http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/9/3/11624/73765/234/584551

Looking to the future but with one eye on the past, Biden also promised that an Obama-Biden government would go through Bush administration data with "a fine-toothed comb" and pursue criminal charges if necessary.

"If there has been a basis upon which you can pursue someone for a criminal violation," he said, "they will be pursued, not out of vengeance, not out of retribution - out of the need to preserve the notion that no one, no one, no attorney general, no president, no one is above the law."

(And before someone whines about the source, the quote is from ABC News)

(And before someone whines about the source, the quote is from ABC News)

That like linking National Review and saying its ok its a Fox News quote?:D


But ya sure it wont be out of vengeance, or retribution. Just like i'm sure they wont investigate the Senate or Congress for the same alledged acts.

I suppose Daily Kos and ABC may have teamed up to forge that quote and hoodwink us all... It's getting silly these days though, how every news source except for Fox News must be part of a vast, left-wing conspiracy against the NeoCons.

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Sorry, was just a bit of humor that popped up in my head as San attempted to qualify the statement.

Soon as he does that I'd like to see him go after Congress and it's still continuing reams of unrelated earmarks on bills ( Fraud and waste of govt funds)

Ahhh that won't happen, silly thought ;P

Go after the most egregious violations first. Makes sense.

Congress is a slimepit of corruption, but there is no single target there as guilty as a few individuals from the current administration.

That's right because a govt. can only do one thing at a time.

Biased bs as usual, billions of dollars a year are getting wasted and because your vision of what Bush should have been was shattered and the new you sees him as totally evil he's a high priority.

/nods makes sense.

Get them all and clean it all up or don't fucking bother.

That's right because a govt. can only do one thing at a time.

Biased bs as usual, billions of dollars a year are getting wasted and because your vision of what Bush should have been was shattered and the new you sees him as totally evil he's a high priority.

/nods makes sense.

Get them all and clean it all up or don't fucking bother.

Its like steroids in baseball. In 1998, steroids were all over the place. 10 years later, they are close to non-existent in the sport. It wasn't baseball deciding to "clean up", it was a few top players that got caught first and that led to a climate of change in the sport.

The top dogs in the arena all sat in the White House, and they reinforced the environment of corruption we've experienced over the past 8 years. Every project needs to start somewhere - why not at the top.

That's right because a govt. can only do one thing at a time.

Biased bs as usual, billions of dollars a year are getting wasted and because your vision of what Bush should have been was shattered and the new you sees him as totally evil he's a high priority.

/nods makes sense.

Get them all and clean it all up or don't fucking bother.

If we don't have the balls to hold people accountable for their actions, we might as well just give up. Your perpetual apathy toward the topic is about as sensible as letting a murder go free because punishing him won't undo the crime.

You have to start imposing consequences somewhere. Why not with the most despised President in the history of polling?

Congress members have been getting investigated and criminal charges filed, as in the case of Stevens, that California one, and several that come to mind from the last couple decades (the Chicago big political guy starts with an R, Gerry Sikorski and the check floating deal, etc).

But, it was Bush and Cheney that said fuck you to the Constitution and the country and pursued the plan they had already made pre-Sept 11. And, as always, I will miss no chance to say Cheney needs to be investigated by a Special Prosecutor.

I would welcome an investigation by a Special Prosecutor, but would not be willing to put the country through another Gingrich-Hyde-Starr debacle. There should be a focus of the investigation, and not a grab at any straws fiasco like they used against President Clinton when it was the Republicans with sour grapes.

Fandros, how about this:

If Obama/Biden get elected, and they do a thorough audit/investigation of the practices of the previous administration, and they find things that are obviously criminally wrong, do you think they should or should not pursue criminal charges?

Or do you feel they shouldnt even look at all?

So they broke the consitution by getting approval for wire taps (that Billy used)? Or they break it by getting apprval from Senate to go to war after the UN passed its resolutions and then asked us to basically?

Or we going with the silly idea that the Kooks push about Bush and Chaney beating up some CIA operative and forcing him against his will to agree with MI5 about the WMD? (but only nukes counted as WMD as we all know) Chaney would punch him in abs and when he hunched over Bush would wisper in his ear "dont cha wanna say them ar-abs did it. that one that made my daddy mad that Sa-dam did it, SAY IT". Till he broke and thus started the "illegal war". And we went and took all that oil. Oh forgot to enrich Hallaburtan.


But sure after they actually hang Bush and Chaney they will I'm sure go after Pelosi and Reid or others because they want to be fair. It isnt a witch hunt to try to make their whole party look enlightened and goodlike while making the other scum into basically the Sith from Star Wars.

Is there a translator available for the above post?

Is that Swedish?

Yes Ll there is you'll find it at www.foxnews.com :p

Is there a translator available for the above post?

Is that Swedish?

No it's not swedish, it's ignorance.

Rover, that was harsh!
I blame alcohol and trust me I know this board is full of my late night drunken ravings.

Lets be honest here. This sort of talk is always politically motivated. Its always motivated by retribution. Retribution, because the republican party led by newt gingrich set a radically new precident and proceeded with impeachment hearings based on nothing.

It is is totally partisan, it is totally based on revenge, it is a total waste, but dont fucking complain because the replublicans started it and whats good for the goose is good for the gander.

Yeah, because that's how I want my tax dollars spent.

Change, indeed.

Sorry, but if you're the leader you take the blame. If you run a company and the company breaks the law, it's on your head. If you're a military leader and those under you screw up while you were supervising, you take the blame (or should, Abu Graib). As a teacher, if my students do something dumb and I'm present, I take the heat. Bush/Cheney might not be the only corrupt ones in office, but there's no getting around the fact that they have some pretty shading dealings going on, possibly and likely criminal. If for no other reason you investigate as a way of saying, "No, this isn't acceptable to us."

It would also go a long ways towards restoring the respect in the presidency, both locally and abroad. Look at public attitude when JFK was shot, or even Regan. Do you see that same reaction now? Read newspapers from other countries and watch how they discuss our president, it isn't much different from the way we talk about Iran's president here. Something needs to be done - you don't hold the highest office, screw around, and get off free, I have problems with that.

Hell yeah it's retribution. I don't think it's partisan, I don't think we can let it be partisan. Even the Republicans are aware of what the Bush administration has done, watch how they're trying to keep Bush and McCain sepparate in people's minds. For comparison, remember what we did last time around, and that was about a blowjob. I would kill for something as small as a sex scandal right now.

Oh , if you think this is anything other than pandering for votes you're a fucking idiot.

Please do not vote, reproduce or try to sway folks politically. Your genetic stupidity needs to die out with you.

Sorry Fandros, I'm actively working on three of the three above forbidden actions.

Of course they are pandering for votes. That doesn't mean I don't agree with the action. Everything the candidates say right now is pandering for votes. If they aren't trying to get votes, I would wonder why the hell they're running for office.

Sorry Fandros, I'm actively working on three of the three above forbidden actions.

Of course they are pandering for votes. That doesn't mean I don't agree with the action. Everything the candidates say right now is pandering for votes. If they aren't trying to get votes, I would wonder why the hell they're running for office.

I don't think I said I didn't agree. Investigate all of Washington is my opinion.

We need to clean up tons, don't be stupid and think Bush/Cheney are the sum of all evil.

Ah, well, we're in agreement then, and the thread wasn't nearly as fun to come home to as I expected. :)

I could fake a righteous rage and throw out the usual rhetoric if it brightens your day ;P