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gg for more hypocrisy

Cheney finally telling Leahy to "f--- off" or "go f--- yourself," the aides said.

ROFL
Professionalism at its best.

gg for more hypocrisy

Kind of like the superlibs (tm) pissing and moaning when Stern got banned, then turning around and trying to ban violent video games?

I also like the banner ad on that page.

"A Day in the life of John Kerry"

0500 Wake up
0530 - 2359 Drive your PBR up and down the river, shooting "the Cong" (which are actually civillians)

How many civilians are being shot in Iraq?

And what was Bush doing at that time? Snorting coke and doing shots?

Back and forth, back and forth.

Back and forth, back and forth.

Thats the point. :evil

The article states that it was said on the Senate floor. Sounds like something that was overheard . So there's not much connection to Stern or the FCC.

there's plenty of connection when

1. The offender is the #2 guy in the federal administration.

2. The offender publicly represents himself as someone wanting to uphold "decency and moral values".

3. He can issue orders to the FCC.

4. He dropped the "F-bomb" on the Senate floor which, unless things have changed, the media has access to and can broadcast from to nationwide viewers.

Not being picked up by the media(as mukaz pointed out, they have access to the floor and they are there all the time the senate is) tells me it was a pretty quiet exchange. The aides not being able to decide whether he said fuck off or go fuck yourself(rather big difference in how those two phrases sound) tells me that they didn't hear it firsthand themselves(again, leads me to believe it was a very quiet exchange).

The FCC is also directly responsible to Congress(not the executive branch).

Oh, and maybe you can tell me how profanity negates having moral values?

Oh, and maybe you can tell me how profanity negates having moral values?

I didn't say it did.

However, if profanity and its use weren't a public decency issue we wouldn't have broadcast regulations governing when it is and isn't permissable.

I've always been a firm believer in "Do as I do, not as I say."

If Mr. Cheney wants to be a champion of decency that's fine with me but he should act, and expect to be held, to his own standard or risk being labeled a hypocrite.

The FCC is also directly responsible to Congress(not the executive branch).

And naturally when the party of the Executive Branch is the same as the majority in the Congress there's no influence there at all.

I'm willing to brush it off as election year politics myself though as this would most likely not have come up at all in a non-election year.

There is a prohibition against using profanity on the senate floor. Good thing that senate wasn't "in session" or there might be recourse.

Oh, and maybe you can tell me how profanity negates having moral values?

Morals are relative; I think we've had this discussion in another thread. Obviously, Cheney thinks the word used is acceptable.

As a side question: Why does that word have such a stigma on it? There are plenty of other slang words that have the same meaning (Screw, bang, etc), so that can't be it.

Maybe there is some history dating back to the Norman domination of the anglo-saxons? Victorian prudery? Anyone have any idea?

Time changes the degree of acceptance, word by word. 50 years ago you couldn't say the word "pregnant" on TV, and married couples slept in separate beds.

Note also the dissimilarity between "screw," "bang," and "fuck." Screw and bang have other perfectly acceptable meanings (which lent themselves to metaphorically refer to sex acts). Fuck is...well, fuck. Or at least it's been fuck long enough that any prior meaning no longer matters.

The deeper argument is why any of these terms (used as sexual innuendo) should be banned at all. Hypothesis: Literacy (and the writing of literature) has primarily been the privilege of the middle and upper class, people who could afford to learn "proper English" and take the time to write in it. Since the mores of polite society decried the use of vulgar terms or reference to "vulgar" acts, and since the bulk of literature (be it novels, periodicals, or what have you) originated from those of higher social standing, it follows that language they deemed foul has a cultural stigma attached to it.

That stigma, obviously, is fading fast. Only a matter of time (and "fucks" from politicians) before we hear the dreaded F-word on the air.

Theres a difference between saying "fuck" in a private senate meeting and over live radio where thousands are tuned in. Who gives a shit about profanity anyways? There only reason I hate Stern is because he looks like a fagget.

people who could afford to learn "proper English" and take the time to write in it

That was the basis of my Norman - Anglo/Saxon argument.

During the time, speaking in anything but French in "polite" society was frowned upon. Since I've heard some arguments about the origin of the word being Anglo/Saxon in nature (though there is a lot of debate on that), perhaps the word got its stigma because only crude, unsophisticated peasants still said it.

if profanity and its use weren't a public decency issue


That's the whole point, it was a private conversation - so private in fact that the aides only heard about it from the Senator. If you can come up with an explanation for how they were there but heard 2 things that sound completely different I'd like to see it.

'Maybe there is some history dating back to the Norman domination of the anglo-saxons? Victorian prudery? Anyone have any idea?'

- Pre-dates that, actually. Well, certainly Victorian times. "Fuck" itself is germanic, just changed in to the Anglo-saxon variation from "fukka", I think, which is Scandinavian for something like "to thrust". I think it's been used in a vulgar form for, well, a long, long time. When I was doing English Lit, the only class I ever remember being awake in was when we were doing false-acronym, and "fuck" was one of them, when people, for a long, long time, believed "fuck" was just short for "Fornication Under Consent of the King", believing in Ye Old Days, people had to seek permission from the monarch to fuck eachother's brains out.
Although charming to think so, it's just not true.

So yeah, fuck came about as a mutilation of Germanic language, and has been used as a vulgar - and mostly in the insulting state - phrase for a long time. Wasn't there an old Oxford dictionarian that coined the term "John le Fucker"?

There only reason I hate Stern is because he looks like a fagget.

First off its faggot .. second of all he doesnt look a fucking thing like me.

So you're comparing something reportedly overheard in a private conversation by congressional aides with Howard Stern? And you're making the connection with Cheney... as if he was the guy going after Stern....

This has got to be the thinnest piece of shit whine, you must be getting desperate. They don't even know what he said man... lol.. its like some aides ran to the media... like a kid running to the principal in grade school to tattle. But they didn't get their story straight beforehand so they can't say whether he said go fuck yourself or fuck off. But he definitely said a bad word Mr. Media guy but not us we're good boys.