On Google! (http://www.google.nl/search?q=miserable+failure&ie=UTF-8&oe=UTF-8&hl=nl&lr=)

Ok mebbeh for Nuggets but since some of us find insulting Bush a reason to declare war on people I figured I post it here...

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Hello Ytrok.
Bye Ytrok.

No Offense mr. Kivorn, but that wasn't Ytrok.
That was me .. and I am not Ytrok.

So .. can you stop being the Failed gestapo wannabe and give me back my IP range???

I would very much appreciate it.

Oh and in case you wonder ... I can still post (as you can see) using any frigging IP I like (again as you can see) but I much rather just use my own handle + ip range to post from.

Thanks for you considderation...

And in the future .. check with the poster first before you jump to conclusions..

Sincerely yours ...

NozzMan

Hahahah! Howdy, VJ! Long time, no see.

How did you ever manage to get banned? I always thought you were somewhat level-headed, even though blindly enraged with all things "establishment". Yet while I was gone for a while you evidently had a break-down of some sort. An "episode", as they say. What happened to you? Oh, wait, you can't answer that now. Nevermind!

Ahh well, see you later!

I suggest you mail him?

Shouldn't be all that hard to figure out his e-mail ...

That is if you really care....

NozzMan

GOGO 2 POST ANON TROLLS.

And to the original "I h8 buHS" poster.

Your attempts to stir up shit are even more pathetic than Ytrok's

If you ARE Ytrok, then you've slipped man.

Same ISP.
Same type of language.
Same kind of posts.
Member since... RalfTheNederlands was banned.
Anonymous account, no connection to an ingame character.
Angzt Gegner history only reflects posts on ayonae.ro, and only 27 such in total, indicating the account is only used here.

... called me gestapo, which means your ass is fried as far as appeals go.

Well done Kivorn.

Sad to say that, but "famous french victories" was funnier. :(

That ownage was so good it hurts.

It's not your turn, it's my turn! I Want to push the button!

Several of Ytroks friends play EQ. they live close to him, they are dutch, they have the same ISP and they most likely use the same language since they dislike Bush just as much.

Now I don't know this guy that posted, but in my opinion its highly unlikely that this is Ytrok. I know him in RL well enough to say so.
You got indications, but its not good enough to justify an immediate ban. And after all it was just a joke about a goodle search.

My 2 cp.

I demand a ban on ALL Dutch!

Bush is a failure though.

How many homeless people did he kill today because he was too busy trying to blow up muslims for not being christian?

Silly people .....

Kivorn, I don't know you but you seem a bit obsessed. Maybe it is time for you to realize that what sometimes seems obvious isn't allways what it seems.

Now feel free to ban this account for reasons that are only clear to you .. as you may have noticed it doesn't really matter to me.

You creating a new account = 10 mins.

Kiv Banning you = 5 secs.

Kiv wins!

How many homeless people did he kill today because he was too busy trying to blow up muslims for not being christian?

What are you doing for the homeless people? Oh thats right not your problem. FUCK HOMELESS PEOPLE. There is no excuse for it.

What are you doing for the homeless people? Oh thats right not your problem.
Even if it's problably a true assertion that most people don't do anything (/waves myself), it's as well probably an fast shortcut to think someone doesn't.

How many homeless people did he kill today because he was too busy trying to blow up muslims for not being christian?

Hi! My name's Xanaron, and my mommy didn't have enough change for me when the Clue-Wagon came down our street, so I had to go without.

So...remind me again why Ytrok was banned?

Ahkums Razor! ( i know i had to butcher the spelling of that.)

Taino, This is enough evidence to justify a unilateral, pre-emptive invasion of Ytrok's homeland. :p

Let me be extremely clear on something:
By posting anonymously you are taking risks.

Now that being said, it's fairly moot by now.

nmb (not my beef)

Hi! My name's Xanaron, and my mommy didn't have enough change for me when the Clue-Wagon came down our street, so I had to go without.

Find me the numbers on how much your fucking president spends on military shit compared to getting rid of the homeless person issue, then you can open up your cock hole.
I already know he doesn't care about homeless people, because they can't pay his paycheck.
(and please, next time you respond to me, make it intelligent, kk?)

What are you doing for the homeless people? Oh thats right not your problem.

Giving them opportunities to work and get their life back in order instead of just ignoring them and letting them spread diseases across my country. for starters...

So...remind me again why Ytrok was banned?

Ytrok was banned because his sig was 1 picsel over size.
Well thats the official reason given to him.

Mighti, Ytroks wife was banned because, well noone ever gave a reason, but I can only assume that it was done because she is married to him.

Actually it was because he was posting through her account. Pay attention next time.

Giving them opportunities to work and get their life back in order instead of just ignoring them and letting them spread diseases across my country. for starters...

We do give them opportunities....McDonalds.

oh yes, I forgot you guys hire anybody at McDonalds.
In Canada you need a B average or graduation.

so most homeless people can't flip burgers here.

Your Canadian? Well, that explains it.

Actually Xan ole bean...

A large percentage of the Homeless are there due to lack of desire.

There are jobs available, there is schooling available and still they turn up their noses.

Trust me, I did some volunteer work and tried to direct them to help.

I got, 80% of the time, "Don't try to help me man, give me money"

SOooOO spare me the bullshit "Pres Bush spends too much on military when he should be saving the homeless"

They don't want to be saved....

Christopher...

thanks fanny, that's what I was looking for. some facts.
all I have ever seen when I was in the states was homeless people just sitting there and everybody throwing them money. You don't give homeless people money, it only makes them lazier :(

but, after reading what you wrote. maybe I was out of line saying you guys don't care about homeless people.

"B" average required to flip fucking burgers?

Thats pathetic, if they really wanted to help homeless ppl in canada they would let anyone that is not completely retarded take the job, like we do here in America.

There are plenty of jobs avaliable, and by the government or citizens giving bums money just makes them lazier.

"B" average required to flip fucking burgers?

yes, because many students hold these jobs and McDonalds would like their employees to graduate and expect them to be able to attend work while still having good grades.
They don't want to get in the way of the education of our youth.
personally, I like the idea, a lot.

Screw the serious conversation Xan...

Let's go get a brew and find a hockey game!!!

Christopher...

OMG HOCKEY !!

shit, that takes my mind off of everything else.

I <3 Hockey

"If you build a homeless man a fire he'll be warm for one night, but if you set a homeless man on fire he'll potentially be warm for the rest of his life"?

Oh look..
Xan is happy because Canada doesnt have a homeless problem.
Ya know why
ITS TOO FUCKING COLD.
if your homeless... you dont go to Canada..

Fuck... its like Miami bragging they dont have any skiiing accidents.

haha L2, we have a huge homeless problem here as well.
but we put alot of money into trying to change that.

Yeah, we put alot of money for homeless people, but social help gives money to people who dont have a job, and most of them never find a job once they get that money. Most homeless people are actually lazy people who dont wanna work, so im not really into that social help thing we got.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

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Actually it was because he was posting through her account. Pay attention next time.

This is a lie.
Ytrok did not post on Mighti's account.
This excuse was used to ban Mighti.

Let me track something for you.
Ytrok was once suspended. He bypassed by creating an account, claiming to be a co-worker, and engaging in a debate regarding his suspension.
This co-worker, called ralf, mysteriously disappeared when Ytrok was reinstated as a normal poster.

Besides this particular incident, Ytrok has been suspended on yet another occasion, and he bypassed his suspension by doing exactly what Angzt is doing now. In the end he was convinced it was against his best interest to stop.

In the end why he was banned I frankly do not remember, it wasn't my doing. But as I recall it was something about making a signature larger than what's required, bragging about it, and daring us to do something about it. Oops, we took the dare.

But shortly after he was banned Milyenu, who never previously had engaged in the political debates (only in other sections of the board) all of a sudden entered the fray with amazing zeal. Due to Ytrok's history, she was banned as well, and this is basically what's happened to Angzt as well.

In all, civil disobediance only hurts bystanders. It's in the public's interest to maintain order within its own community because all actions taking by authoritarian leadership hierarchies carry splash damage and anonymous people simply have nothing to shield themselves with.But that's too much reality for a lot of people. Also, by choosing to be without an identity you also lose the protection an identity provides you with. Of which Taino is an excellent example. He has his views, views that continuously get persecuted on these boards, and he's even taken a few stints at public disobediance... BUT he's always rolled over before push came to shove, taking care to get his point across without getting crushed by the blind impotent giant that is board moderation. He's also used his IDENTITY as Taino to create a solid front, he doesn't fool around with multiple accounts or dick around with illusionary moves. Taino is protected by that identity. There's no way he'll get caught in a splash action. Taino's bright. Ytrok wasn't.

But shortly after he was banned Milyenu, who never previously had engaged in the political debates (only in other sections of the board) all of a sudden entered the fray with amazing zeal. Due to Ytrok's history, she was banned as well, and this is basically what's happened to Angzt as well.

I am very glad you explained it so well.
It proves my point.
Milyenu was banned because she had a simular opinion as ytrok and voiced it. Same thing goes for Angtz.

In all, civil disobediance only hurts bystanders. It's in the public's interest to maintain order within its own community because all actions taking by authoritarian leadership hierarchies carry splash damage

It is true that you have the power to ban anyone that has a different opinion, the thing that I dont agree with is that you just seem to do it.
No proof no nothing, make a post you don't like and get banned.
Well it may not be fair, but who cares as long as it keeps the rest of the board in line.
This is all about power and abuse of power.
Moderators have this power and you just told me that you don't see any problem in abusing it.
As you said yourself Angtz did nothing wrong except making a post simular to Ytroks "style" and being Dutch.
That was you're reason to ban him.
Well I can call that many different things, but I better not because if I do say what I think I will most likely be banned.

I'm Dutch so I have to be very carefull not to make a post in Ytrok's "style".

Same ISP.
Same type of language.
Same kind of posts.
Member since... RalfTheNederlands was banned.
Anonymous account, no connection to an ingame character.
Angzt Gegner history only reflects posts on ayonae.ro, and only 27 such in total, indicating the account is only used here


Quite a bit more than just being Dutch.

Milyenu was banned because she had a simular opinion as ytrok and voiced it. Same thing goes for Angtz.

Seriously.. whats wrong with you? It was BLATENTLY OBVIOUS that Ytrok was posting on his wifes account.

Ytrok has serious mental problems. He couldnt just walk away and he cant let go. He has made multiple accounts and lied about who he is on the accounts. He is a bitter, sad and pitiful man. I kinda feel sorry for him, I hope he gets better.

So try to follow the sequence of events.
A. Ytrok gets banned.
B. He immediatly starts a new account. That gets Banned.
C. He then starts posting on his wifes account.
we know this because.
a) he posts on the old subjects he always did, in his old style, a style totaly different from his wifes who NEVER posted on the subjects.
b) he has a history of doing this.
D. This Angzt registers and starts posting after Milenu gets banned, His style causes a quick IP check.
Same ISP....
In Ytroks same style
On the same topics.
E. Nozzman.. same thing.

Ok... now the claim is that these are Ytroks Friends? Who have no EQ characters, yet decided to start posting right after their Friend gets banned? And they share the same ISP?

Fuck.. and you think Believing in God is stretch?
I have a easier time believing The Tooth Fairy spends time with Santa on a beach in Candyland.

>It proves my point.

haha

Balogh, Milyenu was banned because YTROK WAS USING HER ACCOUNT.

Remember, when there was talk about banning Jessamyn because that lackwit troll Trilikin was living with her?

Of course you don't, because Ytrok recruited you to do battle for him, only after he was banned.

Same ISP.
Same type of language.
Same kind of posts.
Member since... RalfTheNederlands was banned.
Anonymous account, no connection to an ingame character.
Angzt Gegner history only reflects posts on ayonae.ro, and only 27 such in total, indicating the account is only used here.

Woot gratz same ISP weeeeeeeeeeee
Well thats a bowl of crap, if you knew anything about the dutch ISP market you would know that we only have 3 ISP's,
KPN owns 95% of all connections, so there is a 95% change that if you are dutch you have the same ISP as Ytrok.
Same ISP proves absolutly nothing.

Same kind of language, weeeee another brilliant argument.
We all get Englisch from the same books and our teachers have the same schooling, wow we sound alike and we make the same mistakes weeeee what a surprise.

Same kind of post, OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHH
Well that is another brilliant argument really, there are so many different kinds of posts all 3 types, OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Won't people with the same political ideas make simular posts?
NAH

Real great arguments all.

So the only argument that stands is :
Member since... RalfTheNederlands was banned.
Anonymous account, no connection to an ingame character.
Angzt Gegner history only reflects posts on ayonae.ro, and only 27 such in total, indicating the account is only used here.

So he does not have an ingame char and only posts on this board. Lets ban all accounts that do that, starting with all the "retired" people.

Balogh, Milyenu was banned because YTROK WAS USING HER ACCOUNT.

This is false and a outright lie.
Ytrok did not post on Milyenu's account.
I have not seen one single shred of proof of this, other then assumptions and pregedice.
Simply because a wife continues to post in her husbands style does not mean that it is her husbands posting. It is very likely that Mily has the same political views as her husband and that they share the same values.
After Ytrok was banned, he might have become a marter and his wife might have decided to continue the battle where he was stopped (most likely in her mind unjust).
Offcourse the posts are gonne be simmular and highly inspired by Ytrok himself.
But is this reason to ban her aswell?
In my opinion NO.
Milyenu has a right to continue where Ytrok stopped.
Ytrok was "officially" banned because of his sig being to big and not because of his political views.
Well thats the official reason, but by banning Mily and now Angtz this reason seems to be abused to stop political views.
It's easy now to ban dutch just accuse them of being Ytrok and they get banned.
No proof necessary you just have to be one of the 5 million people that have an internet connection with KPN and have 3 years of highschool englisch. Then you get banned.
It's very comforting to know that I won't get banned because im one of the 5% that has a different ISP.
Wow lucky me.

I have a huge principal problem with the banning of Mily and Angtz, simply because there was absolutly no proof that it was Ytrok, only circumstantial evidence that applies to 95% of the dutch Internet population.
Well congratz you just banned a whole country because Ytrok made his sig 1 picsel to big.

BULLSHIT.

Milyenu rarely posted a god damn thing until Ytrok was banned.

At the very least he was using her as proxy to post his nonsense through.

How many of those 5 million people KNOW the address to this board, and post in the same fashion that Ytrok did? There are unique identifiers that single him/his cronies out.

Too bad Kiv cant obtain the MAC addresses of these poor banned users. That would help explain alot.

I love how these individualism proponents are now trying to hide inside a stereotype/generalization.

I have not seen one single shred of proof of this, other then assumptions and pregedice.

And you have proof that it wasnt? I dont mean the cause i say so proof. I mean hard evidence?

But is this reason to ban her aswell?
In my opinion NO.

Well then, it's a good thing no one gives a shit about your opinion. Most of us agree that it was Ytrok posting through her account. This is by no means a democracy, but when an Admin is part of that majority..bye.

How many of those 5 million people KNOW the address to this board, and post in the same fashion that Ytrok did? There are unique identifiers that single him/his cronies out.

Well .. 10 in our office know (same building / isp / router / IP that Ytrok posts on)

Hope that helps ..

And I rather not get into this discussion because I may get banned for being Dutch, having same ISP, having the same language "style" and for probably agreeing with the fact we (the Dutchies) in general feel Bush is a moron.

And yes I made my account about the time you banned other people because 1 of those people pointed out this board to me for being banned due to "sounding like" someone who is in this building.

Yep your right. You may have just earned yourself a ban. You deserve it too you dutch freak.

And yes I made my account about the time you banned other people because 1 of those people pointed out this board to me for being banned due to "sounding like" someone who is in this building.
Masochist a bit? :P