"If elected, I will resign"

homepage.mac.com/brianfle...80403.html (http://homepage.mac.com/brianflemming/fight_speech080403.html)

So, what is going on in California?

www.guardian.co.uk/uslate...51,00.html (http://www.guardian.co.uk/uslatest/story/0,1282,-2989351,00.html)

... which seems fishy.

So, they have someone everyone hates in the govorner office.

Someone managed to get 12% of the voters at the last election to sign a petition to have a recall vote.

The recall vote works like:
You have to answer two questions:
1> Do you want to recall Davis?
2> Who would you choose to replace him, from this list of 300 names.

If more than 50% answer "yes" to question one, the person with the highest % of votes to question two becomes govorner. Davis is barred from including his name in the question two list.

This apparently doesn't replace the next-in-line person for the governorship.

The winner of this recall may be recalled if someone gathers 12% of the votes cast in this recall in a petition, or something like that. Democrats have threatened to recall anyone who wins this recall (because all signs say any such person will have well less than 50% of the vote).

Some fear this could result in a state of perma-election.

No high-prestigue democrat is running against Davis. Unless you count Larry (Hustler publisher).

So, anyone from california want to give better information that what I managed to dredge up?

Go Larry Flint!!!!!

Seems to me there is a major flaw in the election laws.
Nothing new there.
They just now starting to abuse it, I wonder what took them so long.

Pregnant chads, presidency handed by the courts, representatives of states in the hiding to stop gerrymanding....

And now TERMINATOR for GOVERNOR!!! :rollin

Fuck governor, Arnie for president!

Just imagine the foreign relations!
- "Listen to me you have to get out of here now!"
And
- "The best things in life are to crush your enemies, see them driven before you and hear the lamentations of their women".

//Kiv

Lol at the end of the press confrence, he was like

"I'll be back."

GoGo Arnie!

as much as you guys may joke, he would be a much better governer than davis

i live in california, davis is a fucken fag. I have to pay 3 times more for registration, I can barely get into the classes I need, there should be a 3rd choice on the ballot, execution....

Realistically all "professional" politicians are scumbags and out to get their own share. Ronald Reagen was an excellent governer and he was basically in the same position as Arnold. Arnold though is an immigrate who made it big in America, he has some experience of being in the lower class, and some in the upper class (prolly some in the middle). I personally think he would actually listen to the people and try, unlike Davis or another "professional" politician who would just fuck us over some more.

I'm voting for Mariah Carey.

Davis is a fucking joke. A pathetic excuse for governer.

Fuck that car registriation crap, I paid mine last month (thank god) and it was only $203, next year it's gonna be 3x that. Stupid bullshit.

Waaa... I have to pay a lot to drive a car... waaaa....

Take the bus, use a valid example of how he is a poor governer or shut up.

hey fag, this is los angeles not new york, you cant get to your job 20 miles away w/out taking 10 buses which will take you 4 hours.

Driving is the only way to survive in LA, so stfu with your amish crap.

Another shining example of wit.

The fucking amish wouldn't allow you take a bus either.

Try to keep up. At least pretend you have a brain.

The 'Bat likes to pull shit like this to make him feel big. Whatever he needs to raise his fucked up self esteem I guess.

I USED to take the bus to work, 'till some asshole gang members ran onto the bus at its stop, shot 2 people dead, ran off, and were never caught. Then I realized, hey fuck this shit!

That, combined with some fool having a seizure, and the bus driver NOT stopping for 30 minutes, pretty much killed public transportation for me.

A real example? The energy/power crisis? The budget mismanagement? If you lived here, you'd know.

But you don't. So shut the fuck up and go back to your hole.

Ya agreed there..

Amorach.. remember the little thing called "the San Andres Fault"?
Those pesky earthquakes have forced LA to become a massivly sprawling lowlevel city that covers a huge widespread area.. as opposed to a Manhatten.. where everything is centralized and public transportation is preferred method of transportation.

The 'Bat likes to pull shit like this to make him feel big. Whatever he needs to raise his fucked up self esteem I guess.
Maybe I just don't like whiners. Maybe I was lashing out on a messageboard about something totaly unrelated to the topic at hand. Maybe I was just trying to be funny (and failing)

I come here for the laughs and sometimes stimulating conversation. But since you think you know how my brain works, I guess I can say you spend time making your car into ego statement to stroke your own fucked up self esteem.

A real example? The energy/power crisis? The budget mismanagement? If you lived here, you'd know.


See? Some folks can present a valid argument. However, I'll pass on moving to LA. I understand your Governer is an incompetant ass.
You could always move if you wanted to. I did that when Pataki got elected and I couldn't find a damn job in NY.

Those pesky earthquakes have forced LA to become a massivly sprawling lowlevel city that covers a huge widespread area.. as opposed to a Manhatten.. where everything is centralized and public transportation is preferred method of transportation.

Tokyo seems to do very well with tall buildings in an earthquake prone area.

I'd argue that building a huge, spawling city in an area that is prone to natural disaseter isn't the brightest move. Same thing goes for people who build and rebuild oceanfront property that gets leveled every few years. It is part of the reason why I live where I do.

You could also say that the reason LA has become a sprawling mess is that it is so cheap to operate a motor vehicle there. If the cost for private transportation was prohibitive, the city might not have grown as it did or public transportation may have become more widespread. Of course, it might very well have grown as it did anyhow, considering immigration and other variables.

Now, if it was stated: Hey, this vehicle registration fee is stupid, and is just the last thing in a long line of stupid moves by the governer so I signed up to recall his sorry ass- at least then you'd be doing something about it other than yapping your mouth on an internet messageboard.

Take the bus, use a valid example of how he is a poor governer or shut up.

Are there people in California who think he's a good governor? He was governor during an energy crisis at least partly caused by government legislation, and he's helping to enact laws that seem to encourage employers to leave California.

One reason for Tokyo having high rise buildings is that in Japan.. Earthquake insurance is funded by the government.
In the United States.. insurance is privatly funded..

Sooooooooo

The cost of insurance for building a skyrise in LA is AMAZINGLY high..
whereas.. through government subsidies.. it is affordable in Japan..
It is necessary in Japan as they do not have the area to expand into that the US does..

Huh. I didn't know that.

The Japanese also use different building codes and have helped develop some very earthquake resistant building techniques- I *think* they were the first to require and use buildings on shock absorbers- probably because the government was footing the bill and also make the building codes.

The fact of the matter is trying to figure out why LA is the way it is could possibly take up an entire 900 page book, with an additional 50 pages of cross references.

The cost of insurance for building a skyrise in LA is AMAZINGLY high..
whereas.. through government subsidies.. it is affordable in Japan..
It is necessary in Japan as they do not have the area to expand into that the US does

Yes, I am aware that expansion in Japan isn't a viable option. Tokyo, if I recall correctly, also has the highest cost of land anywhere on the globe. Damn islands...

Did a little search. Seems the cheapest rent in downtown Tokyo for a 120 square metre, three bedroom flat is 450000 yen a month... which is roughly... 3,800 US dollars.

I signed up to recall his sorry ass

Check. I signed the moment I know it was an available option. As did my friends at work after I made them aware of it.

Maybe I just don't like whiners. Maybe I was lashing out on a messageboard about something totaly unrelated to the topic at hand. Maybe I was just trying to be funny (and failing)

I honestly don't give a fuck, and probably took it the wrong way. I can't tell if you were trying to be funny or not because of your rather odd sense of humor. If so, my apoligies. Just sounded like one of your rather pointed remarks.

Anyway, my sig was a failed attempt to annoy/amuse Ytrok. Don't worry it will be replaced with something far more offensive soon.

I applaud your political activism.

As for not giving a fuck... /shrug. You cared enough to flame me. Luckily I'm like a hybrid of Nomex and asbestos, except I don't cause cancer. Or get made into clothing. So really, not much like them at all.

as for my sense of humor being odd: I confess. I've a very different sense of humor.

Ah.
Only in America actors can run things.

Just a couple comments on the Davis situation.

As far as the energy crisis:

Legislation was put into place by Pete Wilson, who was worried more about becoming president than being govener. He rushed back from his presidential campaign to sign in teh deregulation of electricity and was back on the road within 1 hour of coming back into the state.

When the energy crisis got ugly, the same people that are now looking for his recall were the ones yelling the loudest "We don't care what it takes get the power back on" Typical politics, Many of the "Advisors" which were on both political fronts had the various power suppliers paychecks in their wallets. The advice he was given by these "Consultants" really did alot of damage to the budget.

Not excuses for Davis he has really drop the ball on other issue's, but he is also taking alot of heat for stuff he couldn't fix.

Only in America actors can run things.

Every politician is an actor.

120 square metre
Jesus fucking christ are you trying to rent a ranch or an apartment?

That's a luxurious apartment to say the least.

//Kiv

About the size of the house I used to rent (1300 square feet)- for which I paid about 1/3 of that a month.

Like I said, it is three bedrooms- about the size of the average middle class house here.

Also, I'm not sure if that is total dimensions or just living area- real estate is measured differently in different countries.
(edit) typed the wrong number of feet in my conversion)

I live in LA. I travel by public bus to college (twenty-odd mile ride plus a couple more miles on foot, a three hour round trip on average.) I dislike Davis as much as the next guy.

Having said that, I'd rather have Davis serve out the remainder of his term than allow the Republicans to gain and maintain a stranglehold on California for the next decade.

i agree with will, if there is a recall i would rather have him serve the rest of his term and have him not run for office the next round

i like arnold, but i don't like this "get in, get out" ordeal that davis just went through

Personally..
I would love to see Republicans in control of California..

Its the 7th largest economy in the world!
While I dont agree with much of the republican platform..
But they definitly subscribe to a more sound fiscal policy.. especially at State level, where Defense is not a consideration.

Republicans would stabilize a state that is spinning out of control and dragging down the rest of the countrys recovery.
Make State Government more efficent.. reduce taxes.. I think thats what California needs for a while...

If only it where that simple.

At least on the national level, Democrats have shown much better fiscal restraint (look at the deficits under republican and democratic leadership over the last 2 decades).

The problem in California is that the Republicans are to socially conservative for the state. If the Republicans can drop that baggage and actually generate some reasonable grounds to believe they could handle the fiscal end better, having more than one viable party in California would be good for the state.

Dude. come on. The only democrat president in power over the last twenty years was in power during a massive influx of tax money. It wasn't because his party had better fiscal restraint.

Figure this one out... the primary reason that the recall supporters have based their campaign on is the Budget Deficit. Yet, Californians re-elected Davis *AFTER* the big energy crisis that put the state in the red. This will do more to destroy the publics faith in Politics than fix a budget.

Figure this one out... the primary reason that the recall supporters have based their campaign on is the Budget Deficit. Yet, Californians re-elected Davis *AFTER* the big energy crisis that put the state in the red. This will do more to destroy the publics faith in Politics than fix a budget.

The problem is that the Republicans can't get elected, no matter which dumbass the Democrats put forward.

This is a problem.

Terminator isn't the answer. =)

electing someone who has held a job outside of the government might help us some too, and simon was not a viable person i'd vote for last election

last election was pitiful

The Republicans screwed themselves in the Primary when they voted for Simon. A right wing nutball will never win in California, and Davis knew that. All of his attack ads were directed at Richard Riordan, a moderate republican, who I (a registered democrat) would have voted for.

The problem with government is that its full of politicans. :(