http://sports.espn.go.com/mlb/news/story?id=2727325

Whose fault is it this time?

apparently the moon was in its furthest distance from earth, while a horse was jumping over a log, which forced a cat in delaware to cough up a hair ball, that instigated a small plague causing rogue marmasets to invade lower england, incidentally knocking over an open pill bottle of drugs lying on a shelf above Barry Bonds bed, put there in his sleep by highly train carpenter ninjas the congress employs to frame athletes.

haha you should send that to Barry's agent for a press release it's more believable and the bullshit they are spewing :)

I, for one, completely believe Barry's story as reported. He should be arrested on theft charges for stealing his teammate's stash and spend the next, oh, 8 months locked up.

Fil

When they say amphetamine does that mean he is doing good ole crank up his nose, or is it some form of designer drug or performance enhancing stuff that has amphetamine in it?

For their amphetimine policy, it could be as simple as an allergy or cold pill. If that happens to be the case(which we'll never know, the person that leaked his name obviously has a grudge and neglected to leak what the failed test was), it's completely reasonable that he could have taken a cold pill out of a teammate's locker. Keep in mind a first failed amphetimine test by baseball policy is supposed to stay internal. Obviously someone leaked it. If he'd done something like coke, meth, etc., they would have leaked that too. Anything hardcore would have damaged his image even MORE than leaking this. If it was a cold pill and that was leaked, people would just look at this finally like the lynch mob that it's become against Barry.

I'm not saying he's a nice guy. I'm not saying he hasn't brought some of this upon himself, but where's the same scrutiny towards Shawne Merriman for his actual failed steroid test (which has never happened to Bonds)? Merriman sat out four games this year for a failed test, and he still is going to the Pro Bowl and was second in defensive player of the year. Palmiero failed one test, and it effectively ended his career. McGwire never failed a steroid test (albeit probably because they didn't have testing when he played), and he got blackballed out of the hall of fame this year.

There are several football players in the NFL Hall of Fame that used steroids. One right off the top of my head is Mike Webster (keep in mind, I'm a huge Steeler fan, and I bring his name into this). Why the hypocracy in American society? Why vilify an athlete in one sport and celebrate an athlete in another sport. The one being vilified has never failed a steroid test, while an athlete in football failing a test still gets accolades. It's completely assinine to have such a double standard placed upon athletes of differant sports. Lets not forget steroids have been against the rules in the NFL for 25 years, and Merriman failed a test this year. Steroids have been against the rules in baseball now for 3 seasons (though the first season, the tests were supposed to be anonymous).

We are penalizing athletes that potentially broke a nonexistant policy in one sport by blackballing them. It's just stupid. It's a great statement to the hypocracy of American society, and shows just how judgemental Americans can be against someone they don't like while turning a blind eye towards someone they do like(the exception here being McGwire, who was revered when he played, but that turned with one ill advised testimony to the Senate).

Why is it 'ok' for a football player to use steroids and not a baseball player? Why is someone that's caught cheating in one sport treated much better than athletes in another sport that are simply suspected of committing the same act when it wasn't against the rules, but never proven?

People don't have a failed steroid test to throw at Bonds, and they are trying to make a bigger deal out of this than it actually is. Do you want to throw Mickey Mantle out of the Hall of Fame for using greenies (he used them according to teammates)? Do you want to throw Mike Schmidt out of the Hall of Fame for using them (he's been very outspoken in the last year about his usage of greenies, and stated he NEVER would have had the numbers he acheived without them)?

Well I will say I had no idea about the football players but hear more about baseball. It's obvious baseball is getting more coverage of this than football and that is wrong. Or at least in my news circles....

They should just legalize it and be done with it or crack down and make a stand and do this less of two evils crap.

You stated the reason. Football has had a policy existing for years. Do some people still attempt to get around said policy? Of course, people are people and some of them aren't too bright or moral. But I will lay odds that the policy did and does keep things in check. The problem with baseball is despite the mounds and mounds of both objective and subjective evidence that players were on a steriod binge, they kicked and screamed and whined for years while they debated implementing a policy. No real fan in their right mind gives a pass to steriod usage regardless of in which sport it occurs.

You can sit in your white ivory tower and use the argument "he never tested positive", but the fact is the reason he never tested positive is because of baseball's failure to police itself, which as part of the Player's Union, Bonds had a say in that decision.

Sorry, it walks like a duck. How else does a player in the twilight years of his career go from hitting 30 home runs a year to hitting 60 plus? People's opinions on Bonds aren't determined by his additude ( which is pretty poor ), but by the harm he could cause to the integrity of our national pasttime. You can use the "innocent until proven guilty" crap all you want, but the only time you get that right is when the government arrests you. There is no such guarantee of fairness for life in general.

You completely missed my point of my post. I didn't say he never used steroids. My point is, how does an athlete in one sport get caught and still go to the pro bowl and get second in defensive player of the year accolades. Merriman comes out after he tests, flexes his arms for the camera, etc., makes a general show of everything and he still isn't vilified.

It's funny that people call baseball the nation's pasttime anymore, but everyone knows that the nation's pasttime now is football.

I am also not saying that baseball doesn't need testing, for sure it does. But really, how can you penalize someone for something they may have done when it wasn't against the rules. Again, Mike Schmidt is in the hall of fame, he used greenies. Ty Cobb was a murderer(and it's thought he fixed at least one game during his career), Babe Ruth a womanizer/drunk, Mantle a drunk, the name escapes me, but a pitcher wrote a book while he played about how he cheated to win on the mound (I want to say Gaylord Perry) and still made the Hall of Fame. If we are doing this upon moral grounds, baseball doesn't have much of a leg to stand on. People have been looking for a leg up in baseball for as long as they've been playing professional baseball in this country.

I'm not saying to vigorously pursue steroid users in all sports, but for the media and the public in general to treat athletes in differant sports in polar opposite ways for the same transgressions is hypocracy at it's finest.

I think he did get the point of your post with this reply..


You stated the reason. Football has had a policy existing for years. Do some people still attempt to get around said policy? Of course, people are people and some of them aren't too bright or moral. But I will lay odds that the policy did and does keep things in check. The problem with baseball is despite the mounds and mounds of both objective and subjective evidence that players were on a steriod binge, they kicked and screamed and whined for years while they debated implementing a policy. No real fan in their right mind gives a pass to steriod usage regardless of in which sport it occurs.