The board has now been around for a long time, and many things have changed in EQ as well as here on the message board..

a lot of people are quitting now, etc.. so im toying with the idea of having an ebay section on the board, meaning rl cash for ingame stuff, etc..

I dont want the trades themselves to take place on the boards, absolutly not, but advertising sales, advice, price estimates, helping identify scammers etc could be usefull for people and would be the prime purpose of the section..

Im just toying with the idea and nothing is set in stone, would like your reactions tho.

I have to agree with this idea. It would round up all the ebay type stuff in one section, so no one would have reason to bitch anymore. Also if people are planning on selling their character off, wouldn't it be nice to let all the AyRo regulars have the first shot at getting it?

As far as I'm concerned, the less RL money is involved in the game the better. I know ebay and such is here to stay but I don't see any reason to promote it further. I'd be against such a forum.

Before I make my post I want to say a few things, I know I am not the most liked person here on the boards (possibly the least :P) but hear me out. This section is really not all that bad. Sure some of you hate the idea of ebaying and as I have said in the past I respect that and it is your right, but what hubbe suggested is different than blatant ebaying.

When I read this post the first thing I thought of was NAG. If you think about it the ebay section would be just like NAG. Some people would like it, some would hate it and some would not care. The good thing is you are not forced to read anything you do not want to. There are some people out there who weather they support ebaying or not just are interested in reading things about it, kind of like people who surf @#%$.

If an ebay section were to open it would remove all the ebay topics, discussions, advertising etc from the general and nag section all in one easy to find or easy to avoid section. No more seeing those lame ass supersales.com links in NAG or general. It would also provide an information database on the subject such as things like people discussing prices, tips, scam prevention actions and many other things. If we did open a section I would also gladly use the knowledge I have (Regardless if you want to believe it, I do have knowledge of things) to post tips on how to not get scammed, how to price the value of what you are selling and anything else I can. Sure many of you think I am idiot, but you would be suprised what I actually do know :)

If we did open the section I would also suggest making it where you can post anonymously (if that is possible) and turn on a spam control so people do not spam. There really are so many possibilities with a section like this. Running out of things to right heh (pulling blanks suck), but if you do not even know how you would react to a section like this, at least give it a chance. What is the worst that could happen? You don't read it?

Lata

I would be against such a forum. Just because these sales are a fact of life does not mean that our board has to endorse them; one of the really nice things about this board is that it has, in the past, been a 'commercial free zone'. I have my own personal feelings about the issue of sales involving RL money, of course, but that's neither here nor there; my main concern is about the quality of the discourse (yes, I used the word (cough) quality to describe the A Ro board community, heh ;) ) that goes on here. So far, this board has been a place can actually communicate with each other without being inundated by spam (most of the time anyway ;) ), separate forum or no forum, and I'd like to see us keep it that way.

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

What purpose would it really serve? Half the posts about items for rl cash come from spammers who couldn't care less what the forum rules are or what forums we have. As for the shoppers, I would think @#%$ and the like would have much larger volume and be a better spot anyhow. In other words, we already have those spots, lets not drag them into this place.

Might as well just sell out to ****** and save yourselves the trouble of paying for the board yearly.


-Kanyli

A forum about ebay would be like a forum about "how to cheat the game". It's against the rules of EQ, hence a EQ forum shouldn't talk about.

I like it.

When you truly quit EQ, you'll ebay, that or delete.

This allows you to possibly sell to people you know, or even buy people yuou know.

its not a forum I plan to visit unless I were to quite eq.

Personally Im against ebaying and will steadfastly hold that position unitl i decide to do it myself)

Go for it.

Lol I like that swifton :) You are against it until you decide to do it heh. BTW I am not saying this to be a dick but I actually found that rather funny heh. It seems that is the moral of many EQ players, you just had enough balls to say it heh.

More opportunities for fights flames and rants??
Sounds good to me.

Ps I thought Buyza got banned? Im confused :\

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

Actually I'm changing my position on Ebay. /chuckle

Now to find the right deal...

Fandros

I feel that adding an ebay forum would be a bad idea.

For one, it's an extremely controversial topic. Why go out of our way to create animosity between the board's inhabitants? I personally have no desire to add an entire forum of potential flamebait to our current lineup. To many people the concept of ebaying is the anti-thesis of the EQ experience. This board was created as a safe haven for anyone, without bias or taking sides. By saying that we actively endorse ebaying we'd estrange elements of our community, which is a bad policy move no matter what company you work at.

The argument that "all ebay related posts from third parties will be contained to this forum", made by buyza, is bullshit. Do you honestly believe that the people who make these posts even bother browsing through the forum? The spam-links are almost ALWAYS created in MULTIPLE forums at the same time so as to get as much exposure as possible. I fail to see one single good reason why someone, who's just passing by our boards to spam our brains out, would give us the courtesy to not do it just because we have a forum dedicated to the topic. It's not like it's a polite salesman knocking on your door, they're a fucking graffiti team bowling your house over trying to score as many tags as possible. Unless of course Buyza is the one constantly spamming us, and he wishes to express his heartfelt guarantee that it won't happen again.

Neither do I have any wish to attract businessmen or vultures. Predators out for the quick buck isn't the sort of folks I want on the boards, or in my immediate presence. Yes, that includes buyza. As a matter of fact, I shot down this exact idea from him oh I don't know... six months ago?

Again: I have no wish to endorse ebaying. And yes, that is exactly what we'd be doing, endorsing it. We'd be setting aside webspace on a server for the very topic of ebaying, if that isn't endorsing it I don't know what is. Yes, you can use my shelves and floorspace to sell pornogrophy, but if anyone asks, I had nothing to do with it. Ridiculous.

let me know fandros ;)

They already have a forum, it's on the player ebay site.

We're fine as we are thankyou. I don't want the nightmare that an ebay forum would be.

hehe fandros..... Buyza must be laughing so hard at this point.

you're right :)

/chuckle

I'm sure he is Kinu. But we both know my time on EQ is through. ;)

I will miss you tho Kinu. We had alot of good conversations through the years.

/salute

Fandros

I'd be against it, for reasons previously mentioned. I think anyone looking to go that route could just send Buyza a PM and find out whatever information they're after.

Please do not do this. You are asking for spam. People who want to buy/sell accounts already have places to go.

Not just no, but hell no.

And unlike the pack of lame hipocrites who used to hold the same opinion, I'm not ever gonna sell my character, even if it was worth the cash that some of them got. =/

Bottom line is YOU CANT SELL SOMETHING YOU DONT OWN. providing a board that professes to help people do just that is opening yourself up to huge legal issues.

Kad

*YOU CANT SELL SOMETHING YOU DONT OWN*

Go to @#%$, they gonna prove you you can...

no thanks

Against it

Shit, I have no qualms about selling Kiv. None at all. Just hasn't happened yet due to lack of offers :p

I just don't want to be a part of a network that sponsors the practice.

Shit, I have no qualms about selling Kiv.

Are you.... talking to yourself?
*backs away slowly...*

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

Ok it makes sense the second time I read it :p Ill be over here with my tasty crow if you need me.

Damn euros :) How is selling kivorn not sponsoring/supporting it though heh. And why would you oppose to supporting it but not selling your own character? That is like I support the war on drugs but am a crack addict. Maybe you should have a poll on the other section or maybe just give it a try for a week or two and see how it goes hehe.

Heh.

eqlive.station.sony.com/c.../links.jsp (http://eqlive.station.sony.com/community/links.jsp)

Scroll down until you see the link for Ayonae Ro


now, Imagine that link gone. That's what you can expect if you allow an ebay forum. They'll no longer recognize this board on their site...surely that won't kill the board, but it's a slap in the face.

How about before doing this you ask Edeina, I'm sure there is a reason it's been outlawed before.

Good point, but when I clicked stromm and tallon zek just out of the random I noticed they both had adds on them for supersales.com and other EQ sales / pay for powerleveling / eq guides for sale. Just felt like pointing that out :)

Eh..
Its a game..
Your EQ character is a collection of pixels and data.

The problem that I had, and I think Fanny had, was that Buyza was/is a parasite, he leeched off people and looked to buy toons from EW people to compensate for some deficency and feelings of inadequecy he had. He never saw a dime of my money and he wont see a dime of Fandros'

To place sentimental value on it is kinda foolish.
The person behind the toon is the important thing. The problem EQ has been in so many lives of people I know is that they start placing actual importance on their characters, equal and sometimes more than they place on important things in their real lives.
Its sad..
We all know these people..
EQ is fun, its a diversion, it can be a temporary escape.. but for some people.. its more than that.. It becomes a place to hide from real life, pretend its not there.

For me, the only thing that kept me playing for as long as I did was loyalty to EW and loyalty to Drizzen.
For others its fear of having to confront the majority of their waking hours dealing with Real Life.

Once someone is done with the game, why not sell the toon? Is that person the character?
No.
I was NEVER Lleauaric.. I was always Paul.

-at this point I had a 7 paragraph flame/rant that I deleted because I the person it was directed at isnt really worth it-

So to that person.. Go fuck yourself you piece of shit. You know who you are.

I would think scrapping the "no talking about ebay" rule would be better suited.

I am not worth it yet you went to right a 7 paragraph flame, how sweet. Can I Get a side of flowers with that? You may think I am a parasite, but I just buy and sell shit. I did not want EW people cause I felt inadequet, I wanted them cause they were the top of line most of the time. Kind of like the car dealership that sells bmw and not just ford, it just sells better becaue it is a better car.

To be honest I did not really ever have a personal vendetta, against EW. Sure I would act like a dick and talk shit on the boards but really I did not care, I did not wish you dead and crap because it is a message board we are talking shit on. It means really nothing to me, it is just something to read and write on, not life.

P.S you may have spoke to soon about fandros ;)

Dont flatter yourself Buyza.. it wasnt you.

lol seriously? I thought that was a pretty blatant "fuck you" to me especially with the parasite comment earlier in your post and the subject, but hey I guess it was not me.

hmmm it depends though i dont want to sell my account ever, if times became hard on me and i was basically forced to sell, damn right i will. But my character is part of me i put a lot into the last couple years i been playing so would be hard to come to the decision of selling off my time like that.


Only question i have to you others is people cheat in all games it shouldnt be something for you to get upset at, its a way of life if there is a way to cut corners damn right humanity is going to cut those corners. People that have played for years cant play like some people that have ebayed characters and some ebayed characters cant play like others who have been playing for years.

I really think its a petty argument to flame others for ebaying be it buying or selling, its not going to change how the game is played.

Ya seriously..
Ive got nothing new to say about ya. Same old shit that doesnt bear repeating.

for the record i agree with l2 / paul i do not now nor will i ever see myself as daemankyl but it was my personality that the pixelated character is / was / will be. In a sense it would make me feel like i was auctioning that off to someone else.

EQ isnt my life but i do think we all put a little of ourselves in it.

No.

Sure, you bet. It definately cant hurt any, and it can most likely help people that are quitting / starting. I'll browse through it.

I agree an Ebay section would be a bad idea.

Those ads on the other sites are supplied by ezboard, not by anyone connected with the site. They have no control over the ads (aside from the option to pay for gold status). Ezboard supplied ads and a community run forum dedicated to breaking the EULA are entirely different matters.

Well then you have to ask yourself, how many people get to these boards off the sony site?

So basically the idea is to let Buyza have free advertising?

Are you fucking retarded?

when i quit, i sold some gear off my warrior to buy a new ps2 since my old one died, that said, i'd never sell my toon. My point here, it wasn't hard for me to find someone to buy the gear, i didn't have to post about it here, etc. Just because I did that though, doesn't mean I think we'd need a forum to sell stuff. I think an ebay forum is a horrible idea, opening up a door that I don't think the mods want to handle.

Please no.

I am against this idea. Down with ebay scum!

Im not against ebaying.

But Im saying No just for the simple reason that it would generate unwanted traffic.

Basically I think its wrong for the people who donate to this board, to be paying for ebayer's free advertisement.

In the advent there was some way to make them pay for advertisement, or make a required donation to boards, then I wouldn't oppose it.

No need for it, anyone that wants to buy/sell an account or items have places to go already.

This would be a consumer reports type of thing so that people dont' get ripped off is what i was under the impression of..

Ack...no ebay section please.

Not worth the headaches it would cause.

I think this is a GREAT idea. It's been stated but it would give one central location for it and not in the nag's or RL sections. Plus it would be great to help weed out scum sellers. I vote yes!

I like this idea cause it gets trash posts out of nag and general and even bazaar... if people wanna look, they have their own section to look at.

I like this idea cause it gets trash posts out of nag and general and even bazaar... if people wanna look, they have their own section to look at.

Doubt an ebay thread will get the "trash posts" out of nag and general.

besides, isnt NAG all trash posts to begin with?

It couldn't be called "the ebay section".

It could perhaps be named, "the grey market", or some such.

Rules would have to be along the lines of "no actual advertisements for in game items" in the forum, only discussion of methods.

I.E. okay topics would be about which toons had been ebayed recently, how to not get scammed, which toons currently being auctioned had been possibly stolen or hacked, what to do if you get hacked, "hey, i've been hacked what do I do", that sort of thing. Links to auc sites should be a stickied post at the top of such a forum.

Not okay topics would be WTS fungi tunic $140 or "paying $300 for level 55 dr00ds", as those sorts of things belong on auc sites, not this site.

paying $300 for level 55 dr00ds

who would pay 300 for a 55 dr00d? what a rip off

against it...

I would rather have a movie/music forum :(

OOO i like that idea dart

I think maniacles has a good idea personally, not make it a advertise section, but a informative reading section. Just my 2 cents.

Even a purely informative section would still be promoting cheating. I feel strongly enough about it that I would stop visiting the boards entirely if an ebay section were added, and would encourage others that feel the same way to leave as well.

Put up a poll, what kind of new forum would you like to see.

Have people make some suggestions, and roll with it.

What could it hurt?

Im with palarran :)

*hop hop*

Good idea... PUT UP A POLL!!!! So I can vote yes!

No. There's plenty of ebaying resources out there anyhow. If Buyza wants a messageboard, he can make his own.

I am not against ebaying, I ebayed my character cause I needed the money fast. The character was not me as L2 said, I play on another character now and just because its a character with a different name, people know its me behind the character and I get treated the way I would've on Lark pretty much.

The only reason I'm against an ebay thread is because it is against EQ rules to ebay your character or give your account access to someone else, so an ebay forum would obviously be against the rules, its the only reason I'd be against it.

poll posted

I vote yes to ebay.
I have many reasons why we should have an ebay section.
I have zero reasons aside from the pussy ass "it's illegal" reason.

make an ebay section !

Please make that section i think it will just bring out in the open the stuff thats already taking place

Ebay Poll (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm9.showMessage?topicID=785.topic)

Thank you for your input everyone.

There will not be an "ebay" section.

wooot hubbe!

Alright, were gonna do this the California way.

Time to recall the mods. :lol

I'm voting for recall.

Vote Bosillinator 2k4!

I will mod u up!

RECALL! VOTE YES ON RECALL!!!! VOTE YES!!!!

Here is the reasons I should be a mod...

1) I have nothing better to do
2) I read these boards alot
3) I hate Europeans
4) I'd be the only Canadian mod
5) I like boobs
6) I'm not nice (that seems to fit the mods greatly)

I like number 3! and dont forget number 7, you will make an ebay section.