Bush's trip to Baghdad is kept secret (http://www.msnbc.com/news/998811.asp)

I just read where Pres. Bush made a secret trip to Baghdad for Thanksgiving Day. Reading this makes me very happy. To know that he was willing to take that time out of this holiday with his family and visits our troops was a very good sign. Hopefully that wills raise his popularity with the people again. Wheither or not people want to believe it, Bush has been a very good Pres. Yes I do think he is trying to clean up after his father, but who better to go after Saddam then the son of the man that kind of started it all. (yes i know Saddam started it, i'm just saying)

From what I can tell the trip's secrecy was kept very well also. His people know how to cover something up very well. After all his father and mother didn't even know about it untill they arrived at his ranch in Texas for Thanksgiving Day turkey.

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It's kind of a military tradition that on Thanksgiving the commander serves his troops on Thanksgiving, and him being the " Commander in chief " it was fitting for him to be there.

That move was straight up class.

Made alot of people real happy.

I agree. I think that proved he is a leader and not just a beurocrat. Pretty gutsy call to make.

I hate Bush with a passion, but i gotta say that was a good gesture.

I like Bush simply on the fact that he does shit like this. Sure he's not the smartest guy, and not the best with words. But the fact that he's more like a person, admits his and his families fuck ups and still goes on to do his job and seems like a genuine guy gives me more respect for him than I would have for a leader who is super smart and an asshole that cares for nothing but himself and pleasing the bureaucracy.

oh please!

impress the hell outa me Bush and live there for a month or two if its so fuckin safe! if sadam's reign of terror is over wtf ya need all the security and secrecy for? seriously! you shoulda taken yer chicken shit ass out to the desert and had the showdown sadam offered and put your life where you put so many other's lives.

fucking politicians. and hes got so many of you people eating out of his hand with his bullshit stunts. sheep!

KMA you fucking git....

Bush didn't go over there to prove how safe it was....

He went to show appreciation and honor those that serve over there during such dangerous times.

KMA, go back to nag where you can at least act like you know what's going on...

Fandros Finglaflin
USAF Vet and yes I served in the original Desert Storm...

Think it was a pretty good public move and politic as far as I m concerned. I don't like him but must admit he was smart on this one and he had the guts to go in baghdad at least :)

/agreed Kinu...

Fandros

i rest my case.. Kinu bought it.

yeah so gutsy to fly in there under cover of the military and secret service and whatever other security he needed to make it completely safe. he's a fuckin monkey and people like fandros that buy his line of bullshit hook line and sinker are proof that the US is governed by the lowest common denominator.

yer a fuckin sheep fandros plain and simple. you lack the brains to think for yourself so you craved a lifestyle where you thought you could make up for it with balls. all you needed was someone to think for you and arm you and point you in the right direction. fuckin dumbass.

hahaha

Heh. Count me in the flock as well. I most assuredly will be voting for him again in '04. Then again i'm a free market conservative. My "lifestyle" has done nothing but impoved since he was in office. Thank you Mr. Bush. You have my vote. Now excuse me while I got get a sandwich.

Ahh KMA, the remainder of the once vast cockroach army.

KMA who are you again?

Thanks you piece meal jackass. Until you man up and tell us who you are I could give two shits about what you mutter between breaths of inhaling your dad's scrot.

Just be glad for the sheep like me, who defend your right to be a worthless piece of shit.

Back to topic, because well you are one inbred fool, there are reasons for joining the USAF and associated military arms than you can imagine.

One being paying for what you enjoy. Serving so that you aren't a burden for those that came before you. Seeing the world beyond your backyard ( Lived in Europe for awhile, was great!!).

Honor, pride, self reliance and a desire to be more than you are.

Things alien to pond scum of your caliber. You have shown time and again KMA, that you are a craven backwashing fool.

Be a man, show us your mettle and be proud of your opinions (if indeed they are your own).

Until you own up, don't bother those of us proud to serve and proud to be American....

Ahhhh btw Iraq is hardly a safe place to be. Under the best circumstances your life is in danger at all times. Hell I was playing Basketball in the compound...buddy of mine was driving for a layup and a damn hole suddenly appeared in the backboard....They took his head the following Saturday, invited us all to attend....I declined to witness his death at the hands of locals...Friend of mine that went still has nightmares...

So KMA, you ever serve in the Military? Thought not, likey the cub scouts are too good for the likes of you eh?

Fandros

Ahhh and btw I was in the USAF...

They didn't arm me, they gave me the tools to maintain the Avionics for the aircraft that flew the missions ;P

I now command a great civilian salary due to that training.

How's that basement apartment you rent from your daddy treating you???

Fandros

i must have forgotten to thank you fandros. so i'll take this oppurtunity now. thanks for being so brave and strong to stick yer head under an airplane and turn wrenches or punch the buttons they can teach monkeys like you to push in the defense of me and my existence.

can you sense the sarcasm? if you can't lemme be a little more blunt. you did shit and protected absolutdely nobody from anything, and for all that brave hard work you are more than fucking welcome to the education that you would not have otherwise received, whether it be because of your ignorance or lack of funds, that MY tax dollars allowed you.

you are why i hold some in the military with such contempt and disdain. thank you for existing to validate my own opinions. you demand my respect and demand my patriotism and demand my undying gratitude for doing exactly what? fucking sheep. you were prolly an exceptional soldier tho fanny. thats what it takes these days.

you don't give a shit what i say so why the hell would you give less than a shit who i am? fuck off fandros you ego maniacal misfit. go polish your credentials and pat yourself on the back for doing jack shit. seems like something you're good at and take alot of pride in so impress someone that cares. why exactly are we back in iraq if such stellar slobs as yourself did so much protecting? go serve another 4 years fanny and impress me with your bullshit. fuck off chicken shit.

*reply to board laughing stock marz, intentionally absent*

I need to go to one of those Vegas things if only to bitch slap your stupid ass

Yep, it was indeed a smart publicity stunt.

I'd be the one shivering and shaking in a corner L2. internet badasses scare me. go on with yer bad self bitch.

KMA is nothin but a anon troll, until he becomes a unanon troll he and his opinions are completely worthless drivel.
PERIOD.

you are why i hold some in the military with such contempt and disdain.

Why because Fandros has become successful in life with the tools and discapline tought to him by the USAF. Whe should all be so lucky.

Hey!

I liked what he did. I thought it showed class and courage and leadership.

If Dubya wanted a 'publicity stunt', he would have done it all out in the open and got the entire press in on it well before Thanksgiving.

As it was, he did it 'for the troops', not for publicity.

More than made up for that aircraft carrier -'Mission Accomplished' stunt, which was pure publicity.

Maybe he's learning :)

With one swing, Dubya belted one outta the park.

I agree with Blaze.

KMA go fuck yourself out the door and off the boards.

NO one wants you around here.

Fuck, I'd rather have Hartmut around than you.

Marzy yer so cute when you get all red in the face and snotty nosed. Fuckin lil kid. I'm crushed you don't like me or my opinions. Wait. No actually i'm ecstatic you find my opinions offensive and disgusting. You are exactly the kind of person i despise and hold in contempt. As long as there's dipshits like you running around, i'm glad the founding fathers granted me the right to defend myself from fuckwits like you and fandros and L2.

When it comes right down to it, kid, i'm more than comfortable giving up my life for something i believe in. You know who i trust to make that decision for me? Sure as shit isn't that facist you so eagerly support. It's me. I can thoroughly understand why dipshits like you and fandros need people to tell you what is and isn't important for you though, I'm just not arrogant or ignorant enough to think I'm that person. You on the other hand seem quite oblivious to both your arrogance and ignorance so i leave you to wallow.

stop feeding the insignifacant anon troll you blithering idiots.

This is like the episode of South Park where Big Gay Al wants to have gays in the boy scouts, and then after he wins his case he realizes that people are now being prejudice to the people who were prejudice and decides that its ok to not have gays in the scouts.

What I find funny is....

KMA grouping folks up so he can insult them at will...

He assumes that since we support and applaud Bush's visit to Iraq that we're suddenly without free will.

Boy, and I use this term loosely, when you man up and you have set drop then we'll treat your words with the proper respect.

Apparently your so vulnerable and thin skinned you have to cling to your anon status to save you from the harsh realities of the real world.

You've done nothing, been nothing and will continue to be the patch of grass I piss on till you man up...

Fandros
"I earned my stripes, did you?"

Ahh you must have a huge pair Fanny. To be so brave and fearless laying under those planes with nothing but your balls to protect you from the bad men. You earned your stripes like the bitch that you are.

Why so infatuated with who I am Fanny? You gonna propose? You're lucky they changed that policy before you joined. My anon status saving me from the harsh realities of the real world...rofl are you fucking kidding me shithead? You're name is really Fandros? I wouldn't put it past the sorry excuse you call your parents to name you that, but i doubt that's your given name. Why are ya hidin' under a message board name Fanny? Don't look now Fanny but yer clinging!

Man up eh? Yeah i can't wait for the grade school spam in game from the shortbus crowd you call your friends. Don't worry Fanny its easier to just dismiss the truth and bury your head in the sand than to actually think and question ideas and philosophies. If who I am is what you base your opinions on or the validity of my arguements then you are even more stupid than i give you credit for. Go shove yer internet penis in yer internet ass you blowhard. Nobody gives a shit, Boy!

Fandros pretty much summed it up.

This post was about the President's visit to Iraq. YOU turned it into a fucking flame fest with that first post. Taking it into the typical "You like what Bush did, so you like EVERYTHING Bush did" post just to make yourself feel like a big man. Congrats! On warping the post in order to start shit for your starving ego. Even Halo and the rest were decent here.

I don't know you, I don't know your opinions, and I don't give a flying fuck what your problem is, but please don't waste your time on us here. I'm sure there is many a wastebasket to be emptied or whatever you believe in.

Can we please have a conversation or debate that doesn't degenerate into dork recess, or 'who can yell and insult the best'?

If ya wanna trash talk one another, I say 'take it to another thread', in which you can get all yer creative juices going and when I have a need for a good insult, I can just have a boo at that particular thread and grab one out of any post.

Witty repartee aside, GWB, in my opinion, did something good here. He didn't do it for fame or for publicity, he did it 'for the boys in uniform'. At least, that's where all the evidence points, in my view.

Had he wanted to use this as a 're-election campaign tactic, there would have been leaks to the media--his white house is notorious for leaking information--and yet this was a well-guarded plan. For safety, to be sure, but it's Air Force One and the president--I'm sure if he wanted the media circus in tow to Iraq, he would have been more than protected.

So, in my final analysis, I agree with Marz (Eep!)--this was straight up class by Dubya.

I gain nothing by saying this, either, for I'm not American, and, until this point, I haven't really liked George as a president at all.

If someone thinks that people are sheep for appreciating this visitation, then back that accusation up with more than flippant comments. You gain nothing for your arguement by saying "Just 'cause I said so, you sheep!'"

Who's the sheep? The one who takes each action by Dubya and weighs the relative merits (or lack thereof) against what's good, or the one who writes off every single action by Dubya as an affront to the world? I may not like Dubya, but at least my thought processes aren't so slanted that I read dastardly intentions and misdeeds into every single step the president makes.

Discernment, there's a concept.

Sorry but I must be mistaken. This story wasn't published in almost every paper in the country and Mr. President didn't really ask the press THAT WAS ACCOMPANYING HIM to take the batterries out of their cell phones. This was a blatant publicity stunt with no regard for the servicemen. His only agenda was to pander. The whole 'I'm with ya guys!' attitude he is trying to portray is laughable and offensive.

Marz there will never come a day that i need a handful of message board badasses acceptance to validate my manhood. All I see are a few monkeys jumping up and down clapping over a photo op by a president who isn't above using the situation for some much needed PR and poll ratings no matter how phony or insincere it appears.

Sorry but I must be mistaken. This story wasn't published in almost every paper in the country and Mr. President didn't really ask the press THAT WAS ACCOMPANYING HIM to take the batterries out of their cell phones. This was a blatant publicity stunt with no regard for the servicemen. His only agenda was to pander. The whole 'I'm with ya guys!' attitude he is trying to portray is laughable and offensive.

Of course it was published--why wouldn't it be? It's news!

And the cell phones--yeah, real tough--one word--security. "Loose lips sink ships"

I said it wasn't a publicity stunt--the press had no idea, nor were there 'loads of press' at the ready--having a "media circus" is something completely different than having the regular press corps that accompany the prez on any trip.

Please come up with something concrete. If the prez wanted to pander, the trip would have been announced and it would have been like a 'Bob Hope Special Presentation' (quite like the aircraft carrier landing, but I digress to my old self of not appreciating Dubya ;) )

As it was, it was done with little fanfare and 'pomp and circumstance', and the soldiers appreciated it. If the soldiers thought that Dubya's 'attitude' was good, and they didn't find it 'alughable and offensive', where's your beef on this particular issue?

What else ya got?

If you can't grasp the concept that the capital letters were put there for emphasis then I can't come up with much. It was a publicity stunt and it was politics. He brought the media with him on the plane? I understand why he didn't want the media to have batteries in their cell phones for security, but what i don't understand, following the logic you seem to think you have found, is WHY there were media on the plane at all. get it? geez i hope so :)

Card invited two reporters on the trip Tuesday night on the condition that they keep it secret. Other reporters and photographers were brought into the secret Wednesday, some of them searched out by White House aides in Texas just hours before the president’s departure.

sounds like a standard publicity stunt to me. Regular media people that accompany him on any flight? Please.

Jesus your fucking stupid..

just shut up and go kill yourself or something.

And I already pointed that out to you--there is 'white house press' that accompanies GWB on his trips. Get it?

What you fail to understand is the difference between that and a 'media free-for-all' that would have been there had Dubya wanted this thing to be a 'pandering event'.

News is one thing, media circus is something completely different. Aircraft carrier? Media circus, pandering, self promoting, television crews set up and waiting for the big fly-in. Thanksgiving dinner--few reporters that usually accompany GWB on most trips anyway, to report the news events that just may occur around the president.

Therein lies all the difference in the world.

Stop looking at all events whilst wearing the glasses of "Dubya's a moron". If you take this singular event, out of context to the rest of his presidency, and judge it on its own, you will see that it was specifically 'for the boys' in Iraq. I haven't read or seen anything that would suggest otherwise, nor have you shown me anything that would make me think differently.

No media circus, no big publicity campaign--before and now even after the event, no huge ornate dinner televised 'live' and 'pre-empting all other television shows'. Just the CIC having thanksgiving dinner with 'the boys'. Quiet, unassuming, and done with class.

What else is there to read in that event? I don't see the White House 'talking it up' like it was the seminal event of the year. I don't see the Press secretary focusing on it, even though most people thought it was a Good Thing (tm). I mean, with that kinda good feelings that the trip generated in many Americans, woudn't ya think that, had this been an actual 'pandering event', the current administration would be 'standing on the rooftops' shouting, "Look what a great guy Dubya really is, having dinner with the boys 'n all--y'all had him wrong until now! Shame on you!"

But, as yet (and maybe time will prove me wrong--I'm open to that), nothing has occured that would make me think this was done for the reason of bettering his polling numbers back home.

Again, I have nothing to gain by granting this respect to Dubya. But, imvho, he gets it.

I can thoroughly understand why dipshits like you and fandros need people to tell you what is and isn't important for you though


Actually Republicans favor SMALLER government...read NOT telling you what to do with your life. That's the Democrats my friends that figure they know whats best for you. I bet you did not know that since your still latched to your mothers tit and your dads mansack.

Jesus your fucking stupid

So you hate God, or can't spell, L2?

Damn I know, I had to take the cheap shot :)

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How many bullshit unneccessary laws passed by the democrats have the republicans REPEALED. yeah yeah they SAY they are for smaller government and more power to the states but their actions speak much louder than their campaign speeches.

just so ya don't look as stupid as fandros and L2 usually do, i haven't lived at home for 17 years and my house is paid for ( in case you missed the thread on public education and how much i hate having to pay property taxes to support renters and deadbeats kids like Marz and Fanny and L2 ). how bout you Os? you still payin rent or is your trailer leased?

L2 YOU'RE an irrelevant fuckin bitch. eat a dick you pussy. I'd invite you to the conversation but if you have such a hard time with your and you're, i doubt you could contribute anything interesting or relevant.

but if you have such a hard time with your and you're, i doubt you could contribute anything interesting or relevant
You're name is really Fandros?


Thanks, tard.

is that self ownage?

just so ya don't look as stupid as fandros and L2 usually do, i haven't lived at home for 17 years and my house is paid for

Yet you feel the need to come here and start these horse shit debates to feed your ego.

Funny.

Your wife must be getting the cock from a real man then.

i doubt you could contribute anything interesting or relevant.

Yup, and YOU sure are.

How many bullshit unneccessary laws passed by the democrats have the republicans REPEALED. (Missing question-mark in original.)

I can't disagree with that. They really should get to work on those.

just so... *snip* ...thread on public education... *snip* ...i (sic) hate having to pay property taxes to support renters and deadbeats (sic) kids... *snip* how (sic) bout you Os? you still payin rent or is your trailer leased?

Well, with glaring grammatical errors like that, I'd have to say I'd be pretty pissed at the state of public education too. Jolly good show!

Then onto the wonderful, "is your tailer leased" bit. I see, income is what we boil it all down to. "I must be better, and have a more valid opinion, because I don't live in a trailer house." Outstanding, Jeeves. Let's fire up the Bently and go spit upon the commoners! We'll celebrate with a bottle of Dom, and light some Cuban cigars with a couple of hundred dollar bills. The only thing lacking in your post is a good ol' sense of white pride! Why not make some snide comment along the lines of "coloreds live in the projects" next? If your disdain for a person extends to income, or choice of residence, please, call someone a "dirty nigger" next. It will be liberating for you to tell us what you think in words I'm sure you're used to using with alarming frequency. Go for it, Daddy Warbucks, you'll feel better showing us the real you.

L2 YOU'RE an irrelevant fuckin bitch. eat a dick you pussy. I'd invite you to the conversation but if you have such a hard time with your and you're, i doubt you could contribute anything interesting or relevant.

You'll probably find that a calf destined for your next fine plate of veal has more room to move than you do at this point. Really.

Although, with such poetic terms as "eat a dick you pussy", I'm sure there will be much enjoyment to be had with any discourse with you.

PS - I started out in a "trailer", as you so succinctly put it. How does it feel to be outclassed by one of the "commoners"?

You have been out of the house and spell and use grammar that badly? Granted, I misspell a bunch of shit but holy shit boy. I must simply know what you do for a living that allows you to have a "paid" house and yet still be so dysfunctional in communicating with everyday society. Please do share. By the way I am a house owner my self and work for the lovely state in which I live. Work for it's Dept. of Corrections as an officer. I'll tell your father your doing well.

I'll tell your father your doing well.

Hahaha!

Sensing a theme here assclown?

Nobody likes you or wants you around.

Oh.. and another thing, when I use Your over you're, its just in haste, the difference is I know the difference between the two. When you blatently misused it, you highlighted this for everyone, thanks for the self-ownage.
You seem to be 1 or 2 more lost braincells away from UR anyway.

'If Dubya wanted a 'publicity stunt', he would have done it all out in the open and got the entire press in on it well before Thanksgiving.'

- Don't know much about publicity stunts, huh?
That exact behaviour is publicity stunt gold-dust in itself.

As it was, he did it 'for the troops', not for publicity.I just spit my salad on the keyboard ffs.
You really have no clue, do you?
If he'd have done it for the troops, noone would know about it. But oh what a strange happening, reporters were there and it got public like mad.
And look on this forum. You and the other people finding this so great are exactly the result of it. The resons why he went there without "telling anyone" was exactly to get this reaction. It was a clever move.
Does he care about the troops? Yes, I am sure he does.
But did he go there for the troops? No, he went there to get publicity.

Damned if you do and damned if you don't...who cares?

He went and visited the troops and got some publicity from it..so fucking what. He could of chosen to sit on his ass and do nothing but watch football and eat his turkey like 90 percent of the US citizens did. Get over it.

/Eagerly awaiting the Dow Jones Industrial Average to hit 10k today. Oh and rest assured the Bush administration has nothing to do with the recent come back of the economy either../yawn. I know I know it was something the Clinton's did 5 years ago and we are now just feeling the effects.

Faust my comment about the fact that my home is paid for and is in fact owned by me was in response to Os's erroneous assertion that i am currently under age and living off my parents (or as he so colorfully put it "mansack" ). I illustrated how wrong he was on that assumption with a follow up dig at his background. petty? sure, but it got a reaction /shrug.

personally i could care less how much money one makes as it relates to their opinions on world politics. Fandros and L2 could live in million dollar mansions and have more money than they know what to do with and i'd still consider them some of the stupidest most easily manipulated sheep i've ever come across.

If you can't follow along in my posts without perfect punctuation and pparagraph structure then by all means, ignore my posts. If you can follow along and it upsets you, as it seems to have done, then i enjoy reading the replies.

i don't reply and respond much to halo or taino because their opinions are, for the most part, irrelevant and usually so far from the truth that they don't deserve a reply or response. Makes me wonder why marz and L2 and Fanny are so upset and hysterical.

good come back L2. "I do it because i'm in a hurry" "You do it because you're stupid". put alot of thought into that one. I could give a rats ass if you or anyone on this board likes me in the least. that's what makes it fun.


I'll tell your father your doing well.

(classic Os. slam me about my shitty grammar in yer post and turn right around and commit the same atrocity you condemn me for)

damn faust you're so quick to pounce on my mistakes and you let that one slide right on by. slippin my man, slippin.


Your wife must be getting the cock from a real man then.

if you're applying for the position Marz, i'm gonna have to let ya down easy. I'm not married though, so you can still have your fantasies.

Oh, Mr. Bush visited his soldiers?
He had two good options

1, Stay there, feed goats, and US elects a new president
2, Take home those who "serve over there during such dangerous times."

Donno about Bush's internal actions. might be a good president for you amigos over there. But sending out his army in order to get control over some oil, and don't have a clue what to do after his men/women (lol) fired for some million usd weaponry, so his military-industry can again receive some orders is just lame.

What you think why your soldiers are being slaughtered in iraq? whose fault is it? At least if the president of the superpower of earth decided to go for such a "raid", he could think about 1, at least 1 thing :

- What the holy shit i will do after my superior army defeats the enemy (whose most advance military equipment is 30 years old)?

And, my god, if he personally does not the mind to make a plan about his "international permormance" at least some of his advisors should have it.

Or admit they were lame and go home, so your soldiers don't have to die some tenthousand kilometres from their home, and they dont shoot dozens of civilians to death just because they are terrified.


Bush should visit some schools, not soldiers.

War is always good for the economy Ibudin. Clinton's fiscal policy was a joke. If he had yanked the UN's dick outa his ass he could have declared war on some third world country and enjoyed some of the success George seems to be enjoying now. I hear Afghanistan is ripe for the pickin if the socialists get back into the whitehouse and the economy takes a downturn.

I illustrated how wrong he was on that assumption with a follow up dig at his background. petty? sure, but it got a reaction /shrug.

Ahhh, and what a great way to take a dig at his background, by slighting an entire section of society based on the erroneous assumption that he lives in a trailer, and therefore must not be smart.

Reaction? To get a reaction? You could go onto an indian reservation and call everyone there a bunch of "no-good lazy injuns", and that would elicit a reaction. Does that make it right to do? What's stopping you? Pick on someone different to get a reaction, for entertainment? You're a masterpiece.

damn faust you're so quick to pounce on my mistakes and you let that one slide right on by. slippin my man, slippin.

I let that one slide by, and many others, because Os doesn't tend to make condescending judgements based on social strata, like you did. I was just intent on showing that obvious bizillionaires like you are far from flawless, even though being born with a silver spoon in your ass seems to make all the difference in the world to you. (Firemen make far less than Alec Baldwin, but I would debate you ANY day of the week with regard to who is more valuable to society. Of course, not in your little world where Bill Gates is Yaweh, and the common soldiers are shit. But you already think soldiers are beneath your contempt, right? Didn't you already say that? So, nothing I'm saying here is news to anyone.)

Condescending asshole. It's people like you that make me proud to drive an old Jeep or ugly brown Chevy pickup and be from an almost entirely military family. Pinky-lifting, snooty, classist, berry-picker is all I see when I read some of your posts.

You should go back to the plantation now, and leave us dirty proletariat to our filthy boards.

But oh what a strange happening, reporters were there

Air Force One has a built-in press, Mr. Conspiracy Theory. He goes, reporters follow. Try telling them the press can't go, and the very same people that say, "HE HAD TEH PRESS THAR, PUBLIKITY STUENTTT!!!!!~" would be going, "WUT IS HE HIDEING, FREEDOME OF TEH PRESSZ0R!?!~"

How about them apples?

rofl over react much? i'm sorry you feel insecure about where you came from and have the chip on your shoulder that you do. it wasn't a judgement or generalization of people who live in trailers. i made the comment because i know what Os does for a living and doubt that he owns the house he lives in and therefore should not be the one making snide comments about other peoples living conditions.

i never called you stupid faust. i never called people who live in trailers stupid. you seemed to be able to express yourself fairly well when you wanted to. maybe you need to do some of that to a person better trained to handle whatever type of insecurity you seem to have and help you get past it. i don't care to invest that kind of time into something so trivial and meaningless to me. good luck to you though.

the race baiting is so cute i had to chuckle to myself. you should consider work in the theater. i'm not rich. i'm not a racist. i have a low tolerance for stupidity and i enjoy pointing it out to some people that are as outspoken and blatant about it as fandros and marz and L2. Os doesn't strike me as that type of person but having been provoked, i retaliated in a similair fashion. Now you're the message board nanny faust? i struck a nerve with my own personal opinions of the military to such a degree that you seem to lose all grasp on reality? wow you're an easy mark. that's not much fun =/.

Good for you and your family and its tradition of military service. i never said i hold all military personnel in contempt. only those with the attitudes of fandros. you know how the nazis got the german people to go along with the atrocities committed by hitler? they attacked their pride as germans and their patriotism. if they didn't support their troops and what they were doing then they were attacked and berated and ostracized. kinda sounds alot like what fandros blathers on about when the topic of this war comes up and people disagree with his stupid ass.

What you think why your soldiers are being slaughtered in iraq?

So you can keep your Freedom and be able to even exist on this planet. We have been over this a million times but you seemed to of missed the boat once again.

Thanks Feuer--Glad someone sees the rationale.

Great googley-moogley! The level of discourse here is astounding! Well, maybe, and here's a radical thought, I'll just talk about EQ on this message board. Everything else seems to be, well, pointless. Camps are polarized, and it becomes a 'who has the biggest dick'-fest.

Not that I really care--baah--apathy setting in :)

"So you can keep your Freedom..."

uh, oh, what?
what's your freedom is doing in iraq?
Iraq is iraqian's, not anyone' else. Go out from there and give their freedom. Again, Us (&UK) keeps failing to prove, Iraq/Saddam had any weaponry/terrorist grps which treated the world or US...just because such a thing did not and does not exists.

Bush tried to take some position in the middle-east under the image of anti-terrorist-war, but he failed to sell it to the world.

This is nothing to do with the 'freedom' or any morale value's of your country. This is simple about economy.

The last time you protected someone' freedom was in the second WW, and in Desert Storm, which i fully support.

I even do support to clear Saddam from Iraq. Just leave the bullshit 'your freedom' out of it. Really, i don't care much about American soldiers, but i would not be one or in their families. It's 'nothing wrong' if a soldier dies defending his homeland. But....what a mother or wife says when her beloved dies 17.000km (just number, donno the exact distance) far away, for a lie of your government?

And yeah. Just go out from iraq. they can now make a vote. if they can't leave in peace, then, what? let them shot each other dead.

You can't bring democracy with weapons.

My fucking head is ounding! >:

of course ounding is a new word for 'lacking in sleep'

And yeah. Just go out from iraq. they can now make a vote. if they can't leave in peace, then, what? let them shot each other dead.

Hello dumbass.

It is not possible for any country, subjected to 30 years of despotism and intranational terrorism, to transition to democracy where no tradition of democracy exists.

Is our government committing some mistakes along the way to restoring self-rule to Iraq. Yes. The United Nations, as highly as some around here regard it, would undoubtedly screw some things up too. Nation building isn't a precise science.

But in the end every single one of us is a political armchair quarterback, full of ideas and opinions but lacking a full understanding of the difficulties soldiers, politicians and humanitarian groups are facing on a daily basis.

Let them shoot each other dead? Callous asshole. I thought all you Eurotwats were peaceniks?

lamascsi shut the fuck up.

If you want to debate the same old shit we did for months at a time, go find the 646261351 threads on it.

This thread was unrelated to US policy, or any reasoning behind Iraq.

I would like to thank those that desided to stay in topic on this thread. To those of you that did not and desided to start attacking each other... next time go to another thread and banter back and forth. Yes i get a kick out of reading your waste of time posts but still, they were alittle uncalled for.

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And yeah. Just go out from iraq. they can now make a vote. if they can't leave in peace, then, what? let them shot each other dead.

I don't know how closely you've paid attention to all of this but the Iraqis don't want us to leave now. Not the ones that want to live free. They're actually worried that we will leave and not finish the job we started. Right now we are trying to get the economy stable, power working, and oillines running.. the ones the insurgents keep blowing up so their people can't get money from the oil.

This has nothing to do with the thread I started but you brought this up and I think someone needs to address it.

If you actually read the news you would see that we plan to give everything over to the Iraqi people next year [not sure if it's in the beginning or middle though]. So next time you tell us to take our troups out of somewhere maybe you should read about what the people of the country want!

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Ahh, now I see why Marz, et al. jumped on me when I first posted here, in that other thread which I won't dredge up (in other words--too alzy to go looking for it).

/em's appreciation of Marz has increased by 1

Apologies--realize error of my ways.

Stick to the topic--Thanksgiving!

Eh, Thanksgiving is over, and I think this story will be as old as the leftovers in the fridge soon...

of course ounding is a new word for 'lacking in sleep'

Die Gnome! How am I suppose to PL when you are on Stromm!
Jackass!:eek

hahahaha:evil

edit : what was your frogs name again?

Skeeb. Im on EQiM atm send me a tell. Or PM me your chars name.

*If you actually read the news *

You do know that medias makes you believe basically what they want.. right?

The mass media would have you believe that Iraqi's in general hate us and want us out of their country.

Actually go there, and talk to the folks and you get a totally different story.

I've many a friend over there now. The folks chant USA and Bush continually when they roll into the villages.

Don't believe the hype the liberal media would have you believe. Contrary to popular belief the media is Extremely biased and has a political agenda matching the desires of the Democratic party.

It's a damn shame really, I think during a declared war that should amount to treason. Undermining our legitimate war efforts is tatamount to evil.

As for Bush hauling along his own media hounds. The White House has an agreement to provide important data to the News Services when it no longer proves to be a security risk. Hence his allowing said News folks to tag along with him.

As a former USAF Airman I can tell you that what Bush did was incredible. It was a rush for those serving over in the gulf.

/Salutes the Commander in Chief.

Now Mr. Bush, let's get to work on our domestic issues. You're doing a stellar job on the economy ( damn thing moves like a snail in Maine during December doesn't it?) but we need to look at totally revamping our income tax system.

Fairtax.org!!!!

Fandros...

aka Ssgt Christopher ......

Don't believe the hype the liberal media would have you believe. Contrary to popular belief the media is Extremely biased and has a political agenda matching the desires of the Democratic party.


You US media is... poor. I'd not call them liberal, I'd not call them conservative- I'd say they report whatever side will get them the most money. End of story.

If you want to read about things from a different view, use english.aljazeera.net/HomePage (http://english.aljazeera.net/HomePage)

Sorry, won't rise to your crass opinion that the US media is any different from the rest of the world.

That link is just as biased and in question as any media site.

Have you lived here??

Fandros

If the US media is "no different from the rest of the world" , assuming you are implying obviously liberal views, then how do you account for Fox news which is conservative media (in relative terms). Or conservative talk radio shows, not the entertainers like Rush Limbaugh, the real right wingers with a political agenda. Or conservative newspapers around the country?

"That link is just as biased and in question as any media site"

Indeed...conservative media is just as suspect as liberal media.

Sorry, won't rise to your crass opinion that the US media is any different from the rest of the world.

That link is just as biased and in question as any media site.

Have you lived here??

Oh, dear I had a typo in my post. Omit that first "you".

Sorry, you just did rise. Glad to see you realize that most mass media is self serving.

That doesn't change the fact that the "news" you read in the US is going to present a different picture of events than another source from outside the US.

Read several news sources, compare them and then try to draw your own conclusions based on what you read. I like reading Canadian, US, Arab and possibly translating the odd French or German language news article into English as well.

At the very least, sometimes you can get the odd translation that will bring a chuckle to your day.

By here do you mean the US? Why, yes, I have, and I served in the Army to boot.

Air Force One has a built-in press, Mr. Conspiracy Theory. He goes, reporters follow.
Thanks for proving my point.
And still people think (like the initial poster of this thread) that it was some sort of "secret visit" and it just got public "by accident".
This is what I meant about really silly people. Really naive. But it works out for buhs, doesn't it?

See, I don't quesiton that Bush cares abotu the troops. I just question very damn hard that he went overthere just to thank his troops. It was a well organised, long planned visit with the publicy being the number one reason.
If he even was there. Now I don't wanna be a conspiracy friend, but Bush going to Baghdad sounds very unlikely to me. not as long as US soldiers keep dying like mad on a daily base. Sounds very dangerous IMO. But then, maybe he was somewhere away from the center where everything is absolutely compeltely controlled in a 20 miles circle. I dunno.

Jesus christ fanny do you think before you post?

They didn't arm me, they gave me the tools to maintain the Avionics for the aircraft that flew the missions ;P

I now command a great civilian salary due to that training.

great you took advantage of a program to help further your goals. more power to you. but this is classic..

One being paying for what you enjoy. Serving so that you aren't a burden for those that came before you. Seeing the world beyond your backyard

the military, and the education you received, in exchange for cowering under an airplane while the real men fought, was and is funded by private funds isn't it? sorry girl but the only one being the burden in my eyes is your freeloading ass. go get a college education and pay off your student loans like everyone else has to.

then we have this gem..

Now Mr. Bush, let's get to work on our domestic issues. You're doing a stellar job on the economy ( damn thing moves like a snail in Maine during December doesn't it?) but we need to look at totally revamping our income tax system.

after the very programs you took advantage of have provided you with the life you have today you have the audacity to preech about the very source of the funds that provided it for you? jesus christ you're a joke. be consistent you idiot. yeah the tax system is a joke but a crack whore insisting that welfare be reformed so all those lazy deadbeats will get a job is hilarious. yes fanny you are the crack whore in my scenario. there's no rationale or consistent logic in any of your ramblings fanny but it sure is fun to watch you make a fool of yourself.

KMA?

Go fuck yourself you coward. And please try to be an adult and tell us a lil about yourself before you judge your betters.

Fandros

Ahhhh Taino? Bush was indeed in Bagdad....

Fanny if i thought any amount of personal information about me would save you any embarrassment whatsoever i would definitely think about it. you are a hopeless fucking idiot and what you know about me is more than enough for you to continue to be one of the dumbest people to have posted on this board.

stop with the A/S/ L posts Fanny. you aren't my type. cope.

KMA seems to have some type of issue with everybodys financial situations and what they do for a living.

All that pent up agression.

Whats the matter?

The job down at the dump not paying for your "BFI waste industry" bin that you call a "house"?

You don't need approval from everyone here?

Please shut the fuck up. EVERY single post you make is a cry for approval.

Nothing but a neglected, internet hard ass.

/chuckle

Okay boy, get your fix for attention today yet? Poor child so out of your league that you must constantly attack your betters in hopes of raising your stock...

Oh, as for your dig at my desire to see the Income Tax system be retooled.

Read up on the National Sales Tax bill before you throw out your worthless opions eh? I don't propose we get rid of taxes , that's how our government functions. I instead suggest that the current system is so rife with loopholes that we're paying more than we should be...

Hmmm I think I'll move this to another thread. See if you can be an adult and converse at a normal level please KMA?

Fandros

You didn't seem to have many problems when others were paying too much when it benefitted you. You see the fact that some people are paying too much or too little as the problem. I on the other hand see the people that are making the decisions where that money is spent as the problem. It's a philosophical difference Fanny. Taxes are an accepted form of slavery.

Ok Ok i'll cave in to my need for marz's acceptance and approval...

I post stuff most of the people that post on these boards dislike, and enjoy making them so upset they call my mom names and insult the size of my E penis..and that fulfills my need of exactly what? I like seeing stupid people, do and say stupid things and its even more fun to point it out to them and see them get even more upset. i guess i owe you a thank you marz. last i counted, the only people i tend to agree with to any extent on this particular thread are halo and taino and iamasci, great company i know. with their acceptance and approval i should go hang myself but for once they see things more clearly than you or L2 or Fanny. get a grip Marz, this isn't your playground and what you think other people should and shouldn't say is so irrelevant it doesn't even deserve a response. can't believe i responded :( . i'm so weak.

Ah well the original intent of the Income Tax system has been totally mutated as to not be easily understood or used.

And again, child, if you knew me at all you'd have known to shut the fuck up before judging me yet again.

I've worked for and around the different political parties my entire life. I was part of the Indiana Young Republicans long before you were sentient enough to know the difference between a hanging chand and your dangling berries.

While once I was a hard core Republican I now lean more towards a mix between both parties.

So again, I've been involved while you sit back in your worn out armchair and second guess your betters.

Now boy, put up or shut up. I weary of your baseless accusations...

Fandros

The job down at the dump not paying for your "BFI waste industry" bin that you call a "house"?

HAHAHAHAHA..... Nice one.

so are you a fascist or a socialist fanny? i'm almost as confused as you seem to be.

I'm neither bud. I'm a moderate in most aspects of my life. I find myself wishing that there were more viable options to our political system than 2 parties. ;(

Much like my stance on organized religion I don't think any one gathering of folks has it right...

Oh, and why the desire to continue calling me Fanny? /chuckle I've had the nickname Fandros since 1978 and Fanny since Biggins nailed me with it since 1999. I assure you it doesn't bother me in the slightest.

Christopher...

haha biggins ... that reminds me of..

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I don't call you Fanny to annoy you or illict any reaction out of you. You strike me as a fanny moreso than a fandros. much like i would call a retarded William, billy. like calling elton john, Sir. it just doesn't feel right to me.

i could start callin ya chrissy but i'm too used to callin ya fanny to change now. i could make the effort though if it was that important to you.

Whatever you prefer bud. If that's what you need to do to attempt and feel as if you belong in an intelligent discussion then by all means do so.

Christopher...

I like seeing stupid people, do and say stupid things and its even more fun to point it out to them and see them get even more upset.

Look in the mirror.

do i smell a "i know you are but what am i?" post?

you win marzy, i can't compete!

Nope but keep posting your usual bullshit.

Whatever keeps you from blowing your brains out little man.

damn it! i had 5 bucks on another peepee joke :(

you disappoint, Marz. i'm sure you're used to it by now but its gonna take some getting used to for me.

so KMA, you have free thinking friends eh?

What an utter disapointment you must be to them. Drinking their beer, eating their chips and parroting their thoughts. You're likely the one in the group they make fun of, wondering what cliche they can get you to utter next.

Sorry boyo, you just don't rank as a free thinker or hell even a thinker period...

Christopher...

coming from a dipshit that tows the party line as well as you do fanny, i'm wracked with worry over what my friends think and say about me when i'm not around. it keeps me up at night.

the day you think for yourself, let alone freely, will be a day i mark on my calendar and celebrate it religiously. go back to your taxes thread and pontificate like the monkey you are and leave the petty insults to me and marzy. your tax thread is as boring and generally misinformed as you yourself.

more personal info inc fanny. plz don't fall in love. i'm not a big drinker so their beer is safe. rest easy my son.

What a wonderful world KMA must live in.

Oh the joy he must feel to be so stupid he doesnt have any concept of his own stupidity. Ignorance must really be bliss.

You have zero education, you are unable to even debate a topic with the modicum of intelligence that Halo seems to muster on a rare occasion. You just float happily along in your cesspool of idiocy, once in while patting yourself on the back for living in the Same Ghetto Hole for 17 years. You Go Girl!

Its a shame karma didnt incarnate you as puppy, then at least someone would have had the mercy to place you in a burlap sack and throw you into the river.
Isnt life Cruel?

Sorry L2 but your ticket to an education thru football buys you less credibility than fanny's education.

KMA, you continue to rail on others lifestyles, educations and careers.

What path to higher learning and a stable/growing income did you follow?

And good lord man, ridicule me if you feel like. But to question L2's intelligence? LoL have you never read his posts?

Christopher...

Just for you my Ghetto Fabulous friend KMA
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I've never engaged L2 in any discussions in pottery or basket weaving but i'll take your word for it that hes an exceptionally intelligent man that just happened to play college football in exchange for a scholarship and leave my assumptions and conclusions as to why he didn't receive an academic scholarship completely out of the discussion. i'll even take you at your word that you are an exceptional human being and humitarian Fanny. does that make you feel better? do you care what i think about you and L2? looks that way to me. sad really.

sorry L2 i don't click on links on an internet message board especially ones posted by people like you. i guess i have to miss experiencing yet another one of your inane peepee jokes. i can live with that.

I haven't attacked anyones scholastic path that hasn't questioned mine in one form or another first. It's a legitimate question. If he or you or marz don't feel like answering, for whatever reason, then that's your choice. it seems it's a sore spot for all of you tho.

Someone sent me a picture of the house you bought yourself and have lived in for 17 years..
IS THIS TRUE??
http://www.lpf.com/adventure/toilets/two-story-outhouse.jpg

no l2 i don't work for you or your father. better get a refund on that scholarship quick. they forgot to teach you whats funny.

*cue the bush mafia's 'rofl!' posts*

KMA I'm not sure if your realize this but to stay on a High School Football team you have to make As and Bs or you will be kicked off or benched. As for College Football I know you have to make exceptional grades to stay on their team. So lay off people because you don't think their education and or job is good enough!!

In most California schools (high school and college) to play sports you only need a 2.0 or C average... and a lot of those grades are given to you.

have you ever seen the class load that college athletes are let off with?

You sure seem quick to insult the lifestyles of others, when you yourself are so reluctant to give details about you.

Here's my guess.

Fat, bald, 34 years old, living in his mother's basement, downloading porn 24 hours a day. Oh, and you probably haven't showered in the last 48 hours.

"Mraa..but, you played football! I r teh coolest!"

Mmkay.

not too sure who that was directed at but i never played football. thats L2.

i don't attack peoples lifestyles that don't question mine first. those in glass houses...its a way i choose to illustrate that point.

the fact that you THINK someone is fat bald and living in someones basement refutes any facts or opinions exactly how?

the fact that you THINK someone is fat bald and living in someones basement refutes any facts or opinions exactly how?

What does his playing football have to do with his education?

the mere fact that someone attended a college means they are an educated individual? i tend to base my opinion of someones intelligence on their grasp of logic and common sense and L2 lacks quite a bit of both. i attribute it to the fact that athletes are held to a much lower level of scholastic aptitude as most universities are more interested in the money the sports programs provide than the education said athletes receive.

i may be wrong but judging from the content and amount of thought put into L2's posts and his childish comebacks, i am working under the assumption that he is in fact a fucking idiot. until he has anything more insightful to contribute to the discussion i'm attributing his attitude and demeanor to the fact that hes a dickless jock and dismissing what he has to say until he proves me wrong.

i was working under a similair assumption with fandros but in light of the current course of the discussion i'm begining to think i may have been a little more off target when it comes to him than i am about L2.

i may be wrong but judging from the content and amount of thought put into L2's posts and his childish comebacks,

I think you need to look at that sentence again because he wasn't the only one coming back with "childish comebacks". You yourself were throwing some of those out there talking about one of the guys' jobs as he is or was an aircraft mechanic in the military. I'm sorry but without the mechanics how do you think the aircrafts get in the air? Faith? I don't think so. So why don't you just stop bashing on peoples way of life in all aspects of the way and try to get back on what this thread was started for and that was Bush's Trip to Baghdad.

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One could easily mistake you for someone having never attended school at all. Putting capital letters in front of sentences might help. You know, like they taught you in first grade.

i'm attributing his attitude and demeanor to the fact that hes a dickless jock and dismissing what he has to say until he proves me wrong.

Maybe I misunderstand...but did you just say you want to see his dick?

If you attribute his "lack of logic and common sense" to his having played football, then I attribute your lack of capitalization to laziness, stemming from the conditions I described two posts ago. By the way, LL seems to be putting in so many one liners and insults because, by your own classifications, you are an idiot.

If you are the type of person to explain to me with care and love why in fact you are not a crack whore then you are a better person than i. you attack me personally and i will make my points at your expense. if i never called you a crack whore would you treat me differently?

PS: i'm being absurd to illustrate my point. i have no knowledge of your experience or involvement in prostituion or illict drug use.

If you called me a Crack Whore or anything else as demeaning as that I would mostlikely jump on the "bandwagon" with the other guys and try to knock you down. However, i think if you are truely an intelligent person you can have a converstation with someone without calling them names and being as immature as you and your "victoms"/"entertainment" are being.

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Youre a fucking moron.
Arguing or debating with you is beneth me.. All you get from me is insults and flames.. thats really all you warrant. You arent allowed to discuss adult matters at the big boy table shithead. Youre too dumb

So keep posting.. Im having fun. Youre just such a large and plump target that the only real challenge is deciding what to mock you on next.
"Blah blah blah.. Ive been on my own since 17...blah blah blah"
Why? Did your family commit mass suicide out of shame? Did the great sucking vacuum of your ignorance suck them down into a singularity? Or are you from poverty? Is that home you bought the doublewide right next to Mom/Dad/Aunty/Uncle.

Your opinions are pretty darn shallow and without much depth to them.
I could debate you.. but why? There isnt a fucking thing I could ever learn from you, and you really arent intelligent enough to ever learn anything..
So.. Ill just abuse you relentlessly.
Ok my little Pinata?

sure i'm being immature. yer right. it's more fun to make people i dislike, angry. it's a message board. i doubt i'd post at all if everyone agreed and nobody got personal. that'd be boring.

i don't agree with you that what bush did was anything to be commended for. you disagree with me. you wanna tell me why you disagree? i'll tell you why i disagree with you. you wanna call me names and try to make me look unintelligent? i'll participate as long as its entertaining. if you approach every topic the way you state you think others should then 99 percent of these threads would be about 6 or 7 posts long and pretty boring.

your timing is impecable lil guy :)

sorry but nothing you say phases me. know why? because you and your opinions are irrelevant to me. for some reason mine seem to have affected you quite deeply and emotionally. why is that? its fun to pick on easy targets for you? that doesn't sound like much fun. i enjoy interacting with people and arguing about things with people that have some substance. if i have none to you then whats fun about it?

yer angry because i question you. maybe it has something to do with the sports ego and your insecurities or maybe it's just because it makes you think and realize you're wrong and you have trouble dealing with it.

i don't much care either way but its entirely too easy to dismiss you.

Your opinions are pretty darn shallow and without much depth to them.


with your proclivity for redundancy, a debate with you about the pros and cons of naval lint may take several pages.

sorry but nothing you say phases me. know why?
Because you have trouble reading the big words?
Because life has been far crueler to you than I could have ever been?
Because you dont care if it rains or freezes as long as you have your dashboard Jesus?
because you and your opinions are irrelevant to me.
Oh Noz!
for some reason mine seem to have affected you quite deeply and emotionally.
Yes.. your complete lack of a fleshed out opinion has REALLY effected me. I stay up late at night wondering if maybe in some backwards zen way the key to enlightenment is utter retardation.
why is that? its fun to pick on easy targets for you? that doesn't sound like much fun.
Yes, as a matter fact it is.. And they dont come much easier than you.

i enjoy interacting with people and arguing about things with people that have some substance.
No.. you are a troll. You crave attention. Im just granting your wish. You only want to derail and fuck up discussions. Maybe your mommy and daddy didnt love little KMA enough when we was a little baby, so he seeks attention from strangers.. There, there little boy.. no need for tears.

if i have none to you then whats fun about it?
Its like pissing down a deep hole.. wanna see how long it takes for the piss to hit something of substance.
Listening...
Listening...
Listening...


yer angry because i question you.
not at all.. Ive been on the losing side of debates before. Ive had my views challenged. Ive learned from the debate and respected if not agreed with the other view. That wont happen with you. God never gave you enough "smarts". Its not your fault really, but maybe you can amuse me for a while. Think of it as a purpose in your otherwise empty and meaningless life.
maybe it has something to do with the sports ego
Beat me in a game of one on one then maybe you can talk about "sports ego".
and your insecurities or maybe it's just because it makes you think and realize you're wrong and you have trouble dealing with it.
Wrong about what? We arent debating.. Im just embarassing you.

i don't much care either way but its entirely too easy to dismiss you.
Then stop posting to me and mentioning my name.. Oh wait.. you cant.. Dont worry little boy.. Daddy is here.

I am teh quarterback of teh Footballteem and U Must be reely eentelligent to get tehre!1!!1!!
I haev all C+ grades at least! Dunno how, but I haev em!

Isn't it common sense all over the world that, in the states, you either are remotely intelligent to go to the college, or you play football? Its a disturbing idea to know there's people with college degrees that can't even write their names properly.

'So you can keep your Freedom and be able to even exist on this planet'

- Freedom from scary weapons that don't exist is the best kind!

Whew. I thought for a bit there we'd have an item without Taino insulting the U.S.

Sadly Taino isn't aware that there are a great deal of NFL ex football players with very nice college degree's.

Steve Young being at the tip of my thoughts atm. He has a law degree...

Howie Long is another very intelligent football player....

Try not to generalize Taino, it's really beneath you and as a general rule shows a lack of intellect...;P

Fandros

Isn't it common sense all over the world that, in the states, you either are remotely intelligent to go to the college, or you play football? Its a disturbing idea to know there's people with college degrees that can't even write their names properly.

Wow Taino stereotype much bud?

That's like me saying: Its common sense all over the world , that the swiss are a bunch of hot chocolate drinking , overweight, yodeling, ricola making, did I say overweight?, tree hugging, clog wearing, hanzel and gretel house making, meatball eating, slobs.

It's ludacris!

Football players are as smart as anyone else. Its a bad stereotype to say that every guy whos good at sports are stupid. just like ugly girls that says good looking ones are idiot, just to valorize (spelling) themselves.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

I've many a friend over there now. The folks chant USA and Bush continually when they roll into the villages

That`s probably because they have lived with a dictatorial regime and belive it`s better to appear to support the current power than to not....and get killed,maimed or tortured...

KMA I'm not sure if your realize this but to stay on a High School Football team you have to make As and Bs or you will be kicked off or benched. As for College Football I know you have to make exceptional grades to stay on their team. So lay off people because you don't think their education and or job is good enough!!

ROFLMAO,...I`m sorry but that is utter BS...funny though

I had a good friend on the football team in high school. He played on the defensive line since middle school. He was a starter all through high school. He graduated above me in our class, had a higher SAT score, and went on to graduate with a masters in mechanical engineering at MIT.

Clinging to stereotypes doesn't impress anyone... It just makes you look like a close minded moron to those who base their opinions on more than blind assumptions.

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Our Quater back/Team leader was class president and later became the Judge in our city...not bad for a stupid football playing 32 year old.

As for College Football I know you have to make exceptional grades to stay on their team. So lay off people because you don't think their education and or job is good enough!!

I'd place a wager that sometime, somewhere, somebody boosted and/or padded athlete's grades to keep the eligible to play sports.

In the long run, it doesn't matter much to me. The odds of me ever having to compete for a job with anybody for whom this was done is very slim, at best.

only one thing is being protected by the US Government. Oil, and the GIGANTIC pile of cash it is worth. Plain and simple, people. Those in the military are not the sheep, they are the sheepdog KMA. YOU represent the sheep KMA, and your anti-government mentality is understandable, but sadly meaningless. Yes, it was a propaganda stunt. It's intent is to boost the moral of the "sheepdog" AND to pull the proverbial wool over the sheep's eyes (the citizen).
If you do not agree with reality, move out of the U.S. and be happy with some country that is dependent of the U.S. ecomomy.

^look i summed it up in less than 500 words.

/blink

I'm afraid I don't understand your rational.

Pull the wool over the folks eyes??

Don't see how that relates to the tax discussion we're having here Dex. /chuckle

Christopher...

Vet Sheepdog>??

Errr wait I was in the wrong thread...

My bad...

Christopher...

only one thing is being protected by the US Government. Oil, and the GIGANTIC pile of cash it is worth. Plain and simple, people.

I've heard this time and again, and I'm not so sure it's that plain and simple to me. Why didn't we keep the almighty Texas Tea from the middle east when we were there in the early 90's? If that's all we're about, why did we stop, and leave then? Why was the current war not embarked upon earlier than it was? Why isn't ANWR tapped like a keg right now? How have the oil reserves in South America escaped our bellicose attention?

Don't get me wrong, I know oil is important to us (a dependence we need to break through technology), but I don't see the evidence that it is the primary driving factor in our current actions.

I thought my posts have been pretty clear but unfortunately you misunderstood me, it seems. I don't know your service background but i'm assuming based on your knee jerk reaction, and the resulting misrepresentation of my viewpoints, that you have had some or have family / friends that do. It isn't my position that people who serve, or have served, in the armed forces are sheep. I have already posted that my best friend in real life served in the army and i have more respect for him and quite a few other military people than alot of civilians, and i would never generalize to the extent you think i have. it IS my contention that people who approve of Bush's publicity stunt are sheep if they don't see what that event was truly about.

I fail to see how my positions as I have stated them, not how you have mistakenly restated them, leads you to label me as someone who follows popular opinion. if you haven't noticed, most of the posts in this thread attack me for having an opinion different from most. If you think my positions on the government, and how it runs this country and why i feel it needs to be dismantled, are what makes me a sheep then i don't have much to discuss with you as you have offered only opinions about me personally and, to be honest, based on those innaccurate and absurd perceptions it would be a very boring discussions, even tho you may be fascinated with the subject matter being discussed.

^look i summed it up in less than 500 words.

too bad only 20 of them were anything close to accurate.

DOH! skimmed right over L2's post. sorry honey! /cuddle /snuggle.

sorry, didn't read your post very closely but i know you were in some sad twisted little way expressing your love for me once again. thank you my lil monkey :)

If you flame us for having opinions the same as most, why shouldn't we flame you back for having opinions that differ?