacked at least one cruise liner but were unable to board it. They have taken a number of small vessels (fishing dhows) and yachts as well.

Do oil tankers generally have onboard security or other defense?

It's interesting to me that they're taking mostly cargo ships, instead of taking a cut of the black goldmine floating by them. I haven't heard anything about them trying to steal anything off those cargo ships either (could have just missed it).

They normally ransom the cargo along with the ships and crews. With the exception of the Ukrainian ship carrying weapons, most cargos would be generally useless to them anyway. In any case, they don't have the facilities to unload the big container ships they have been hijacking.

Security wise, few ships (tanker or otherwise) have adequate security at the present time. They generally have to rely on fire hoses and violent maneuvering to dissuade boarders.

NEW YORK – Prosecutors say Abdiwali Abdiqadir Muse was not shy about making his presence known on the Maersk Alabama, brazenly tearing through the ship in a way that belied his young age and skinny, 5-foot-2 frame.

He was the first to board the ship, fired a shot at the captain, helped steal $30,000 in cash from a safe, and bragged about hijacking ships in the past, authorities said.



http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20090422/ap_on_re_us/us_piracy_suspect;_ylt=AmJ_I2TfjTmk3DQUZNVha9ADW7o F

So do you think he's a poor, misguided youth, as his parents tend to portray, or is this a guy that deserves punishment?

Incidentally, I hope that this does not start a wave of attacks by Somali pirates on American ships. Not in retaliation, but because living in our prisons would be better than the conditions they currently find themselves in...

South Park's take...

http://www.southparkstudios.com/episodes/220764

Remember, Sixee, that is the Prosecution's 'argument'. If you agree with that off-the-bat, well, you're not giving justice much of a chance.

Remember, Sixee, that is the Prosecution's 'argument'. If you agree with that off-the-bat, well, you're not giving justice much of a chance.

Yeah but Halo...we are a country that does it's best to try kids as young as 8 years old as adults, this guy is 19? Why should he get justice when we can parade him around as a political sideshow. Most prosecutors aren't concerned with justice here they are concerned with how can they keep their names in the news to help them get to the next political position.

You're a cynical bastard Rover - and I love it!

I tend to agree with Rover. People's political careers will get made on the first pirate prosecution since the 1800s.

Regardless, I'm sure the people that were on the ship will be able to shed some light on this young man's actions. 16 or 18 years old, he was still pointing a gun, and trying to get paid, it would seem.

And Osg, I saw that episode last night. Riotous!

He's been involved in illegal activies involving a firearm in international waters.

He's guilty , screw this feeling pity for him because he's 16. He committed the very adult crime he shall pay for it if he's guilty.

Remember guys! dont hit the white one's!....Classic!

screw this feeling pity for him because he's 16
Since they don't generally live much past 30, would'nt that make him middle aged in Somalian term's?

Guilt assuaged.