A week ago saturday a group of VA people were in sol ro exping. There were some ornates that dropped and we were rolling on them(not sure why we were rolling in an all guild group but thats another matter). I happened to win an orante helm and after some consideration I decided I would give the mold to Greywoolf since he had a shitty helm and he said he would actually use the helm. You know help my fellow guildmates and all that jazz. I could have been a greedy bitch and got myself an upgrade or maybe 2 but I couldnt see doing that.

Anyway on monday I happened to be in the bazaar and thought I would look and see what ornate helms were selling for and lo and behold guess who I saw had a helm mold for sale? If you guess Greywoolf you get a prize. Not sure what prize but I will come up with something. Well needless to say that REALLY pissed me off so I mentioned it to officer who I talk with alot and he was pissed off too. The paladin class leader was then brought in to the situation. I have been keepin an eye out from greywoolf very religiously since then and havent been able to catch him online to talk with him.

A few days ago Greywoolf got online and bragged in paladin chat he got 90k for the mold. A paladin there at the time that knew what was up asked Grey if he had talked to me or his class leader and Grey said he had. Well as of this time I STILL havent talked with Greywoolf and at that time there was NO way that he could have talked with the class leader as Greywoolf hadnt been online till that day ( from the day he was in the bazaar)and the class leader hadnt logged in since the day before. So here is lie #1.

The when the class leader talked with him about it all the next day Greywoolf claimed that he had won a second helm mold and that a friend had deleted the one I gave him. If he truly had won a second helm that begs the question of why he didnt try to offer it to me OR why he didnt actually make the helm so he would have one to use rather than sell it. Even though I cant prove or disprove it I consider these statements lie #2 and lie #3. It just doesnt make sense otherwise.

So tonight I look at the guildmanager like I have every night since I saw the helm up for sale and guess what Greywoolf and all his alts are deguilded. I am sorry but that pisses me off as much or more than him ripping me off. That shows to me just what kind of character greywoolf has that he would do all of that and then not even have the courage to face me.

So I guess thats the end of my little story. I just thought I would let everyone that might consider adding him to your guild know what his character is like. I would also suggest that no one help him out and that if anyone asks that you warn them off as well

I don't see why someone would consider ruining their rep for a peice of shitty ornate. He's probably twinking a zerker anyway with that entire 90 FUCKING K, OMG.

I blame Vaxamugax...

I thought 90k was a fairly large sum of money but that's just me. Just a clarifier though Bareon you have Rallos Zek helmet last time I checked Rallos Zek > kizrak's, unless you didnt have Rallos Zek helm prior to that run-in?

Basic rule of thumb, if you plan on selling loot, don't claim it via NBG.

Yes I do have a helm of rallos zek and yes its better than the ornate. Thats part of why I tried to help a guildie out. I could have sold the helm mold myself and gotten other upgrades. I was trying to do the right thing by a guildmate and he bent me over. Thats what the deal is......

What a fucking retard, Greywoolf. You sir, are a cocksalad. Not man enough to be meat.

There's no way somebody sold an ornate helm for 90k. There's always helms for sale and they always sell for less than half that.

I dont know what he got for the helm Daddio I am only going on info that a paladin in the guild told me that Greywoolf himself said he got for the mold. I have seen helm molds lately as high as 80k in the bazaar and as low as 45k. I dont know that I care what he got for the helm. Still doesnt excuse the fact that he sold a basically guild earned item for plat or that he claimed NBG on it and then sold it.

There's no way somebody sold an ornate helm for 90k.
I guess one more one less lie doesn't hurt Mr Greed anyway.

Paladins... I knew it!

Daddio, there you are you slime. Daddio is such an expert on the situation and the prices because this low life did the same thing to me about two weeks back in Sol Ro tower.

Please put this guy on your list, alongside Greywolf, of people not to trust.

Aww Opie, Be nice now. Daddio is a fragile flower.

And add that Oipunx who won't invite me to his groups because he wants to cyber that chanter wizard chick. 8(

I reserve the right to be called Grey, this imposter should be addressed as Greywwolf, or Wolf. this post could ruin my good name.

Thank You
Grey

P.S. sarcasm is fun

Now seeing his true colors, a long time ago it was stated that a member of VA had Ninja looted the ME shard, and trained FD while we were doing CoTH at the VT zone line.

Well to discredit Greywoolf some more, that would be he.

I feel for ya man, thats not right! You did a high and honorable thing and he acted like a greedy hoe! Honestly, if I were you I would be glad that an ornate helm got him outta your guild. Never know what a piece of shit like that might do.

Hey, at least he left with a large Negative DKP! That is called putting the 'member' in 'guildmember'

Dfrac

Wait... let me get this straight. Greystone has a GOOD name? /grin :lol

you are attracting quality people to va it seems...

Arch Lich Thana

Thana was not missed...

Greystone said:

I reserve the right to be called Grey, this imposter should be addressed as Greywwolf, or Wolf. this post could ruin my good name.

To which I said:

BWAHAHAAHAHAHAAAAHAHAAHAHAHAHHAAHHAAHAHHAHAHAHAAHH AHAHAHAHAHAAAHAHAAHAHAH

:: breath ::

HAAHAAHAHAHAAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAH

Good name...

HAHHAAHAHAAHAHAAHAHAHAHAAHAHAAAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA HAHAHHHAHAHAHAHHHHAHAHHHAHAHHHA

Anyway, how ya doin Grey? Now that IVM has downed Quarm I was expecting to see "Exploring: Plane of Time" but your lame ass hasn't written it yet. Get to work...slackin dr00d!

Sage Garrath Moore
Final Destiny
Arcanist

this is alot of hell to be raised over 15k if you ask me... your have better luck giving away the helm b4 someone bought it anyway.

is DeathMagnet :lol

YA come on grey where is the story .............

I happened to win an orante helm and after some consideration I decided I would give the mold to Greywoolf since he had a shitty helm

Anyone else see the humor in this statement?

you are attracting quality people to va it seems...

Arch Lich Thana

Anyone else see the humor in -this- statement?

I happened to win an orante helm and after some consideration I decided I would give the mold to Greywoolf since he had a shitty helm

Anyone else see the humor in this statement?
No.. I must have missed it. I see a guildy winning an ornate helm in a grinding group.. and wanting to help out a fellow guildy who was in need of an upgrade, instead of selling it and buying something that would help himself out.

Pretty noble, not sure where the humor is.

you are attracting quality people to va it seems...

Arch Lich Thana

Anyone else see the humor in -this- statement?
That one more obvious and I see the humor in it. :)

I think Tz is poking fun that he didn't consider the ornate shitty as well.

/CHEER

Ornate may not be the best gear, but it was better than what Grey was wearing...and it *does* sell for good cash =)

I didnt want to keep this thread going unless there was some resolution but me and Greywoolf have been communicating off and on since this happened and he promised me that he would pay me back. Well as of today he did pay me back and things are square between us now.

What he did by not talking with me first was wrong but he has stepped up, apologized to me and made it right in the end. I appreciate that. It was never really about the helm mold or the pp. It was always about the way I felt he abused my trust in the situation. Greywoolf realizes now that he should have talked with me from the start and has made amends. Doesnt make what happened right but goes a hell of a long way to making up for it.

Coming here to whine because you GAVE your random won mold to someone and he didn't do what YOU wanted him to do with it is.... well.... oh. that's a VA guildtag? Whine on then. It's expected from VA members.

As for the ornate, selling could have netted that extra amount he needed in order to buy a white dragon helm or something else that is better than the actual ornate helm. The fact that you come here to smear his name rather than talk to him and try to work out YOUR ISSUES with what he did, is childish and immature at best. Doh! Forgot about the VA guildtag. Flame on. It's exptected from VA members.

Don't open your mouth without knowing all the facts.



Baeron is right to warn people, and you put him down for letting the rest of our community know there is more slime out there to be leary of?

Sad.

Orun

Hey Kulman like Orun said you obviously dont have a clue what you are talking about. If someone in your guild claims NBG and tells you they will use an item and you give it to them, would you not be pissed off if less than 2 days later you saw them trying to sell it? I know most guilds frown on people looting an item at a raid and then turning around and selling it. Thats basically what this situation was. Then to make things worse in this situation things happened to make me believe he was lying to me and avoiding me. It wasnt till almost 3 weeks later that I even had the first chance to talk with Greywoolf about the situation yet he had been online some in that time period and claimed that he had talked with me. Then he deguilded. So what the hell else was I to think? I made the original post to let people know what to potentially expect out of Greywoolf and dont consider it whining.

You yourself said that it wasn't NBG'd. YOU won on random in an EXP group then you GAVE it to him because it could upgrade him. Stop changing the story. Either way, you're coming here smearing his name without actually talking to him. Then when you finally did, the situation was resolved as you posted, yet the smearing has been done.

Reason has left the building, the whining may continue.

Ummm what do you consider NBG Kulman? It was an all guild group no one outside our guild was there( we were lottoing which I didnt agree with but thats another matter). I had a nice helm he didnt so we discussed it and he said he would make the helm and use it. Thats a pretty damn close concept to NBG. He needed I could have been greedy but I gave it to him.

He needed I could have been greedy but I gave it to him.

You keep shooting NBG in the foot when you repeat that over and over. Call it generosity before greed on YOUR part or whatever, but it was NOT NBG on Grey's part.

I'm not saying what he did was right or wrong because I didn't talk to him, but neither did you. Yet you come here flaming with less than first hand conversation with him.

Baron Baeron swiftpaw

I sure wouldnt like that name :/

I did everything I could to talk with him Kulman it was ONLY after he had told 3 other people in the guild that he had talked with me when he hadnt AND deguilded that I posted this in the first place. So you think I was immature for smearing someones character that took an item when he agreed to do one thing with it and then didnt. You call me immature for smearing someones character that LIED to 3 other people about that item. You call me immature for smearing someones character that ran off and left the guild rather than get with me and resolve the issue. I guess I am pretty fucking immature then to believe that I wasnt going to get any resolution and trying to do so by posting here. Alot of people read these boards and most people will do things to make situations better after a post was made here. Thats all I wanted was for him to help make an effort to get with me after I had done just about all I could do to get with him. I log in almost every day and he knew that. Okay so it wasnt NBG by the strictest sense or your interpretation of it but when someone says to me hey that would be an upgrade and I give it to them rather than sell it to upgrade myself I do consider that NBG. He KNEW I expected him to make and use the helm and did NOT want him to sell it. That was agreed BEFORE I even gave him the helm. Just so I know what the hell do YOU consider NBG Kulman?

The situation has been resolved so I'M GOING TO STATE THIS LEAVE IT BE AND PUT AND PUT AN END TO THIS NONSENE OF BICKERING


JEEZ.

Lol Greywoolf :)

Yeah I am sorry its done and over now. I just wanted to post an update not rehash old news thats been dealt with now. Then of course Kulman had to start running his head over something he has no idea what hes talking about and that got to me. I am done with the thread now. Its dealt with to mine and Greywoolf's satisfaction and thats all that matters.

Oipunx who won't invite me to his groups because he wants to cyber that chanter wizard chick

=( never groups me

i am inneed of ornate loots my alts all need upgrade .
pleasor gibor me plate legs and plate bps lots of them . DAnythepoo ( warrior) and dantheduck( paladin) dangotowned(cleric) needs upgrade . thanks

Wow...Kulman...another VA hater for life. You're not a real guild without a few of these guys. You can stfu now, because it was given to Greywoolf with the understanding that he would USE it...not sell it. Whether that was made clear in the thread or not is not really the point here. The point is that you decided to come in like a total fucktard and talk out your ass. Good job! Keep on truckin!

Please reset the "Days since someone in FD took a pot-shot at VA" sign back to zero.

/wipes spewed diet coke off the keyboard)

Rofl!

Memories of the sign out front of numerous manufacturing plants I've worked at just went floating through my head...

Hmmm, but was that a 'recordable' incident? ;)

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

palimax said:
Please reset the "Days since someone in FD took a pot-shot at VA" sign back to zero.

thats funny, as i have the same sort of counter. its the " number of days since a va ocifer takes pot-shots at Thana" counter.

Arch Lich Thana

the difference, thana, is that only you care about the latter.

Not true, I find a special sort of humor in Palimax denouncing Thana for her training and underhanded tactics when you remember how he used to defend her so strongly against such allegations.

The XA/Klandicar incident always comes to mind for me.

It just makes me all warm and fuzzy.

Dig back. Find archives. I think you'll find my stance was always that if someone would present some hard evidence, we'd take strong action. In Thana's case, there was, unfortunately, rarely hard evidence. It took time for a pattern to emerge.

The lack of evidence was the prompt for the now infamous "breadcrumbs" picture.

rarely ? or none ?
only evidence EVER presented was:

ea_whiner_01 whaaa thana is bad
random_mage_01 whaaa thana is bad
uber_wannabe_necro_02 whaaa thana is bad, but I'm purposely leaving out the stuff that I did to her which strangely, she logged, took screens of, /petitioned, /reported, and a gm witnessed, and a gm gave me a warning for.

yup got quite a pattern there.

so let's set the record straight. I had such a terrible rep and a pattern developed over time that palimax and the other officer promoted me to class leader, an officer, of Vision. Yup makes sense to me. Or perhaps, the story has CHANGED since i left, and some one is just being a hypocrite.

Arch Lich Thana

How... ...interesting. 99% of all "real" guild business on our forums in covered in our "Class Leaders" section, with a tiny bit posted in the "Officer's Club" forum. It puts me in a unique position of having a wayback machine -- I can see what "heavy" topics we were discussing for the last couple of years. With 25 threads on the first page, Thana is the topic of discussion four times:(1/15/03 8:41 am)

The only problem in this is that it appears Thana's name comes up much too often. Too many times has Thana been a "victim" when someone else complained about training. Even the EA breadcrumb thing...

Thana looks for confrontation. I hope we don't see much more of it.(3/4/03 8:50 am)

I understand that anything I might say about Thana is going to be considered biased. It's pretty obvious that I don't like him much.

Yes, he shows up at every raid. Yes, he does a passable job as CL. -- But he's at the middle of every dispute.

Thana, sitting in the middle of EA's camp yesterday said 'congrats on the zerg' to them when AoW fell. Why?

Thana's name comes up too many times in too many disputes for it to be an accident.

Suggestions? (4/18/03 12:51 pm)

Secondly, ******* and ******* posted an attendance log of who was at Va'Dyn and Thana isn't on either. Thana entered the raid and appears there for DKP. It's highly possible that Thana was there and both the logs just don't show it...it is an honor system. I just mention this in case someone else notices Thana appearing on raids he wasn't at.

Old links deleted...

Regarding Thana...******* was telling me that Thana was getting upset by something that was being said in GC recently because his kid was watching it. Now, I have someone else telling me Thana's making jokes about raping children. IMO...if you can't take it...don't do it. I'm not in favor of censoring GC, but we could possibly be a little more discrete with this type of humor. This stuff has partially cost us a wizard and a cleric. *******'s about ready to bail as well after getting mad at Thana...Thana guildremoving people during raids (who IMO weren't doing anything bad...of course I was blinded most of the time by IV). Thana /guildremoved both ******* and ******* during that raid. (4/19/03 6:36 pm)

***Screenshots long since deleted....

i"m posting the conversation because I told Minaraa that I would bring it up with Max, and he wasn't on at the time. I think this is something that needs to be addressed. The recurring behavior is not what we should want to see from someone with an officer tag, IMO. So, there you have it. Never was there "that one thing wrong with Thana." I've never said there was. I've said, repeatedly, that Thana's name... just... kept... coming... up... at the wrong time and in the wrong place.

Thana leaving VA was mutually beneficial for all parties involved.

oh ho ,i remember that de guilding raid,and if i remember correctly there was some bad language involved.

Thana looks for confrontation.

interesting post, but I really don't look for it, I just don't back down from it. I deal with the matter(s) at hand.
and since the perception is/was that VA ocifers are plushies, people who don't get their way, would whine to an ocifer. Whine, i say, because the PnP was never violated, guides witnessesing some of the events you listed did nothing, because there was NOTHING wrong. Also funny how since you are in possession of such an archive, you don't post the response(s), only one side of each story.

Thana, sitting in the middle of EA's camp yesterday said 'congrats on the zerg' to them when AoW fell. Why?

I was congratulated by much of the guild for said "harrassment", perhaps you were 'out of touch' with your guildies.

Secondly, ******* and ******* posted an attendance log of who was at Va'Dyn and Thana isn't on either. Thana entered the raid and appears there for DKP. It's highly possible that Thana was there and both the logs just don't show it...it is an honor system. I just mention this in case someone else notices Thana appearing on raids he wasn't at.

this is the best, as it implies that i doctored the dkp. I was one of the top 5 raiders in the guild. Not only did I attend them, but i was actively participating, not FD in some corner, or /sneak /hiding in a corner, or afk at the zone line like some of members who just came to collect dkp, which I will note, VA Ocifers were aware of, participated in, and did NOTHING about.

Arch Lich Thana

Thana. I have ZERO interest in discussing the individual complaints against you by other officers of VA. I want only to make perfectly clear that there WAS a pattern of activity.

My only point has been, for some time, that (a) you're glad to be gone, and (b) we're glad to be rid of you.

great lets not discuss them.

My point is not to discuss individual items either, but to show that your PATTERN consists of non events.
0+0+0+0= 0; ad infinitum, and dang, there's a pattern alrighty, but the sum is still 0.

Arch Lich Thana

0+0...+0=0

True in math, false in life.

During your tenure in Vision/VA, you demonstrated a questionable pattern of behavior -- certainly not by your standards, and certainly never "beyond a reasonable doubt" -- but a questionable pattern of behavior nonetheless.

Like any good natured trusting group of people, we repeatedly gave you the benefit of the doubt, and stood shoulder-to-shoulder defending your (and our) name when the incidents went public.

We were all simply better served when you left for greener pastures. While I'm certain there's a minority of members that miss you, as a guild we feel as though we're better off without you; and you feel as though you're better off without us.

Palimax how dare you talk to the "best" necro on ayonae ro like this!

heh

no she never said she was the best that was chenoa..Thana is a top 10 necro get that right tosa or i beat ya with something i tinkered to give vhex pleasure!

Palimax how dare you talk to the "best" necro on ayonae ro like this!

I believe Thana is the best on the server at PVP, at least until proven otherwise. Think Tzaria would endorse this statement. :p

By the by, Hiya Frontosa !!

:evil

Yeah, but Tz blows.

You still make me moist though Trikki.

You are very Disturbed Zehn. Go get a sponge and sopp yourself up. :rolleyes

:evil

Find archives. I think you'll find my stance was always that if someone would present some hard evidence, we'd take strong action.


Isn't this exactly what gms say when you ask them about anyhting? Hmmmmmm

I remember Thana...... I have been trained multiple times by her/him.... ahhh the good ole' days.....

In general, If I was working the zone line goofing off and Thana was on my /who I would just leave.

That is a name that I don't miss~ :lol

lol you must have never met the first mesha hehe

Hiya Bise and Trikki!

Heya Frontosa :)

I sure hope you didn't start over with one of those over powered necros ! Or bard for that matter!

Bise