To avoid derailing the other thread: http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2008/04/17/20080417unamerican0417.html

This should scare the hell out of people, and no one here seems to really care. Curious what you all think.

One note - and granted, I haven't read the actual legislation, just the news article - but campus groups don't use public money. Universities are supposed to be a bastion of free speech, and these groups can be formed by anyone as long as they meet university criteria. Those criteria usually only prevent groups which pose some form of danger to individuals. I fail to see the value in prohibiting them. It reads like a bit of racist, elitist paranoia.

This turd's own measure is a perfect example of what he's allegedly trying to suppress.

Just to point out the humor as well - this is the same legislature who now forces us to post the Constitution and Bill of Rights in our classrooms. It is funny being forced to post documents proclaiming human rights, but I appreciate the free poster. I wonder if I can get another one to send to this guy?

AZ is in a pretty serious financial black hole, and our schools are regularly ranked near the bottom of states. Funding sucks, we're closing schools, and when I tell teachers in other states about our policies, they laugh at me. I wish these clowns would focus on the right issues.

Where is all the money going? My dad lives in Gilbert, where families are flocking. I'd imagine the tax base is pretty lush.

Where is all the money going? My dad lives in Gilbert, where families are flocking. I'd imagine the tax base is pretty lush.Got me on that one. I know that we spend less per student than most states, and that as property tax in an area increases, the legislature tends to assign less money to a district to even it out. My district, for example, is in a very affluent area, but we're one of the worst for salaries and school materials. The only funding my program receives from the district, outside of my salary, is an maintenance fund of about $1 per student, most of which I sink into auditorium repairs since the district won't fund that either. With our current budget problems, and the nation's economic situation being what it is, I foresee bad things in about two years from now.

"This should scare the hell out of people, and no one here seems to really care. Curious what you all think."

It only matters to those living in Arizona. There are 49 other states where that proposed legislation doesn't amount to a hill of beans. I can't buy beer in my state on Sunday. That law pisses me off more than Arizona's proposed legislation.

Maybe it reads differently to me then, and I'd be just as upset if I saw it anywhere else and it didn't directly apply to me. It's the way of thinking that worries me, that's been growing since 9/11. It's not just a matter of losing civil rights, but everything else that potentially goes along with words like, "Homeland Security," and "Patriot Act." Just the names of those, along with attitudes and actions that have been associated with each, is alarming. Coupling them with bills like the one in AZ puts us only a step away from thought police. To my way of thinking, anything that limits free speech is a threat. Censorship is a hard thing to stop when it gets going.