Starting to sound like a Tom Clancey novel around China nowdays. With China suffering more and more due to dependence on foreign natural resources are they now becoming more aggressive?

How would the rest of the world handle such a conflict. There's no way Japan could stand alone against China.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175005,00.html

It's likely nothing of course, but I do find it odd they are playing these games with Japan ( an ancient enemy ) in today's "civilized" times..

Fandros

I would hope we'd aid our Ally of the last 50 years if something major were to happen.

/nods Tale my thoughts exactly. Which is perhaps what China wants as they have been playing joint war games with Russia.

Fandros

If you want to build a better air force, you gotta put 'em in the air. This is nothing that didn't use to happen over Germany a lot.

If you want to build a better air force, you gotta put 'em in the air. This is nothing that didn't use to happen over Germany a lot.

With the land mass of China, arguing that they need to fly over Japan's air space does not quite meet the "Okay, that makes sense" standard. China has been adopting an ever-more aggressive stance the last few years, and this is just one more instance of that.

China v Japan? I expected some vBookie action :(

I have to agree. If something were to happen we best be supporting our ally's.

China wants as they have been playing joint war games with Russia.

Could get really ugly if this were to happen. Have anywhere I could read about these wargames Fandros?

Global Thermonuclear War

How About A Nice Game Of Chess?

Japan is a cornerstone of US power in Asia and it's not even questionable as to who's side we'd come down on. China would be begging for a nuclear suckerpunch if they started anything serious, and while their military isn't anything to sneeze at, their ability to hurt us back is negligible compared to our ability to hurt them.

Read it somewhere, I'll find it for ya tomorrow Tale.


Fandros

This is something that has people scared for a while now. Every couple of weeks there's a couple articles in the Times about Chinese agression. The president is in London this week as we're holding the EU Presidency, and there's a shit-load of protesting. The human-rights violations in China is astronomical, they execute more people in a 3-month period than the entire world do in a year. Torture, kidnaping, political-strong-arming, it's all in a days work.
Yet for all its insane economic growth and global power, I'm not one to worry too much. I really believe a conflict with China is on the cards in the future, but technologically, they suck. Europe still has an arms embargo in place and China is really behind and lacking in military advancement. The overwhelmingly oppressed surf population can hardly be called stable, and with the country depending so much on outside resources whilst trying to keep its straining population fed gives it too many weaknesses on all fronts to stand up in a real fight.

I don't know that I agree with you so much Halo, at least not on the tech end of things. If Terrorists have taught us one thing, it's that you don't have to be a top super power or have great technology to bring someone to their knees. Today's warfare is not about who has the best equipment.

Well one thing China lacks for is Air Power. Their newest AC , the J-10 , is on par with our F16's. They only ordered about 300 of those so that's not going to sit them well. Their Naval power is also lacking. They might have the sheer troops, but anything outside their hemisphere will put a knot on their plans.


Fandros

I don't know that I agree with you so much Halo, at least not on the tech end of things. If Terrorists have taught us one thing, it's that you don't have to be a top super power or have great technology to bring someone to their knees. Today's warfare is not about who has the best equipment.

Yes and no, it's about who has the fighting experience and industrial base, and while it would take years to retool the US to pre 1970s levels we can still outfight and outbuild China in the long term, for the forseeable future. The primary consideratin is that we already have the infrastructure in place to strike into China effectively at will, and have had it for years, and the converse is not true. China's big card to play has always been the overwhelming number of people they could throw into a conflict, so many as to make a land war on the scale of WW2, that only matters at their own border.

Terrorism can scare us, but even sneaking a thermonuclear bomb into a US city would not be anywhere near what we could do back afterwards, if we so chose. We have enough spare nukes to convert any 3 given countries into contiguous fields of glass while still maintaining detente against the Russians (who would likely not be on China's side either).

Give China time and they will have an Airforce (recent news of a spy releasing information on our Stealth bombers to China) and have a Navy. I don't under estimate China..deffinately if you give them even 10 more years.

Really, a country's military prowess doesn't matter anymore once nukes are involved. It doesn't matter if you have five nukes or five hundred nukes. It only takes one nuke for the world to destroy itself.

China does not want conflict, nor do the other major powers in Asia. Anyone who understands East Asian philosophy will understandy why.

As for China lacking behind in technological developments, I say give them time. They will catch up eventually. Their space program surely is.

And I'm at war with myself. I'm part-native Taiwanese, part Chinese (cantonese/shanghainese), and part-Japanese. Haha.

Youch Rybit heh, that's a conflict all it's own ;)

You say they don't want conflict, but it's also true that China ,like most Asian power, has gone to war quite frequently with it's neighbors ( Korea, Japan etc etc)

Fandros

Geez, Rybit....I thought I had it bad, being part Irish, Scottish and Swedish, and beating myself up anytime I get drunk.

I offer my sincere sympathy:rolleyes:

shut up, whitie. you'll be seeing asian supremacy in the future after we overpopulate.
Straight from my AIM log. True story.

You guys are forgettign one major thing..... Japan has Gawdzeera and I think China just has Mothra or Gorgon.... the Japs are totally safe.... :)

You guys are forgettign one major thing..... Japan has Gawdzeera and I think China just has Mothra or Gorgon.... the Japs are totally safe.... :)

I thought Mothra was more aligned with Japanese, coming from the islands around Okinawa? Plus, Rodan might get in the picture if China keeps flying those jets around:eek: