Typically, after each episode I'd say, "Damn, they're fucked."

Tonight, following the season premiere, "Damn, they're really fucked.

If you're not watching it, stop what you're doing and play catch up. Best show on TV.

Tho' I thought Kara changed her mind a little too easily. Hoping it's an act. Also, previews spoiled some of the tension generated in the closing seconds.

I have it TiVo'ed and as yet haven't gotten a chance to watch it. I refused to watch the spoilers on SciFi's web and I'm itching to watch it. Hopefully if the damn pager stops going off long enough, I'll get to it tonight. I've been itching for it to start up again. I love this show :)


****SPOILERS ALERT****


EDIT: Finally watched it, wow. I was a little freaked out till the previews at the end. Damn Dean Stockwell is an SOB lol. So did I catch it correctly, Pegasus is resuming the mission to find Earth and separating from Galatica? One other question the cylon with Kara, is that supposed to be a toaster form of her previous husband Apollo's brother? And like no one knew Baltar wasn't a cylon but Baltar? (something in the previews). And geez it was intense.

*SPOILERS*

As far as I was able to tell, yes... Pegasus is going to continue the search for Earth while BSG will go to rescue the humans on C2. The cylon with Kara is the guy that Roslin originally had thrown out of the air lock. The first one they did that to. The one that Starbuck was interogating and seemed to like her too much. The one that whispered "Adama's a cylon" before he was killed. Apparently when Kara was in the "farm" they took her ovary and created a baby with his... sperm? Anyway... she is half human (Kara) and half cylon (the guy keeping her in the apartment).

The "am *I* a cylon" part I think is just to throw you off. I really don't think Baltar is a cylon. Then again... there are still 5 models yet to be revealed.

I really liked the premier... much more rewarding than the lost premier lol.

By the way, the webisodes really were meant to be watched between season 2.5 and season 3. They help you to understand some of the characters involved. If you hadn't watched them, some of the stuff that happened in the premier wouldn't have quite as much meaning.

ok so I had that guy confused but now I remember him.

I don't remember hearing Adama is a cylon being said, which episode was that if you can remember? I have them all and I will go back and re-watch it just for that part. So are Rosalyn and Tom really dead along with the others? Wow, that blew me away.

FYI, I have this ripped into divX if someone wants it (65MB). It's too bad more people can't upload shows here. I have tons of BSG and Farscape and Kyle-Xy.

bsg = battle star galactica?

Yes, Battlestar.

Don't remember the exact episode, but I feel like it was Season 1, fairly early, which is why you may not remember it. The webisodes weren't really spoilers, they all took place during the 4 months you didn't see between the surrender and Friday night's premiere. Mostly they were concerned with the start of the resistance. More than anything, they explain why "Duck?" ( never really caught his name ) was so willing to become a suicide bomber. And you saw a bit of ( damn, I'm bad with names ) the reasons the other guy was willing to join the human police force.

And I don't believe Rosalyn and Tom are dead. The most hokey thing about this show so far was the "miracle cure from the cylon placenta". If they went that far, the better not off her so easily. Tom, however, may be dead ( heroic act to vindicate him before he goes saving Rosalyn ), just to keep their credibility that almost any character is fair game. Then again, maybe not. It was a defining moment for his character when you realized he had morals and wouldn't join the Cylon-Human government.

IMO

Fil

I went back and watched all 10 web eps yesterday and I'm glad I did. It helped me to understand a few things.

I'm not so sure I like this twist in the story, it was more captivating for me when Starbuck was a badass and not a whimpy girly like chick as they are making her out to be now. I liked it better when they were in space and running/fighting all this drama is like watching Lifetime or TNT I hope it gets less dramatic.

I can't believe Rosilyn is dead either, it would seem rather dumb.

Rosalyn is shown in the previews at the end of the premiere. No similar sighting of Tom Zarek. Richard Hatch, Kate Vernon, Timmoh Penniket, Aaron Douglas (Zarek, Tigh's wife, Helo, Tirol) were at DragonCon this year, along with the show's science advisor. Great panels, but they didn't give much away for the new season. I think a major character bites it some time in the next few episodes, but no idea who. I'm hoping it's not Zarek. The irony of Rosalyn having to side with an infamous "freedom fighter"/terrorist against the Cylons is too rich.

Fildien: Its the same episode I was describing. The one where Roslyn has a dream about jetesoning a seemingly random guy out the air lock, then it happens. Before she does it, he lunges at her and gives her a hug. Then he whispers in her ear "Adama's a cylon".

I think they'll probably make Starbuck hard core again. I think the baby thing just caught her off guard and she's feeling a bit maternal, which she wasn't ready for.

As to Roslyn and Tom... my bet is that the NCP finally got some morals and defended the humans. Jammer is probably the first to fire, resulting in a gunfight between the NCP and Toasters while the humans duck for cover. Jammer will probably die. Think about it... a non-main character getting that much attention this episode? Definitly setting up for death.

Then again... this show takes a LOT of sharp turns... so who knows.

Thor I thought that at first too but the previews showing Roslyn looked like older episodes? Meaning like stuff I remembered seeing before, I dunno guess we'll just have to wait and see and you're right Akom you never know what to expect. I'm going to have to go back and watch that episode now b/c i completely forgot. That would be nuts, but considering the previews it did appear as though he might be one.

UGH! Best show on Tv.... Have not missed a minute since the original pilot miniseries.


Here is my take on Kara...... She is playing the toaster but fell for the kid. She will get them both outta there any way she can. even if she has to play nicey nicey with the cylon.

Yeah... I see the girl as a regular part of the show now.

On Adama being a cylon... pretty sure he's (either of them) not. Unless the cylons base thier skin models on real people.

Reason: Theres a new show coming out called Caprica (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Caprica_%28TV_series%29) which supposedly follows the life of the Adama family (Bill included) 50 years before the events we watch now. So, in order for Bill Adama to be a cylon, he would have to have been "replaced". Same with Lee, as if Bill really existed, his son(s) would too.

In the episode where the cylon whispers "Adama's a cylon", you're intended to get the feeling that the cylon is lying and trying to make people distrust eachother. Or, at the very least, sew dissent among the human leaders.

Which makes me wonder... if you didn't hear him whisper it, some of the stuff in the next episode (where Roslyn is insisting on Adama being tested first) must not have made much sense, heh.

That was almost 2 years ago? I'm lucky if I remember what happened yesterday let alone 2 yrs :p

I didn't understand why the Cyclon sent from Galactica would not be recognized......

The other human models might recognize her; that was left unclear. But the robotic cylons would not because, as they explained it, they were programmed not to draw distinctions between the human models because it would lead to self-awareness and, potentially, the same sort of rebellion the cylons originally exacted on humankind.

To not draw distinctions between the human models and what? other cyclons? or other humans?

Between the various human models.

Right, so the Boomer coming in from Galactica is indistinguishable to other Boomer models as far as the robotic cylons are concerned.

Well this weeks BSG was pretty good..... I really like the criminal guy who was currently president.... Baltar's character if floundering though. I guess they just need him to keep the frequent flashbacks to the cylon battleships relevant.

BSG rocks no doubt about it.


I wonder if they are ever going to have a character Lucifer. He was a pretty big character on teh original BSG

I have to agree. I liked this past week's episode too. I was getting sick of the New Caprica crap and scenery, I thought it was getting cheesy. I had a feeling Tom was up to something all along while he was chatting with Roslin about giving up his presidency. I'm sitll not sure how I feel about Gaeta. No way should Tigh be the XO he's lost it. Good stuff, can't wait for next week :D

Gaeta was definately not a lap dog for the cylons.... in fact, he was invaluable.... Must suck (pun intended) to be shot out an airlock into space :)

The episode the week before... this last one... oh my... best episode in a long time (and they're all pretty damn good). This last one was good, but a little slow in comparison heh.

Something I'm not sure about is if Zarrik is still going to be VP or not after what he pulled. He was sitting front and center for Roslyn's inauguration, and that was the stipulation for him handing over the presidency...

I'm curious where Baltar's story line is going. I mean... the humans hate him... the cylons don't want him... should be interesting to say the least. It really feels like we're being set up for something, though... with Caprica (his 6) trying to break off their relationship and all. He's being set up to have nothing to live for. They won't kill him off, though.. after all, you see him in the "whats coming" sneak peak at the end of last week's episode, and the Entertainment Weekly cover that featured BSG shows him with a full, long beard:

http://www.thetvaddict.com/blogpics/bsg_ew.jpg

Eh I'm tired of Baltar right now and I'm waiting to see where it's going with him with minimal care. I'm happy to see the cold hearted, self-centered, Starbuck back though....should make for some interesting plots. Her being married was just dumb.

I think the focus should be on Tigh and his little contingent of rebels along with Tom and his involvement. And while I agree Gaeta was a big help to the rebels there is still something about him that irks me. Oh well guess we'll have to wait and see where it goes :) Definitely a damn good show.

Starbuck being a chick was just dumb too.... but that is what they did and now we have to lump it.... also, the young Adama is really packing on the pounds....

I guess with all those civilians stuck on the planet there was a few extra helpings of space pie to go around.

...and the Entertainment Weekly cover that featured BSG shows him with a full, long beard:
All that hardware around him, and no one has a damn razor?

Some chicks dig the rugged look I guess....... BTW last nights ep was another classic. Thrace chooses life again and Tigh chooses to through it all away. Tough episode.

The people who were stuck on the planet are pretty damn ungrateful for being rescued. You have to wonder if the asian model who is now a member of the Galactica will be used to infect the other cyclons... :)

I liked how they finally addressed the final five models (at least to some extent) in this one.

I was kindof wondering why they had Baltar go to the cylons in the first place... now I'm realizing that the reason is so that we can gain some "insider" information on the cylons. Interesting, to say the least.

The new big question I have is... what the heck is a hybrid? Hybrid of what? Supposedly Helo's daughter is the first human / cylon "hybrid"... And if every one of the Cylon battleships has one, apparently they aren't extremely rare...

Well the hybrid battleship was not on the level of the true human models... they said her vote doesn't count.

I suspect that the first human/cylon hybrid is, infact, rare. .... . the other types of hybrids are the fighters etc...

I have to admit I'm digging Baltar being with the cylons so we can get more info on them. The hybrid thing is really neat but definitely not the first remember Scar? The ship Kara battled it out with and then she gutted and flew back to Gallatica herself? After watching this episode I realized that knowing more about the cylons is what we need and in fact perhaps it's been missing. I'm glad to see this direction it's getting interesting.

So was that Voyager onboard the battleship? :p

Another thing running around in my head is that if Baltar went to that ship then surely he saw more than the 7 models? And what does, "it's complicated" mean?

I also like Kara in her no bullshit mode where she's like femmy rambo whipping out the knife and whacking her hair haha. We got a chuckle out of that. This is a fantastic show and wow the eye candy this week was stellar!

The "hybrid" term from the last episode isn't referring to anything human-cylon, but something closer to original cylon-modern cylon. Metal-organic. I like the orgasm look on the hybrid's face as they jump -- nice touch. So was that Voyager onboard the battleship?That would have been a sad day in Whoville. I've really interested in the nature of this virus.

I'm also curious why they chose to have a naked Sharon-cylon doing tai chi. Other than the obvious, salacious, and oh so appealing reason. It's not a gift horse I'm looking at too closely, but given Tricia Helfer's semi-nude state since the show's beginning did it really need gratuitous fan service?

Looking forward to Friday. This has been and remains awesome.

Maybe she was newly produced and was "learning"?

Or to constantly remind us just how "human" they look and that they perceive themselves each a work of art and shouldn't be afraid to show themselves?

Yep, totally reaching I know. Hell, I just enjoy seeing how far Network TV can go without going too far.

I don't care why she was naked. Just glad she was :p

Okay.... I would have to kill that guy who suffocated the skin jobs.....

Of course, that would have been the end of the show if he hadn't.....

He was protecting his job.


Fil

Worst episode ever. Stupid and illogical.

In no order of stupid:

The president's briefing with Helo present where they're talking about genociding his wife's race. Duh? And everyone was surprised he wigged out ?

Secondly, uhh, the Cylons had one bayship infected with the virus and they managed to contain it. Hello? What makes them think they can't again? This would not have been genocide .. a huge loss certainly of several bayships and a res ship, but not genocide... unless we're to believe they're down to just one res ship left and it's defense fleet? What about their homeworld and the 12 colonies? Granted I'm assuming they've traveled far enough away from the original colonies that the res ships there are out of range.

Third, why execute ALL of the prisoners to make your attack? One would have done the job.

Fourth, why where the prisoners all together in the same room. First rule of interrogation, seperate them.

I know you can pick holes through every scifi show if you think about it too much.. but BSG (until now) has been pretty solid.

I'm not reading all of akipt's post as I missed it b/c I bought a new TiVo and goofed up my service! Gah, so I have to wait for it to reair tomorrow and I can nab it then. So it was a sucky episode?

It wasn't their best by a long shot. Akipt makes some good points, but even more than the suspension of disbelief that they failed at this week, it just didn't have the same edge to it this week. There were several scenes that just seemed protracted and somewhat nonsensical ( trying to not give too many spoilers since you haven't seen it ).

All in all though, I'm just going to chalk this one up to being a bridge episode. They have put together an incredible show and I can give them a pass on this one week.

Fil

edit: grammar

Well my first thought was to execute Helo's wife..... but I guess that wouldn't have worked after all.

She could still be a carrier... even if she was immune >=) But, I like he, so.. no. Hehe.

Finally got around to watching it and for a while I couldn't figure out why you guys didn't like it till the end. WTF.

I guess we were all under impressed with the BSG this week. It was still entertaining but a bit of stretch, even for sci-fi/space show. I will be somewhat miffed if the story line starts a secret government conspiracy at this point.

probably was the only way they could think of to get Tighe back into command structue. notice he was wearing his uniform when he saved Bill's ass.
Good deal IMHO that guys the best actor among a show filled with award winning performances.

I don't think Tighe ever took his uniform off after being dismissed as XO. He still has some mental issues to work out tho...

I haven't gotten the chance to watch it yet this week am hoping to do so tonight. But I can interject that I definitely think Tighe is a mental case and probably should not return to duty. I don't like him; but he plays his part well. Too quick to judge and a shitty alcoholic. Seeing him and Starbuck essentially kiss and make-up was bleh.

probably was the only way they could think of to get Tighe back into command structue. notice he was wearing his uniform when he saved Bill's ass.
Good deal IMHO that guys the best actor among a show filled with award winning performances.

One of the real delights of this show, for me, has been that all the older actors have gotten such wonderfully gritty parts. The scene where Sol has to poison Ellen for her 'treachery', where she tells him that she did it all for him and (unknowingly) *takes* the cup from him, was the best five minutes I think I've seen yet on that show. I do hope that isn't the last we've seen of her, and I remember suspecting early on that she might actually be a Cylon. Mary Mc Donald is luminously careworn and so many nuances are captured in her every expression; the same can be said for Edward James Olmos.

I was a bit disappointed that this week's episode felt so... episodic in a show that has spun out its twisted skein of a storyline so masterfully, and hope that it isn't on its way into decline, but am looking forward to the new episodes after the break.

By the way, I missed 'Exodus I' (the episode after the one where Laura and Zerik escape from the firing squad at the end). Anyone know where this might be hosted someplace?

Regards,
Nydia

By the way, I missed 'Exodus I' (the episode after the one where Laura and Zerik escape from the firing squad at the end). Anyone know where this might be hosted someplace?

Regards,
Nydia

For you, that can be arranged. Give me a few to get it uploaded somewhere and get you some info :)

Yay! Thanks so much Fild, I really appreciate it, I came back from the road to the following week's episode and wondered what had happened while they were on the lam...

Warm regards,
Nydia

Nydia: http://www.dailymotion.com/rogueosb/video/xk0bq_bsg-3-exodus-pt1

If you haven't checked it out yet:

http://tvlinks.voodeedoo.org/

She's taken care of ;)

I think she wanted Exodus part 2? if you need part 1 I can upload that too.

So that is it for the season?

Bleh

No... it will be back next week.

No comments about this week's episodes eh?

Some more back drama I guess; something seems missing lately or are they just biding time till they suck us in again?

Admittedly though I much prefer angsty starbuck to happy starbuck RAWR.

It was hot (and kudos to them for showing the girls fighting like they meant it :) )... until the cheesy ending. They (Starbuck/Apollo) should have just knocked each other the heck out and kissed and made up later ;)...

The Laura/Adama scenes were especially sweet, Mary Mc Donald just continues to impress me: that scene with them looking at the stars had a lot more meaning in it than any of that oh-so-sweaty drama between Starbuck and Apollo, iirc. Does anyone even have to ask how much they 'enjoyed' the evening, explicit body fluid exchange or no? :) The best part of it is that whether they did, or they didn't, is irrelevant.

I think we're going to get more backstory for a little while yet; my money would be on a Gaius/Six episode next, or perhaps a Lucy Lawless/Hera one.

Regards,
Nydia

I just watched the episode. Looks like the one-eyed guy is back and firmly ensconced at the number 2 position in the fleets command structure.

Adama is obviously willing to do what ever it takes to keep the fleet functioning to include getting his ass beat.

A pretty good episode...although I think Apollo's woman is more hot than Starbuck...... but I guess he is about to dump her now.

Oh man no I have to disagree. Starbuck has that nasty girl next door look I dig...

I agree with Osgil :). Just one of Starbuck's knowing smirks is worth a thousand doe-eyed, anorexic, tightly wound Dees in my book...

I totally eat up her swagger, and isn't it interesting that we're so trained to see the anorexic actress-body as the 'norm' by the media, that Katee Sackhoff, who isn't exactly large herself (nothing but lean muscle in those fight scenes) looks like a bruiser to our eyes?

Regards,
Nydia

Personally, I like Dee with Apollo. Starbuck, while a kick ass pilot, is just a loose cannon and its going to blow up in her face soon.

Baltar and the Hybrid moment was interesting, I'm looking forward to seeing what other role the hybrids may play.

Not sure why the Cyons are already offering to give up Baltar (it was in the preview for next week), seems he's still proving useful?

I tihnk they are going to offer him up for Earth.. You give us Earth and we give you Baltar and let you live in peace to find another planet.. just speculating though

I just watched from s1e1 to current, over the weekend.

Out of all of it, what bothered me the most was how it seems like they nearly destroy their whole fleet and Galactica every few episodes, have no source of materials other than the fuel asteroids, yet rarely have trouble repairing everything by the next episode.

I'm all for suspending belief, but the logistics of survival seem like a major part of the plot.

I tihnk they are going to offer him up for Earth.. You give us Earth and we give you Baltar and let you live in peace to find another planet.. just speculating though

I think most would rather see Baltar dead than give the Cylons Earth. There does seem to be an interesting connection between him and hybrid though.

I'm pretty sure that Baltarr is going to be one of the "Five" models.

Just my hunch.

I just watched from s1e1 to current, over the weekend.

Out of all of it, what bothered me the most was how it seems like they nearly destroy their whole fleet and Galactica every few episodes, have no source of materials other than the fuel asteroids, yet rarely have trouble repairing everything by the next episode.

I'm all for suspending belief, but the logistics of survival seem like a major part of the plot.

I forget which episode it was, but I believe they mentioned how they were having to decomission more Vipers than they could fix them. I do agree though, they have a vast amount of supplies given their circumstances.

I'm pretty sure that Baltarr is going to be one of the "Five" models.

Just my hunch.

I agree, but then I've felt that way since the beginning and if it's one thing I've learned about this show it's that they make you think one way and then the end result is something completely different.

See, I think he's going to find out that he's a human, and a sniveling, coward of a human at that. And he'll have to come to terms with that, but since he spurned Caprica, he's going to have no friends left.

Lucy Lawless's character, whos name I can never remember, is going to get whacked on the planet, and there will be a problem when she res's because she's done it so many times.

anyone know where I can watch or download teh last episode " hereo" ? I downloaded it from torrent sites, but all I get is sound. I have teh proper codedcs , but it still doesn't work.

Akom posted this quite a while ago and it is awesome I suggest going here first.

http://forums.ayonae.ro/showthread.php?t=8898

the TV links episodes have been deleted=(, i tried earlier this week as i misssed it friday due to working day and night.

Here's the Hero episode: http://www.dailymotion.com/visited/search/battlestar%2B3x08/video/xsqrw_bsg-3x08-hero

They've got 3 more on there too.

thank you thank you thank you :)


I hadn't seen " unfinished Business" either. Great episode.

Yeah... TVLinks was "found out" heh. Oh well.

TVLinks was just linking to dailymotion.com and didn't host anything itself. Go to dailymotion and search for the same results.

So just to be sure there is no second part to Eye of Jupiter?!? There was no showing last night? :(

i dont think any new episodes til after new years.

New episodes on Sundays at 10pm, starting Jan 21.

I've long thought that Baltar would be something different, something above the rest of the Cylons. I doubt he's one of the Five, unless the other Five are people like Roslyn and Adama, and that would be...a bit much. But you never know.

Anyway, given the nature of Cylon theology, I think that Baltar is a Christ figure, the highest Cylon having taken on mortal form, suffering to lead his people to some manner of salvation, that perhaps being to know the ideals of humanity combined with Cylon immortality.

I just finally finished watching all of the episodes, I picked them up off iTunes. The show is incredible - I love how absolutely flawed every character is, and the complete lack of resolution to most of their problems.

The character performances are great. Tricia Helfer is wonderfully rounding out so many characters - the oversexed bitch to Caprica to the abused model on Pegasus. Adama tops my memory of the old Adama. Only character I don't care for is Starbuck. Feels like a good performance, but the way they've built her character she seems very weak to me, and then other times completely uncaring. Self destructive, but it doesn't feel like that fits the character they've built for her.

Season 3 seems very slow, however, dragging out the conflict from the landing on New Caprica. While I appreciate the impact that had on the characters, when you watch all of the episodes at one time it takes forever to move through that plot line.

I don't think Baltar is a Cylon. I think he'll turn out to be a sniveling little coward, like someone else said. Although Thormir has an interesting idea as well... my bet would be on the missing five being some sort of link between humans and Cylons, that we're slowly working towards. I think Hera will figure into all of this somewhere as well.

The classic episodes are on iTunes as well. I only watched the series openers for a quick refresher. It's interesting how much of the current story was pulled from the old episodes.

Good summary KAnyli but I like Starbuck :)

Oh and Season 4 of the L-Word starts this Sunday so I'll be watching that; hawt show.

...my bet would be on the missing five being some sort of link between humans and Cylons, that we're slowly working towards.That seems very evident given the "Temple of the Five" and the associated religion that Chief Tyrol's father was an active part of. And Tyrol has had "I might be a cylon" dreams in the past...

That seems very evident given the "Temple of the Five" and the associated religion that Chief Tyrol's father was an active part of. And Tyrol has had "I might be a cylon" dreams in the past...

That's true and so that would make his and Kali's baby another hybrid?!?

One of the best lines was from the priest-Cylon while speaking with the Chief, something along the lines of, "You can't be a Cylon. I'm a Cylon and I haven't seen you at any of the parties." I don't buy anything the Cylon's say of course, I just dig the line.

IMDB, for what it's worth, has a number of trivia entries that make it sound as though they're writing the major plot for the series as they go. The baby between Helo/Sharon was unplanned, they only kept him alive because fans liked him, and at the beginning of the season didn't know what they'd do with the pair. And now the baby is a major part of the plot, that sort of thing drives me nuts at trying to speculate the future of a show. I still dig the stories though.

Why are the Cylons following the fleet? There are frequent hints that they know the constant location - like the raiders that jump in to pick up the news broadcast from the Lawless character, or Bulldog conveniently finding them.

Forgive the barrage of posts. I was avoiding this thread for it's spoilers while trying to finish the series.

I think the first (maybe even some of the second) season was planned ahead... but it's obviously dropped into write as you go plot lines since then, and the quality of the series has suffered for it.

We were told (and still are) that the Cylons have a Plan. That may be so but the writers don't.

Here's my viewpoint: It doesn't matter if the show has "a plan" if it has good writers. The last few episodes have seemed kinda like filler, but for the most part the writing for the show has been excellent. A quality writer is a quality writer, whether or not they know from the start how the story will end.

Don't judge the writers by whether or not they have the entire story planned out. Judge them by if they still have their touch or if they've lost it. We'll see after the sabbatical, I suppose.

The only catch is - if a show has a plan, you can do all sorts of great plot twists and set them up multiple episodes in advance. Right now, it feels like the writers really aren't sure how to get off New Caprica.

I like those moments when you watch an episode and go, "Whoa...so that's why they did that!"

I really like " Unfinished business" it filled in a lot of holes and had some nice plot twists.

apparently I missed " the passage" so watching "Eye of Jupiter" had me going "what the fuck ?!?" alot :/.

I downloaded it but can't get the torrent to work I only get sound. *sigh*

The developments they have going are interesting to say the least. There are a number of things that, if they don't explain them or don't give them a well thought out and planed explination, could really make the show go down hill fast.

I really hope they have plans for all the new plot lines they've introduced and they're not just pulling a "Lost".

I enjoyed last night's episode. It had a lot of those "holy crap, what will this lead to??" moments. One thing I didn't like, though, is how easily they got Harah back.

I agree that was too cheesy and too fast. So I'm wondering who Deanna saw was it Adama or Roslyn or Tigh? Too bad we'll never know since they boxed her.

What is up with Starbuck? Where did she get those images to paint? I have half a mind to go back to season 1 when her and Helo are in Caprica at her place and see if those paintings are there.

Good episode and I agree where the heck are they going with this many plot lines?

Well for me anyway, last night's episode gave the series a new breath. Best by far this season. Lot's of moments I didn't see coming, including Harah getting back so quickly which didn't disappoint me any. My favorite though was the "Welcome back president Baltar" and his subsequent pistal whipping. Very satisfying.

Now I hope they don't make it into a soap opera with Adama and Starbuck... the previews for next week were not promising.

I'm ready for some kick ass space battles already.

I was expecting to see Starbuck as one of the faces.... Last nights episode was pretty good imo.

I wish it would have been a two hour show as a season premier.

I didn't see last night's episode, haven totally spaced off the night change (and being immersed in a project). Any idea whether it's going to be shown again sometime this week?

Regards,
Nydia

they always show it again on Mondays (not sure of time) and at midnight on Sundays. I had to change it so I could tivo lword. it's dumb taht you can't tivo two higher cable channels at once they have to be in seperate brackets *sigh*

I know I was smiling when Baltar got the whip.

A little disappointing returning him, Caprica, and Hera to Galactica at the same time, I was enjoying bits and pieces of the story onboard the Cylon ships.

Great episode,however. I think this one and the last have been the best in the season so far, offering both good story and some decent action. Feels like season three has had too little action, cleaning up from New Caprica.

oh and for those that haven't seen it yet, Tricia Helfer ( aka six aka Caprica) is in this month's playboy. Yummy :p

I want to add one thing.... Did they deactivate the entire model or that blonde chick or just that one?

DAMN DAMN DAMN! I thought the next episode was this coming friday! DAMN DAMN DAMN!

Pretty sure he (um, the old priest Cylon) said it was the entire model, and that was the significance of that large chamber in the last shots.

Heh, make sure you check out today's (Jan 25) PVP - http://www.pvponline.com/

I've thought the same thing...

Anyone have a DL of it? darn it.

Heh, make sure you check out today's (Jan 25) PVP - http://www.pvponline.com/

I've thought the same thing...


Kit is a Cylon!

Last nights show was pretty good :) Too bad they don't have Jack Bauer to interrogate Baltarr !

I heard somewhere that they used up a lot of the budget for the show filming the earlier episodes, so they had to do background/plot episodes for the later episodes in the season. It might also explain why they are "boxing" up Lucy Lawless' character- to save money.

I did want to add in here that hopefully they will steer away from the soap opera stuff... I still don't understand how Baltarr is seeing that blonde woman (#6) in his head if he is not a cylon with active communication with the others.

He's batshit crazy. That's how.

I agree the stupid love... square is getting extremely old.

Ok got caught up... Liek snacheck said. Baltarr is coocoo for cocoa puffs.

But his craziness matches the actuall cylon collective... I dunno...

Re 'boxing' Lucy Lawless' character, while it may have been done to save money, it also provided them with a couple of interesting plot wrinkles (both a plausible way to keep the Cylons from having definitive knowledge of the Final Five (and who knows what else) and the begged question of whether or not Six set her up out of, hm, jealousy over her relationship with Gaius?).

By the way, I didn't get a chance to check it out, were there any significant additional twists that came out of the 'bonus scene' of Laura interrogating Six? I was glad to see from the teaser that Zerik is going to be back next week, I've enjoyed him and think it's neat that the original Starbuck has been able to have such a great role in the new series.

And what *does* Baltarr have on Cesar or whatever his name is? (the curly haired aide who stabbed him in the neck). And how is his bitterness vs desperation going to play out? It should make for interesting viewing, and I have to think that somehow he'll end up back with the Cylons.

I find it hard to care about the Hera storyline, despite her being 'the first of God's new children', although Hilo shooting Boomer last week so she could download over there was a nice touch (I watched the last 2 episodes back to back).

Re the love quadrangle, I too hope they're done with it for a while, although I have to admit the final scene in the bar, with Thrace's hubby asking her if she was uncomfortable and did she want to go, and her smiling and toasting him, them lifting their glasses, and saying 'to the first of many' really resonated with me. Having been in similar circumstances, it really rang true (much more so than the Apollo/Dee teary 'you're good for me' speech, which seemed cliched), and I thought it was a sweet way to end the plot thread.

And with that, here's to partners in crime, who love us for whom we truly are, and alongside which mere passion pales in comparison :).

Regards,
Nydia

And with that, here's to partners in crime, who love us for whom we truly are, and alongside which mere passion pales in comparison :).

Regards,
Nydia


You make a ton of good observations.... but the quote above makes me think you typed it with a glass of wine in hand haha!

I'm with Bise on this and trying to figure out is Baltaar just crazy or is it a Cylon mind link seed. since he didnt actually die it could have been oxygen deprivation while swinging that caused the wierd download scene.
plus i know that in season one Baltaar did pass the "cylon test" from Caudell. but wouldnt a feature of the final 5 be the ability to to be unrecognizable from true humans?
i still think someone needs to force cheesburgers down Tricia helfers throat.

I've felt all along that the Six in Baltar's head is in fact a personality engram of the Six that died with him on Caprica and that she somehow 'downloaded' to him in part as an artifact of being physically next to him when the blast from the nuke hit. And yeah, she and Grace Park both need to be re-educated as to what a knife and fork are for...

Regards,
Nydia

That's the original Apollo, not Starbuck.

It's too bad lorne green did not make long enough to see this show. I would have loved to see make a cameo.
Watched an A&E bigraphy on him some years back and was suprised to learn how serious he was about BSG and his role as Adama. he didnt just view as another acting job but truly believed in it.I think wherever he he probably looks down a would give a nod to E.J Olmos and the job he's down with HIS role.

So... what did Baltar say to Gaeta to make him flip out like that? hmmmm

Good episode and I'm totally sick of this soap opera crap I really want to see the cool space battles that got me hooked on teh show in teh first season.

maybe he told him he was a cylon ?)

hmm, that's what i think too

I've kind of suspected that for a while now, too little is known about his character.

But then Baltar would know who one of the final five was...

Oh... I was listening to love line the other night and Trisha Helfer was on and she was asked some questions about BSG. She said that she knows who four of the final 5 are but doesn't know the 5th. She was asked if the writers even know who it will be and she sounded unsure.

She did give a spoiler (kinda). Highlight the following space to read it.


She was asked if Baltar is a cylon and she said no, as far as she knows, he isn't. That was kind of established on the last episode, I know, but I'm sure there's people out there who are still unsure.

Who knows what the hell Baltar knows and doesn't know? That's part of the whole point of his character. He is completely mental yet valuable to both sides and the mere fact that he is unstable could mean he does know some things.

I don't think he's a cylon. I think Caprica 6 imprinted him back before the Cylon attack and that's how he sees her. Or, he's just that fucking bat shit crazy that he imagines her there. Do people with mental illness not see things? Is there not a connection between genius and crazy? This is all part of what the writers want us to believe.

I've no doubt Gaeta is a cylon, he fits the part too well though so I could be way off. Some others I often wonder about are Chief Tyrol, Col. Tigh, and Tom Zarek and faintly sometimes Dee.

It wouldn't surprise me if the writers were winging it but really they need to spruce things up more and lay off the fricking drama a bit. More action would be nice even if it's unbelievable action! :D

I think it's pretty unlikely that Zarek or Tigh would be cylons, since they've been around longer than the cylons had been gone.

I don't agree with your logic.... they could have easily been replaced.

On another note: Here's a poorly made Season 3 Gag Reel (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-6307683077762423268&hl=en)

I have always thought that Ellen (Sol's deceased wife) was a Cylon (remember she came on board Galactica late and under 'suspicious' circumstances), and I can't help but think that he'll encounter her again, with all the drama (and internal conflict, for him) that would entail...

Regards,
Nydia

It wouldn't surprise me, however, if Gaeta turned out to be one of the final five. He has that gorgeous face that the camera has always spent a shade too much time lingering on, even when his role in the series was minimal...

I don't agree with your logic.... they could have easily been replaced.
I don't think we have reason to believe they can "replace" people, do we? I got the impression that Sharon was a plant from about the time 6 infiltrated, not a replacement.

I have always thought that Ellen (Sol's deceased wife) was a Cylon (remember she came on board Galactica late and under 'suspicious' circumstances), and I can't help but think that he'll encounter her again, with all the drama (and internal conflict, for him) that would entail...
I think she was too inept at the duplicity to have been a cylon. She was just a typical woman. :p

I think the idea is that the "replacements" have been in place for a long time (prior to the attack). I don't like this idea, personally, but I suppose it's viable. The implication would be that the only reason they people are in their said positions (a teacher being the president... etc) is because the Cylons manipulated things that way.

Whoever they go with as being the final five, they had better have a pretty damn good explination as to why they remained hidden when there have been more than ample opprotunities to obliterate the human race up to this point.

I think she was too inept at the duplicity to have been a cylon. She was just a typical woman.

Remember that Boomer was also a Cylon, and her conflicted and emotional behavior as she carried out her 'duties' as a sleeper agent. Also remember the comments made by the other Cylons: "Her model is weak", etc.

I think Ellen showed *exactly* the type of conflicted and self-destructive (and other-destructive, in the case of Sol) behavior that might be expected of a Cylon who doesn't know (s)he is one. Only time will tell, I suppose...

Regards,
Nydia

Spoiler city (maybe):

That kinda looks like the guy playing Tigh on the far right?/shrug
but its hollywood and all and i dont think they have an unlimited budget, so just as easy to have idle cast members(all ready on the payroll) put on robes and stand there for what was probaly a 20 min. shoot.

No. that looks like Chief Tyrol. The others don't ressemble anyone else to me especially the dork whose eyes you can see.

I am, as usual, about a week behind in my viewings.

There is a bit of a suggestion that the final five may not be in line with the rest of the Cylon race. Certainly the Cylons themselves are not consistantly evil or driven to eradicate the humans. The comparison of the final five with the temple of the five in Rosalin's speech suggests a strong tie in with the human mythology as well. There's no real reason they couldn't be plants, but not necessarily in league with the other Cylons. Perhaps the reason the other Cylons don't discuss them is because of an internal split?

I doubt Baltar could have said much to Gaeta of significance, other than what we heard. Certainly he wouldn't think Gaeta was a Cylon, since Baltar himself is at a loss for the final five. I could see Gaeta turning out to be one of them however, I like that guy.

The one on our left looks an awful lot like the Master Chief, doesn't he?

I'm still not sold on the idea of more infiltrators, replacements, or any of that. If that's how it turns out, I'll be extremely disappointed with the show. All of the symbolism and imagery that they've been using points toward the final five being very much more significant than common spies.

I'm interested in the synchronicity between Galactica's arrival and the sun going nova. It's the sort of thing you might see in an epic fantasy, not usually the trade of science fiction. So two possibilities come to mind: 1) There is something to all the religious mumbo jumbo, and a prophecy of sorts was fulfilled; 2) Time travel was involved, or at least some ability to see through time.

Not much to say about the former except that I think it unlikely the writers will cross the line of agnosticism. For the latter, it tells us something about the Final Five -- they transcend time in some manner. It also suggests that "And they have a plan" applies not to the familiar Cylons but the Final Five.

I'm still holding onto the notion of Baltar as a type of Cylon-Jesus, with #6 representing the Incarnation. Something along those lines, anyway, since the writers wouldn't make the allusion that direct.

I really hope that's not where they are going with it as I will feel deeply let down. I just kind of let the nova thing go and didn't try to read too much into it b/c I don't really want to. It seems to me though there are heavy religious tones at play but Baltar as a Jesus type? Guh. I do think we'd see that Tyrol and Starbuck are key in this type of story. Afterall Starbuck was "destined" for something.

Baltar is a nutjob with schizophrenia in my book who is just useful enough to keep alive. To be honest with all the drama of this season my interest has been waning slightly this is not the same show of season one and season two. If something good doesn't happen soon I may lose interest entirely :\

Well, space battles are cool and all but there has to be other stuff going on, and the writers are determined to make character development a key aspect of the series. I think, too, that they've taken to heart the common mantra from the series' early advocates of BSG as "science fiction for people that aren't into science fiction" -- thus some of the "soap opera" aspects of the story. But I think the Dee-Apollo/Starbuck-that guy stuff has hit its end. It'll linger, but in the background rather than front and center.

I hope, anyway.

To be clear, I don't see Baltar as a redeemer figure or anything -- Cylon-Jesus is just the best allegory I've put together thus far. Maybe the "suffering servant" of Isaiah is better...or some other mythological figure.

No I completely agree there has to be more than space battles for sure, it's just I've had as much as I can take of the love drama.

I guess we'll see how things are in another week :) I buy the suffering servant better than Cylon Jesus analogy. They had a good opportunity that was squandered in my opinion with him on their ship. They could have showed us more of the cylon technology/way of thinking type stuff. What they did show was cool just not enough. Eh, I'm being too picky I guess.

I did hope to see more as well, but there's good reason for the Cylons to keep such information from him, and perhaps reason to keep it from us as well. Still, we got Grace Park fan service and, more pertinently, more interaction that shows how the Cylons do and don't get along.

The problem with that last bit is that the Cylons are so much like humans, physiologically and mentally. I realize that taps into some of the main themes of the show, but drains its plausibility. I'd like to see some answers there as well.

Hell, I was at a panel at DragonCon with several of the actors (Tyrol, Helo, Zarek, Tigh's wife) along with the science advisor. I should've asked him then... Maybe this year -- so far Apollo and Starbuck are on the guest list.

Damn it, I was instancing and missed this week's episode yet again :/. This Sunday night thing is so not working out for me, off to beg another file from Faervas...

Regards,
Nydia

you're safe Nydia....last week and this one coming up there aren't any episodes.

Perhaps the final 5 are modeled more closely after humans and don't download when they die, or they exist only as AI code that models human thinking- think Neuromancer or Wintermute.

"You should have a doctor look at your hand."

Classic.

"You should have a doctor look at your hand."

Classic.
I just got around to seeing that episode. Best line ever. I'm so stealing that one.

Another episode of blather. I am losing interest.

Please do something to make this seem more EPIC than just a junkyard of spaceships on a journey to "somewhere"....

I haven't watch the last two episodes on my TV b/c I keep hearing it sucks :(

I'd have to agree that the last couple of 'human interest' episodes have made me a little queasy. Get back to the Cylons, the trial, and what's up with Six/Gaius' screwed up joint head, please...

I really hope the writers aren't floundering, but it's starting to look that way.

Regards,
Nydia

I've been saying all season they're floundering...

Maybe, just mybe they're building to something... but I have my doubts.

This weeks episode was a little better. No space fightings and no cylon sightings but it was very interesting...... sooon,..... there will be a battle.... I can feel it :)

I haven't seen this weeks epi as I finally broke down and watched the last two. So I guess tonight I'll have to catch it.

I'm getting all mixed up myself. Was the latest one the one with Adama joining the batshit crazy club and talking to a vision of his ex-wife?

No that was last weeks. This weeks is apparently about Tyrol and a strike? I had to go to Scifi's site to be sure myself.

Right this week is the one with the strike and Baltar's book/writings getting around....

This week was more "human drama", but it was more bearable for some reason. I guess because it wasn't a love story. It felt like a well made and well acted episode. And was it just me, or was Adama hinting at getting back to the action when he said he was "looking forward to getting back to the search for Earth"?

And was it just me, or was Adama hinting at getting back to the action when he said he was "looking forward to getting back to the search for Earth"? Please oh please let it be so.

I can't believe they toasted Starbuck! wth? pretty sure we'll see her again as one of the final 5.

Either that or the rats are starting to desert the ship :/. Katee Sackhoff was reported not to have been happy with cutting her hair and some of the demands made of her re that role, and may have other irons in the fire.

Regards,
Nydia

I'd be ready to jump ship too. This season has been mind numbing, at best.

ARGH I shouldn't have read this :( I haven't seen this week's ep yet darn it. LOL

Heh, that Starbuck post fucked me too. You can tell she's screwed though, pretty much the whole episode (season?). So, it's not as bad as it could be.

One of my friends who follows the show a bit more fanatically than I do said that Katee Sackhoff said she is not in the rest of season 3. Could mean she's dead... or it could mean that they really want us to think she's dead, and they'll have some kind of explaination later.

Personally, I don't think she's dead. Building a character up so much, only to kill her off is too... Lost-esque. I think if she really was leaving the show, they wouldn't have spent the entire first part of the episode with historical flashbacks about her and her destiny. Although, the whole Lee and Starbuck converation about him being perfectly happy with Dee definitly had a "closure" feel to it... so who knows.

Season four is confirmed, so at least we can count on them not rushing an ending in to the end of season three. I am still a believer. I think the show can come back around and be as great as it was in seasons one, two and the beginning of three. What they really need to do is play on the "human drama" story lines they've built up in season three, but without turning it into a soap opera. Like, if each issue they've covered has some major effect or consiquence later on. Otherwise, after subjecting us to all of that, the fans will feel like they were just wasting their time (as some already do).

ACCKK!! sorry guys did'nt mean to spoil it for ya.
Still worth watching though. so with that stop reading and hit the back button NOW!

Really now long distance space travel is anything but exciting on a daily basis, so it's my hope thats what they are trying to portray and using this "lull" as a tool to flesh out the characters.
I'm still hoping for a bang up ending to the season(one can hope). as well as one can not blow all your good ideas to soon if your planning for the long term health of the show.
That said...seem's they went to great lengths to show that Starbucks cylon sightings as nothing more than delusional hallucinations. misdirection? final 5 baby!

Katee Sackoff is currently still confirmed as a guest at DragonCon over Labor Day weekend (which, after the last episode, can't come soon enough). So it would *seem* that she's still representing the show. Then again, Kate Vernon was there last year and dead a few weeks later.

I don't see them having her gone forever though -- her destiny is pretty damn week if it's just a matter of dying. Given her mother's "preparation" and her symbol drawing, she's sounded more cylon-esque as time's worn on. Final 5? It'd fit.

Still, surprised as hell to see her blowed up. Hopefully it moves us forward a bit in the action -- I have a lot of tolerance for lulls, but it's wearing on me.

Oh, do brace yourself for a lot of Apollo drama as he blames himself for letting crazy Starbuck fly. On the plus side, I really enjoy the current interplay between the Admiral and President.

Well it will be a good long time before you see her if ever again...

http://www.cortandfatboy.com/index.php?id=489


I think I am done with the show. Too many quirky lulls.. Someone PM when Starbuck has some kinda cameo..

WTF.
She sounds like an interesting person in RL though; true to life to her character perhaps? :D
/stalk

One thing about the lulls that makes them palatable and interesting to me is how they translate real world issues into the show. Abortion, terrorism/freedom fighting, torture and -- very recently -- labor unions have all surfaced at one time or another. Only now, it's been "49 days" since Cylon contact, whereas many of the original issues were raised when the Cylons' presence loomed more strongly.

So the "lulls" generally aren't so worrisome to me, but with a couple sideplot-centric episodes leading into Starbuck's exit (really, wtf?), BSG needs a strong finish for the season.

Right....who really believes Starbuck is gone? Not me.

Oh if she was/is a cylon then that is just pushing it too far. The fleets best pilot is a fracking (like the way I threw that in there :) ) cylon ?????

Right....who really believes Starbuck is gone? Not me.

i don't either...

my husband watches bsg religiously and although he was shocked about starbuck's ship blowing up, he remembered that something similar happened in the original series. this is what he found...

Most people forgot about this, considering it was Galactica 1980, universally hated.

Starbuck had already had two dealings with the Beings of Light who gave the fleet Terran navigation data.

http://www.battlestargalactica.com/classicguide.htm (http://www.battlestargalactica.com/classicguide.htm)

Actor Dirk Benedict (Starbuck) did return for one episode, "The Return of Starbuck." Considered one of the best episodes of both Galactica: 1980 and Battlestar Galactica, it borrowed heavily from Barry Longyear's Enemy Mine concept. A flashback sequence depicted a fierce battle in which Starbuck's Viper was mortally wounded, leaving him marooned on a nearby world with a similarly marooned Cylon Raider. The Galactica was unable to send any rescue parties as the Cylons mercilessly battered the fleet. The episode portrayed brilliant, passionate performances by Lorne Greene (Adama), Herb Jefferson, Jr. (Boomer) and Mr. Benedict. And, ironically, the episode was the final Galactica: 1980 episode aired. The show was cancelled during the actual filming of the subsequent episode, "The Day They Kidnapped Cleopatra."

I remember that episode :) Nice trip down memory lane.... :)

Well Katie has a 6 year contract but has been given rights to find other work. She at the very least won't be back for a season or so..

I've been liking the last few episodes, the human drama stuff. I still feel they're well written, and they do flesh out the characters nicely. For the show to survive several more seasons they can't keep leaping from one big prophecy/Cylon discovery to the next. I'm slowly starting to like the Chief/Calley relationship, although I still don't care for her.

That said, a few more dogfights would nicely liven things up.

I don't believe in the slightest that Starbuck is supposed to be permanantly dead. Unless she really ticked off the writers, that's just not how you kill off a major hero, especially a combat pilot, and doesn't fit within the rest of the series. My money falls into the final five pot.

The only thing the writers are doing that drives me nuts is their tendency to drop major story lines until they become convenient again. Number 6 comes aboard Galactica, and it elicits almost no response in the stories until last week (finally!). You'd think she'd be a much bigger part of things, and I certainly wanted to see her as a major element. When the Cylons aren't attacking - that's the prime time to investigate and analyze your Cylon prisoner.

Gotta love the defense attorney for Baltar :)

Okay, last nights BSG was good. I think we may be turning a corner with this trial thing. 5 Base ships???? Now we are talking :)

I missed it :( I'm out of town till next week. Is there a link where i can download it?

I missed it too, hook us up pleeb!

Regards,
Nydia

Trying not to spoil things, and I don't have a copy anywhere to give you guys. But you should definately see this show before next weekend's season finale. The "good guys" are tearing themselves apart and it will likely play in big time during the finale.

As Helo said, "There is a storm coming"

Great episode. Really enjoyed Saul's acting, and good to see Caprica 6 again.

I love the retro look on some items, although I'm not sure why they went with them. If you haven't seen the episode yet, watch for things like Lee's suit, Saul's radio, the microphones, etc.

Thats something that I really like about this show, how the technology is presented. I think its kind-of a mind trick. They employ certain technologies that we do not have yet, but you really don't notice because so much of the technology is retro (to us). Add the realistic subjects that the show covers and I think you have one of the major reasons fans of the show are fans. It feels plausable... almost realistic.

Don't get me wrong, I enjoy Star Wars / Star Trek and many of the other Sci-Fi series that have come along in the past, but they seem so... foreign. True, we may well have those technologies and ones that we couldn't even imagine in a couple hundred years, but that doesn't make it seem any less foreign to us now.

I hear ya Akom, i think it's one the brilliant things about the show, keeps you focused more on the story and the people not the fancy gadgets.
remember the premise that allowed Galactica to escape destruction? it was a museum piece not filled with the latest gadgets and computer networks that the cylons used to paralize the colonial fleet.

I loved Helo's comment. saw that as a clue. stayed tuned fans we are gonna end the season in a whirlwind like we started it.

:( it sucks I can't find it for download anywhere.

Anyone notice that every time a door opens, its the exact same squeek? Actually a bang from the handle, then the exact same squeek. Every door on Galactica!

Lol... I thought you were speaking metaphorically until that last sentence. Hehe.

For some reason that was driving me nuts after the last episode. Now it'll probably haunt y'all as well, like when someone points out a speech impediment you never noticed your teacher had before. :D

I really dig this show, I was watching some older episodes today, leaving them on to run while I was working. Except for that ridiculous boxing episode, Season 3 isn't that bad. I just hope the writers have a long term plan.

Ummmm.

That's all I got to say about that, freakin' Dylan tunes?

As soon as I heard "said the Joker to the thief", I started humming All Along the Watchtower. Lots of interesting stuff to keep folks thinking until the next season, except the last minute seemed almost too far-fetched.

All in all a good season closer.

Ithought it was pretty weaksauce. was expecting better.and what the hell is with the 8 month lay-off?

Ok so I am hating my self. I boycott because of the stupid Starbuck twist and now I miss the last two episodes.. ARGH! Time to hunt em down on the net I guess. Did manage to see the last 5 minutes last night. Loved the cover of Hendrix: All Along the Watch Tower. Yes I know it was a Dylan tune but his sucks. As far as Im concerned it a Hendrix orignal.

Don't read this if you haven't watched last night's (3/25) episode:

Here's my theory:

Roslin is a cylon.

The four "cylons" from last night's episode aren't cylons but are actually humans from the 13th colony, Earth. How they ended up on the 12 colonies, I can't explain.

The show was good, but the last 30 seconds made me squirm, and then the "Returns in 2008" was like, ouch.

I don't know about Tigh, Anders, Tory, and Tyrol being cyclons or not. It seems likely that they are, because why else would they all feel that pull and have the same realization at the same time. To back track now will seem hokey, I think. The question becomes between Roslin and Starbuck if those 4 are cyclons. Roslin had the quick pain just before the power went out fleet wide, and, obviously, how the hell did Starbuck survive?

My other question is, knowing how much arriving at Earth killed the first series, what do the writers plan to do now that they have pretty much set the expectation that they will be there soon? Some Moses in the desert type scenario (considering this shows penchant for religious allegory) or will they actually land?

Oh, and exactly what caused the power outage? The incoming cyclons? They haven't ever shown that power before. The "disciples of Baltar" seemed awfully well placed for the power outage, but that would be a big undertaking and I'm not sure I believe that Baltar has that many fans in the fleet or that they are that sophisticated.

Roslyn has cancer..... can cylons have cancer? Is it a cover? I love that hendrix is on BOTH (Earth and Caprica et al) planets.... that just makes the show more crazy to me.

Why didn't roslyn hear the music?

Sumfin' fishy and very crazy is going on.

Well, so much for my theory (http://www.eonline.com/gossip/kristin/blog/index.jsp?uuid=4d1c0568-6fee-467a-8d81-1d360d808ac3). (Don't click if you don't want to know... its not a spoiler, just clarification of what happened in the season finale)

That is the way I saw it.... However, Roslyn's character has some connection to the cylons but I just don't see her as being one. Did I read that correctly that it will be 8 months until the next season?

On a side note the final "season" of SG1 is coming up the first week in April (friday).

This show is dead to me.

I liked the last episode, although it wasn't as edgy as some of the other season finales. I may have to go over the last two again to pick up what I can from the whole, "oh, we're all cylons!" bit. Didn't see that coming at all, although Starbuck was very expected.

The music at the end was a little strange, just a big departure from the usual drumming, rhythmic stuff. Good song, but so very out of place.

I really liked Baltar's trial, and Lee's statement. That's more the sort of writing I expect from the authors. Much of the rest of the story seemed rushed to me.

http://www.just-whatever.com/2007/03/10/battlestar-galactica-cast-in-the-simpsons-style/

Came up in a recent Stumble. Just a silly set of pictures, but I thought it might be of interest.

I can't say I'm suprised Tyrol is a cylon; I have often thought that. Col. Tigh was a surprise though as was Anders. I never really cared much for the other chick so meh. I don't understand the Starbuck thing though, seriously WTF.

It's gotta be in Lee's head. Her viper blew up. How would she get another viper?

Unless the blowing up was in his head. Or they have a stockpile on Earth, and she borrowed one. Maybe the Cylons were nice and lent her one?

I'm still trying to figure out how the music played into the entire thing. This is starting to feel like the Matrix, where they just throw out random crap to screw with your head, and keep leaving you with more questions instead of answers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/fireslayer1672/cylon.jpg

Bleh, no BSG last night. I forgot. is it really 8 months until the next show?

There's a 2 hour (2 episode) "event" toward the end of this year, but other than that, nothing new till Season 4. From what I hear, the event will deal with Pegasus, so it will be in the past, not where we currently are. But supposedly some things that happen in it will have a bearing on or come to fruition in season 4.

OK lets do some supposition here, hell with 8 or 9 months to go we got alot of time to speculate.
if the writers are indeed following the "lore" the final minutes of season 3 actually make sense. I.E. what we saw was the ground work for introducing the "biengs of light".
I don't see them as "divine" so much as a highly evolved race looking to help out the apes so to speak. sorta like the Ancients from SG-1 or the Vorlons from babylon 5.
Would explain alot. the fleet wide power outage was induced to mask "thier arrival" and prevent any scanner/Draedis(sp) contacts. very much like real world UFO encounters reports echo the same thing.
This would also tie in nicely with Starbucks destiny thing.
If these "beings" are capable of blacking out the whole frakking fleet makes sense that they could beam out starbuck seconds before her Viper exploded.(hello captain Kirk)
But then again, the writers have 8 months to pull something outta thier ass to justify the non-sense of season 3.

I haven't watched TV in nearly 2 months...and I caught up on BSG today. The trial was great, 'nuff said about that except that I pity Jamie Bamber -- he plays the most co-optable character in TV history.

I don't think Tigh, etc. are Cylons, at least not exactly. I kept waiting for a 5th to show up, making them analogous to The Five, but that didn't happen. I noticed between segments that they had another of those irritating multiple choice questions: Who do you think is making the music? The answers were a) humans, b) cyclons, c) a 3rd party unrevealed.

The fact that they even asked the question suggests #3 to me (or, trick question, all of the above).

The song and Starbuck's reprisal tell me they do know where they're going with all this. I don't get the same irritability in the gut with BSG as I do with Lost, though they're walking a thin line.

On the plus side, BSG knows how to end a season -- with a desperate, action-filled situation that can take our minds off the mind-fucking once it starts back up.

Come DragonCon, I'm going to take one of cast to the interrogation room for a little chat. ;)

I kept waiting for a 5th to show up, making them analogous to The Five, but that didn't happen.Ah, Starbuck would make Five. These five are analogues of The Five in some way, and they hold the keys to finding earth. I'm guessing they receive the music through some kind of transmission that they're wired to pick up or a signal which is keyed to trigger memories (Sam or Tyrol likened the experience to remembering something out of childhood).

This also answers another question: What era do the colonialists live in compared to earth? It's at least after Dylan performed that song.

That's a good question. The use of the Dylan song in particular bothered me, as it really screws with any sort of time line they've so far established. Sounded like someone was just a fan of the song (who isn't?) and made a bad choice including it.

I'm remembering things like the Hummer back on Caprica, as well. Some of the strange inconsistencies with a low budget series.

Final season confirmed: http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2463&Itemid=99

Bah, beat me to it. This is actually a good thing I think.

I agree and am hoping that it influences the producers of other story-based programs to plan ahead for an ending (Lost, I'm looking at you).

Final season confirmed: http://iesb.net/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=2463&Itemid=99




damn damn damn damn!!!
:mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad: :devil:mad:

Don't worry gaediianiel... it's not true (http://www.scifi.com/scifiwire/index.php?id=41457).

Yeah. It is. (http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20070601/tv_nm/battlestar_dc)

WTF is wrong with Sci-fi??? They kill off Dr. Beckett from SG:A and now kill off BSG? Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll add more god damn wrestling. Jesus.

AICN notes (http://www.aintitcool.com/node/32918) from a Galactica event. There's a spoiler of sorts in there (though nothing we haven't talked about), though given Moore's willingness to engage in misdirection (e.g., faking cast and crew -- even Sackoff's family -- on Starbuck's 'death') it may just be a planted meme.

Thanks for the link, Thor - it has been an amazing show, largely *because* it's been such a 'human', gritty story - and I hope the final season does the promise of the first two seasons justice, and reading Olmos' and McDonnell's interplay and responses was particularly enjoyable...

FYI, I thought the 'All Along the Watchtowers' theme music thing was cheesy and overblown - I wish they hadn't used something familiar (although if it had been a pop song known to *them*, but not to us, I might have found it more palatable).

Thanks for that link Thor; was an interesting read but it's still is hard swallow knowing this season is the last :(

One of the things about Babylon 5 that I enjoyed was knowing it was a finite story, and that it was moving to a conclusion. I think BSG is actually best served the same way.

The real downside is there's no other show like it. Babylon5 came close, but even they got caught up in silly stories after a while. It's like no one knows how to write decent SciFi anymore.

I'm hoping they keep things moving at a better pace than the last season. The New Caprica story arc just dragged on endlessly.

One of the things about Babylon 5 that I enjoyed was knowing it was a finite story, and that it was moving to a conclusion. I think BSG is actually best served the same way.

Bylimet, just a side note..... I believe the French woman in Lost is Delynn the Membari chick that the lead character is married to in B5.... no?

Bylimet, just a side note..... I believe the French woman in Lost is Delynn the Membari chick that the lead character is married to in B5.... no?

Yes, her name is Mira Furlan.

Mira Furlan is also Rousseau from Lost.

*blinks* yeah :)

http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c201/gaediianiel/bsg.jpg

CAN NOT FRAKKING WAIT

and if you need a recap (http://video.scifi.com/player/?id=224004)

I've been salivating for months now. they had better do this right!!

WTF is wrong with Sci-fi??? They kill off Dr. Beckett from SG:A and now kill off BSG? Maybe we'll get lucky and they'll add more god damn wrestling. Jesus.


Beckett is back!

When does it start again?

April 4th, I believe.

As long as they don't decide to drag it on and on if and when they reach earth. (Shades of Galactica:1980 anyone?)
Can see a spin off of the series tho.

I watched Razor last night as I found it in the back of my DVD pile this weekend. Good stuff, I can't wait for season to start :)

So the blond cylon is jesus?

And no matter how much I enjoy the show, "frak" is so lame it hurts everytime someone says it.

I like FRAK!, I think it's a brilliant way to let them write realistic dialoge while still making it watchable without an R rating. I know what the words supposed to mean my subconcious already transposes the two when viewing. it would be much less a show if writen in a family friendly way.

I also like frack and felgercarb. It was quite ballsy back in 1977 for them to even attempt to include words like that. I'm glad they kept it in the new version.

Frak, when used in moderation doesnt bother me. But when every other frakking word is frak, it frakking bugs the frak out of me. Frakkers.

Frak, when used in moderation doesnt bother me. But when every other frakking word is frak, it frakking bugs the frak out of me. Frakkers.

Well, frak you! :eek:

I also like frack and felgercarb. It was quite ballsy back in 1977 for them to even attempt to include words like that. I'm glad they kept it in the new version.
I think it was Aaron Douglas who put it best: "Frak is a 4-letter word." ;)

April 4th is the day. I still have Razor sitting on TiVo to catch before the premier. So far, Aaron Douglas, Richard Hatch, James Calliss, Jamie Bamber, and Leah Cairns (Racetrack) are slated for DragonCon, but that's not til September. This is a tricky show to bring an end to, but they're handling it in a creative (or bizarre, depending on your view) manner. I wish Sci-Fi would have extended it for another season, but as some of the cast put it, "They don't know how to handle a hit of this magnitude."

Frak off Byl! :)

I absolutely can't wait to watch this. My Season 3 set just shipped from amazon and I'm looking forward to catching up on a couple of the finer plot lines before #4 starts. woo!!

Caprica's apparently greenlit, at least for a pilot, dealing with Adama's lawyer father and the guy who made the Cylons.

I absolutely can't wait to watch this.

To help get you by, you can also pick up any of the "Berserker" books by Fred Saberhagen; those will show you just how dark and disturbing BSG could have gotten. :devil

Frak off Byl! :)

My Season 3 set just shipped from amazon

Was just over at Target, and there was one copy of this on the shelf, so I was compelled to buy it and will be all refreshed when the new season opens as well. And I blame Giena! :D

april 4th? I thought it was tomorrow?

So no comments?

Ok I guess I can see why after watching my DVR'ed copy...

bleh. I waited over a year for that??

Well, I had to work today, so could not comment until now.

I enjoyed the episode. For the most part, things were going kind of how I expected, like with Starbuck being viewed as a possible Cylon now after her absence. I wasn't expecting any major earth-shaking season opener, but more of a continuation of the last episode, which is what I got.

The breaking off of the attack after the identification of one of their own on a Viper said to me that there is a larger plan afoot.

And, I am wondering if a certain small child "saved miraculously" by Balthar's prayers might be Number 5.

I need to go watch all of Season 3, because I did miss a lot of episodes.

I thought this episode was great. Lots of tension. The battle scenes give me chills so they are so stunning visually.

The whole Baltar/Jesus thing kinda had me going wtf though.

You don't want to join the cult of Baltar?

It was a good episode, back to some of the feeling of Season 2 before Season 3 mired down. I'm still believing the writers are making this up as they go, so it's hard to draw any conclusions or predictions from the episode.

SciFi.com has the episode up, although the compression is terrible. Anyone know why iTunes pulled all of their BSG episodes, including the old series?

Loved the episode, most of it was what I pretty much expected, except for the Baltar story line. I didn't much care for the Cult of Loonies story line, still don't actually.

I'm not sure I've ever liked Baltar since he was captured by the Cylons.

Answered the iTunes question - http://www.webomatica.com/wordpress/2007/08/31/battlestar-galactica-razor-update-no-itunes-downloads/

It was a great episode, though I have to admit I wasn't surprised at all. I think they were more concerned with getting as many people set up as the possible last unknown cylon so they can f**k our minds later. They're good at that hehe.

I dont think the 5th is that little kid though, since we saw the five, albeit in big robes outlined by the bright light, in the Church scene. Or was it a library, I forget, but I hope you guys know what scene I'm referring to. All 5 were adults, and since the cylons dont clone as kids...

I am curious as to what that scan did Anders though.

Thoughts about Starbuck being set up to be the obvious 5th? What with the brand spanking new viper she's flying and having no real memories of what happened, not to mention the gun camera footage from Apollos Viper when she blew up.

I haven't seen it yet, was in ATL this weekend and damn I forgot to TiVo it. Anyone have a copy or a link to some place I can watch it? :(

Fil...forgot to TiVo it? I'm sorry, thats a 15 yard penalty and a $300 fine. Next round of drinks is on you!

Linkage for you (http://www.scifi.com/rewind/?sid=32850&eid=236036)