I'm sure this has happened to everyone at least once.

You enter a zone and shout or OOC for a camp check. If smart, you wait a few minutes and do it a second time. Getting a few replies, you decide to head for one not called only to find it camped, be it a solo or group. Now, you've just dashed over, sometimes having to fight your way through to find some jerks can't even give a response.

This is so freaking irritating! Don't tell me they were busy, in 15 minutes they could have given enough time to call the camp. If a soloist and afk, I sorta forgive them as long as they have their afk up. (Everyone needs a bio run or get's phone-calls.) I hate even more when they snidely reply they have ooc or shout off. At least one of your group should have heard and replied.

It's getting so anymore, if the camp isn't called and I run all that way just to find some morons with no decency to answer a check there, I want to say, screw them and camp right there anyways. (After all EQ doesn't recognize camps, she do it out of mutual respect and if they don't have the respect to answer then why should I respect them camping the spot?)

It's a quite old topic ...

Perhaps you have not considered the following points:
> some players read their chat window very very rarely, Buffy on 6th channel yay!
> some players don't care about others, you have to deal with that in a game like EQ.
> perhaps this group is having hard time with mobs, or in CR or arguing about a loot, or cleric a/o chanter gating during fight, etc ... who knows?
> you are the N-th to ask for "CAMP CHECK" in the same hour, with N = a quite big number ;)

And yes camps are not recognize by SoE in EQ.
You can try to ask them to share if you are at camp spot.
If they react negatively, have the pleasure to /petition them :)

I dont really bother about camp checks..

This is because I have 4 chat windows up, i rarely ever look at the one with public channels/emotes/say, and in some zones you see 30 camp checks an hour.. lguk pre-kunark anyone? =P

my public channels are off...

Among other things, I'm in 6 chat channels. Simply due to the nature of my class, I very often find myself unable to pay too much attention to other things. Sometimes if I'm "in the zone" I will essentially tune out everything except twisting and pulling, I freely admit that sometimes I will be totally ignoring group or guild chat. While generally I try to pay attention, the other day someone asked for me in GC and I didn't even notice it until 10 minutes later when another friend asked me what soandso had wanted.

Yeah it's irritating to fight your way somewhere to find its camped, or to find that there's a group in your spot. But between group spam, GC spam, melee spam, song/spell spam, and however many chat channels you may be in, there's not much that can be done about it =x

The best way to get a response on a camp check is do a /ooc heading to suchandsuch and if someone is there they usually respond saying that it is camped.

Thats the best way I get a response.

Lopp Syded 65 Shaman
Gnore 65 Bard

Taking someones camp is a character flaw, no matter what excuse you use. Sure, it's not in the Soe rules, but only very selfish and greedy people would do such a thing. Missing an ooc is one thing, no biggy ~it happens. Taking someones camp is quite another.

Only a truly selfserving person would take a camp because of a lack of response on a camp check. Camp stealers are scum.

Growlpuss Nobleclaw
65 Shaman

Lol, Truly a piece of vintage Spekter. You never cease to amaze me with your ignorance. Why don't you grab some character and class, try to get along for a change. The "morons" you speak of might just have been too busy to answer you, ever think of that ? I don't play EQ so I can watch for your camp checks. I respond to camp checks if I see them. Sometimes I don't see them. You know why? Cause I am playing.

You need a reality check girl

Growltom Nobleclaw
65 Bst

The growlie twins said it for me, /hug :D

-Vahs!

You know it's just like you Pussy to read into something more then a line means.

I Said " I want to say, screw them and camp right there anyways. " never said I ever would. It's called venting frustration.

KILL has more class then to camp steal. You should know that but we won't get into your bailing on a guild instead of facing and working out problems you helped cause.

As for multi-windows and chats. I know how that is because Rugal is constantly swamped such, but there are more then one of us in the group, and with KILL at least one will call out replies to camp checks. Heck, I've made a hotkey just for that so typing doesn't interfer with the killing.

Like I also said, I give multiple calls before I move, just incase people have their hands full with whatever. It's also not hard to tell if they are or had been busy when you run up on the camp, especially in Dulak.

I suppose some of you also agree it's alright to take over anothers camp cause they have a bit of bad luck and wipe either down to one person or fully. I've seen this happen, watched people stand a few feet away as it happens and not help then just take over the camp.

LOL: Pussy, hehe good one, but reserved for Tom only. My friends call me Puss. You can call me Mrs. Nobleclaw.

Quote Spekter: KILL has more class then to camp steal. You should know that but we won't get into your bailing on a guild instead of facing and working out problems you helped cause. (end quote)

You really wanna get into why we left Spekter? Surprises me you wanna do it here, but oki, here ya go;
1) You are a self serving bitch who cowers behind the facade of "I just love to help people".
2) You do not respect the opinions of others, but try to manipulate them to serve your own needs.
3) Tom couldn't handle your incessant whining and complaining about Non-issues.
4) For 3 months, as an officer of KILL, I spent countless hours mediating with you and about you because so many people had left and wanted to leave because of your attitude. How long do you feel "beating a dead horse" is appropriate.
5) After 3 months of no solutions it was decided by the founding members and core of KILL that you should leave for harmony and the betterment of the guild. You've been back, what, 2-3 weeks now and KILL is losing an average of what, maybe one member every two weeks? Don't delude yourself into thinking that it's not related directly to you.
6) Watching you try to destroy your fiancee's guild was something we simply could no longer watch. We have too much respect for Rugal and could not watch you try to destroy everything he, and his friends, have achieved. You are manipulative, selfish, and a troublemaker; behind the facade that is, don't let the first impressions fool ya.

So, in summation, I don't refer to KILL in the same light I refer to you. I see in your response you very much refer to the KILL way (or hide behind it's good reputation). Lets be very clear here, I'm talking to you Spekter, not to KILL. Spekter and KILL and two totally separate things. KILL is good, Spekter is very very bad (apple).

Kill has more class than to camp steal, but you don't
~You have NO class Spekter. Don't you think if you had the respect of your guild you'd be an officer by now? Are you not aware yet that people just put up with you so they can remain part of KILL. Ghoul knows we did until the whining just got way beyond ridiculous. Do you know how many people totally avoid you? Likely not, cause it's always you who is "being wronged". I have one person on my ignore list, guess who that is?

"Bailing on a guild" is the attack I've responded to here. I have more to say if you need further clarification.

Growlpuss Nobleclaw
Friend of KILL, enemy of whiners.

Oh snap.

Good Nag thread jack.

a good solution to the camp check problem might be totally forgetting about camp check, and just run and check the camps yourself.

if youre the one wanting a camp, why dont you do the work to find out whats camped.

How you twist things to your vision Pussy, just like you had always done.

Just like when you interrupted a raid, spouting your tirade over BS at me. Felt I insulted you cause I wouldn't kneel at you feet. Then cursed me and dared demand an apology, threatening to quit the guild and take you crew with you.
When this did not get you what you sought, you ran to Core with it and the threat of the same leaving to Core if they did not handle me to your satisfaction.
To try and ease tensions, they gave me a month suspension, which over half the guild stood up against. You couldn't handle that. Couldn't handle that too many saw you as the manipulative person you are. Seeing that you bailed.

News flash for you. Core are not the only founders in KILL. And also those that stood by me are the long time players. Loosing people? Since I've been back we've seen one leave to run to you. We expected that anyways as he joined as one of your friends.

It's really sad that you and another female felt so threatened over Rugal and mine relationship. You couldn't take total control and get your claws into him like you had Core. He's way to intelligent to fall for that anyways.

And what's this mediate BS? You came onto me like you were my mother. Just like in the officers, you would say people complained, but when names were asked for so these people could be talked to and things worked out none were given. Better to keep slander and backstabbing in the dark.

I like the way Rugal looked at it. If people can't come out in the open over things, then it's not worth bothering with.

You're final mistake was sticking your nose into his and my personal relationship. That was the final straw for me and the respect ended there. You parade around like mommy, say you want to listen and help, then when someone trusted and cared to speak in an open manner with you, you can't take what you hear and turn on them with claws and rude manners and language unbecoming an officer.

If you want to label my love of helping others, those I call friends and family, even those I may only meet but once, as selfish, then I proudly accept the title. At least Rugal and I were and are always there when one gives a call for help. We will stop what we're doing, if possible, interrupt private time even, being in EQ or not and logging into EQ at a call for help. We've done a lot more for KILL then you ever had and will continue to do so.

Good friends will stay, those with true caring and open eyes will stay. Whining, manipulative, self centered, control freaks like you will move on to wreck your way through EQ. You can hide the truth or try to, but KILL isn't the only guild you slithered away from recently, dragging your crew along. If you really cared for KILL like you want to claim here, then you wouldn't have made threats trying to get your way. You would have given things time, then given it an honest effort to fix things.

You're gone, KILL lives on and will. I will stand by my family here. You started this all here Pussy not me. Guess you just couldn't leave things well enough alone. But, this isn't the KILL forum, and I don't have to hold back how I feel.

ok now do the part where you pull each others hair and your tops pop off!

Oooooo, the drama :D

The newbies are at it again!

Nice Comeback ! Wheee ~

More plz.

KILL: We know dr4ma

natter natter...Yes you will always stop everything your doing to help, then you broadcast it to make sure everyone is aware, and since everyone is a moron, you will repeat yourself over and over again so that it's all very clear to everyone that your a saint. You're your own favorite hero.

I believe the only personal comments i've made to Rugal about your relationship with him was to suggest he go out and date a real woman so he can be sure he knows what he's missin'.

See hun, when you wanted me to present your application for officership to the core, you thought I was on your side. When you found out that there is no way in HELL you would ever be supported by core or myself in a leadership position, well you just blew another fuse didn't ya; just like that time a few weeks prior when you started calling officers and members Bitches in raid chat in the middle of a raid ~i believe you were asked to leave then too. The fuse you blew, however, was a dis against the leadership of kill and it was in a tell to me. Damn straight you were told to apologize. Shame ya didn't have it in ya ~another character flaw.

And credit where credit is due please. Rugal's happiness, even at the cost of you, is where the majority of the concerns lie. He's a good guy, I don't understand some of the choices he makes, but he's a good guy.

I have better things to do Spek. I'll close with this little piece of advice I got from a friend in highschool who said this to her boyfriend "If you don't talk, no one will know your stupid".

Puss E. Cat

"Your" should be "you're" in that little bit of advice. Just...y'know...helping you out there.

i have had the same problems and have realized other situations that a group dosent ask normaly if a camp dosent respond i send someone invis to check it out and if i cant get them there invis i just take my chances and accept there still may be someone there and move on its not like there arent 5000 other places i can hunt just got to keep a few options open

...I can't believe I'm commenting on all this, yikes.
If you two wanna have a catfight, thats ok, I'm aware of your personal quarrels. I don't like it mind you, cause being caught in the middle bites.
I'd kind of appreciate keeping personal issues to just that, and stop bringing up old guild issues. I guess I have to clear a few things to make the spotlight move on. For you both and whoever else:

I respect lots of people, that doesn't mean its the only thing to consider about officering. You know that very well, and I won't get into more details about that here. Heck, I don't have to like or personally know someone to respect him. You both know better and thats all there is.

We're not quite bleeding out the way its put here either. I expected friends wanting to stay together and yea, figured there'd be people to move on once you left (which happened after she was gone if ya recall). We had no inside drama or the likes, for what its worth. We do fine.

We have yet to ask someone in midraid to leave because of whatever. Yes I recall the interruptions of you both. It wasn't pretty, but neither of you went around calling random people bitches. I have no desire to dig that up again, lets just leave it at that.
You both got to deal with my.. unhappiness about it, each at their time. Rehashing OLD issues leads nowhere. I didn't think I had to ever deal with all that again..another reason why I try to keep short.

Somewhat on topic: Spekter hasn't done any hostile camp takeover, you know well enough that I don't tolerate that kind of behaviour to even imply it.

And lastly, I'm most definitely not discussing my relationship here. I don't remember when the "multi date" suggestion was made and honestly, that suggestion is quite irritating.
This is a feud between the two of you. Don't drag me or others into this dance..being caught between two pairs of catclaws isn't my idea of fun, ya know?
Naturally, I want to stand up for my fiancee and guild, if someone wants to take it personal or cry bias, there's nothing I can do about it but I'm sure you wouldn't act any different.

I don't wash my dirty laundry in public, hasn't been my way and I don't plan to start now. I'd appreciate if you find a room for your laundry, so to speak. Especially when it throws a bad light on things that are important to me. I hope I can get that much respect, thanks.
My PM/Mail box and tell window are always open if you have issues related to all that.
Enjoy,

I certain that anyone who reads the above post can see that I far from control Rugal. It's one thing I love most about him, that he can stand firmly and unbiased. To say it hasn't irritated me at times would be lying, but he's never played favorites between me and the guild. Some people however refuse to see this and have caused both him and I grief, have caused turmoil.

No, in truth he controls me far more then I do him. He has asked this argument to end here. Though I was not the one to throw the first slander, I will concede to my love's wishes. His happiness is far more important to me then anything else, no matter what others wish to claim.

I apologize to any bystanders all this mudslinging may have offended. I had thought the past all done and over, that people moved on until what was started here. It will not stop me from posting my thoughts on subjects, but it will end, at least on my part, answering to anymore slanderous words or twisted lies by others.

Can you say ...."soap Opera""

wtf, people are still talking about this?

welcome to '99



Orun

You ever see the episode of "That 70's Show", where Eric and Red forget Kitty's birthday. Kitty gets mad, Red says to Kitty, "Well its your responsibility to write down birthdays on the calendar". And Eric says to Red "NOOOOOOOOOOO".

Well think of the passion Eric had with that "NOOOOOO" when I say this...

"NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO"
For petes sake are you crazy bringing the wishy wash here... these people are gonna metaphorically hang you. Its like the bottom of the barrel of EQ folks!

I can't watch /turns head.

but he's never played favorites between me and the guild.

No, in truth he controls me far more then I do him. He has asked this argument to end here.

This all is fun stuff to read but it's really disturbing to see the above 2 lines.. first I would put my fiancee waaaaay ahead of many things, specially an online community, no matter how important those people are... and a relationship, at least to me, is not about who is controlling who and how much..

Siludorf,

Thank you for those thoughts. :)

Thing is, there have been those that were once in the guild, and I believe a few still in it, that want to rant and claim I control the guild through Rugal, which is so far from true it hurts.

Every time he wants me to do something in the guild, or pushes for one of my ideas, or even stands up for me, the whines start.

This is one reason I started an earlier thread asking if any other guilds had ever run into the same sort of problem, and if so how was it handled?

IRL, neither controls the other, (well let's not get into private time :evil ) But in the guild he is GL, he must make the decisions and if anyone does wrong, even me, he must put his foot down and handle it. So this is why the statement of he controls me, and not the other way around.

for the love of god, if your raid gets to a target and finds 2-3 toons killing it, just watch dont ks them.

and a fond GFY to a certain monk tonight

Spekter, what are you doing? Ever since you got flamed like a month ago you've been posting about random shit left and right...What are you trying to accomplish?





Maylen Bojangles

OK, I read the whole thing I still don't see the punch line...

Maylen Bojangles,

I think mostly to get stuff off my chest. You know how things can build up until you want to just scream and slam some heads into walls or worse. One of those that caused so much distress and trouble first flames me, then the other. You know things have been so much more calm and nice without them around. I think that's what drives them nutz. This is a NAG forum, a flame board and rant area. It feels good just to let it go at times.

Heheheh, just don't let me get started on the real life issues board.

My original post:Taking someones camp is a character flaw, no matter what excuse you use. Sure, it's not in the Soe rules, but only very selfish and greedy people would do such a thing. Missing an ooc is one thing, no biggy ~it happens. Taking someones camp is quite another.

Only a truly selfserving person would take a camp because of a lack of response on a camp check. Camp stealers are scum.

Growlpuss Nobleclaw
65 Shaman

There is no flame here in reference to you Spekter. There is a flame here toward camp stealers which is inkeeping with this thread. Perhaps you just jumped on it as an opportunity to flap at the gums. It would be a better use of time and energy to harness all that aggression and go out into the real world and contribute something. Throwing out snyde acusations like your reference to my "bailing on a guild" gets peoples backs up and causes flames, but you knew that when you wrote it didn't you. I see nothing has changed.

I find the crystal clear irony here just absolutely hilarious.

Oops, i forgot the ironic part, your response...

Quote: You know it's just like you Pussy to read into something more then a line means.

ROFLMFAO.

Puss

Well I would have snapped back towards Tom, but we know who is the real cause behind all the past problems, so I adressed the core of the infection.

You also say you respect Rugal, but not enough to just zip your lip. You love keeping things going, just like trying to blame me over people leaving when it's well known in the guild that since your leave you have done nothing but try to talk others into it as well. Funny, many are my friends you've tried this with and they are far more devoted and love the guild obviously then you.

Move on Pussy. Get over yourself.

Spekter, just to clarify things for you;

1- Puss tried her best to resolve things between you and the guild, to suggest otherwise is ludicrous. Rugal, the rest of core and anyone who was involved in KILL knows this. If Rugal was honest he would acknowledge this, and clarify it to you. I have many PM's between myself and Rugal where he is apologizing for your ridiculous and childish behaviour.

2- I ( me ..Tom ) left KILL because I did not want to be around you for 1 more minute. I feel I am degrading myself right now just communicating with you. You are pathetic.

3- Puss is my RL wife, she left KILL because I did. She knew I had had it with you and was not going to stay. This is called respecting your loved ones and supporting them in their decisions. LET ME MAKE THIS CLEAR FOR YOU. Puss did NOT want to leave KILL, she wanted things to work out for everyone.

4- The reason I stayed as long as I did was because I made a lot of friends in KILL and I did not want to see KILL gutted by people leaving if I did. When we joined KILL, as you are aware, many of our close EQ friends joined as well. Somewhere around 10 or 12 high level people if I remember right. We were concerned that many of these people would leave KILL if we did, thus taking much muscle from the guild. You have referred to this concern we had as a threat we used against you, however all we were really concerned about was the welfare of KILL. As it turned out, only 6 or 7 left when we did, and for this I am glad. I never wanted to hurt KILL. You, for some reason are too dense to understand this, and only see it as attacks / threats / blackmail, etc.

I left KILL because I did not want to waste another minute of my EQ time on you Spekter.

Hope it's very clear for you now

Tom

Quote: You, for some reason are too dense to understand this, and only see it as attacks / threats / blackmail, etc.


Obviously when one is sent a telly, after said person called them a bitch and other rude things, demanding an apology or threatening to quit, using the words that it would be a mass exodus and placing blame on me. I would have to say that was all the above.

Also rather funny you would make such claims about talks with Rugal. Never once had he or any other said you had any problems with me. But then guess it shows the lack of decency on your's and their parts, preferring to play whinny shadow games instead of being adult enough to speak to me yourself. See that kind of actions is what caused so many of the problems.

I don't back stab. I come straight out and speak when something troubles me. Ah, but it was well known how well you both took straight, honest speaking. It was ironic how you picked apart anything I said or posted too, looking for something to be pissy over.

Like I've already said..

You're gone, move on with your EQ lives.

Personally, I'm very happy with mine. I have a wonderful son, a loving fiancee and a guild that is family to me. Always has been, always will be.

oh and this BS line of you leaving cause of not wanting to be around me. That is so lame, being you bailed while I wasn't in the guild and people were standing up strong for me. Guess that says a lot huh? Standing up for me, not Rugal, but me.

Lol Spek, you will never get it.

Anyway, I'm glad your happy

/em waves good riddance to Spekter
/ignore Spekter

Tom

I am still wondering why spekter if you have any love/respect for Rugal are you still dragging this out on a public board, when you know he has expressed it to end or be carried out in a private forum.

Okay, back to the topic:

I'm sorry, but responding to camp-check calls is not a requirement of anybody...its a nice gesture, but that's ALL it is. Face it, if you want to find a camp, its YOUR responsibility, not that of everyone else in the zone. I'll call a camp-check occasionally, but I'm not going to get bent out of shape if I head to a camp that wasn't called in camp check to find out its camped.


Now, back to the Drama!

Someone remind me? Which one is Spekter again?

Back to the topic again, and thats where i am staying.....

Typically camp stealin is BS i think, let me go further though with a few observations.....

Paludal Caverns

I have more often seen a second group move into camp two when one group is adequatly handling all the spawns...
is this camp stealing? kinda but one group handling all the spawns at camp two, maybe that group should be hunting somewhere else.... just an observation

Veksar

I dont spend as much time in Veksar as I did when it first came out, but I remember learning there not to call camp check. So often I would get to a camp not called to find a small group there camping it, but it being full spawn and knowing that they got there seconds before me. I found it much easier just to go look myself and usuaaly get the camp i wanted. This has probably changed by now, traffic there has died down some.

I ususally always answer camp checks, but ya i miss it in tells to, and i have one chat window, group, guild and two channels in it, with all my battle spam going to one of 6 other windows, and yes i can still see the screen. I probably wont miss in ooc but can easily see how everyone else would.

So, just a thought when you do call camp check, dont trust anyone to reply or even be there unless you check yourself, my sugestion be real close to the camp you want before you go /ooc CAMP CHECK

Dontaious> sits quietly in her corner and shakes her head will it ever end.. :lol

/em gives a big group hug to all his old friends he sees posting

/bye
/sit
/camp

/em sigh, someday hopefully the hate will go away.
/wave to old guildmates

Back on subject. I say holler for the camp check. If you don't get an answer move...if you find it's camped say, "oh well" and move elsewhere.

Suggestion to the group who's camped there. Don't get mad if I kill one ore two mobs near in your camp while otm to it, if you didn't answer. I found someone camped in Dulak the other night who didn't respond to camp check. I got there via killing a couple of mobs (one named) that aggro'd on me. Only after some whining did I find out that they were camped there....I apologized, but let them know that I didn't get an answer and NOTHING takes a shot at me and lives (if I can kill it that is). Then I moved on.

My theory anyway, take it or leave it.

ok now do the part where you pull each others hair and your tops pop off!

ROFL :rollin !

The term 'bitch fight' was prominent in my mind when i read that sentence...good one