http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1811858,00.html

Seven months after Sergeant Christopher LeJeune started scouting Baghdad's dangerous roads — acting as bait to lure insurgents into the open so his Army unit could kill them — he found himself growing increasingly despondent. "We'd been doing some heavy missions, and things were starting to bother me," LeJeune says. His unit had been protecting Iraqi police stations targeted by rocket-propelled grenades, hunting down mortars hidden in dark Baghdad basements and cleaning up its own messes. He recalls the order his unit got after a nighttime firefight to roll back out and collect the enemy dead. When LeJeune and his buddies arrived, they discovered that some of the bodies were still alive. "You don't always know who the bad guys are," he says. "When you search someone's house, you have it built up in your mind that these guys are terrorists, but when you go in, there's little bitty tiny shoes and toys on the floor — things like that started affecting me a lot more than I thought they would."

Commentary about a war on terror that targets as many civilians as "enemies" aside, what a mess. What's going to happen when these guys get back home and are basket cases? I don't see how we can possibly give them adequate care for what we've done to them.

The scary part to me is how many ex-military end up in law enforcement. I'm not really crazy about a heavily medicated, PTSD cop pulling me over after spending years training to see me as an enemy combatant.

Well, we could always spit on them, and call them "Baby Killers".

Seemed to work just fine for the Vietnam Vets....:rolleyes:

http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,8599,1811858,00.html



Commentary about a war on terror that targets as many civilians as "enemies" aside, what a mess. What's going to happen when these guys get back home and are basket cases? I don't see how we can possibly give them adequate care for what we've done to them.

The scary part to me is how many ex-military end up in law enforcement. I'm not really crazy about a heavily medicated, PTSD cop pulling me over after spending years training to see me as an enemy combatant.

I take offense to that comment. My brother in law has been to Iraq three times, and his civilian job is as an officer for the Indianapolis Metro Police Department. I'd much rather be pulled over by him, someone who's been proven to be calm under fire than by some Joe Schmoe cop who was a bully in high school and became a police officer because he had no other place to turn than some academy that lets him bully the populace.

Did I say that applied to anyone who has been to Iraq?

Oh come on, the article you linked was about someone in Iraq.

That guy in Iraq that's got trouble in his head? No, I don't want him pulling me over.

Is your brother in-law taking anti-depressants, sleeping pills, and anti-anxiety meds just to function? If so, then I wouldn't want him pulling me over either.

You seem in a hurry to generalize what I clearly did not, and then take offense?

The scary part to me is how many ex-military end up in law enforcement. I'm not really crazy about a heavily medicated, PTSD cop pulling me over after spending years training to see me as an enemy combatant.

Yes, you did generalize.

Of those guys who they're talking about in the article.

Context is your friend.

You generalized. You don't like being called on it. Grow up. Is your goal here to alienate everyone on this board so you don't have to moderate it any longer? You made an asshole comment. Now either own up to it, or apologize for making a generalization that offended someone.

Did you even read the article? The thread was very clearly about the guys suffering mental consequences of what we've made them do.

Being an obtuse grammar Nazi about it (http://ayonae.com/showpost.php?p=142677&postcount=7) doesn't change that. Just read the very next sentence that you yourself quoted. I specifically said "heavily medicated, PSTD".

Are YOU generalizing and insinuating that EVERY ex-military cop is heavily medicated and has PSTD?

But hey, if you really want to be offended over something I didn't say, knock yourself out.

You aren't always right. Get over yourself.

I know you can read what rep hits I got. I'm not the only person who thinks you generalized here. Go ahead and read mine if you like, but it's not my place to put the name here who agreed with me.

I'll take a grasp of basic logic over a green dot in a database any day...

I'll take someone that's intelligent enough to go back and read what they wrote again and can show some contrition any day...

I didn't have to go back. I re-read it when you quoted it. It was very clear what I was originally talking about, from your very quote.

The only way you can read it as a generalization is if you really wanted to, in which case you're going to get offended over the topic no matter what. I'm not going to pander to you vicariously playing the victim.

I understood Sanchek's statement to be that its frightening to think that SINCE many ex-military end up in law enforcement, you COULD have one of the guys who DO end up a basket case pulling you over.

I understand sticking up for your brother, but I don't think you needed to "take offence."

I'll take a grasp of basic logic over a green dot in a database any day...

When will you be receiving this grasp? Most of your posts recently are in need of it, so I hope you get it soon.

When will you be receiving this grasp? Most of your posts recently are in need of it, so I hope you get it soon.

Hi. Are you my newest e-stalker? I have enough already.

Try Malse instead. He needs more.

Hi. Are you my newest e-stalker? I have enough already.

Try Malse instead. He needs more.

I'll take another, Byl has been dormant.