and its none other than the RNC chairman, michael steele!

heres what he said this weekend

STEELE: So let’s put it into context here. Let’s put it into context here. Rush Limbaugh is an entertainer. Rush Limbaugh, his whole thing is entertainment. Yes, it’s incendiary. Yes, it’s ugly.

rush responded with


“So I am an entertainer and I have 20 million listeners because of my great song and dance routine,” Limbaugh said. “Michael Steele, you are head of the Republican National Committee. You are not head of the Republican party. Tens of millions of conservatives and Republicans have nothing to do with the Republican National Committee…and when you call them asking for money, they hang up on you.

and then the inevitable surrender

“My intent was not to go after Rush – I have enormous respect for Rush Limbaugh,” Steele said in a telephone interview. “I was maybe a little bit inarticulate. … There was no attempt on my part to diminish his voice or his leadership.” […]
“I went back at that tape and I realized words that I said weren’t what I was thinking,” Steele said. “It was one of those things where I thinking I was saying one thing, and it came out differently. What I was trying to say was a lot of people … want to make Rush the scapegoat, the bogeyman, and he’s not.”

simply amazing, and incredibly pathetic. yet, who does this surprise?

guess rahm emanuel was right..

Yesterday, White House Chief of Staff Rahm Emanuel called Rush Limbaugh the “intellectual force” of the GOP. “And whenever a Republican criticize him, they have to run back and apologize to him, and say they were misunderstood,” he observed.

LOL..Jaba the Rush...

Once again why is it that a draft dodging, three times divorced, drug addict convicted of forging prescriptions who is noted for taking vacations to places notorious for child sex is held in such high esteem by the party of family values rhetoric?

Eh, I won't listen to him myself. Got burned out on his rhetoric years ago.

The only republicans he speaks for are those even older than myself who've been in the habit of listening to his bs for far longer than I care to think about.

The child sex thing? Don't know that's true so much as left wing talking heads piling on shit knowing their own sheeple won't check the facts.

Drugs and the rest, oman dead on...

I'd much rather listen to Neal Boortz, or Bill O'Reily.

Hoping you're joking and my sarcasm detector didn't go off.

I think they are both much better commentators than Limbaugh.

However, I stopped listening to Talk Radio about 4 years ago. I decided a skewed view wasn't what I wanted. I don't watch the nightly news, either. I get my "what's going on in the world" info from the Internet. Yahoo News, primarily.

Me? No I don't listen to Rush, atm I don't listen to anyone.

I used to listen to Medved or errr William Bennet I think his name is. Got worn out listening to one side's crap and omg no way can you listen to the lies of Al Franken and stay sane from the other side.

Howard Stern!

lmao well at least Stern is honest in the fact he's an entertainer and not an unbiased source of news ;P

Especially on strippers....

lmao well at least Stern is honest in the fact he's an entertainer and not an unbiased source of news ;P


LOl..but probably the best part of Stern is when they do the news...the commentary is hilarious.

Stop listening to anyone.

Its too passive. Talk radio demands a submissiveness that is pretty disturbing.

Stop listening to anyone.

Its too passive. Talk radio demands a submissiveness that is pretty disturbing.

Bingo.

Stop listening to anyone.



Including you?

Stop listening to anyone.

Its too passive. Talk radio demands a submissiveness that is pretty disturbing.

I think that's the place I'm at. I can't express my difference of opinion while I'm driving to anyone but myself ( and often ya'll once I get home ;p )

Including you?

L2 could use a little more critical analysis but at least provides source material, which is all you can ask of anyone. You can't fully judge someone's conclusions unless you can repeat the same process on their data.

Stop listening to anyone.

Its too passive. Talk radio demands a submissiveness that is pretty disturbing.


Even Howard Stern?

I despise all talk radio hosts, but most especially the overtly biased political ones (both right and left). I think Stern is an idiot, but his shock-jock routines pale in the annoyance factor to me compared to Rush, Randi Rhodes, etc.

Hes a fat pumpkin head. It amazes me people bow to his insanity.

The danger...

BILL MOYERS:Welcome to the Journal.How ugly will it get? Very. The campaign has hit bottom this very first week, and seems to thrive there, down where the wild things are, while the country chokes on "Froth and Scum." By the way, FROTH AND SCUM is the title of a book, written by a former colleague, the historian Andie Tucher, on the sensationalist press in 19th Century America. Back then, the American author Oliver Wendell Holmes said that language is sacred, and wrote that its abuse should be as criminal as murder. He called it "...verbicide...violent treatment of a word with fatal results to its legitimate meaning..." America has yet to make "verbicide" a hanging offense. Indeed under the First Amendment guarantee of free speech, pretty much anything goes. There are some limits — Holmes' son was the Supreme Court justice who noted in a famous opinion that you cannot falsely shout fire in a crowded theater. That's because words have consequences and not just in politics. People in Knoxville, Tennessee, are asking if one of those consequences could be murder. Our correspondent Rick Karr traveled there to investigate. Let me warn you — some of the language you'll hear is graphic, provocative and downright raw.

RICK KARR: On a steamy Sunday morning in July a man armed with a twelve-gauge shotgun burst into this church in Knoxville, Tennessee and opened fire. Seconds later, one person lay dead, another mortally wounded, and six injured.

REVEREND CHRIS BUICE: The man who walked into this sanctuary on July 27th was armed with a gun but he was also armed with hatred, he was armed with bitterness, he was armed with resentments, he was armed with indiscriminate anger. He was armed in body and spirit.

RICK KARR: Members of the congregation wrestled a fifty-eight-year-old, unemployed truck driver named Jim David Adkisson to the floor and held him until police came. At first it seemed like just another inexplicable outburst of violence until a police news conference the next day.

POLICE CHIEF STERLING OWEN: It appears that what brought him to this horrible event was his lack of being able to obtain a job, his frustration over that, and his stated hatred for the liberal movement.

RICK KARR: Why did Adkisson hate "the liberal movement"? Police said that he told them "that all liberals should be killed ... because they were ... ruining the country, and that he felt that the Democrats had tied his country's hands in the war on terror and ... ruined every institution in America...." Police said that Adkisson had targeted the Unitarian Universalist Church "because of its liberal teachings." The church advocates social justice and tolerance, and it openly welcomes gay, lesbian, and transgendered members. According to police, Adkisson said that, "Because he could not get to the leaders of the liberal movement that he would target those that had voted them in to office."In the weeks following the tragedy, the congregation and its pastor, Reverend Chris Buice struggled with what they were learning about Adkisson.

REVEREND CHRIS BUICE: Some have suggested that his spiritual attitudes, his hatred of liberals and gays, was reinforced by the right wing media figures. And it is beyond dispute that there are a plethora of books which have labeled liberals as evil, unpatriotic, godless and treasonous.

RICK KARR: During that recent sermon Buice told his congregation, some of who had risked their own lives to stop the shooting, that he has been reading some of those books.

REVEREND CHRIS BUICE: One of the books has the title "Deliver Us from Evil: Defeating Terrorism, Despotism and Liberalism". If that author was here in this room right now I would introduce him to some good liberals who acted decisively on that Sunday, acted quickly and courageously to stop the terror that came into our church building. I would introduce him to some good liberals who know how to fight terror with more than just their mouths.

RICK KARR: Buice says even with the outpouring of sympathy from around Knoxville and across the country, Adkisson's lethal anger has left him angry and full of questions.

REVEREND CHRIS BUICE:People were killed in my sanctuary of my church which should be the holy place, a safe place. People were injured. A man came in here totally dehumanized us. Members of our church were not human to him. Where did he get that? Where did he get that sense that we were not human?

RICK KARR: Buice admits that no one knows for sure and says that Adkisson alone, is responsible for the shootings. But he keeps thinking about some books that police found in Adkisson's apartment, books by popular right-wing talk-radio personalities who berate and denigrate liberals. One of the books police found in Adkisson's apartment was Michael Savage's "Liberalism is a Mental Disorder". In it, Savage calls liberals "the enemy within our country;" "an enemy more dangerous than Hitler"; "traitors" who are "dangerous to your survival" and who "should be placed in a straightjacket". Like Adkisson, Savage accuses liberals of "[tying] the hands of our military".

Savage isn't just a bestselling author: he also hosts a syndicated radio show.

ANNOUNCER:"And now American's most exciting radio talk show...THE SAVAGE NATION...THE MICHAEL SAVAGE SHOW."

RICK KARR: Savage reaches more than eight and a quarter million listeners a week. And when it comes to demonizing liberals, he's the same on the air as he is in print.

MICHAEL SAVAGE:"Liberalism is, in essence, the HIV virus, and it weakens the defense cells of a nation. What are the defense cells of a nation? Well, the church. They've attacked particularly the Catholic Church for 30 straight years. The police, attacked for the last 50 straight years by the ACLU viruses. And the military, attacked for the last 50 years by the Barbara Boxer viruses on our planet."

RICK KARR: Political liberals aren't the only targets of Savage's wrath. Back when he had a cable TV show, he bashed gay men.

MICHAEL SAVAGE: "So, you're one of the sodomites. Are you a sodomite?"

CALLER: "Yes, I am."

MICHAEL SAVAGE: "Oh, you're one of the sodomites. You should only get AIDS and die, you pig. How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig. You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage. You have got nothing to do today, go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis."

RICK KARR: And earlier this year on his radio show, he targeted kids with autism.

MICHAEL SAVAGE: "I'll tell you what autism is. In 99 percent of the cases, it's a brat who hasn't been told to cut the act out. That's what autism is. What do you mean they scream and they're silent? They don't have a father around to tell them, 'Don't act like a moron. You'll get nowhere in life. Stop acting like a putz. Straighten up. Act like a man. Don't sit there crying and screaming, idiot.'"

PROTESTORS:"Fire Savage now! Fire Savage now!"

RICK KARR: That outburst prompted protests by outraged parents, and a few stations dropped Savage's show. So did an advertiser. But Savage hasn't apologized and he's still on the air.

MICHAEL SAVAGE: "America is being overrun by an invasion force from Mexico that'll soon take over the country[...]you psychotic liberals don't even know you're digging your own grave and throwing lime in there. All that's missing is the worm from the tequila bottle to go with it."

RICK KARR: Michael Savage isn't the only right-wing talk-radio host who launches blistering, even violent, verbal attacks on people and groups he doesn't like. Glenn Beck, for instance, fantasized about murdering a liberal filmmaker.

GLENN BECK:"I'm thinking about killing Michael Moore and I'm wondering if I could kill him myself, or if I would need to hire somebody to do it. No, I think I could. I think he could be looking me in the eye, you know, and I could just be choking the life out of him. Is this wrong?"

RICK KARR: Michael Reagan, son of the former president, suggested that people who claim that "nine-eleven was an inside job," a U.S. government conspiracy, deserve to die.

MICHAEL REAGAN: "Take them out and shoot them. They are traitors to this country, and shoot them. But anybody who would do that doesn't deserve to live. You shoot them. You call them traitors, that's what they are, and you shoot them dead. I'll pay for the bullet."

RICK KARR: Neal Boortz went after victims of Hurricane Katrina.

NEAL BOORTZ:"That wasn't the cries of the downtrodden. That's the cries of the useless, the worthless. New Orleans was a welfare city, a city of parasites, a city of people who could not, and had no desire to fend for themselves. You have a hurricane descending on them and they sit on their fat asses and wait for somebody else to come rescue them."

RICK KARR: Muslims are some of Boortz's favorite targets.

NEAL BOORTZ:"It's Ramadan and Muslims in your workplace might be offended if they see you eating at your desk. Why? I guess it's because Muslims don't eat during the day during Ramadan. They fast during the day and eat at night. Sorta like cockroaches."

RICK KARR: Reverend Chris Buice says he's heard that kind of language before.

REVEREND CHRIS BUICE: If you look at the history of like situations like in Rwanda in 1994, the talk radio was a big part of leading to the conditions that created a genocide. The Hutu radio disc jockeys would call the Tutsi cockroaches. There's the sense that these aren't human beings. You know, they're not human beings with children or grandchildren. These are cockroaches. And when you hear in talk radio that liberals are evil, that they are traitors, that they are godless, that they are on the side of the terrorist. That's hate language. You don't negotiate with evil people. You don't live in community with people you consider to be traitors.

RICK KARR: Millions of Americans tune in to right-wing talk radio every day. Rory O'Connor is a media critic and a liberal himself who's written a book on shock-talkers. He says not all of these broadcasters use violent language. But they do all share a predilection for outrage and, he says, they're all practically addicted to constantly cranking up that outrage.

RORY O'CONNOR: Here's the real problem. When you shock somebody, if you come back the next time and you apply the same stimulus, it's not shocking any longer. It's already happened. So you have to ratchet it up a little bit. So how do you cut through? How do you really shock? I think that in order to continue to outrage, you have to constantly be jacking up the pressure. And ultimately, there's gonna be some deranged person out there in that audience who's gonna say, "You know what? That's a good idea. Let me act on that."

GLENN BECK:"The fusion of entertainment and enlightenment."

RICK KARR: Entertainers — that's what a lot of the shock-talkers call themselves. O'Connor says, maybe. But their words can motivate their listeners to act.

RORY O'CONNOR: Now first and foremost, we have to recognize that many of them are employed across multiple platforms. So they may say something on their radio show, but they may repeat it on their television show. They may then repeat it in their newspaper column. They may repackage the ideas into their best-selling books.

RICK KARR: Last year's debate over the immigration reform bill became a case study for Rory O'Connor. As arguments went back and forth, some of the language turned venomous. Hosts amped up their audiences' outrage with attacks on the bill's supporters and verbal assaults on immigrants.

NEAL BOORTZ: "I already have received at least one brilliant email today about the immigration problem [...]this person sent me an email, said when we defeat this illegal alien amnesty bill and when we yank out the welcome mat and they all start going back to Mexico, as a going-away gift let's all give them a box of nuclear waste[...]tell 'em it can, it'll heat tortillas."

BILL O'REILLY: "But do you understand what the NEW YORK TIMES wants? And the far left want? They want to break down the white, Christian male power structure which you are a part and so am I, and they want to bring in millions of foreign nationals to basically break down the structure that we have."

RICK KARR:O'Connor says the result stunned Washington.

RORY O'CONNOR: There were massive numbers of emails and letters and phone calls. You know, senators said, they had to have two or three people in their office answering the calls. That was all that they could do. They were inundated. And beyond that, how do you get their attention? Well, I tell you. If you send those threatening letter to a senator's home, that gets his attention pretty fast.

RICK KARR: Florida Republican Senator Mel Martinez got a threatening letter at home. North Carolina Republican Richard Burr got a threatening call at his office. South Carolina Republican Lindsey Graham told the NEW YORK TIMES that he and others had received threats, too. The TIMES also reported that a mass email opposing the bill suggested that its supporters needed to be "taken out by ANY MEANS". The bipartisan support collapsed, the bill died and right-wing talk-radio hosts took credit.

RORY O'CONNOR: This is evidence of their vast power. I mean, you know, President George Bush was pulling out all his political capital to get immigration reform passed. Trent Lott was backing him up with everything he had. And guess what? The President and the Republican leadership and Harry Reid and the Democratic leadership, they all lost. And they lost to a bunch of radio jocks.

RICK KARR: Right-wing talk radio hosts usually reserve their ad hominem attacks for liberal figures. Jim Quinn has his own name for the National Organization for Women.

JIM QUINN: "The National Organization for Whores, they're whores for liberal politics in general, and they were whores for Bill Clinton in particular."

RICK KARR: Glenn Beck tried to connect former Vice President Al Gore's efforts against global warming with Nazism.

GLENN BECK: "What was the first thing they did to get people to exterminate the Jews? Now, I'm not saying that anybody's going to, you know, Al Gore's not going to be rounding up Jews and exterminating them. It is the same tactic, however[...]you got to have an enemy to fight. And when you have an enemy to fight, then you can unite the entire world behind you, and you seize power. That was Hitler's plan. His enemy: the Jew. Al Gore's enemy, the U.N.'s enemy: global warming."

RICK KARR: During this year's Democratic primaries, Rush Limbaugh urged his listeners to vote for Senator Hillary Clinton to foster division in the Democratic Party in the hope that that would lead to violence in the streets of Denver. He called it "Operation Chaos".

RUSH LIMBAUGH:"This is about chaos, this is why it is called Operation Chaos[...]the dream end, if people say what is your exit strategy. The dream end is this keeps up to the convention. And that we have a replay of Chicago 1968, with burning cars, protests, fires, literal riots and all of that. That's the objective here."

RICK KARR: American politics has always been a rough game. But political scientist Jeffrey Feldman, who's written a book on the effects of angry political rhetoric, says this is different.

JEFFREY FELDMAN: Our system is a deliberative democracy. And that deliberative democracy depends on a certain kind of talk, a certain conversation in order to function well. What right-wing rhetoric does, when it reaches that violent pitch, is it undermines that particular conversation, such that the focus of political debate, becomes increasingly hamstrung by fear, and the ability of citizens to engage in the basic act of civics becomes gummed up. That conversation breaks down.

RICK KARR: Knoxville pastor Chris Buice agrees.

REVEREND CHRIS BUICE: When you blame all your problems on some minority group then everyone else is exonerated. We exonerate ourselves. We don't have to look at ourselves to see what sort of ways we contribute to the problems of the world. We don't have to examine ourselves, to see what we are doing that is helping to create the problems that we're so concerned about.

RICK KARR: In other words, Buice says, angry talk-radio rhetoric simply sets up scapegoats for society's problems. And ever since Jim David Adkisson walked into his church and opened fire he can't help but wonder whether that might lead to more violence.

REVEREND CHRIS BUICE:I just think a lot of people are hurling insults from the safety of television studios, the safety of radio studio, the safety of cyberspace, which they would not throw if they had to stand right next to a person and look in their face and say the same thing. And so that's a void in our community, the chance to be in the same room and to have these exchanges and remember the humanity of the person on the other side.

BILL MOYERS:We may never know what finally triggered the killer's rage, unless he chooses at his trial or later to tell us. But not for a moment do I think any of the talk show hosts mentioned by the police would have wished it to happen.

We asked several radio hosts to come on this broadcast and talk about the story; they either declined or didn't return our calls. The issue of course is not their right to say anything they want on the air. The First Amendment guarantees their free speech as it does mine. Government shouldn't be the arbiter of what the Bill of Rights leaves to one's own sense of fair play. Watching that report, however, I was reminded of a story from folk lore about the tribal elder telling his grandson about the battle the old man was waging within himself. He said, "My son it is between two wolves. One is an evil wolf: anger, envy, sorrow, greed, self-pity, guilt, resentment, lies, false pride, superiority and ego. The other is the good wolf: joy, peace, love, hope, serenity, humility, generosity, truth, compassion and faith." The boy took this in for a few minutes and then asked, "Which wolf won?" His grandfather answered, "The one I feed." So, too, America's public life. The wolf that wins is the wolf we feed. Media provides the fodder.

We'll be back in just a bit with more about the media's role in America's public life and in this presidential campaign. But first, this is one of those times we remind you that you are the public in public broadcasting. This station needs your support and is waiting for your call. Thank you.

Very good article, and it is so true. I am sick of hearing the contempt in the voice of conservatives regarding liberalism. I had them talk shit in front of me, until I let them know I was a liberal... Needless to say, they shut up real quick.

What, your bomb belt start ticking or something?

Once again why is it that a draft dodging, three times divorced, drug addict convicted of forging prescriptions who is noted for taking vacations to places notorious for child sex is held in such high esteem by the party of family values rhetoric?

Don't they all hide behind rightousness while being as deviant, if not more, than any liberal? He speaks to them because he is them and they are him.

Besides, that fat fuck is ready to roll in the cash. Its his big come back and only he can rally the party as long as they tune into his show! Its the Clinton glory years all over for him on steroids with higher stakes. The next 4 to 8 years will decide if the GOP gets it together or finally fades away, not unlike the Whigs or any other party that played their cards wrong at the wrong time in history. If the stimulus suceeds or fails, the GOP is going to take a huge hit. Its up to them if its a fatal hit and would anyone really mourn their absence at this point? I don't side with the Democrats on alot of issues but I hate bullshit more than anything else and how it has made our government process next to inept. If they are gone it might be nice to have a brief period of no partisan bickering and bullshit.

What, your bomb belt start ticking or something?

No, you conservatives are pussies when you are actually standing face to face with me.

are you hudge?

Howard Stern!

Both him and Limbaugh make a living saying stupid shit to get a reaction for ratings.

Both him and Limbaugh make a living saying stupid shit to get a reaction for ratings.


Only problem with that is Howard Stern is on satellite radio and has been for years where ratings don't matter. Any entertainer or even newscaster cares about ratings that is the business they are in, I guess the difference with Stern is when he was on regular radio he admitted it, most others won't say it.

Another issue to keep in mind is that Stern says things to get a comic reaction vs Limbaugh says things to manipulate a political landscape.

I don't really care if you like Stern, you missed the point of my post as it was to point out that Limbaugh is nothing more than an entertainer that unfortunately a large swath of people, albeit low information people, look to Limbaugh for leadership in their lives.

No, you conservatives are pussies when you are actually standing face to face with me.

Oh I highly doubt that, you're just another tiny internet tough with a big mouth and an ego you just can't cash.

Please to not try and sell this shit here, had enough of "tufboyz".

Oh I highly doubt that, you're just another tiny internet tough with a big mouth and an ego you just can't cash.

Please to not try and sell this shit here, had enough of "tufboyz".

You obviously misunderstood. It isn't about me, it is the fact that most conservatives that talk about how evil liberals are instantly shut up when they realize they actually explained that hatred to a liberal.

Ahhh, guess I need my morning caffeine before I read today!

Only problem with that is Howard Stern is on satellite radio and has been for years where ratings don't matter. Any entertainer or even newscaster cares about ratings that is the business they are in, I guess the difference with Stern is when he was on regular radio he admitted it, most others won't say it.

Another issue to keep in mind is that Stern says things to get a comic reaction vs Limbaugh says things to manipulate a political landscape.

I don't really care if you like Stern, you missed the point of my post as it was to point out that Limbaugh is nothing more than an entertainer that unfortunately a large swath of people, albeit low information people, look to Limbaugh for leadership in their lives.

No, I got your post, but I think you missed mine, I agree with you. By 'ratings' I meant in a broader sense 'make money.'

And I wasn't putting Stern down, he's by far the more respectable of the two, I kinda feel bad bringing him down to Limbaugh's level.

Thought I read somewhere that even with the merger that the whole media Sterns uses to push his show is in trouble?

Thought I read somewhere that even with the merger that the whole media Sterns uses to push his show is in trouble?


It sure is, a drop in new car sales means a drop in subscriptions. It is also a discretionary spend and as we know...that has come to a grinding halt.

XM / Sirrius are hurting, but Stern will get renewed while they may get rid of Oprah and stuff.

XM / Sirrius are hurting, but Stern will get renewed while they may get rid of Oprah and stuff.

Stern actively promotes Sirius/XM off the air while Oprah and others don't.

Gingrich was disgraced, and lost his position of power.

Hyde was disgraced, and lost his position of power.

Delay was disgraced, and lost his position of power.

Lott was disgraced, and lost his position of power.

It is no wonder they kowtow to someone outside the political spectrum, even though he too has been disgraced. The difference is that he was not elected, and so can continue to make money for his employers regardless of his disgusting personal life.

It is a sad commentary that this man has made so much money by pedaling hate, and division, and negativity. Even more sad, in the aftermath of the Bush-Cheney debacle which left this country near bankrupt both financially and morally, there is still a substantial number of folks that feel more comforted by his words then by taking some time to learn about issues on their own. I refer to them as worthless lazy fucks, but that is just me.

Of course you shouldn't listen to me.

The point of me posting here isnt to convince anyone, or make people think like I do. I could give a shit.

I post here for the same reason I get my ass up at 5am and work out or play hoops after work. I post here to keep a mental sharpness about my ideas and opinions.

The fact is I, you, us, learn more from honest and thoughtful debate on this board than you could learn in a lifetime of listening to talk radio or watching Hardball. Some people cant do that and they leave, or they hide behind some tired troll persona and toss out lame cliched talking points, because if they REALLY invested themselves in a debate and put their actual opinions on, they are scared they might be wrong.

Ive been wrong a shitload in debating here. But ive learned something each time.

You are never going to get good at basketball shooting hoops alone all the time.

Of course you shouldn't listen to me.

The point of me posting here isnt to convince anyone, or make people think like I do. I could give a shit.

I post here for the same reason I get my ass up at 5am and work out or play hoops after work. I post here to keep a mental sharpness about my ideas and opinions.

The fact is I, you, us, learn more from honest and thoughtful debate on this board than you could learn in a lifetime of listening to talk radio or watching Hardball. Some people cant do that and they leave, or they hide behind some tired troll persona and toss out lame cliched talking points, because if they REALLY invested themselves in a debate and put their actual opinions on, they are scared they might be wrong.

Ive been wrong a shitload in debating here. But ive learned something each time.

You are never going to get good at basketball shooting hoops alone all the time.

Dead on, I may not ( hell usually don't ) agree with everyone here but I do learn quite a bit. It astounds me to hold conversations with folks outside this venue ( in real life etc ) and have them be totally clueless.

I'm a Sirius subscriber and love it, I don't even bother with terrestrial radio these days. I listen more for the music and the occassional funniness of DNR on OutQ. Since listening I've suffered losing programs I really enjoy, they don't make any attempts to hide that the company as a whole is hurting and they're changing formats constantly to appeal to a broader base. It is my opinon that the XM merger took waaaay too long and screwed them. I'll listen till it goes off the air or becomes some other company.

I'm a Sirius subscriber and love it, I don't even bother with terrestrial radio these days. I listen more for the music and the occassional funniness of DNR on OutQ. Since listening I've suffered losing programs I really enjoy, they don't make any attempts to hide that the company as a whole is hurting and they're changing formats constantly to appeal to a broader base. It is my opinon that the XM merger took waaaay too long and screwed them. I'll listen till it goes off the air or becomes some other company.


The music channels are great!

If you want to hear some crazy stuff check out Derrick and Romaine on sirius 109 or xm 98 M-F 6-10pm of course it's slanted towards the gay crowd but they have lots of straight folks who listen too. Wed. night's the dildo whisperer is hilarious :D

Watch Rush get a taste of his own medicine on national TV in 1990:

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