I saw an idea posted on another server board that I thought might be kinda neat. With Pali's trip down NAG memory lane now seems like a good time. I was wondering if anyone would be interested in making a Ayonae Ro Guild history post. Could perhaps sticky it.

It would contain something like all the guilds atleast major ones on the server and a few major acomplishments they had if any and what happened to them. Just an idea.

Might as well start this off:

Sphere of Transcendence - Only guild on Ayonae Ro that used over 120 people to kill Emperor Ssraeshza. Pretty sure they have folded, guess their members finally figured out they sucked.

Are you refering to SoT A or B Izin ?

Sweet!! Took exactly one post to get the first zinger in!! And here I was thinking it would take three posts!

All the server cry babies ended up in Eternal Wrath causing them to implode, sparking off a chain reaction with only the greatest of guilds left standing, RIP or what I like to call RoT..(Rest of Transcendence).

The end.

<3 Nekko.

From 0 to NAG in 60 seconds?

Well I'm glad to see this popping up.... I have been lurking but am more than willing to jump in once the thread heats up a little bit :)

This should be good !

I heard there's a pretty good thread about Landslide somewhere around here...

Going to reply to this anonymous negative reputation for my above post:

They were a great guild for a long time, you are a bitter asshole.Great guilds don't fail on Lord Inquisitor Seru with 80 people, having to call in reinforcements to bolster the numbers up to 96 to swarm him to death (This was during Planes of Power). Nor do they implement a feeder guild to get even more members for their zergs when they already have people sitting out during instanced raids.

Sure they might have gotten pretty far progress wise in open zones, then again just the mere presence of them in some zones lagged the server down to a crawl where mobs would only be hitting you every 10 seconds or so (Hi there, Plane of Water). How did they go in Plane of Time when they were limited, and I do mean limited down to 72 people? They went crap, they were hardly a great guild, all they showed was that if you threw enough people at a mob it would eventually die.

All the server cry babies ended up in Eternal Wrath causing them to implode, sparking off a chain reaction with only the greatest of guilds left standing, RIP or what I like to call RoT..(Rest of Transcendence).

The end.
This is fairly accurate.

"Fuck progress, let's go back to Plane of Time because I didn't get that one item i still wanted from there even though I raid twice a week and for 6months EW did nothing but Time"

I was wondering if anyone would be interested in making a Ayonae Ro Guild history post.

This history has many holes, because I can tell only one side of a three-part beginning, and even less of the multi-fauceted future.

For me, and for many, the history of Ayonae Ro began in Feerott. It was December of 2000, and there...were no guilds. Karana, Cazic Thule and Solusek Ro had all split and poured into Ayonae Ro, yet the GM's had not implemented a way of retaining guilds, and had not created new ones. We were a collective mass..and a collected mass of boredom.

Among the bored were representatives from Solusek Ro, my Alma-Mater <Phoenix> and some leftovers of <Destiny>. Karana brought with it <Nightmare Clan> and <Eternal Wrath>, and from Cazic Thule, <Coterie Nocturne>. Welcome to the Genesis of the server. There were many others, and more were formed shortly thereafter, but my memory focuses on my perspective, and it's progression.

Guildless, a pile of players gathered outside the entrance to the Plane of Fear. We were, to say the least, extremely uncoordinated. Everyone died. Repeatedly. On this first night of Ayonae Ro's history, Lady Dae arrived in GM form to announce to us that the zone was not bugged, we were just idiots and poor players. Some corpses were lost, some people servermoved back. We had a shaky start.

<Destiny>, while retaining a powerful presence on Solusek Ro as a result of only one major competitive guild remaining, died shortly thereafter on Ayonae. A number of it's members fled to <Scions of the Phoenix>.

<Scions> did not, however, last long either. Though the guild was largely successful in killing targets, there was endless internal conflict. Similarly, there is conflict as to who's fault it was that the guild disbanded. Ultimately, Nibble and Ibiza left to form Vea Victus (An unfortunate misspelling of the latin "Vae Victus", or "Woe to the Forsaken," mildly translated.) Others fled to Eternal Wrath, or the various other guilds which had sprouted up - Rest in Peace, Sphere of Transcendance, Vision.

I had left for Vision.

To be honest, my time in Scions was retardedly fortunate. I was Elgar, a level 54 wizard, not nearly acceptable by their requirements, but good friends ushered me along. When it split, I retired the character, and picked up Drakz.

Vision was a surprisingly powerful lower-upper class guild. Or perhaps higher-middle class. When it reformed with Vallis Scortor, it was entering NToV, and right behind RiP in accomplishments.

Vea Victus, however, was facing more problems. Again, the reasoning behind their downfall has considerably different viewpoints. I will withold my own opinions.

A late-night trip to solusek B reintroduced me to Mezmith, and a quick /guildstatus revealed something interesting... "Mezmith is the guildleader of Invictus Maneo". He had been in Vea Victus the day before.

I think I knew before the majority of the guild did. VV disappeared, and overnight became Invictus, with Fantor as their leader.

A few weeks later, my application to Eternal Wrath landed me a permanant and final home. Constantly confronting, insulting and bitterly defeating and being defeated by Ivm, Eternal Wrath's mutual hatred died out when we managed to kill Emperor Shrazzrea and enter Vhex Thall.

A few months later, I quit.

When I returned, a lot had changed. At this point, my wordly view of guilds depleted. I was too obsessed with my own character to even notice what happened around me, until we reached Quarm.

At this point, Eternal Wrath was a bit short of the adequate number of players to beat the encounter. We absorbed the majority of Mark of Honor, and defeated Quarm.

A few months later, Ldon came, and...I quit again, leaving online politics and annoyances behind me, as it was too difficult compounded with life.

Feel free to add in the holes, and re-word my interpretations. I've not nearly the capacity to remember everything, much less remember everything correctly.

There are three sides to every story. Yours. Mine. The Truth...
...and none of them...are entirely correct.

Always,
-Drakz Soulsnacks
www.elegyguild.com (http://www.elegyguild.com)

way to fuck up your own guild url drakz

www.elegyguild.org

oops, good point =(

Signature edited!

-Drakz Soulsnacks
www.elegyguild.org

ARo History:

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Drizzen ===OLleauric

<3 !

Where is the XA mud slinging????

Baltyn, you're obviously not paying TOO close of attention... Someone's "special" now.

I said it once, i'll say it again, RiP is the best of the best of what's left of the original ayonae guilds... :)

Most of the best guilds gave up imho because there are alot better games and stuff to do now than play EQ anymore. It's 6 years old and really showing it's age now. And with the server implosions, RiP isn't even number one anymore from what i gather with the higher Tribunal guilds in. (haven't been on much lately so correct me if i'm wrong please). RiP are good but with most of the server's best players and guilds gone now it really isn't worth it to compare anymore honestly....

But still, nothing beats the good ol' days of the IvM/EW/LS fights...Made the forums alot more interesting...hehe

This is my current intel on Tribunal Guilds:


--------------------------| Anguish | GoD | Time | EP | VT |
01.Sol Invictus___________|___OLD___|_____|______|____|__ __|
02.The Elitists___________|___OLD___|_____|______|____|__ __|
03.Rest in Peace__________|___NEW___|_____|______|____|____|
04.Landslide______________|_________|_OLD_|______| ____|____|
05.Dragon Army____________|_________|_NEW_|______|____|____|
06.Legendary Companions___|_________|_NEW_|______|____|____|
07.Requiem________________|_________|_____|_OLD__| ____|____|
08.The Death Squad________|_________|_____|_OLD__|____|____|
09.Fellowship of Dragons__|_________|_____|_OLD__|____|____|
10.Aurora Noctum__________|_________|_____|_OLD__|____|____|
11.Vallis Aspectus________|_________|_____|_OLD__|____|____|
12.Vis Veres______________|_________|_____|_NEW__|____|__ __|
13.Southern Legion________|_________|_____|______|_OLD|____|
14.Final Destiny__________|_________|_____|______|_OLD|____ |
15.Vengeance Thru Blood___|_________|_____|______|_OLD|____|
16.Valiant Crusaders______|_________|_____|______|_OLD|____|
17.Lost Fires_____________|_________|_____|______|____|_OL D|
18.Mithril Heart Brigade__|_________|_____|______|____|_OLD|

couple wrong points drakz. RiP was the 3rd guild formed on Sol Ro. Behind Bloodstone Templars and Scarab. Vision was a fully functional guild on Sol Ro too. Most of Coterie Nocturne joined/formed Casus Belli(a name sorely lacking from your history of aro). Casus Belli was an offshoot of Sphere of Transcendence which was a fully formed guild when they moved to aro too. You also left out the SoT, Scions of Phoenix/VV alliance.

I could go into Ibyza's cheating ways on nibble being the downfall of sop and vv, but we'l leave out the other names here except one was a member of sop/vv and the other was the guild leader of sot at the time.

I intentionally left out information about, or did not mention, guilds that I wasn't sure of their full history. For instance, I didn't mention Landslide, either.

To say Vision and Rest in Peace were a powerhouse coming from Solusek Ro would, however, be relatively innaccurate. While they remained intact and continue to perform as guilds today, their status as per progression at that point in time was rather limited. Again, my interpretation is from personal experience, which is going on 5 years of dusty memories.

As for Rest in Peace, Vision, and various alliances...that doesn't really factor into me being "wrong". I'm uncomfortable with this label, as I don't want people to feel that I harbor some intention against mentioning guilds I deem unimportant. For instance, I was a member of Rest in Peace for a rather long and enjoyable stretch of time, yet I've said almost nothing about them.

I encourage you, however, to help me fill in the missing pieces.

-Drakz Soulsnacks
www.elegyguild.org (http://www.elegyguild.org)

Palimax, i gotta say that chart is pretty much flawed.

Sol Invictus looks right, however The Elitists hasn't advanced past Jelvan in CoA so not sure if i'd call them "old"... RiP looks about right. Landslide is a dead guild thats now part of LC. DA is focusing more on OoW than GoD. LC is deep in to Txevu in GoD, so i'd call them more of "old". Requiem is more of a "new" GoD (as in ikkinz 1-3), they haven't really done time. TDS is kinda dead. FoD, i dont know. Aurora Noctum has rebeaten uqua so i'd classify them in GoD, not Time. Dont know / dont care about the others.

Those were the days of non instanced zones, /mourn. Vision was > than XA=Thana ownsU

Nekko, why aren't you playing on Elune with the rest of the Ayonae Ro Shadowknights =(

-Drakz

Cause Im still hooked :(

If you want to go far far back into sol ro history with RiP, they were THE original uber guild on Sol Ro. Paradigm was formed from disgruntled members of original RIP. So to say rip wasn't a powerhouse on Sol Ro is wrong. They weren't a powerhouse at the time of the server split, or immediately after the server split. 5 months into EQ though they were THE powerhouse guild on Sol Ro, with Phoenix being the second strongest Sol Ro guild of the day. This goes way back to the days of Sorn and such. Back before Jennre left Phoenix for Paradigm, etc. Vision has been basically the same type of guild for almost 6 years now, functioning below the level of the super high end guilds but above the level of the completely casual guilds. Vision did raid on sol ro, though not Trakanon type raids, and not full out Cazic Thule or Innoruuk raids. What does this have to do with aro? both of these were functional guilds for the entire lifespan of aro, and was credited by Drakz as being formed on aro but they are 2 of the oldest guilds still in eq, with their roots going all the way back to the first week or two of eq on an original beta eq server(that no longer exists). My point in all this was you said to correct you if someone saw flaws in your post. Saying that Vision and RIP were basically created on aro couldn't be any further from accurate.

and yes to me vallis aspectus is still Vision, to clarify my post

Well,

Saying that Vision and RIP were basically created on aro couldn't be any further from accurate.

I didn't exactly say that. By saying..
Others fled to Eternal Wrath, or the various other guilds which had sprouted up - Rest in Peace, Sphere of Transcendance, Vision.

By "sprouted up," I meant that they had become more prominent on the server, and were starting to absorb more members, while actively raiding more frequently. In essence, all guilds were "created" on Ayonae Ro, since no one's guild actually transferred over without having to reform. In no way do I mean to say that they were non-existant before the move. I had a lot of friends in both guilds before the split, heh.

So to say rip wasn't a powerhouse on Sol Ro is wrong.
Sure. Had I said that, I would be. Rather, I put it:
To say Vision and Rest in Peace were a powerhouse coming from Solusek Ro would, however, be relatively innaccurate. While they remained intact and continue to perform as guilds today, their status as per progression at that point in time was rather limited.

Instead, I was saying exactly what you reiterated, that
They weren't a powerhouse at the time of the server split, or immediately after the server split.

This thread is specifically based on the history of Ayonae Ro, and while those guilds played an important role on Solusek, and later functioned (or continue to function) as actively progressing guilds, they were not when the server split.

-Drakz Soulsnacks
www.elegyguild.org (http://www.elegyguild.org)

Cause Im still hooked

You are a disgrace to all of us =(
Though we all admittedly regret the lack of a harmtouch button.

-Drakz

while you continue to attempt to argue semantics. By your backpeddling now, there were NO advancing guilds then at the time of the merger. It took weeks if not a month or more before there was any real advancement coming out of our server. That doesn't mean that people weren't raiding, just not advancing. Just because you CHOSE to leave things out doesn't mean that you should have. Just because you don't LIKE being called wrong doesn't mean you weren't.

You are picking apart certain sentences of my post instead of reading the whole thing. I was in RIP at the time of the server split. We WERE still raiding even when we didn't have the guild tag. I left shortly after the merger to go to Scions of the Phoenix. I went through every break up through scions of the phoenix, to vv, to ivm's end at the end of aro. I honestly don't remember any level 54 wizard by the name you claim. But i still do remember Magna, Kinder, Umber, and many others.

I'm sorry to say it, but to me it sounds like you weren't completely in the loop, you don't like me filling in the gaps because you feel like its a slight to you. You asked for people to fill in gaps and correct mistakes, and then when I do, you get your panties in a bunch and try to argue semantics.

SoT was a strong raiding guild at the time they left their former server. You also include them in the guilds that sprung up. Your overview was for the most part very good, and was a good read. You asked people to fill in spots, spots I obviously know more about because I was involved in those situations(yeah I was actually even a member of Vision in August of 1999). Vision at the time of the merger, before and after and still to this day is the SAME style of guild that they were then. Sure they have more people now, but with how many people were playing eq then, i would venture to say not all that much more when you consider they have Vallis Scortor. Vallis Scortor WAS a raiding guild on sol ro, they did fear and hate many times (which for the most part WAS the raid content then). Sure they weren't a VP guild, but even at the time of the merger EW really wasn't a VP guild. The only real VP guild at the time of the merger was Coterie Nocturne and they didn't last a month after the merger because of huge ego problems.

We forgot the token mention of Dark Wind. and who can forget toV 1.0

Well, hell, we havent had a good nag post in months, so, here goes!

Look you little shit,
I argue semantics, because it's my day-job. The guilds I mentioned were the ones worth mentioning, because they amounted to the mainstream of the whole of the server, and its progression in the immediate future coming out of the server split. These guilds were the core of the entire server, and as I specifically said, they were from my perspective. My perspective is limited, and I admitted that from the beginning, you can't say that I'm "wrong" for only listing my side of the story, when I've admitted that is the extent of my knowledge, and when nothing I say is incorrect.

Oh wait, let me stop my Cary Grant movie, I'm nowhere near finished.

Though Magna is the one who got my application pressed through into Scions... I, coincidentally, have no idea who the fuck you are, either.

I will argue semantics all fucking day, especially when you do not correctly interpret what I have to offer. When I said fill in the holes, I was expecting a polite "Well, since you didnt mention CB, I'll elaborate. ____________"

Instead, I get a rather rude "You're wrong, sir, for leaving out this..this..this..and this..." Well put this in your diddy-bag, motherfucker:

I don't give a flying fuck through a rolling doughnut if you motherfucking founded every last god damned Solusek Ro guild, and Christopher Columbus'd them over to Ayonae Ro on your own.

But you can chalk this one up as a victory for the bard home-team, so you can tell the guys at the water cooler that you owned some fag on the internet last night.

-Drakz

Haha drakz just called himself gay. I guess all the times Oipunx and I told him so made it finally sink in

I'm watching Cary Grant movies.

Uh, hello!?
*snaps*

I'm watching Cary Grant movies.

Uh, hello!?
*snaps*
You are so gay.

Lol

Izin your not nice for talking like you did about SoT. :mad:
I have to say though...when we swelled to over a 100 ppl for Rathe council, it was some of the best times I ever had in the game. Nothing beats having that many people going after the same goal. I wished I still had my pics from those days. I would post them. :)

I remember being in awe of jennre and others way back when on sol ro when they had full rubicite and ghoulbanes, ect...hehe That was the time when bronze and similar was still considered great stuff for armor...

Ahhhh memories.. :)

If you want to go far far back into sol ro history with RiP, they were THE original uber guild on Sol Ro.

Umm. No.

Sorry Taleren. VVV was the big cock on Sol Ro until Paradigm eclipsed them US side and and Darkwind eclipsed them Euro time. PD killed Trakanon before VVV did and then they broke up during a disputed Inny kill with a guild called Magnus (which later got absorbed into Final Destiny after the split). RiP was not THE uber guild then and they stayed that way until the past year or so. Perhaps thats why they are still going strong today. The super ubers tend to get bored and implode after a while. Still that was a long time ago so my memory could be hazy. Heck, back then Vision was called something else that I can't remember for the life of me, but Vision was a name as a result of a guild merger. Maybe it was Sanctus Knights and Masters of Social Hunting.

Heck, back then Vision was called something else that I can't remember for the life of me, but Vision was a name as a result of a guild merger. Maybe it was Sanctus Knights and Masters of Social Hunting.

Forsaken Legion, Masters of Social Hunting and... maybe the third was Sanctus Knights.

Nekko, why do you like sluts so much?

Sluts need luving to.

sorry lummus, but RIP was the first guild to kill Lady Vox and Nagafen, I'm talking pre opening of hate and fear man. Sure VVV was something after that, but RIP was the first uber. VVV really has no place here either as they left eq even before the server split to go to DAoC. They are on eq2 now but many of them are starting up WoW as we speak as well. VVV was quite a strong guild though before they left for DAoC and was the strongest guild on sol ro for a time.

and to the fucker who feels the need to insult my wife when she has nothing to do with this (normally I dont' give a rats ass about reputation but bringing my wife into a bad rep hit is just poor form) you can certainly go fuck yourself. What good does anonymously insulting my wife in a rep hit do for you? does it make you more of a man? You jealous over something trivial i've accomplished in a video game over you? You're probably just jealous because you were sitting at your pc alone on a friday night beating off when I have a nice looking wife to log off too.

sorry lummus, but RIP was the first guild to kill Lady Vox and Nagafen

It's been a long time, but I am pretty sure that the first vox kill went to Heroes of the Seven Suns. Back when Alchy and folks were in it.

you actually might be right about HoSS, though they moved to Druzzil Ro very early on.

What a long, strange trip it's been .......:cool:


And I would have sworn DAoC came out about a year after the server split, since my son was messing about with some Vallis folks until he got banned on Sol Ro for talking back to a GM; he then talked me into starting to play when ARo got started and he created a new toon here, and he left almost a year later when DAoC hit the stores.

Or were you talking about folks going to the beta DAoC?

Those first kills were joint kills. Neither Vox nor Nag died to a single guild first on SolRo.

Norraths Mystical legions .....
Biggest Guild Blunder = Ice Claw =)
Hey lets make an all Barbarian guild.. too bad we can't raid anything cause we have no frickin Clerics !!!!!
But I.C. did spawn some great players ....

Conclave of Wizards was an even bigger blunder. At least Ice Claw had healers =(

-Drakz

Ha.. remember the guild war CoW had in Gfaydark ?? That was a blast.. I was in CoW with my Wizard... Yensid for a bit..

Dude whats up, this is Elgar =p

-Drakz

You are probably right, Taleren. I didn't get in on EQ until January 2000. Mdar/Craznik bought me a copy of EQ in November 1999 as a pre-Xmas gift since I went to LA for 2 months and wasn't going to be around. After that I delayed on installing it because I got alot of warnings from people on how completely addictive the damn game was. So, I missed out on all that and have that 5-6 month void. Hehe, I have continued that tradition of not being around for 6-7 months to this day. :p Mostly what I got out of Sol Ro was there was alot of germans spewing alot of "huhu" on public channels there and never got into the whole raiding thing until after Kunark. Then Sebilis was THE shit hot place to be. It still took me almost 8 months to get to lvl 50 and even longer to hit 60. I was a member of all those guilds mentioned in my post though, starting with MOSH. Even Vision. Thus that is my reference and my story and I am sticking to it, gawddammit!

Landslide:

A couple of months after release an all-swedish guild called Svearike was formed by a strange fellow named Pheus. The guild was friendly and extremely casual in nature. Back in july Ranina and myself joined the guild. We all leveled up, slowly (took me a year to hit 50), and when Kunark was released I split to an up and coming uber guild called Mystical Legacy, which completely borked, but that's another story.
Landslide was eventually formed out of the hardcore players of Svearike due to an internal uprising led by a paladin named Aask. They reformed as an european guild with loftier goals, but never really accomplished anything. They transfered to Ayonae Ro as a completely functional guild and soon started recruiting. I joined Eternal Wrath instead.

After some shaky progression Landslide was catching up to the other guilds by entering WToV shortly after NToV had been conquered by EW. They were now led by Ranina. They kept gaining momentum through the release of Luclin with what was mostly a casual crew, slowly nibbling at the heels of the then pantheon of raiding guilds, eventually "catching up" by the time PoP was launched. In PoP Landslide nibbled at the heels (always being at least 2 planes behind) the groundbreaking crew of the server, until finally emerging as the 3rd uber guild of the server after EW and IvM when they reached the EPs before EW progressed into Time, or IvM had conquered Xegony. This was largely due to an immense advantage due to how the patches were scheduled. Euro players always had first pick on bosses.

A short history on the uber-guild conflict of the server, Velious era.
At the time of the split 3 uber guilds hit the ground running on the new realm. Darkwind, from Solusek Ro, was a european powerguild who were second in power on their old realm.
Coterie Nocturne were, as far as I've gathered, considered the assholes of their server and broke off in order to start off new as a dominating power guild.
Eternal Wrath you all know of. These puppies were sick of the spawn rotation on Karana, and it's been mostly through their detest of the concept of "sharing" that the server became "free for all".

Aaaanyway, to make a long story short. Dorkwind got the first Velketor kill, we got the rest (Tantor for the win, baby). Coterie broke to pieces and formed Casus Belli, only to wipe on Flurry drakes repeatedly in front of us in NToV. DW eventually split to Antonius Bayle. EW entered ST and released the Sleeper just to piss IvM off.

The end.

good history of LS, didn't know it went back that far!! I'd like to see a pre-aro history of EW if anyone has it, would be very interesting to me :)

i was an officer in ice claws,the first guild i ever joined.
giladdar the leader of it, sent me a guild invite and i hit yes,not knowing what it meant lol.
the guild had well over 400 barbarians in it,over its 1 and a half year lifespan.think every newb barbarian on old Sol Ro was a member at one point or another.
they had a alliance with conclave of wizards and the guild Union(which did have clerics hehe).the raids on permafrost with a 100 barbs jumping on an ice giant,in a vain hope of taking it down,was hilarious.back then raids were done for the total fun of it,there was never really any talk about loot.
ice claw fell apart in august of 2000,the core officers and members were absorbed into the guild Vision,which had just formed not long before from a merger of four other guilds.
a few months later the server split happened,a couple weeks after the release of Velious. Vision made its way to the new server Aro.
absorbing Wolf pack and some other small guild (the name eludes me) along the way.
the last big raids Vision did before it poofed was IV.back then it was a huge kill at the time.
but the dreaded summer months killed our turnout for raids, forcing us to make an alliance with EA,something we wound up regreting.
EA and its "lets gimp FDs klandicar" started to sour our alliance til eventually we started doin raids without each other,even comming to blows over klandicar and havin em gimp our mob at 1%,though it didnt work the following time,when they trained themselves and blamed it on thana.
the funny drawing with thana luring another dragon with bread crumbs to EA as there fighting klandicar,came out of that.

after a couple more months doing joint DoZ kills with VS,Vision fully merged with vallis scortor to become Vallis Aspectus.which means "Valley of the Vision".old vision is gone,it slowly faded away leavin a small core that still actually plays today.since most have retired/other games,or went to other guilds.to this day Vision was the best guild i was a part of,with over 3 years of fond memories of it.

the last big raids Vision did before it poofed was IV.back then it was a huge kill at the time.
but the dreaded summer months killed our turnout for raids, forcing us to make an alliance with EA,something we wound up regreting.
EA and its "lets gimp FDs klandicar" started to sour our alliance til eventually we started doin raids without each other,even comming to blows over klandicar and havin em gimp our mob at 1%,though it didnt work the following time,when they trained themselves and blamed it on thana.
the funny drawing with thana luring another dragon with bread crumbs to EA as there fighting klandicar,came out of that.

after a couple more months doing joint DoZ kills with VS,Vision fully merged with vallis scortor to become Vallis Aspectus.which means "Valley of the Vision".For starters, XA never gimped anyone elses Klandicar kill. We waited for the guild fighting to wipe, and then killed him. So try and cry foul as much as you want, the guild that was fighting him lost all rights to complain about our killing tactics as soon as their last person on his hate list died.

Thana training us was never proven, but it was the most likely thing that happened. We had roughly mid 20's in zone, and were engaged with Klandicar, the only other person in the zone from memory was Thana. From over the ridge of the valley, coming from the Temple of Veeshan entrance direction comes a massive amount of dragons which then proceeded to annihilate us. We have had some douche bag members, some who even petitioned other guild members and got them banned (Hi 'Clan Fahpah', who now claim residence in Vallis Aspectus) - but we never blatantly trained other guilds, let alone ourselves during a kill. There are a number of threads around here that show of Thana's shady history in regards to mobs suddenly appearing on top of guilds/groups heads.

As for the alliance turning sour, well it was bound to happen - Your guild leader skipped out on raids to watch Final Destiny kill Dozekar, and then followed it up with kicking up a fuss in regards to doing North Temple of Veeshan. During the NToV raid the server crashed just after we had pulled Eashen of the Sky, resulting in corpse run/summons, which we were then informed that your guild leader wouldn't help out with the summons, probably about 30-40% of which were his own guild members (He was a necromancer) since 'we decided to go to NToV, so get your own corpses' (This is roughly what I remember being said, it's not an exact quote but it gets the right meaning).

The reasons for that became quite clear a few days later, since faction must have been important for you when the very next day into the alliance you went off with Vallis Scortor to kill Dozekar (It was the Dozekar spawn from the server crash), and then had the audacity to complain when we killed Zlandicar solo, saying we were breaking the alliance.

Then there was also the whole thing in regards to Cazic Thule, we spent a few hours clearing the plane, and then called in Vision for help with Cazic - which in turn you then demanded first pick of his loot (It was brain, robe and shoulders). We offered you the robe and shoulders, since we had been the ones that cleared the plane that was a more than fair offer. But no no no, you had to have the brain, even though you had been there for all of about 30 minutes. At the end of it, XA looted looted the brain with around one minute left. The robe and shoulders were to be taken by vision, your guild leader quickly snatched the robe, and the shoulders were to be looted by one of your members (Might have been you? All I can remember about who was to loot them was that it was a barbarian warrior, I think Vision had two main barbarian warriors), but well since you had spent more time arguing about who was going to loot what, then what you spent in the zone to kill him, they rotted (wink wink, the corpse disappeared with one second left).

Then again, one shouldn't really expect much of the truth regarding Exiled Alliance from someone like yourself Allamar. Did you enjoy having your hissy fit when we wouldn't let you loot your third, or was it fourth primal weapon when some of our keyed members (Vision and Exiled Alliance had a total of around 18-20ish keyed members at this stage) had none during our early morning Sleepers Tomb runs?

As for the alliance turning sour, well it was bound to happen - Your guild leader skipped out on raids to watch Final Destiny kill Dozekar, and then followed it up with kicking up a fuss in regards to doing North Temple of Veeshan. During the NToV raid the server crashed just after we had pulled Eashen of the Sky, resulting in corpse run/summons, which we were then informed that your guild leader wouldn't help out with the summons, probably about 30-40% of which were his own guild members (He was a necromancer) since 'we decided to go to NToV, so get your own corpses' (This is roughly what I remember being said, it's not an exact quote but it gets the right meaning).You guys keep telling this story, like it's some sort of knock against me, and you keep saying raids (plural) when it's just not the case. At the time, there's a couple things to remember. (a) Dozekar was a big target for this guild, and watching him, even if only to get a kill time, was important to us. (b) I'm a busy man. I had an infant daughter and a job. I logged in after work, where I had camped, in ToV, feigned, and gave some updates on Dozekar while I took care of more important things than EverQuest around the house [like my daughter]. -- Or at least that's what I recall today. I'm sure the incident might be in the archives somewhere, and they might provide more details. But, if putting your family above your guild, and your guild above strangers is wrong, I don't wanna be right.

I think Vision had two main barbarian warriorsAt the time, we had numerous barbarian warriors. It was a bit of a running joke. We had shamans and warriors galore. Allamar was, at the time, however, our "main" tank.

For starters, XA never gimped anyone elses Klandicar kill.Yes, after everyone was dead, you engaged a debuffed, slowed, low-health dragon. For EA, that was "fair play."

*shrug* I tried to post some amusing old nags. Good job getting all butt-hurt on 3 year old news.

By saying you had two main barbarian warriors, I meant that from memory both allamar and your back up main tank were barbarians. After those two the other warriors were basically just there for damage per second/illusion of someone being able to tank if those two went down.

Yes, after everyone was dead, you engaged a debuffed, slowed, low-health dragon. For EA, that was "fair play."

Nod, for everyone that is fair play. I am more disagreeing with people labelling it 'Final Destiny's Klandicar', or 'our Klandicar'. You wiped so you have no claim to that mob what so ever anymore, if another guild picks up the scraps it's tough luck.

Even with that said, I am sure most guilds around that level during that time period wiped on Velketor the Sorcerer atleast once, and if you didn't, lets say you did. Now he regens very, very slow, lets for argument sake say you wiped at 20%. When you finish up the corpse run, buff up and he was at 45%, would you wait for him to regen back up to 100%, Malo to fade if it was still on etc? I am sure you wouldn't.

Now you might call that gimping, but I prefer to think of it as taking advantage of a good situation. Since Klandicar doesn't have his debuffs wiped clean when he resets, I am positive every guild out of Final Destiny, Vision and Exiled Alliance has used one of the others debuffs on him at one point in time. You could have recast the debuffs you say? Well we could have redone that damage, all in all we are all guilty of the same thing in various aspects. Also, for the record when you wiped at 11% and we killed him, he wasn't slowed :(.

if I ever get the urge to log in again, I can still get into ST :rolleyes:
And I still have a couple AP weapons banked, never gonna ditch those. I remember fighting through the upper levels of ST before we got a Mage parked. That was some impressive teamwork. Good times, indeed.

Nod, for everyone that is fair play.The difference between us nd everyone else, I guess.

For Taleren
On Karana EW was a tight nit group of people that that i hand selected, most of our first raids consisted of doing seb jugs with 10-12 people. EW's core split off a guild named Valoran who was the top guild on Karana at the time, i was GL of it when i left, the officers in it were asses. Valoran still went on, but never really accomplished anything. It was formally lead by Mythias who split to Terris thule when Karana first had chance to server move. He then switched mains to Videer, who lead a uber guild called Valon (Orginal i know)

Before i formed EW i was leading some raids on Venril Sathir with a assortment of different wizards and pure melee from all different guilds. Anyways move forward some months EW is formed and we have our eyes set on Trakanon, however we only have a roster of maybe 20 members, so we form a alliance with a guild called Nightmare Clan to work togeather to take him down. There was also a huge guild called Grey Hawke (who basically controlled the Karana guild central rotation system.) Their strategy consisted of sending 90 people in waves of 30, they still lost every time. We kill Trakanon, Nightmare clan does something later that pisses me off, we ditch them, and kill trakanon on our own. Our free reign on Trakanon, and the outdoor Kunark dragons begins to become contested and want-to-be-KGC targets, we say fuck it and move to A-ro.

To cover some stuff Kivorn missed..

The first day on A-ro we were scared shitless by CN's fast mobiziation on killing VS then right to Trakanon, even i was thinking about having some regrets in moving.
CN and Darkwind formed a rotation on Trakanon and excluded us from it, so we camped in one night for 20 hours till he spawned and killed him heh.
Velious comes out Darkwind and CN are both morons and go Dragon faction, while we have free reign to master Zland/Klandicar and begin farming sleeper keys while they dick aorund in HoT. By the time they got a clue CN was way far behind and began to crumple. Darkwind being European and having the time zone advantage(tm) managed to stay competitive with us. Once SoE announced the European were allowing free transfers the next patch day everyone in EW skipped work/school and cleared ToV at 8 am, to help them with their decision. Those were the real 'golden' days of EW.

the end

Dead on Driz....

I remember both crucial days with EW and new Ayonae Ro. Staying on and contesting spawns was indeed golden...

Fandros

Its also important to note in A-ro history that LS beat IVM to AoW with only 1 prior attempt! :devil

Haha, I remember someone being like, "Where's AoW?" Then Drizzen showed up with it and like nobody knew it was coming.

sorry lummus, but RIP was the first guild to kill Lady Vox and Nagafen

It's been a long time, but I am pretty sure that the first vox kill went to Heroes of the Seven Suns. Back when Alchy and folks were in it.

Alchadizaar was my hero back when i was a newb with his rubicite and his yaks.

Oh and if in a shit throwing contest, whatever guild I first joined when Ayonae was first made got broken up when Scarabae left and lied to a bunch of people to get them to leave too, basically killing the guild.

I cant remember the name of the guild for the life of me. Guess that goes to show how much of a spiteful son of a bitch I am, to remember who to hate, but not all the details of why I hate 'em.

Is it me or what started as a good idea, almost when flame fest style, is now going on in a quite mannered way?

Or we are all old, or we are all friends, and I wonder what is the scariest. :cool:

Alchadizaar was my hero back when i was a newb with his rubicite and his yaks.
Back when the yaks looked like swords, not boomerangs ;)

http://home.earthlink.net/~jim_howard/_uimages/Naggy.jpg

omg, Grey Hawke. I remember seeing that tag back on Karana. Jeebus that was a long time ago.

Ahhhh Grey Hawke...

Meatgrinder Wave 3 gooOoOooo!!!

I was in the infamous NightMare Clan prior and post server move. I recall one time long long ago when Mooshi, or was it Dyschord, arranged to have GH come help us during a really nasty Fear break(we all loved the old days!!).

I kid you not, that group of miscreants led by none other than Stormbeard himself would encounter each set of critters EXPECTING to lose almost 50% of their corps. They perfected battle rez's if nothing else.

The game became so much more interesting the day we got away from that blasted KGC /spits. Getting one shot at a target , be it Fear/Hate or one of the newer Kunark Targets once every 2 weeks if we were lucky was ASS.

Reason Ayonae Ro was at the forefront of alot of the content was simple. You fought and worked your ass off to get your target down. None of this bullshit of catering to failure such as a rotation system did.

Of course, I just as much despise the instanced version of target welfare system they use now.

Fandros

Elothir was obviously discussing strategy with you, huh Blearchie?

I mean..hon =p

-Drakz

Who else were big on Karana back in the day a couple months before the split? There was <Grey Hawke>, <Valoran>, <Sky Raiders>, and one other decently big one that I can't seem to recall... anybody else remember?

Triskelle!!! hmmm now I'll have to go back and check muh notes. Drawing a blank on the names of guilds attempting to blackmail us ( Nightmare Clan and Eternal Wrath) into playing their lame reindeer games...

Fandros

Just a slight correction in the XA/VA problem with the CT loot. I was the one awarded the shoulders, but since CT was on top of a tree and I was unable to loot (with ten seconds or less till poof) Legios (I think that was his name) looted with 1 sec till poof.

Man was I bitter! I think I had been passed over in favor for Duglas on a Willsapper the day before! heh

Krayton

Shadowed Fates, uh, Triskell, Some japanese guild was pretty big, expecially when they all merged. I think there may of been a couple other semi large guilds but cant recall names

There was that large coop guild that was big in enforcing the rotation as well.

Fandros

Ahhhh Grey Hawke...

Meatgrinder Wave 3 gooOoOooo!!!

I was in the infamous NightMare Clan prior and post server move. I recall one time long long ago when Mooshi, or was it Dyschord, arranged to have GH come help us during a really nasty Fear break(we all loved the old days!!).

That was all Mooshi/Volero. I wanted nothing to do with Greyhawke :devil

GH4LIFE! :devil

Nice thread brings back some good memories, and bad as well. GH was pissed EW would "borrow" some of their wiz's to take down VS (the "big" mob at that time). I remember refusing to res GH folks due to them refusing to let EW borrow a few wiz's. Wasn't it NC that went against rotation and was in Fear and it started a whole ruckus?

and btw...SpankMyFanny!

Squish! *hugs* You still play hun?

GH4TL

I remember we went and killed Nagafen for Triskell so Nightmare clan wouldn't get it since they were breaking the rotations. This will haunt me for the rest of my life, helping the french and all :(

Btw Dyschord, do you still have that screenshot of the Ssara Emperor room with a certain GM message being announced that you had for your Magelo background for a while? :P

SQUISH!!!! /hug /Spank =)

Selwen *hugs*! I haven't played in some time. My business is booming (thank god) and am in the midst of a move to a new home. At this point I do not see me having the time to put into a game like EQ or EQ2. I miss all my friends though, and the fun that we all had together.

I saw this thread, and saw "The Rake's" post and it brought back memories of the Karana server, and of the new friends of the ARo Server ... so just had to post. Was funny to see The Rake's aka Drizzen's other post on this thread, for a man of a few words on game, was a nice lengthy post. :p

Despite what some have said, Darkwind ( DW being thier third or fourth name? The Thirteen Moons was one of them, bonus points for people who remember some others ) was the only thing close to being classified as an 'uber' guild that came from Solusek Ro. The people that eventually formed, through several iterations, Invictus Maneo, might have been number 2 on Ay Ro after DW left, and they may have given EW a couple little runs, but they were never really that close, imho.

RiP was a minor guild at the time of the move. Certainly old, but most of the original people that made them a small power house for a time either joined Paradigm or moved with HoSS to Druzzil Ro during the first split. Remember no one formed uber guilds the first week of the game, in fact many, many guilds on Sol Ro were themed like Ice Claw ( all barb )/Erud's Elite ( all Erudites )/Shaol ( first all DE, then all evil ). When RiP was killing dragons in original release they still had a lot of level 25-35 types also. That was one of Sorn's big gripes and reason he made a move to form PD to go head to head with HoSS.

Vision was never a power house, everytime they got good movement, something held them back. It is worth to note, that at one point Vision and RiP were at about the same level in terms of content. I remember killing Rhags\IV early in Luclin, then was out of game for some family reasons and when I came back when PoP came out, Vision hadn't stepped foot in Ssra in months ( merger happened right around this point ). Many of the more active Vision/Vallis members wound up in the big four at some point in time.

Fil

Der Dunkel Pact

Sssssssorn was and will always be a retard. I'll never forget his retarded Tunare strategy.

Sssssssorn was and will always be a retard. I'll never forget his retarded Tunare strategy.
And Arch Lich is harder than AoW!

/chuckle

Aye Driz twas ya'll that intially thwarted our attempt to buck the system. Even tho I knew from my contacts in EW at the time that some of ya'll were cheering us on. ;P

I really can't remember how Mooshi/Dys/Myself/Barnard and the rest of the officer corps came up with the idea to throw a big ole monkey wrench into the KGC. Methinks it was a late night exp group and much fermentation. ;P

Ahhh Sorry bout that Dys, was so long ago I couldn't remember who brought GH in. I remember you hated them as much as I did tho heh

SqqquuuiisshhhhMeGently!!

OINK!!

Fandros

Good post Driz. Gave me some new knowledge since I didn't join you guys until you did your hardcore Velious recruit drive (Zabab, Cinn, Edeina, myself, etc).

Despite what some have said, Darkwind ( DW being thier third or fourth name? The Thirteen Moons was one of them, bonus points for people who remember some others )

Der Dunkle Pakt -> The Twelve Moons -> The Thirteen Moons -> Darkwind

Btw Dyschord, do you still have that screenshot of the Ssara Emperor room with a certain GM message being announced that you had for your Magelo background for a while? :P

Hah. Not on my hard drive any longer, but probably on an image host still somewhere :devil

I really can't remember how Mooshi/Dys/Myself/Barnard and the rest of the officer corps came up with the idea to throw a big ole monkey wrench into the KGC. Methinks it was a late night exp group and much fermentation. ;P
Fandros

I remember that conversation...it was in front of the Fear Portal, and it was in fact very late at night ~

Squish is right though...it began with NC jumping into Fear Plane out of rotation. :devil

I remember that conversation...it was in front of the Fear Portal, and it was in fact very late at night ~

Squish is right though...it began with NC jumping into Fear Plane out of rotation. :devil

Good times, good times!!

And by gods we shook it up for awhile. With many folks from the big mafia guilds attempting to blackball ( training our members, refusing them groups etc etc) us.

/toast

Hope all is well with the NC alums as well as with all those that bore the EW tag.....

Fandros

Nothing really to add but just saying Hey to all the EW that popped in.

With the exception of the Jokers, you all sucked hard.


Ah, some memories.

the Jokers

were barely a footnote

Hahaha.

were barely a footnote

Harsh. So harsh.

Obviously we are forgetting the most important if not the best guilds to ever grace ayonae ro, <Muffin Squad> <LOELZ> and <Flower Gatherers> srsly u guys shld kno.:confused::confused::confused:

Muffin Squad was the second guild in tacvi.

Muffin Squad was the second guild in tacvi.
They beat IvM to almost every locked GoD zone.

RIP Lohan's boobies? oh, em, gee, Kiv. Please tell me nothing bad happened to them!

she removed her implants.

Much love for Nightmare Clan. I miss those day as they were truly fun pissing off an entire server to prove a point. But don't forget the true instigator...Zfalcon and Raving Lunatics. Zfalcon didn't last long enough to make the move but he lead to the creation of Nightmare Clan.

Errr not really. Mooshi formed NC when he and I and quite a few others got tired of this lil russian rogues bullshit in errrr gods I can't remember the name of the guild.

Fandros

Nightmare clan > all, nuf said - still love our gift to karana just before we split, we killed CT in PoFear out of turn !! omgosh :o such great days

Yeah we formed NC out of RL but it was Zfalcon who firsted started all the mischief with the KGC. He did things like "scheduling" lower guk for raids and just generally being a nag to guilds like GayHawke.

Wasn't that the rogue that followed us on the Nagafen kill we stole from the French and was the only person who died there?

Yeah lol forgot all about that.

Fandros

I remember seeing drizzen and sithgear yelling for sand giant groups in oasis in their lower 30's when my wizard was 50 (Benjamyn gnome wiz)

Damn those memories!
avatars of doom were first
then raving lunatics
valoran
then eternal wrath born.

etc..etc..etc..
Loksley
Retired-Casus Belli (ayonae ro)
Retired-silver order/shadowed fates/titans tribunal at the birth of Karana

Didn't Rathsilver-something-or-another start Valoran?

Maybe that was Valorian...Valorium... something like that.

...Rathsilveraxe. That was his name. Wonder what ever happened to that guy. I know he stayed on Sol Ro instead of switching to Ayo Ro.

Mythias left The Combine and started Valoran.

and Zfalcon left Valoran and formed Raving Lunatics

Someone mentioned The Combine :D

Zfalcon was the High Elf who had a lock on the jewelry market for a long time, right?


CN and Darkwind formed a rotation on Trakanon and excluded us from it, so we camped in one night for 20 hours till he spawned and killed him heh.

Once SoE announced the European were allowing free transfers the next patch day everyone in EW skipped work/school and cleared ToV at 8 am, to help them with their decision. Those were the real 'golden' days of EW.


Such good memories... two of my favorite moments in EQ (even though I screwed up the Trakanon thing and fell asleep on my keyboard like an hour before he spawned). Killing Vulak for around 50 times in a row before we let anyone else touch him was great fun as well. I'll be hard pressed to ever find another guild that has the kind of dedication from its members to get feats like that accomplished again. Although currently it's difficult to find a game that invokes such situations; I really hate instanced content. :mad: It's interesting seeing Drizzen mention being scared when CN wiped out VS and Trak that first day very quickly... I remember being extremely upset and wondering if we'd made a huge mistake. Personally I think that thing when we camped Trakanon overnight was a big turning point for the server. CN and DW gave us zero respect before that... if we hadn't put our foot down that time, I think the guild history on Aro would have been massively different.

Ahhhh 50 times clearing NTOV, and no Warrior drop from that rat bastard...

Yes yes, twas good times...

Fandros

What's the plab? Moce to the put! Nibble was the best.

Ok, one of you karana originals fill me in on Combine's history. I was still pretty new to the eq world, but I at one time thought Combine was one of the big guilds on Karana for a while. (I even thought Mooshi was in that guild, I worked for the same company as mooshi in RL and thought I heard he was in combine at the time)

Gamed with Mooshi quite a bit, and to be honest I'm unsure if he was in Combine or just disliked'em.

Tell Mooshi howdy for me, that big ogreish ho!!

Fandros

Titan's Tribunal is where it all started on Karana. Titan's Tribunal was an original guild from beta that formed upon the startup of Karana. Hi2u Benjamyn/Loksley. It later mostly folded and became a casual guild with Rogiere leading it. A lot of the Titan's Tribunal members left and joined The Combine. I was in The Combine with Mooshi's wizard who I can't remember for the life of me. I left The Combine when it folded and joined Silver Order. Silver Order was lead by Vann and had about half of The Combine's members. Silver Order puttered out and I joined Zfalcon in Raving Lunatics just because he was such a damn prick and so funny about it.

Zfalcon was indeed the man who owned JC on Karana and made a killing doing it.

Andren I think was the wizzies name.


Fandros

Here's a dirty rundown of Combine's history, which is most likely largely inaccurate and missing tons of details due to my memory loss.

The guild was started by Kaleonn, who ebayed in frustration after various BS involving killing Dragons and arguing with GMs. Combine just wouldn't be Combine without him though and he came back as Deyth. Sometime after that I joined and Combine got the server first kills on Nagafen and then Lady Vox. I can't remember about the gods, but I'm going to go ahead and assume that Combine got the server firsts on Cazic and Inny as well. At some point during all this, a Druid named Mythias left The Combine and started Valoran, and the guilds were rivals in terms of killing content for a good while. Since it got to the point of being ridiculous in terms of stepping on eachother to get kills, eventually the Karana Guild Central was formed, which in its original incarnation was innocent enough, but it came to embody all that was unholy and evil on Karana. Jesus, nothing will stunt a servers progress like a nice rotation schedule... But I digress... Eventually Deyth got frustrated with the game and left again, this time he was certain he would never return to it and so The Combine was disbanded in Everquest. This happened during the first week that the Plane of Sky was opened, and many of us logged on in the middle of a raid zone finding ourselves guildless. Vann stepped foward and formed Silver Order, which was most of the Combine members but under vastly different leadership. You have to understand that when Combine was called a dictatorship, it was absolutely that. There was zero questioning Deyth or your ass was out on the street. There was no talking in guildchat for instance, I still remember with amusement when Deyth demanded that not another person say a single word... of course one of our Druids decided to be "funny" and said something... he was deguilded in a second. It may sound lame but I loved it. Knowing exactly what was expected of you, and what would happen if you didn't perform up to the leaders expectations, made for a very disciplined guild; albiet with a high turn-over rate. If I'm not mistaken, Valoran basically sprung from people who didn't want anything to do with Deyth's style of leading a guild. With the militant approach that existed within Combine, we were quite hated on the server. I'll look back fondly on those times when we were considered the assholes of the server, and people would attempt to blacklist us from everything. We had quite the reputation, and people literally despised anyone who had the tag. This was mostly propagated by the ruthlessness at which we would take and kill content, and also our refusal to sell items outside the guild. I'd say we all got a bit of a kick out of it though and fed the fires a bit from time to time. I've never had the chance to play again as a group that's been really hated... and I'll admit to missing that a bit http://www.ayonae.ro/images/smilies/wink.gif Regardless though, Vann started Silver Order, and while it was all basically the same people, the guild had a much softer and more accepting approach. It was no longer a dictatorship by any means, and we lost the reputation as being assholes as well. I've got to say Vann was a great guy, and he really stepped up big time... Trying to fill the leadership role of a guild that had been accustomed to Deyth was no simple task I'm sure. We had a pretty good run and were the server leaders for awhile, but eventually leadership problems arose. I forget if Vann just got burned out, or if he had some real life issues going on... it might have been some of both, but regardless he wasn't logging on much, and with any uber-guild you can imagine that would cause problems. Eventually it came to a boiling point and two factions within Silver Order split off to form new guilds. One of which I don't remember the name of was led by the mega-prick Ariell / Blap, who had been kicked out of Silver Order shortly before, but still hung around watching our raids in a really pathetic manner. A more contemptable person from Everquest I can't remember.... truly someone with the aura of a jackass. Anyway he nabbed about half of the members of Silver Order, and they took the first server split off of Karana shortly thereafter. The other half of the guild ended up in Shadowed Fates, led by Diamynd. Their departure from Silver Order is what really broke the guild, everyone else ended up deguilding that night basically. Even though I was immediately offered a guild invite with them, I turned them down... I'd felt quite slighted at the time, as I considered them good friends, and they didn't include me in their plans when they originally decided to do all this, and only told me about it after they had done it. Basically I became one of the very few people who didn't get picked up by either of those two split-off guilds. I have zero clue what happened to Ariell / Blap's guild, or if they still exist. Shadowed Fates on the other hand seems to be still doing very well for themselves in World of Warcraft, here's their website: http://www.shadowedfates.net/
Anyway to kind of wrap things up on my path through EQ history here... I decided soon after that to apply to Valoran, and through what I can only assume was based on my friendship with Meril, and that I was one of the few strong players available after Silver Order's breakup, they let me skip the application process and made me a member instantly. That was almost a complete restart for myself, as until that point I had only known Combine people in my time in EQ. My time spent in Valoran was short-lived though, due to some leadership shakeups. Mythias seemed like a nice guy in the limited time that I got to know him, and I have to say during my time in Valoran he was extremely kind to me. But he left to persue other things, and ended up leading a new guild named Valon on a different server. Eventually Valoran ended up in Avasheon's hands, who still leads it to this day I believe. However a growing number of people in the guild were becoming discontent with his leadership style, and it didn't take long before this group split off to form Eternal Wrath. This was one of the ugliest breaks I've ever seen between people... it inspired a ton of hate and downright rage from some people that chose to stay in Valoran, in both the leadership and the normal members. I never anticipated it would be anything like that, but I think a lot of friendships ended up getting torn apart from it. I believe at the time Valoran had been locked in a struggle with Grey Hawke (may have been some other guild, or a few guilds even) for server dominance. When we left, they looked at us as tearing the guild apart and ruining any chances they had to be on top. This wasn't a short term thing either, there was a really deep-seeded hatred from them directed at us for as long as we were on Karana. I think this was partially due to wounds being frequently reopened, as for awhile there they had a gradual trickle of Valoran members leave to come join us. I can't recall that we ever returned all the hate back at them, as we didn't dislike them, we just didn't care for Avasheon as a leader... Eventually things worked themselves out though as Eternal Wrath took Karana's second server split here to Ayonae Ro, and Valoran stayed behind on Karana. I should note Valoran seems to still be alive and kicking... they were in Everquest 2, but judging by their website it seems they've moved back to EQ1. http://www.valoran.net/

On a final note, The Combine never actually died, they just left Everquest. For all intents and purposes in my mind though that was the death of the guild. I loved the guild, the attitude of it, and I always enjoyed Deyth's leadership. I would probably still be a member to this day if not for one thing... after leaving EQ, they could never seem to difinitively settle on another game. First they were waiting for Shadowbane, then that flopped so they turned to DAoC, which never seemed to get full support of the members, and those that went and played grew bored far quicker then they had in EQ and left it. I'm not sure exactly what they're doing right now, but the guild is smaller and less "hardcore" then when I left it. If you're curious in checking their website it's located here: http://www.the-combine.net/

That's probably enough out of me for one night... I'm pretty sure I rambled on a bit too much as well, but I do enjoy reminiscing about the early years of Everquest, when I truly got pleasure from the game and didn't just stay because of the people I'd come to know.

That post burns my eyes.

Those last two paragraphs seem out of place in the scheme of things.

Yeah, *that's* gonna need a few more paragraphs.

Yeah I was in a bit of a rush when I typed it :(

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-CLIFFS_SEARCH_RESULT.html?queryText=The%20Combine

http://www.cliffsnotes.com/WileyCDA/Section/id-CLIFFS_SEARCH_RESULT.html?queryText=The%20Combine

LOL must be my allergies meds b/c I clicked this link actually HOPING it was his post in either a more readable format or someone had summarized it. I just can't read it, it hurts my eyes :(

Mythias didn't leave Combine, I kicked him out. He had become pussywhipped by an online golddigger by the name of Diamynd and I felt it was unhealthy so I applied the boot. Anyone too weak to avoid manipulation, especially to the detriment of the guild, had to go. It was only after I kicked him out that he decided to start Valoran. The KGC was my unique creation, I bullied and tricked Mythias into joining it. He had no vision or political acumen. Valoran weren't our rivals at the time. No one else was killing dragons, including Valoran, but I foresaw the problem so I used my leverage on the server to get everyone to play ball and from that point I controlled the ballgame. Anything we wanted to kill we did so and in return we made it possible for others to get a share of the pie, it was only after I left that the KGC became some kind of freak organization. I found that endlessly amusing.

Mythias used a lot of my ideas on running a guild but never had the spine to implement them properly. He was always too nice. I actually ran into Valoran while I was messing around in EQ2, quite a few recognized me but I didn't know any of them unfortunately. They were cool although had no idea about the history either, Combine and Deyth were just names out of a very exaggerated fairytale.

I didn't leave the final time when the Plane of Sky was open although I can't be 100%. I left in February of 2000, just before the first expansion was released.

Ariel/Blap is now Garek Steelwolf, and he's still leading Divine Vengeance. He hates me with a passion and will ban anyone on his board that signs as Combine or has a Combine email address. It comes from how tightly under my thumb I had to keep him, he was an asshole with no redeeming qualities except great skill as a bard and I couldn't let him cause friction or I'd have to kick him out.

Shadowed Fates was Diamynd and Yeti, another Combine member she wrapped around her finger via her internet molestation techniques (people need to get some real lovin out there). Diamynd went through all my officers in Combine (Mythias, Yeti, Vann, Garrid) and tried to work her way up to me but I kicked her to the curb. I don't do the online romance thing, I like my women where I can get a firm grip in their hair. Shadowed Fates crashed and burned in DAoC and this WoW version is a reincarnation.

Semedi, we've been quite active and successful in gaming since EQ. I purposely shrank the guild because too many people kept wanting to join and I wanted solid relationships to form. The Combine of today is much more effective than Combine on Karana because it doesn't rely as heavily on me.

Hey hey look at that, a reply from the man himself. I'll drop you a message on ICQ later and say hi Deyth.

Hey hey look at that, a reply from the man himself. I'll drop you a message on ICQ later and say hi Deyth.
One of the readers here dropped me an email with a link to this.

My ICQ and MSN are currently flaking in the office. You can send an ICQ to my AIM, DeythCombine.

I had to write him and tell him you complimented him Sem. :)

Deyth, now there's a name I've not heard in awhile....but heard others pretend they were...


Fandros

Deyth, now there's a name I've not heard in awhile....but heard others pretend they were...


Fandros
You mean someone has actually pretended to be me or just want to be like me?

How Big of a guild was "the looking glass"

What I remember of the looking glass is Secta (sp?) the female iksar shammy that had her epic. First time I ever saw it was on her...I thought she was a bad ass,lol.

Looking Glass was a good sized guild (power wise) in their day. I must give them some credit for my epic. They were 'powerful' enough that they allowed me to loot a book off of Talendor, because it was going to rot, to complete my epic not long after Kunark came out. I think they kinda burned out around Velious, however.

Nysah was awesome. Wonder what ever happened to her.

was Tacman that was in Looking Glass, aka Sangai in IVM

They were 'powerful' enough that they allowed me to loot a book off of Talendor, because it was going to rot, to complete my epic not long after Kunark came out.

Sorry here, this is way wrong. The server merger was 1-2 months after velious came out. Looking glass was formed on this server as it was mostly a bunch of Sol Ro people, many of which were in Bunnies of Chaos. Not to add the epics weren't added until several months into Kunark.

Looking Glass was a good sized guild (power wise) in their day. I must give them some credit for my epic. They were 'powerful' enough that they allowed me to loot a book off of Talendor, because it was going to rot, to complete my epic not long after Kunark came out. I think they kinda burned out around Velious, however.

Nysah was awesome. Wonder what ever happened to her.

Nysah was in IvM for a while as well.

she still lurks every once in a while on the ivm board.

Sorry here, this is way wrong. The server merger was 1-2 months after velious came out. Looking glass was formed on this server as it was mostly a bunch of Sol Ro people, many of which were in Bunnies of Chaos. Not to add the epics weren't added until several months into Kunark.

So replace Kunark with epics and Velious with Luclin?

My information from, what, 4-5 years ago is scewed. :/

Bah you can't call this an Aro history without Gnoll Busters!

Bleh, the title made this thread seem potentially interesting. Tricked ! I was almost inspired to give a little bit more in depth summary on the history of Ayonae Ro from a...."different" perspective, having been one of the refugees from Solusek Ro and a member of the server for a few playing years as Efalindrahn and Dreadnok....But...nah. Not here ! I think this forum actually possesses people who consider Nightmare Clan one of the great guilds of the past and that there alone tells you something. :( Bunnies of Chaos and the early form of Looking Glass had some good friends and playing comrades of mine, I miss those guys. Fun times back then with Everquest in it's peak days.

Wow, all this time and I had no idea Efalindrahn and Dreadnok were the same person...!

Dreadnok doesn't seem to have the flare for the overly dramatic like Efalindrahn did......

Dreadnok doesn't seem to have the flare for the overly dramatic like Efalindrahn did......Just don't ask him about how the Kunark dragons came to fall...

Dreadnok doesn't seem to have the flare for the overly dramatic like Efalindrahn did......

LOL, you obviously have not spent time with him in game.

The short time I was able to accompany him on raids and in groups were some of the most entertaining, educational, and downright fun times I have had in Norrath. Role-playing made the game more of what he was looking for, and learning the lore of Norrath allowed for a deeper immersion into the role; and, be assured, he would not suffer fools to disrupt his enjoyment. I have often wondered what directions we may have taken if he had remained one of us.

Great memories of a great monk.

/wave Dreadnok

/agree Bylimet

While you 'ubers' may not have had much use for Dreadnok/Efalindrahn's letting his roleplaying and/or principles get in the way of maximizing loot vacuuming/progression efficiency, I can say that Dreadnok was an excellent companion to Faervas and I, as well as to Autonomous Collective, and an excellent monk.

We had *great* times pushing ourselves in the small scale game with him and I, too, got a slightly queasy feeling reading how much so much of these pages of 'reminiscences' were of folks talking about how they crushed the opposition or skipped work in order to 'dominate' the game. The great thing about grouping/raiding with Dreadnok was that none of us, especially not him, gave a hoot about how or what anyone else was doing in the world; it was all about what we could do with what we had, in that moment. I remember going down to the bottom of Chardok with just him, Faervas, me, and my goofy floating swords, and much earlier leading a two group AC bunch down there (including a 44 druid, agro was, interesting :) ), as well as going many other places with him; but whatever you got, even if it was a messy death, it was met with good humor and I mark my groups with him as some of the best times I had in EQ...

To Dreadnok:

Come back and see us in WoW, you alliance pansy! Give up that I win button and come play a real character ... :)

Warm regards,
Nydia

LOL, you obviously have not spent time with him in game.



Actually, yes, I did. We were guilded together for some time in Vision or VA one.

Dreadnok bought alot of drama on himself. I personally really didnt/dont care what anyone else was doing. If people were having fun, I thought that was cool.

When Dreadnok pissed people off is when he came around swinging some "holier than thou - All 'ubers' are xxxxx and horrible people" attitude. It astounded me that a person could try to assume some moral platitude from how he chose to play a video game. Reality called, they want their rockship back. It seems to me the real reason Dreadnok was never in a big/higher end guild is simply because he lacked the interpersonal skills needed to survive in a environment with many diverse personalities. I guess the knowledge of ones own personal shortcomings could make a person bitter.

Yer right, Fandros! Of course one can't pass moral judgements on how people act when there's no consequences!

I just remember lack of courtesy...brought on for the usual reasons: not enough content.

Bah, no edit is the suck...! substitute L2 for Fandross in that last post.

I'm innocent this time!!!


Fandros

All i can say is WOW!

I really know i helped create an impact in this world when after 2 1/2 years after i quit EQ people still talk shit about your guild. What i find even more humorous is that those same people have just in recent months started to acheive goals we did 2 1/2 years ago. I blame Immortalis.

Hello Fanny, Driz and L2! Hope things are going well for you all. This is my first time checking in on EQ in quite the time. Its pretty crazy to see how much smaller the community is now. It seems like it was just yesterday when we were up to 2AM doing CR's trying to kill the AOW.

Did EW move on to a different game, or did we disban completly?

Yer right, Fandros! Of course one can't pass moral judgements on how people act when there's no consequences!

I just remember lack of courtesy...brought on for the usual reasons: not enough content.

It was not enough content that caused the lack of courtesy, it happened EQ wide Ayonae Ro wasn't the only server. They all had the same issues. It went on from EW and IVM down to FD and RiP or was it Rip and SoT or was it FD and VA or was it SoT and IVM or was it between LS and that other guild or was it between...

The fact of the matter is that each guild cared about its own progression and the only time they really helped a guild under their radar was if that would slow down the guild behind them. The guild that wanted the help didnt care if they got it...that was new content for them.

We've all killed the Taskmasters. If you say you didn't or that your guild didn't you lie...it was how we stayed ahead and how we kept those in back...back.

It just took someone as low and scummy like Palimax to actually post internal guild information from other guilds to try and make himself look squeeky clean.

Blame Sony...they only made 1 cursed...1 Emp...1 AHR...1 PoE...1 PoA...1 PoW...1 etc...

It was a game, it was competetive and it was fun...even with whiners like Palimax behind you at the time.

It just took someone as low and scummy like Palimax to actually post internal guild information from other guilds to try and make himself look squeeky clean.



It was a game, it was competetive and it was fun...even with whiners like Palimax behind you at the time.

Wow. You really do have a thing for Palimax, don't you? Get a hobby. ;)

haha this is some serious infatuation. ya'll should just fuck and get it over with already. palimax I think she wants your man meat, she can't stop thinking about you!

Nah, Fil. She'd be far too busy trying to DoT him and hoping he went LD to worry about getting him up to have sex.

Well I wouldn't know about that but it sure seems she can't get him out of her mind. Kind of reminds of Fatal Attraction or something. Amusing though.

Nah, Fil. She'd be far too busy trying to DoT him and hoping he went LD to worry about getting him up to have sex.

I think the problem was that people would do a /Q once they realized she was winning. I guess it was hard to accept that someone of a lower level and not geared quite as well could actually beat them in a duel.

I do know from my own experience of the talk in /gu that I heard many excuses as to why Chenoa would win the duel. But it is funny that most people she would duel would suddenly go LD when their health would get low. I guess that was an EQ bug. Low health automatic LD. I wonder why it happened in duels with Chenoa and never with duels with other people.

We've all killed the Taskmasters. If you say you didn't or that your guild didn't you lie...it was how we stayed ahead and how we kept those in back...back.To the best of my knowledge, we never killed Taskmasters (staggered their spawn, anything) with the purpose of delaying/stalling another guild from triggering a Ssra encounter. In fact, I don't recall us killing any trigger mob that we didn't at least intend to TRY to kill the resultant spawn. If it makes you sleep better at night to say "everyone else did it" to justify your own actions, then go right ahead.

...Actually, max...there was that one time...when mah group killed enough TMs to fill us all out with bags...then went to left side for the endless commander group... and Greywolfe (who had joined AFTER we finished picking up bags) decided to claim in ooc that my group had done exactly that, for the reasons that chenoa is claiming now. Apparently he seemed to think it was a great taunt.I do believe that was the only time I ever swore directly at another member in guildchat for being a moron.

I have no opinion on this other than to say to Squishy

OINK

<3 <3 <3

Squish rules.... Squishem > Squishter though =/

To the best of my knowledge, we never killed Taskmasters (staggered their spawn, anything) with the purpose of delaying/stalling another guild from triggering a Ssra encounter. In fact, I don't recall us killing any trigger mob that we didn't at least intend to TRY to kill the resultant spawn. If it makes you sleep better at night to say "everyone else did it" to justify your own actions, then go right ahead.

HAHA...get real. ANYONE guild that went through that progression and had a guild behind them did those things. So big deal if you posted an internal communication of another guilds officers. I see that your integrity that you want us to believe actually exists in you truly doesn't. There is reality and then there is Palimax...What really was and then there is Palimax. Nice Mr. Bullshit...HAHA...some things never will change.

PortBiotch!!! oink!

*hugs*

SquishEM & SquishTER ruled :p

chenoa, not all guilds are filled with raging retards and thus do not fuck over other guilds simply to fuck them over, i know for a fact that LS never killed TM's to screw with anyone, i clearly remember a guild trying to do it to us tho, which is still as funny!

I can also attest that Lost Fires has never engaged in that childish behavior that Chenoa seems so familiar with, although we did suffer having it done to us from time to time. But, there is always something else to do in EQ if the specific target you want is not available.

Unless you want to just whine and hold grudges for year after year......

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HAHA...get real. ANYONE guild that went through that progression and had a guild behind them did those things. So big deal if you posted an internal communication of another guilds officers. I see that your integrity that you want us to believe actually exists in you truly doesn't. There is reality and then there is Palimax...What really was and then there is Palimax. Nice Mr. Bullshit...HAHA...some things never will change.

Chenaho, lets ask the guild that was behind VA at the time.

I believe Lost Fires was behind VA in progression about this time. They where definately the next guild in VT after VA.

Excuse me, Lost Fires members? Do you remember a time when VA did wierd stuff to taskmaster spawns? Staggered their spawns to move it around?

Bah, I'm an idiot.

I know this, because I just tried to argue with an idiot.

Bah.

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chenoa, not all guilds are filled with raging retards and thus do not fuck over other guilds simply to fuck them over, i know for a fact that LS never killed TM's to screw with anyone, i clearly remember a guild trying to do it to us tho, which is still as funny!Not to defend CB, but I don't blame them (and I'm sure a lot of others don't either) for getting pissed about losing out on spawns because of that lame "time zone advantage". No matter how you put it, LS did have it easier than most.

Lost Fires

Sorry not a familiar guild.

That's odd, they were in VT while both FD and VA were still raiding there. I even remember some cooperation between LF and FD on at least one occasion in VT as well. Maybe you weren't playing at the time.

hmm im pretty sure you were there... i seem to remember Batevil, me, and some of the early folks setting up coth with you standing right there at the entrance....or at least that should have been during that whole era where LF was moving into VT

A number of us have friends tagged with FD, and I have only heard their leader spoken of with respect, so cooperation when the occasion merits it is not out of the question. Hell, my son (Barlow Hemingway) wore the FD tag at one time.

And, I personally have no recollection of VA screwing with spawns, Laeyakk.

hmm im pretty sure you were there... i seem to remember Batevil, me, and some of the early folks setting up coth with you standing right there at the entrance....or at least that should have been during that whole era where LF was moving into VT

don't recall LF being in VT when I was in there. Could have been when the FD officers were going there to gear up their alts. (why I left FD)

A number of us have friends tagged with FD, and I have only heard their leader spoken of with respect, so cooperation when the occasion merits it is not out of the question. Hell, my son (Barlow Hemingway) wore the FD tag at one time.

And, I personally have no recollection of VA screwing with spawns, Laeyakk.

What VA would do is to attempt a spawn when they knew they had neither the right classes or numbers to do it, done pretty much to hold it until they had the numbers later in the day. Hence the "we always attempted to complete the spawn". Just a veiled way of "killing the taskmasters".

BTW for those of the short bus..."killing a taskmaster" is a metaphor.

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Nysah was in IvM for a while as well.

She was a sweetheart!

I'm innocent this time!!!


Fandros

I highly doubt that, knowing you fannyboy!;)

You were never fit to carry my bow, let alone act as though you know me you HUDGE lying git...

Fandros

Okay, let me set the record straight here a little bit...

I'm friends with several people on both sides of the VA/FD confrontation here, including officers in both guilds, so I've heard both sides of it.

LF never got involved in any major fight over VT, because we got into VT right as FD basically quit the zone to go to elementals, and as they had conceeded the zone to VA because VA would go there with 120 people and wait around till blob1 spawned for some reason... There were a couple of times when we saw FD folks there waiting on blob1 spawning, but that was only about 2 or 3 times.

VA, on the other hand, kept going there for a couple of months after LF broke in, so we had to wait our turn and keep doing DXX and such until such time as they finished gearing up every last alt in their guild and moved on to elementals.

We had discussions about a rotation with VA, and from what I recall, VA wanted us to prove that we were able to mobilize to blob1 before they could before they would even consider the rotation. Then we did it, and they changed the terms of the deal... So we basically just waited them out, and watched as they continued raiding the same place 5 nights a week on patch weeks and eventually, they got tired of waiting with 60+ people for 8 hours while blob1 decided to spawn. No real big fights occurred between us, we just went and did other content while we waited for VA to finish.

This is so true of the way VA was.

"Then we did it, and they changed the terms of the deal... "


LOL...that sums it up!

You were never fit to carry my bow, let alone act as though you know me you HUDGE lying git...

Fandros

Fandros your the biggest liar I know besides your friend Buyza54.

Oh crap, Elren learned how to spell and compose a complete sentence. I'm so proud. :eek:

Oh crap, Elren learned how to spell and compose a complete sentence. I'm so proud. :eek:

Yea, who would of ever thought I get a 'A' in my college english class. I just stoped being lazy and started correcting my grammer and spelling.:D

Yea, who would of ever thought I get a 'A' in my college english class. I just stoped being lazy and started correcting my grammer and spelling.:D

Clearly the class you took was Remedial English 001.

Unless you're talking about a small town in Indiana (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=grammer,+in&spn=.324723,.557728&t=h&hl=en), or a television celebrity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelsey_Grammer), that is...

(Apparently Grammer, IN is so small that it doesn't even show up on Google Maps!)

Clearly the class you took was Remedial English 001.

Unless you're talking about a small town in Indiana (http://maps.google.com/maps?q=grammer,+in&spn=.324723,.557728&t=h&hl=en), or a television celebrity (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kelsey_Grammer), that is...

(Apparently Grammer, IN is so small that it doesn't even show up on Google Maps!)

Well its a Univerisity transferable class so its alot higher than that.:rolleyes:

Fandros your the biggest liar I know besides your friend Buyza54.

Yea, who would of ever thought I get a 'A' in my college english class. I just stoped being lazy and started correcting my grammer and spelling.

Well its a Univerisity transferable class so its alot higher than that.

Way to prove yourself buddy. If you're trying to prove how good your english is, you make damned sure you don't make typos, especially if you claim that you "stopped being lazy and started correcting" it.

Way to prove yourself buddy. If you're trying to prove how good your english is, you make damned sure you don't make typos, especially if you claim that you "stopped being lazy and started correcting" it.

Hey I never claimed to be perfect, especially in internet typing. Papers are much different that typing trash on the internet.;)

Hey I never claimed to be perfect, especially in internet typing. Papers are much different that typing trash on the internet.;)

Yes, there's a HUDGE difference between 'internet typing' and 'school paper typing'. I don't know about everyone else, but when I 'internet type', I turn my hands upside down so that my wrists rest over the top edge of the keyboard...

(Obviously, your "College English Class" is really a cute way of you saying "I discovered how to use MS Word's spelling checker." )

Yes, there's a HUDGE difference between 'internet typing' and 'school paper typing'. I don't know about everyone else, but when I 'internet type', I turn my hands upside down so that my wrists rest over the top edge of the keyboard...

(Obviously, your "College English Class" is really a cute way of you saying "I discovered how to use MS Word's spelling checker." )

My mother has a Masters in English ESL and she always says spelling means nothing. Either it comes naturally to you or it doesn't. You can be a great writer, and speaker and a bad speller, thats what editors are for.

English ESL

English as a Second Language?

Haha grumblin beat me to it. You said its university transferablem, so what your (I will use the wrong your like you) saying is that you are in junior college at the age of 35? Or however old you are. What kind of super genius with an IQ of 250 (or was it 300) goes to junior college? Did you just not go to college when you were younger cause of your grammEr? I r teh confuzed becuz i had mester in ESL i no no thet stuf.

Wow you are a hudge moron. How is body building? Still get confused for the govenator?

BTW, typing papers on the computer vs writing on the internet is different because?....you have no set time limit on talking trash on EQ message boards? Oh oh is it because you didn't go to your guildmaster yet and spend training points? Got it! Thanks!

Haha grumblin beat me to it. You said its university transferablem, so what your (I will use the wrong your like you) saying is that you are in junior college at the age of 35? Or however old you are. What kind of super genius with an IQ of 250 (or was it 300) goes to junior college? Did you just not go to college when you were younger cause of your grammEr? I r teh confuzed becuz i had mester in ESL i no no thet stuf.

Wow you are a hudge moron. How is body building? Still get confused for the govenator?

BTW, typing papers on the computer vs writing on the internet is different because?....you have no set time limit on talking trash on EQ message boards? Oh oh is it because you didn't go to your guildmaster yet and spend training points? Got it! Thanks!

Yop can never have to much school dumb assed mother. Go suck another dick faggot. Cherrieo:D

English as a Second Language?

Grumblin if I remember right was a second class shaman that liked Noar balls right?:rolleyes:

The only contact i had with Noar was when he was looking for shamans for IvM before they were about to crumble. That is, of course, assuming you meant "licked". As for second class, yeah, my gear was never up to the standard that the higher end shamans enjoyed. But anyway, past is past - look where we are now: You're still a retard with what comes across as a critically low IQ. You hold zero weight over anyone anymore (if you ever held such weight), as you possess no gear or "high end character" with which to flaunt your e-penis.

And me? My penis is fine :)

So how's life going Elren? Surely not as miserably as your internet life, because that would be absolutely crushing for a middle aged man in college.

I think you meant, "you". Sorry I failed ESL :( I have not mastered english as a second language yet. I am to busy mastering it as a first. You truely showed me though. Not one real retort, just some half assed tribunal flameboard reply.

As for "So how's life going Elren? Surely not as miserably as your internet life, because that would be absolutely crushing for a middle aged man in college."

That is Mr. JUNIOR college to you!

And if I recall, elren was always the second class ranger in a second class guild always wanting to hang on fandros' balls. Plus he was a master of conspiracy theory, like mel gibson!

Grumblin was shaman enough for me! He even almost tanked that pool of shining goo on the way to way to Xanamech... ;)

Whom, speaking of past digital glories, we took with 11 level 65 or under no-name folks with crap gear, because whatever else you might say about Grumblin, he had *hudge* e-cojones :).

Hope life is treating you well, Grumblin, you were one of the folks I was really glad I got the chance to get to know a bit in game, and someone I always knew I could call for a good time, so to speak... ;)

Warm regards,
Nydia

P.S. Feel free to resume your sport btw guys, and sorry for the hijack ;)

Grumblin was shaman enough for me! He even almost tanked that pool of shining goo on the way to way to Xanamech... ;)

Whom, speaking of past digital glories, we took with 11 level 65 or under no-name folks with crap gear, because whatever else you might say about Grumblin, he had *hudge* e-cojones :).

Hope life is treating you well, Grumblin, you were one of the folks I was really glad I got the chance to get to know a bit in game, and someone I always knew I could call for a good time, so to speak... ;)

Warm regards,
Nydia

P.S. Feel free to resume your sport btw guys, and sorry for the hijack ;)

Grumblin is a big gay black new zealander

If Grumblin is representative of big gay black New Zealanders, I'll take a dozen, please ;)

Gross.

Whitephoenix

Those were good times :) That fight was so god damned hectic, we'd have failed without faervas! And yes yes, life is well nyd, thanks for asking :)

- Whitephoenix of quellious? Or a different wp :(

Gross.

You'll take a gross? Alas, I just don't have the room here ;)...

Quellious? I am on tribunal heh.

I think you are thinking of a different wp.

And bah, no-edit!

That was a heck of a good time, and yeah, Faervas fails to suck every once in a while (go living, breathing, smartassed cleric mains ;) ). I know we were both pushed to the limit on that fight, I thought the trash adds at the end were going to ruin us...

He's in Dallas visiting family and getting some car work done, so isn't on the wire this week, but I'll tell him that you remembered him :).

Regards,
Nydia

Yes i am :) This wp is active and playing at present!

Haha yeah i remember finishing that fight out of mana and almost out of health, it's a wonder we pulled it off at all really. All of our other fights went so much smoother. I had a very very talented group of people with me at that time. Shame it all went to waste.

The only contact i had with Noar was when he was looking for shamans for IvM before they were about to crumble. That is, of course, assuming you meant "licked". As for second class, yeah, my gear was never up to the standard that the higher end shamans enjoyed. But anyway, past is past - look where we are now: You're still a retard with what comes across as a critically low IQ. You hold zero weight over anyone anymore (if you ever held such weight), as you possess no gear or "high end character" with which to flaunt your e-penis.

And me? My penis is fine :)

So how's life going Elren? Surely not as miserably as your internet life, because that would be absolutely crushing for a middle aged man in college.

You have not wisdom for all your subtleties:eek:

Prove me wrong, little fishy.

Hyperbole is fun! Facts are better.

Stats from the DKP server for Kaas Thox Xi Ans Dyek (Blob1):

48 raids (over 10 months) with an average attendance of 38. Roughly one VT raid every 6.25 days.

Thank you. Drive through.

My mother has a Masters in English ESL and she always says spelling means nothing. Either it comes naturally to you or it doesn't. You can be a great writer, and speaker and a bad speller, thats what editors are for.Mama also says that alligators are ornery because they got all them teeth and no toothbrush.

One has to wonder if Elren actually thinks we'll believe anything he says after the countless lies...

Then again, he does have HUDGE hands and looks like a young Arnold!

Fandros

That's a bit extreme. I know when I quit EQ, there were still several items I wanted from VT. We had a buttload of people in VA. We spent a buttload of time getting everybody VT keyed. It would have made exactly zero sense NOT to milk that stupid zone for everything we could. Hell, we raidied ST about 10000 times trying to get 140+ ( I think) keyed people their APs.

Only alts I remember gearing up were the ones who went to raids on a steady basis with their mains. (Clerics, Shaman...classes needed at raids when we were short.)

VA never went to VT with the intent to gear alts, to my knowledge. Maybe a one or two group thing of friends, but never a raid.

Only alts I remember gearing up were the ones who went to raids on a steady basis with their mains. (Clerics, Shaman...classes needed at raids when we were short.)

VA never went to VT with the intent to gear alts, to my knowledge. Maybe a one or two group thing of friends, but never a raid.

Yes we all know the "money" mobs in VT were 1 or 2 groupable.

There are "money" mobs in VT? I always thought of VT as low tier shit. At least after PoP that is which is when you guys where probably there. Aten is now 1-2 group killable easy. Unless you suck of course.

One has to wonder if Elren actually thinks we'll believe anything he says after the countless lies...

Then again, he does have HUDGE hands and looks like a young Arnold!

Fandros

They always say it takes one to know one fannyboy.;)

Always your a the bigest chickenshit coward of a ranger I ever have known. You would constantly brag about you gear and then brag how good you are. Yet, when it came down to it you refused to duel me when I got the dark cloak of sky, despite your lieing claims that gear had nothing to do with dueling. You also claimed your beloved EW would always be on top, where are they now? Dead, gone, faliures, wipedout, has-beens, no-bodies and that sold for the highest price when it came down to it. For all your subtlies you have not wisdom, fannybannana.:eek:

I think IVM followed EW except they never were at the top, even struggled to make 2nd and 3rd best spot on server :) Plus...did you just admit to being a liar? Just double checking.

Whitephoenix

They always say it takes one to know one fannyboy.;)

Always your a the bigest chickenshit coward of a ranger I ever have known. You would constantly brag about you gear and then brag how good you are. Yet, when it came down to it you refused to duel me when I got the dark cloak of sky, despite your lieing claims that gear had nothing to do with dueling. You also claimed your beloved EW would always be on top, where are they now? Dead, gone, faliures, wipedout, has-beens, no-bodies and that sold for the highest price when it came down to it. For all your subtlies you have not wisdom, fannybannana.:eek:

Hmm... I wonder if I still have the logs of this lying around ...

If not that, I know I still have plenty of amusing drivel from Elren laying around... some of it's probably even accessible from here.

I think IVM followed EW except they never were at the top, even struggled to make 2nd and 3rd best spot on server :) Plus...did you just admit to being a liar? Just double checking.

Whitephoenix

Lol, keep making stuff up as you go!:rolleyes:

Hmm... I wonder if I still have the logs of this lying around ...

If not that, I know I still have plenty of amusing drivel from Elren laying around... some of it's probably even accessible from here.


You still taking orders from you master Fannyboy Buadyen?;)


One place I will give you credit is you the best Log doctor I've ever seen. You can make, twist, edit, so well you can even make the pope out to be satan.

To bad most from VA that know exactly who you are, are to nice to come here and expose you for the trouble maker you realy are. Oh well.:eek: To bad I don't have logs of the conversations, at least they be honest and not doctored like all of your logs. Now bugger of to the ranger that sucked fandroses balls. Are you still hanging from them? Guess so, how sad.:rolleyes:

Tsk tsk Elren, I only refused to duel you one time. That's when we were about to zone into LDoN raid and you ran up and challenged me....

You couldn't challenge the folks that I had already defeated, nor would you stand up when I wasn't busy.

Not, toddle off you lying lil git. You're fantasy real life awaits...

Ahhhh and Buad never took orders from anyone, least of all this old ranger...

Fandros

What did I make up? IVM fell...hard...and they were never on top. That is fact. And you did call your self a liar, remember?

You called fandros a liar.

And he called you a liar.

You made the point "They always say it takes one to know one fannyboy."

Thefore you admit to being a liar.

I guess the queen retard, MASTER OF THE ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, did not teach you reading comprehension.

Why is it whenever someone has logs of you elren, you say they are doctored? I mean can you not see EVERYONE hates you and EVERYONE has logs (real, unless you can prove otherwise) of you being an idiot? Do you just really think the world is out to get you cause you are that special? Seriously, I would LOVE to know how to lie to yourself so well that you can believe every bit of it. I wish I had the skill to convince myself everyone liked me :( ...then again...everyone does!

The log Buad is referring to is one where Elren made a hmmm think it was a 20K bet with me in regards to some event IVM would beat in 6 months.

Said date came and went, 2 months past and he attempted to constantly weasle out of the bet.

He had joined our lil server ranger channel, no problem we let all rangers in, and even prior to ivm and such he was more uber, more able than any of us.

Funny thing was, constantly we'd hear how Elren caused wipes...how he was part of the cancer that ruined IVM and how in the end after he was kicked out IVM became fun again...

Cancer, through and through Elren....

Fandros

You still taking orders from you master Fannyboy Buadyen?;)


One place I will give you credit is you the best Log doctor I've ever seen. You can make, twist, edit, so well you can even make the pope out to be satan.

To bad most from VA that know exactly who you are, are to nice to come here and expose you for the trouble maker you realy are. Oh well.:eek: To bad I don't have logs of the conversations, at least they be honest and not doctored like all of your logs. Now bugger of to the ranger that sucked fandroses balls. Are you still hanging from them? Guess so, how sad.:rolleyes:

I'd ask if Elren was smoking crack, but I'm not quite sure that this isn't his normal mental state...

Anyway.... Elren, you're barely worth the effort it takes to extract your drivel from log files or upload a screenshot. You're definitely not worth the effort it would take to actually edit or fake logs or a screenshot..

For old times sake, here (http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?p=13701#post13701) is the log from the bet between Fandros and Elren.

Here (http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?t=1019&page=1&pp=10), Elren gets totally owned. Also, the great term, 'Omnipotard' was coined here.

Here (http://members.arstechnica.com/x/thanselm/elren_is_an_idiot.jpg) is where Elren revealed his ginormous IQ. (I think I posted the logs from this conversation here somewhere...)

Oh, here's (http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?t=5156&page=1&pp=10) Elren's very own thread, with my commentary on the conversation from the screenshot above.

Oh, here's (http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?t=5156&page=1&pp=10) Elren's very own thread, with my commentary on the conversation from the screenshot above.

Oh, no's please dont have your budy Buyza64 scum of the earth back your doctoring ass up. Your about as honest is he is. Did he pay you again?:p

Tsk tsk Elren, I only refused to duel you one time. That's when we were about to zone into LDoN raid and you ran up and challenged me....

You couldn't challenge the folks that I had already defeated, nor would you stand up when I wasn't busy.

Not, toddle off you lying lil git. You're fantasy real life awaits...

Ahhhh and Buad never took orders from anyone, least of all this old ranger...

Fandros

Lies, liars and more lies. Your friend Buyza54 has more honor than you, you lieing scumbag. Bugger of you hick.:cool:

What did I make up? IVM fell...hard...and they were never on top. That is fact. And you did call your self a liar, remember?

You called fandros a liar.

And he called you a liar.

You made the point "They always say it takes one to know one fannyboy."

Thefore you admit to being a liar.

I guess the queen retard, MASTER OF THE ENGLISH AS A SECOND LANGUAGE, did not teach you reading comprehension.

You don't understand irony, so your the idiot. Go back to playing your internet games you live you life through because you failed in real life.:o

The log Buad is referring to is one where Elren made a hmmm think it was a 20K bet with me in regards to some event IVM would beat in 6 months.

Said date came and went, 2 months past and he attempted to constantly weasle out of the bet.

He had joined our lil server ranger channel, no problem we let all rangers in, and even prior to ivm and such he was more uber, more able than any of us.

Funny thing was, constantly we'd hear how Elren caused wipes...how he was part of the cancer that ruined IVM and how in the end after he was kicked out IVM became fun again...

Cancer, through and through Elren....

Fandros

The Fact of the matter is I tricked your dumb ass, and you thought the bet was one thing when it was another and you never paid up you dirtbag from hicksville USA. Go re-learn english and maybee you will understand the wording of the bet. I won, you lost and you dishonest ass never paid up , you chicken fucker.:eek:

PAY UP BITCH!:mad:

Poor lost lil child....

Fandros

Poor lost lil child....

Fandros

I doubt you pay your bills in real life either. Whats you real name, I'll do a credit check on you to see.;)

"You don't understand irony, so your the idiot. Go back to playing your internet games you live you life through because you failed in real life."

You may want to use the right you're when calling someone an idiot.

Let me help the master of ESL (i hope your piece of shit mom is listening).

Your = possesive
You're = you are

Got it? GOOD JOB!

As for me playing my internet games that I live my life through. The highest character I EVER had was 57. So it sounds rather hypocritical of you to make that comment when my combined play of all my characters is under 50 days INCLUDING my bazaar trader.

Where if I take your life, you were in IVM. You also played 24/7 it seems. So I think you are just mad that you have amounted to NOTHING. Hence you going to JUNIOR college at the age of 30+ (if you are not older, but have trouble believing you are even 5).

Let's try this. What is your RL job?

I am going to guess you dodge this question though :)

Oh, no's please dont have your budy Buyza64 scum of the earth back your doctoring ass up. Your about as honest is he is. Did he pay you again?:p

For everyone's entertainment, here's more undoctored logs, 2 months after the bet was made:

[Thu Aug 14 23:30:37 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'darkwind ranger blow everyone on this server away'
[Thu Aug 14 23:30:53 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'darkwind isnt on this server so we dont care'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:15 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'any rangers on this server get askrs BP yet?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:23 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'nope'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:35 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'any ranger useable BPs drop from time yet?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:37 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'ivm ranger only 400 hps behind ew ones its not that big a deferance'
[Thu Aug 14 23:32:32 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'ivm is months behind ew'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:03 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'where close to time atm'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:28 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'im not in it for the gear or the recognition, i just want to have some fun, and ST and older expansion raids look like tons of fun, PoP raids seem more of a PITA, but i havent participated in either, so i guess i cant really judge'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:28 2003] You tell rangers:2, '"close" isn't there, however'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:54 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'still not that far'
[Thu Aug 14 23:34:43 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, '2 out of 4 is close : )'
[Thu Aug 14 23:34:53 2003] You tell rangers:2, 'of course, we all know what your estimations are worth, elren...'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:14 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'i have this video i downloaded of a ST raid, the person recording it was an epic'd ranger, presumably an uber guild from that era'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:14 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'pretty dam acurant'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:28 2003] You tell rangers:2, 'LOL, you paid Fanny his 20kpp yet/'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:44 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'he cancel the beat'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:53 2003] You tell rangers:2, 'your predictions are as accurate as your spelling and punctuation'
[Thu Aug 14 23:36:34 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'and this is coming fromsomeone who knows about the elemental gods?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:36:59 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'yowsers, brawl in channel rangers!'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:09 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'You're not that close, Elren'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:18 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'You'll be at least 3 more weeks on Coirnav'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:34 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'we had 4 trys talid'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:38 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'isnt LS still cockblocking corinav /snicker'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:38 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Then Rathe will be a bitch.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:49 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'No...you've had more than 4, Elren.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:58 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'no we havent'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:07 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'i feel so out of place here sometimes, you guys are talking about elemental planes and im killing zelniaks :P'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:19 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Whatever El =\'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:26 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'You've been saying you're close for 2 months now.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:45 2003] Crydee tells rangers:2, 'ok kiddies, this is supposed to be a no drama channel'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:51 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'talid you just joined ew,'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:09 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Yes, that doesn't mean I don't follow what other guilds are doing.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:19 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Considering my best friend IRL is the old leader of your guild.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:36 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'yeesh, i've never seen this much tension in this channel'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:37 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'I'd think I have at least some knowledge of what you're doing and where you are/were'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:56 2003] Crydee tells rangers:2, 'and Elren isn't a good representative of IVM. Some of there members are nice and intelligent people who are fun to talk to as they don't go around picking fights.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:25 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'i didnt pick anything'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:39 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'i just picked my nose does that count?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:44 2003] Crydee tells rangers:2, 'you regularlly pick fights with others in the channel'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:53 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'dont coment on ivm progress unless you in ivm'
[Thu Aug 14 23:41:05 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'no i dont'

:D :D "You don't understand irony, so your the idiot. Go back to playing your internet games you live you life through because you failed in real life."

You may want to use the right you're when calling someone an idiot.

Let me help the master of ESL (i hope your piece of shit mom is listening).

Your = possesive
You're = you are

Got it? GOOD JOB!

As for me playing my internet games that I live my life through. The highest character I EVER had was 57. So it sounds rather hypocritical of you to make that comment when my combined play of all my characters is under 50 days INCLUDING my bazaar trader.

Where if I take your life, you were in IVM. You also played 24/7 it seems. So I think you are just mad that you have amounted to NOTHING. Hence you going to JUNIOR college at the age of 30+ (if you are not older, but have trouble believing you are even 5).

Let's try this. What is your RL job?

I am going to guess you dodge this question though :)

Life got the best of you aye? Pretty sad, you're a loser in the game and real life(you got the best of bolth worlds). Why don't you just call it quits.:D

For everyone's entertainment, here's more undoctored logs, 2 months after the bet was made:

[Thu Aug 14 23:30:37 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'darkwind ranger blow everyone on this server away'
[Thu Aug 14 23:30:53 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'darkwind isnt on this server so we dont care'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:15 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'any rangers on this server get askrs BP yet?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:23 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'nope'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:35 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'any ranger useable BPs drop from time yet?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:31:37 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'ivm ranger only 400 hps behind ew ones its not that big a deferance'
[Thu Aug 14 23:32:32 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'ivm is months behind ew'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:03 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'where close to time atm'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:28 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'im not in it for the gear or the recognition, i just want to have some fun, and ST and older expansion raids look like tons of fun, PoP raids seem more of a PITA, but i havent participated in either, so i guess i cant really judge'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:28 2003] You tell rangers:2, '"close" isn't there, however'
[Thu Aug 14 23:33:54 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'still not that far'
[Thu Aug 14 23:34:43 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, '2 out of 4 is close : )'
[Thu Aug 14 23:34:53 2003] You tell rangers:2, 'of course, we all know what your estimations are worth, elren...'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:14 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'i have this video i downloaded of a ST raid, the person recording it was an epic'd ranger, presumably an uber guild from that era'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:14 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'pretty dam acurant'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:28 2003] You tell rangers:2, 'LOL, you paid Fanny his 20kpp yet/'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:44 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'he cancel the beat'
[Thu Aug 14 23:35:53 2003] You tell rangers:2, 'your predictions are as accurate as your spelling and punctuation'
[Thu Aug 14 23:36:34 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'and this is coming fromsomeone who knows about the elemental gods?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:36:59 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'yowsers, brawl in channel rangers!'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:09 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'You're not that close, Elren'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:18 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'You'll be at least 3 more weeks on Coirnav'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:34 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'we had 4 trys talid'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:38 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'isnt LS still cockblocking corinav /snicker'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:38 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Then Rathe will be a bitch.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:49 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'No...you've had more than 4, Elren.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:37:58 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'no we havent'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:07 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'i feel so out of place here sometimes, you guys are talking about elemental planes and im killing zelniaks :P'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:19 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Whatever El =\'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:26 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'You've been saying you're close for 2 months now.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:45 2003] Crydee tells rangers:2, 'ok kiddies, this is supposed to be a no drama channel'
[Thu Aug 14 23:38:51 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'talid you just joined ew,'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:09 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Yes, that doesn't mean I don't follow what other guilds are doing.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:19 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'Considering my best friend IRL is the old leader of your guild.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:36 2003] Dekarthou tells rangers:2, 'yeesh, i've never seen this much tension in this channel'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:37 2003] Talid tells rangers:2, 'I'd think I have at least some knowledge of what you're doing and where you are/were'
[Thu Aug 14 23:39:56 2003] Crydee tells rangers:2, 'and Elren isn't a good representative of IVM. Some of there members are nice and intelligent people who are fun to talk to as they don't go around picking fights.'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:25 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'i didnt pick anything'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:39 2003] Barnard tells rangers:2, 'i just picked my nose does that count?'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:44 2003] Crydee tells rangers:2, 'you regularlly pick fights with others in the channel'
[Thu Aug 14 23:40:53 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'dont coment on ivm progress unless you in ivm'
[Thu Aug 14 23:41:05 2003] Elren tells rangers:2, 'no i dont'

More doctered logs. Like I said you're a master at it, I gave you credit, you attention whore now drop it already.

You're a two bit ranger, get over it already.:eek:

More doctered logs. Like I said you're a master at it, I gave you credit, you attention whore now drop it already.

You're a two bit ranger, get over it already.:eek:

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt... Try to deny it as much as you like, but the fact remains that those are undoctored logs. If I make any modifications to the actual text of the logs, note it close to the modification. If I'm going to make dishonest modifications to a log or screenshot, it's not going to be for someone like you.

Not that anyone is believing your feeble attempts at misdirection anyway..

At least you're finally learning to use "your", and "you're" correctly. I'm sure you had to have Bioxoftribunal's post in front of you as a reference, though.

/chuckle

Don't pay my bills in real life? Dahell are you flailing about for so vehemently?

Been living on my own for over 20 years now you flaming omnitard.

Fandros

Denial isn't just a river in Egypt... Try to deny it as much as you like, but the fact remains that those are undoctored logs. If I make any modifications to the actual text of the logs, note it close to the modification. If I'm going to make dishonest modifications to a log or screenshot, it's not going to be for someone like you.

Not that anyone is believing your feeble attempts at misdirection anyway..

At least you're finally learning to use "your", and "you're" correctly. I'm sure you had to have Bioxoftribunal's post in front of you as a reference, though.

I've known it for 20 years baudy cum-chuger. I simple didn't give a shit is all. I'm not anal-retentive like you. Your a log doctor and everyone who is honest knows it.

Everyone on this boards also knows you will do anything for your master fannyboy. Your under his direction, he tells you what to do and like a bitch you do it.

You never been independant but get your direction for others in Eq and rl. This can shown by logs of you always kissing up to fandros, its realy sickning how you always coloncleanes him. I guess coloncleansing others is just your nature though. Fanny must have one clean colon by now, from your daily coloning cleansing. It would be on thing if you just brownnosed but you take it far beyound that even.

Get from respect for your self and be your own person for once in your life. Stop sucking up to others. Seriouly seek some professional help.:D

Distilled version of above:
I simple

/chuckle

Don't pay my bills in real life? Dahell are you flailing about for so vehemently?

Been living on my own for over 20 years now you flaming omnitard.

Fandros

For all you're subtleties you hath not wisdom, fannybani! I will create a new word for you now. Omnifool=Fandros. Good day.:eek:

Distilled version of above:

Thormir=omnifoolass=A step down from fandros. How sad.;)

It's ever so nice to have my favorite TownFool/Omnitard back.

You know the reason everyone, admit it.

You have a shitty day, drop a tool or stub your toe and maybe rip it clean the fuck off and then stumble into a vat of hot lemon scented rubbing alcohol...

You start to think to yourself , "OMG I have the WORST ( meaning luck but then you shift gears) oh wait, I could've been.....Elren..."

And all is right with the world...

Thanks for coming back Elren, for the utter tool that you are, you make us all happier knowing we're not....you, or associated with you in that basement you live in, or remotely related to you etc etc etc...

Fandros

I've known it for 20 years baudy cum-chuger. I simple didn't give a shit is all. I'm not anal-retentive like you. Your a log doctor and everyone who is honest knows it.

Everyone on this boards also knows you will do anything for your master fannyboy. Your under his direction, he tells you what to do and like a bitch you do it.

'Everyone'? The voices in your head hardly count as 'everyone', Elren. They certainly do not count as 'honest'.

You never been independant but get your direction for others in Eq and rl. This can shown by logs of you always kissing up to fandros, its realy sickning how you always coloncleanes him. I guess coloncleansing others is just your nature though. Fanny must have one clean colon by now, from your daily coloning cleansing. It would be on thing if you just brownnosed but you take it far beyound that even.

Get from respect for your self and be your own person for once in your life. Stop sucking up to others. Seriouly seek some professional help.:D

More baseless accusations...

You see, Elren, there is no proof for any of your assertions. No proof of log doctoring, no proof of kissing up to Fandros, and no proof of me taking orders from him or anyone else.

On the other hand, there is plenty of proof (http://forums.ayonae.ro/search.php?searchid=50097&pp=25&page=1) that you're a complete and total idiot.

'Everyone'? The voices in your head hardly count as 'everyone', Elren. They certainly do not count as 'honest'.



More baseless accusations...

You see, Elren, there is no proof for any of your assertions. No proof of log doctoring, no proof of kissing up to Fandros, and no proof of me taking orders from him or anyone else.

On the other hand, there is plenty of proof (http://forums.ayonae.ro/search.php?searchid=50097&pp=25&page=1) that you're a complete and total idiot.

Attacking me is a logical fallcy, but you fail to relize this, so now who is the fool. You are.;)

Attacking the Person
(argumentum ad hominem)

Definition:


The person presenting an argument is attacked instead of the
argument itself. This takes many forms. For example, the
person's character, nationality or religion may be attacked.
Alternatively, it may be pointed out that a person stands to
gain from a favourable outcome. Or, finally, a person may be
attacked by association, or by the company he keeps. There are three major forms of Attacking the Person:
(1) ad hominem (abusive): instead of attacking an assertion,
the argument attacks the person who made the assertion.
(2) ad hominem (circumstantial): instead of attacking an
assertion the author points to the relationship between the
person making the assertion and the person's circumstances.
(3) ad hominem (tu quoque): this form of attack on the
person notes that a person does not practise what he
preaches.
Examples:


(i) You may argue that God doesn't exist, but you are just
following a fad. (ad hominem abusive)
(ii) We should discount what Premier Klein says about
taxation because he won't be hurt by the increase. (ad
hominem circumstantial)
(iii) We should disregard Share B.C.'s argument because they
are being funded by the logging industry. (ad hominem
circumstantial)
(iv) You say I shouldn't drink, but you haven't been sober for
more than a year. (ad hominem tu quoque)
Proof:


Identify the attack and show that the character or
circumstances of the person has nothing to do with the truth
or falsity of the proposition being defended.
References:


Barker: 166, Cedarblom and Paulsen: 155, Copi and Cohen: 97, Davis: 80

26 May 1995 / 06 January 1996

"Life got the best of you aye? Pretty sad, you're a loser in the game and real life(you got the best of bolth worlds). Why don't you just call it quits."

That does not even make sense. You tried to say I was a loser playing EQ yet you played way more EQ in a month than I ever have in my life, lol. As for me being a loser in real life, you did not say what your job is. Gardener? Welfare? Walmart security guard? JUNIOR COLLEGE STUDENT? Why should I call it quits? I have surpassed you in every way. I have accomplished more in a a few years of my life then your entire exsistence. I guess well, maybe I should call it quits. Stop while I am at the top, you know?

"I've known it for 20 years baudy cum-chuger. I simple didn't give a shit is all. I'm not anal-retentive like you. Your a log doctor and everyone who is honest knows it. "

If that was the case you would not have used the correct your and you're in your last post. Nice try :)

Also, who is honest? I see NO ONE sticking up for you. Where are your friends elren? Exactly...

How is this relevent here you goofball? Of course he's attacking you in this case, this is NAG.

So hard to smack you around Elren. You're obviously too damn dense to understand when you've been slammed.

Fandros

How is this relevent here you goofball? Of course he's attacking you in this case, this is NAG.

So hard to smack you around Elren. You're obviously too damn dense to understand when you've been slammed.

Fandros

Still avoiding the facts I see. Like always:D