(Edit: No, this is not a personal "goodbye" message. ;) )

Ayonae Ro is going away (http://eqforums.station.sony.com/eq/board/message?board.id=Crier&message.id=100&jump=true&no_redir=true), to be merged with The Tribunal and to take on The Tribunal name.

(Interestingly enough, a lot of the old/original servers are losing their names in this merger business.)

:(
I guess it was only a matter of time though.
What does this mean for this message board though?

heh i knew it i even posted it a while back. WoW is calling your names!!





Xregg Shadowknight

Kromdar Warrior
www.bothguild.com (http://www.bothguild.com)

heh i knew it i even posted it a while back. WoW is calling your names!!





Xregg Shadowknight

Kromdar Warrior
www.bothguild.com (http://www.bothguild.com)

WoW is not the promised land that one might think. Blizzard is doing a pretty bang-up job in destroying what could have been a good game.

It will be interesting to see how things shape up on the new merged server, though.

Should be fun for people looking for competitive guilds to select from again. Looks like several are deep in GOD and one or two in Anquish on The Tribunal.

Eq for its time was great no doubt. Its a dying horse and the games engine is just bad.


WoW has some problems sure but the game is just awesome and when those problems get ironed out the fun will really start. I love it. If you havnt tried it and are sick of eq give it a shot . CHances are you will be hooked like the million other people who play it .



Xregg Shadowknight

Kromdar Warrior
www.bothguild.com (http://www.bothguild.com)

Exciting :) :)

Went and looked at the merge list

4/25 Veeshan merges with Luclin and will be listed as Luclin

Cestus Dei and Township Rebellion on the same server? Nice. Too bad there's no competition anymore :(

Now's your chance to move back to ayro Oip!

Our name is so much cooler. Why Tribunal? =(

Frankly, it'd make more sense for Ayonae Ro to be merged with Cazic-Thule or whatever that server Solusek Ro is now on from a historic stand point. Actually, I wouldn't mind Povar or Karana either :) Would be interesting to see how everything pans out. Our NAG forum would become very busy indeed :devil

Probably, shoving people back together who likely burned bridges leaving or left for a reason; would be bad.

Greetings from the Tribunal! :)

I'd venture to say that one of the reasons we are keeping our name is because...if I am not mistaken...we are the oldest original server that was never split. I could be wrong, which I frequently am ;)

Looking forward to seeing some new faces around!

Oh and I dunno if this is the topic it was posted in, but our MB has the 2 post a day limit because we had a bunch of idiots come and spam us with their newbness. Can usually get that limit removed by an admin!

Our boards are pretty dead, and yeah, they are ezboard /gag I only go there occasionally to mess around on our flameboard. I'd suggest people who are easily offended to never post there btw!

Jaeydee Druu
70 Barbie Shaman
The Elitists
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Hey there Jaeydee :) Tribunal was allowed to keep it's name due to the greater population level i believe. More people to meet is going to be cool.

Yeah I'd buy that too! ;)

I never noticed a big drop in population for us...it's been the same ole game for me for 5 years now!

Jaeydee, do you have a list of the guilds on the Tribunal? We'll be happy to add them on to our guild database. We need the guild leader, recruiter, timezone, website, boards, etc.

http://p073.ezboard.com/fthetribunaldotorgfrm1.showMessage?topicID=3155.to pic

If that topic doesn't work for you just tell me, I can copy/paste it all!

Bah EQ must be hurting if they have to do mass merges...If i still really played i'd be worried. (just wish i had more time to play..lol)

the shield is the best show on the planet , that is all.

I'd venture to say that one of the reasons we are keeping our name is because...if I am not mistaken...we are the oldest original server that was never split. I could be wrong, which I frequently am


They merged sol ro with antonious and kept antonious too. What total BS. ;(

We don't have to file a /mergelog request do we?

And when is it due? Wish it had been Karana, would be nice to stomp on any footsteps Stormbitch left behind...

Fandros

Hey - Greetings from The Tribunal!

I don't know about you guys, but I'm really excited about this. I do have a few concerns however. My first is about individual names, many names are common, and all are held very dear, even more so than our server names. I know I was hoping to retain our name as I looked down the long list of server merges, but even more than that, I still want to be the one and only Slyie. Anyone know anything about this?


Slyie
Rogue
70
The Elitists

Looking forward to harrassing more people :D



...in answer to your question Sly, if there is someone who has the exact same name, whoever has the most playtime will be entitled to keep their current name.... I'm assuming from what had been mentioned (and yes I'm to lazy to cut and paste atm :p) whoever has less playtime would have an X at the end of their name.

Guess my suggestion would be is IF there is someone you know of having the same name, and your not sure of both /played times, talk to em' before the merge happens maybe?

I have never seen a person of the name "Slyie" on ayonae ro server. Judging by your level and guildtag, i'd say you have a close to 100% chance of keeping the name.

Good luck :)

I would think since the merge is from Ayonae Ro to Tribunal those on Tribunal will keep the name and anyone from A.R. with the exact same name would have an X. At least thats how it goes when you actually move a from one server to another.

Name choice is based no playtime, as has been stated. If you loose the name contest, you get an X at the end of your name and an opportunity for a complimentary name change.

So does anyone know if we have to do /movelog or is this going to happen automagically regardless?

It's going to happen. Shown by the disclaimer as paraphrased: "we will be deleting all characters below level 10 who have not been online for more than 6 months, so log them on prior to the move or they will be deleted"

I read from this that 1) they wouldn't have mentioned this if they were going to make us movelog the characters that we *wanted*. 2) we will not need to movelog because if we did, it would contradict the above paraphrase in that inactive characters that were above level 10 would also be deleted if not movelogged in time (assuming they would do a big delete of all non movelogged characters) - the only alternative to the second point is if they store all of the characters who are above level 10 or have been logged on recently in a dead server accessable to all while remaining ready to be movelogged (highly highly doubt it, too much effort for them)

The simple way, is to just serverside combine the two servers, link their hard drives or whatever the fuck they do when they combin servers, then systematically delete the forewarned characters.

If you're a strong believer in logic, this argument might get you through! Of course, there is bound to be at least a small chance that SoE will defy logic at some stage during this transfer, so it might be regarding this.

If you loose the name contest

Duel for your name! Fight!

If you're a strong believer in logic, this argument might get you through! Of course, there is bound to be at least a small chance that SoE will defy logic at some stage during this transfer, so it might be regarding this.


This is the most believable thing I have read that you had typed :D
Thanks for the info, I guess if they wanted us to /movelog they would have told us, or not they are the ebil SoE empire afterall!

I would think since the merge is from Ayonae Ro to Tribunal those on Tribunal will keep the name and anyone from A.R. with the exact same name would have an X. At least thats how it goes when you actually move a from one server to another.

I am pretty sure it was said the character with more days played will take the name and the other will get the x vice versa.

Edit: missed a post that said this already. O well! :P

Don't listen to me I quit playing a while back!


Ibudin

the shield is the best show on the planet , that is all.


Yes it is! Avid fan of the shield. Send me a tell sometime we can chat about it.


Qaeen aka Qbald.

Careful Qaeen, Inks is our resident dumb ass. No offense! :)

:devil

Hmm maybe every 1 should just log there toons on and dont turn off EQ till the merge get a few more days added to the /play list /m\

I would think since the merge is from Ayonae Ro to Tribunal those on Tribunal will keep the name and anyone from A.R. with the exact same name would have an X. At least thats how it goes when you actually move a from one server to another.

I would have had some issues with that..... Bise .... Bi-sex ......

Seems like a problem for whoever bought my toon :)

CHances are you will be hooked like the million other people who play it .
Xregg Shadowknight

Like yourself, who is so enthralled with WoW, they still must troll the dead EQ boards?

EQ sucks so bad but yet, your here posting? Why is that? Cuz you had to give up on a game you had no chance at excelling in? EQ sucks yet your holding on to something here that WoW is not offering?

If WoW is so awsome, why are you here soliciting it? Reqruiting EQ peeps for WoW, why is that?

Like yourself, who is so enthralled with WoW, they still must troll the dead EQ boards?

EQ sucks so bad but yet, your here posting? Why is that? Cuz you had to give up on a game you had no chance at excelling in? EQ sucks yet your holding on to something here that WoW is not offering?

If WoW is so awsome, why are you here soliciting it? Reqruiting EQ peeps for WoW, why is that?
You do realize you're posting this in a thread about the 2-10th EQ1 servers being deleted, right? Gosh, you sure know how to make a strong point.

I would imagine that Xregg, like many of us, built up a number of personal connections along the way and would like to maintain those connections in the game he now finds far more enjoyable.

I know as I work from home I often miss the office environment and the pool of creativity to feed off of, and sometimes even get jealous as my roomates go out to happy hour with their co-workers ... but that doesn't mean I'm about to take a job for half pay and double the hours and the requirement I need to wake up at noon just to meet people. Similiarly, Xregg isn't gonna go back to Everquest 1 just to chat it up with these people. I mean, some things aren't just worth doing.

Everquest1 in its day was great. One could equate it to a relationship with a good looking girl. The problem is, 5 years later there's a few new girls in town and you realize that the first one is ... lets say ugly or fat, whatever. Sure she looked good by herself when you never had a chance to see another girl, but by comparison to the rest of the species she's not exactly choice.Some people went off with the new girl, and can't stomach the thought of going back to fatty when they've had supermodel or rock star.

For those of you pissed about the server merger and the name Tribunal, the good news is it may not be Tribunal for long. This time next year Battlegrounds and Everquest2's first expansion will most surely be released, and City of Villians and Guildwars and a plethora of new games will enter beta testing. There will be a lot more mergers as the populations dwindle due to other games and just natural attrition / burnout and the biggest problem is that no one wants to pick up and play "the fat chick" for the first time when there's so many newer games out there -- no new players and loss of older players means lower server attendance.

In short, don't mind Elren, he's just upset he's got caught pants down with the fat chick. Hell, after 6 years with her its almost like they are married.

/shrug.

Maybe they can combine servers just due to hard drives getting larger and faster and other such advances in technology. What were system specs back in 1999 even for a top of the line server?

Well, enjoy the merger. Perhaps by the time the dust settles LFG times will be reduced.

Wow, wtg on the analogy, Kelraz :). Couldn't you have used, say, an inanimate object as an example, like the depreciation on a car? Oh, never mind, how silly of me, they're obviously equivalently objects for consumption, yes? Thanks for giving us all some additional insight into the workings of your *undoubtedly gorgeous* mind...

Regards,
Nydia

On topic, I quit playing EQ not because it got old in a shiny technology sense (although sure, that was part of it), but because it became a fundamentally different game from the one I had started playing four years previously. I just never could hang with the 50-72 person raid game, and the alternative was given short shrift/trivialized by mudflation (LDoN vacuum-packed 'dungeons' weren't meaningful content for the 6 person game, and the 12-18 person game was altogether neglected).

WoW suits my preferred group and raid group size and the intimacy of the small Horde side on most servers results in a cozy community. That the game is both gorgeous and fun doesn't hurt either, of course :). I think that for those who are still enjoying EQ, the server merger, although sad to see, should breathe some life into the combined server community...

Regards,
Nydia

I post here because of what Kelraz said you moron. Is that so hard to figure out?

As far as taking the game far i think i did ok by being in Casus Belli. Whats the matter you bummed out that your precious IvM packed it in so you have no one to carry your dead ass around?

As far as recruiting thats really not what im doing its more like playing with some old friends again . My guild is top on server horde or alliance so recruiting isnt done but id like to have some ay ro people who i know are hardcore playing with me.



Xregg Shadowknight

Kromdar Warrior
www.bothguild.com (http://www.bothguild.com/)

Ok, Xregg look at my name. Ok, i'm sure its still not sinking in, so go to RiP's web site and look at the roster. And if thats too much trouble go to eqrankings and do a search by cleric on Ayro, using the name filter. Come on, you'll get it sooner or later.

And as far as Kelraz, the dude burnt every bridge there was, thats why he quit. Dont let him blow smoke up your ass. Much like yourself Xregg, your app to RiP got archieved in a day.

And I've found over the years, trying to debate with Kelraz is much like this:
"Hey Kelraz did you know 2+2 = 4?",
"Elrin, everyone knows that Oranges are not red. And oh did I tell you, the bar that I bartend at, the President of the U.S. came in and talked with me about what changes I thought he should make in his domestic policy. No realy its true, seriously he did."

If there's a Palimax on Tribunal with more than 300 days played and a 1999 start date, I'll gladly become Palimaxx.

(Rumor has it, my real name was Palima anyway :P )

So much hate Elrin.

I guess some things never change, clerics are always so angry!

Krayton

HA HA HA. Yeah whatever man thats how important you are I cant even remember you.

Yeah I apped to rip what over a year ago and got turned down. So what. I know you think RiP is the second coming of christ but the only reason you are where you are is because EW, IvM, Landslide, Casus belli, and Sot let you be there cause they all gave up on this shit game.

Shit I remember being in CB and laughing at you guys :)


Xregg Shadowknight

Kromdar Warrior
www.bothguild.com (http://www.bothguild.com/)

Lummus may have a point actually about the hardware. I remember reading something along the lines that they were moving to new 'blade' servers, they verywell may be consolidating hardware and space as a cost cutting effort as well as any 'population balancing'

...consolidating hardware and space as a cost cutting effort as well as any 'population balancing' I would almost bet that there will be "population balancing" on the backend side of the game as soon as the merges start to peter out.

Everquest "servers" are actually a cluster of machines; a farm. That's why often you'd see: "The following zones will be going down: Dreadlands, Karnors, Burning Woods, Skyfires" often instead of a server outage. Those five zones (or however many, and exactly which ones) would belong to a single machine in a server cluster. It's also why often you'd go linkdead zoning from SOME zones to others, but not always the same zone, and not always from the same place. Often the transfer of your activity from one zone to another crossed a machine-boundry, othertimes, it didn't.

Enter new hardware. A farm of 1998 Everquest servers can easily be (a) consolidated to fewer servers, or (b) be virtualized (VMWare, etc) to a single piece of hardware that pretends to be multiple physical pieces of hardware. [Something we do everyday where I work. Every time we retire a 'washing machine' that still needs to exist as a logical server, it becomes a VMWare machine on a nice new dual/quad Xenon.]

Of course, that doesn't have anything to do with Server consolidation. For server consolidation, they turn both servers off, they do a: "mv /ayonae/players/* /tribunal/players" and then sort out the name collissions. Then they turn Tribunal back on.

Nydia, I wrote that with you in mind :) After all the advice you gave me on dating the rather large but otherwise perfect lady I dated last year -- it seemed fitting!

While blade servers are all the rage right now, I doubt ( could be wrong! ) that they would make such an investment in EQ1. I highly suspect that EQ2 servers are blade centers.

Fil

To echo what Palimax said...

Merging the servers is not that difficult from a physical standpoint. And whether they are using dual/quad Xeon machines or blade servers, they will have fewer physical machines to maintain, update and otherwise worry with.

As is true of most decisions made at SOE, this one boils down to one thing... money. Fewer servers to maintain mean lower operating cost. Lower server populations mean (to them) that they should consolidate users onto fewer machines.

I think this is a double-edged sword and may come back to bite them in the backside. If people are returning to EverQuest from EQII and WoW and other places... server populations are going to increase again. And then we're looking at server splits... etc.

I think this is strictly a business decision on SOE's part. Whether we like it or not, it's going to happen. Are they going to have to rethink this decision in the future? Possibly. Either way, we ( those who still play ) are at the receiving end of the problems and issues associated with the merge.

I believe that overall the merger will be a good for the community as a whole, but there will be some "adjusting" pains as we try to fit in and learn to call The Tribunal Server "home".

It's gonna happen anyway... so we might as well make the best of it...

My account has been closed for a few months now, from what I am reading here it sounds like its safe for me to leave it as is and sometime in the future if I reactivate it and log in, I will just log into tribunal server?


Oh hell I will probably just activate it in the next week or two untill the server move is complete to make sure I dont loose it.

To any I havent seen in a while /wave from Khondor...

I disagree Gandaar. While a few people might be returning the majority are not. To be honest everyone should have expected this at the very least after Sol Ro went bye bye. It is indeed all about $ and the fact remains EQ1 is down allot of subscribers.

There will be a lot more mergers as the populations dwindle due to other games and just natural attrition / burnout and the biggest problem is that no one wants to pick up and play "the fat chick" for the first time when there's so many newer games out there -- no new players and loss of older players means lower server attendance

Ultima Online is still up. So I am sure, EQ1 will be up in 3-4 years more also. Even without people starting it. Yes there will be more sever merges, but I dont think EQ1 will ever die (even if I stopped myself).

Lani

p.s. I think the people from Tribunal gave us a sufficiently heartly welcome, and I am sure we will treat them with friendship and respect also. It looks like 2 great servers are merging, and that may indeed slow down, or stop the population drop.

UO still going strong? Doubtful. There are only a handful of shards left. Most people play on the emulated servers, which are just as good and cost nothing.

The same will happen with EQ1.

Check out www.wintersroar.com (http://www.wintersroar.com) for a good custom-legit free emulated everquest server, with a growing populace.
Its a completly different game, with different zones, etc.

or check out EQemulator.net and set up your own free server for LAN play or single player.

Now before you SoE ass kissing bastards start flaming me saying its illegal. Its not. Check the EULA. If you purchased the software, there is nothing saying you can't connect to a server other than Sony's.

Winters Roar has been around for 2 years now. Sony hasn't done a thing about it.

Check the EULA. If you purchased the software, there is nothing saying you can't connect to a server other than Sony's.Dear Sir, you didn't purchase any software, you only purchased a few pennies of plastic, a box, maybe a colorful map, and a LICENSE (hence the "L" in EULA) to use said software.

"Legal" is still debatable, but you don't own any of the software.

Now before you SoE ass kissing bastards start flaming me saying its illegal. Its not. Check the EULA. If you purchased the software, there is nothing saying you can't connect to a server other than Sony's.Correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe he said anything about "owning." He mentioned the EULA, so I assume he understands that he is only purchasing a license. However, I will echo what Palimax said. What is "legal" according to the terms of the EULA is debatable. Because EverQuest is a dying game, I doubt that Sony will fight in court to scrutinize the legality of running an emulated server. Libertarians will tell you that licenses are very flexible. Conservatives and software corporations will tell you that software rights are limited (but obviously they will not tell you that when you're buying the [license for a] product). While you do not have the right to make any specific modifications to your product, you are essentially "allowing" Sony to patch updates to your product. The fact that the software is being updated on your computer means that you are indirectly altering the software. Thus many software experts have declared this clause of the EULA to be unenforceable. However, the data on the server is probably illegal unless content has been developed from scratch. You don't need EverQuest files to run an emulated server, but you do need data (and lots of it) to run a functional game. If they used item collectors or quest information collectors to produce their content, they have violated copyright law. I think most people agree on this.

It's not common to hear people say "buy a license," because it's understood to mean that when you "buy," "download," or a "use" a product, you are running it because the retailer has licensed you to run instancs of the product, whether it be the GPL or the EULA. It's easier to market a product by saying that you can "buy a product" because it sounds a lot better than "be licensed for a product," since most people think of the painful procedures involved with applying for driver's licenses or alcohol permits. The thing that corporations always spend money when manufacturing a software product is that piece of paper titled "End-User License Agreement" along with your cheap plastic CD or DVD.

Dear Sir, you didn't purchase any software, you only purchased a few pennies of plastic, a box, maybe a colorful map,


Hey I got a statue of Firona Vie(sp?) to toss to the dogs!

You don't need EverQuest files to run an emulated server, but you do need data (and lots of it) to run a functional game.

All the content on Winters Roar is completly made from scratch, including the quests which are all custom made in PERL.

Not one zone has the same name as its everquest couterpart, nor are their any everquest quests copied.

Data mining is useful, but Sony recently revamped the encryption code, which effectively has caused the EQEMU community to re-write all their netcode from scratch, leaving the emulator in limbo for several months (since decembers patch) which means any new players trying to play, but have patched eq after december, will have to wait until the coders can finish.

Winters Roar has its own patcher, and uses an older version of the eqemu source so it is not affected by this.

Playing everquest single player, hosting your own server on localhost is interesting, but not something that will keep you interested for long. At best, its useful for exploring a zone, before leading a raid on live, so that there are no suprises.

Have you guys got a Tambora? I've become quite attached to the name.

Tambora Timorous
lvl 65 druid
officer of the Diamond Circle

Not that I know of, but I haven't played in quite a while.

Third, we've heard your opinions on which server names should be kept after the mergers. We feel the real answer to this question is that you, the community, should decide the name for your server. Therefore, we will be adding polls to allow every player the chance to vote for the name of their particular server (including servers that have already been merged). We're working out the details of that now so stay tuned for a post shortly.
It's not over yet!

The question is... will the choices be between the old server names, or will each server get a set of completely new names to choose from?

If so, I suggest an unpronouncable symbol. "The Server Formerly Known as the One Created when Ayonae Ro and Tribunal Merged."

I'd have to assume it would be between the two existing names if it's just going to be a simple poll.

Karana-Sol/AyonaeRo-CazicThule-Tribunal server KSARCT

If so, I suggest an unpronouncable symbol. "The Server Formerly Known as the One Created when Ayonae Ro and Tribunal Merged."

Do you work for whoever it is owns the Anaheim (pardon me, the Los Angeles Angels of Anaheim) Angels, Palimax? Yeesh...

We're all missing an opportunity. . .

We need a bidding war for naming rights to the Server. . .

After all, if it's good enough for Major League Baseball. . . .

Hihi Folks,

Stopping by to welcome all those that will be continuing there Everquest journey on the Tribunal looking forward to the merge, see ya all in game :)


Klum Sy
70 Rogue of The Tribunal
The Elitists