His response to Obama's address, if you didn't see it:

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http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/bobby-jindal-response-pan_n_169710.html

Both Democrats and Republicans alike panned Jindal's rebuttal in terms that were decidedly harsh: "amateurish," "laughable" and, most commonly, "a missed opportunity."

"After watching Jindal," one Democratic strategist emailed, "I'd pay a lot of money to be back watching a Palin speech."

"Awkward with capital A," emailed another.

The punditry was equally brutal. Part of the problem was the crux of Jindal's address, which consisted almost entirely of red meat for conservatives. The Governor offered criticism for anything other than tax cuts and ridiculed government spending for items that are either widely supported -- "$8 billion for high-speed rail" -- or seemingly essential -- "$140 million for something called 'volcano monitoring'" (isn't Louisiana Exhibit A in the need for natural disaster warning?).

"You know, I think Bobby Jindal is a very promising politician," said New York Times columnist David Brooks, appearing on PBS, "and I oppose the stimulus because I thought it was poorly drafted. But to come up at this moment in history with a stale "government is the problem," "we can't trust the federal government" -- it's just a disaster for the Republican Party. The country is in a panic right now. They may not like the way the Democrats have passed the stimulus bill, but that idea ... that government is going to have no role, the federal government has no role in this ... it's just a form of nihilism. It's just not where the country is, it's not where the future of the country is. There's an intra-Republican debate."

Really wasn't his best oratory showing.

to quote the nameless msnbc person: 'oh god'.

It also doesnt pay to look at the response to hurricane katrina and say...trust us republicans to do the job right.

Yeah I cringed reading the text of his response.

Though I heard a Utah congressman make a response today on the morning news. He was talking about how Obama had mentioned getting bills through without earmarks and then he referrenced the mess that's trying to be pushed through today with an ungodly amount of earmarks.

Talk the talk, walk the walk or I've no use for the lack of "CHANGEOMG" that was hoist upon us.

Though I heard a Utah congressman make a response today on the morning news. He was talking about how Obama had mentioned getting bills through without earmarks and then he referrenced the mess that's trying to be pushed through today with an ungodly amount of earmarks.

Heh, yeah. I was yelling at my TV a few times over that.

I still think earmarks are absurdly insignificant, but he shouldn't get away with flat-out lying about them.

I'll say this, and I might be able to make my point clear at this time.

Perhaps the monetary values attached to the earmarks are insignificant. However when one of our elected officials changes his vote based on an earmark or lack there of it becomes a problem.

Too convulted by far , especially since we're looking to streamline our Govt...or should be.

In the best of times, I'd definitely agree that we need to focus on them.

Right now, they are too insignificant to squander time on. Especially since many of them do create jobs/business and act as stimulus, which is the whole point of the bill.

edit: Not that I agree one iota with the idea of New Dealin' out of our problems. Probably just prolong the pain.

LOL...the earmark part...even I said HUH?

you guys have no idea how much better my state has been since he's been in office (jindal).

Well Fandros, you should be pleased in that the administration is also very displeased with the amount of earmarking that went into the bill and you can bet there are going to be consequences; we may not get wind of them in plebeland, sadly.

to quote the nameless msnbc person: 'oh god'.

It was Chris Matthews. So much for the media being unbiased, eh?

You guys are all sending thrills up my leg!

It was Chris Matthews. So much for the media being unbiased, eh?

unbiased? his work is to provide commentary, not to be unbiased.

unbiased? his work is to provide commentary, not to be unbiased.

One should provide commentary, but need not be blatantly bias. He is no worse than Rush imo.

One should provide commentary, but need not be blatantly bias. He is no worse than Rush imo.

last thing i heard from rush included him comparing democrats to rapists and murderers, i wouldnt put him and matthews anywhere close to each other.

unbiased? his work is to provide commentary, not to be unbiased.

During the speech? Seems a far cry from civilized discourse, if you ask me.

During the speech? Seems a far cry from civilized discourse, if you ask me.

you obviously have not seen the clip, since he didnt say it during the speech. (wtf does civilized discourse have to do with this? come on)

Ok, during the guy's walk up in front of the camera. Regardless, it's poor form, espically when the task at hand is coverage of the opposing Party's response.

Civil discourse enters into it, because Mr Matthews obviously has no use for the Republican response, and allowed that bias to seep into the coverage.

It turns out most of America had no use for the republican response.

Well Fandros, you should be pleased in that the administration is also very displeased with the amount of earmarking that went into the bill and you can bet there are going to be consequences; we may not get wind of them in plebeland, sadly.

I am pleased Malse, folks are using the crisis mode we're in to further abuse the system.

It turns out most of America had no use for the republican response.

Well, if the democrats continue on this path they'll snatch defeat from the jaws of victory. The republicans will be right back in the mix.

LOL

Have you seen Obama's approval rating?

Here is a bit of what Chris will say tonight to explain himself.

I was taken aback by that peculiar stagecraft, the walking from somewhere in the back of this narrow hall, this winding staircase looming there, the odd anti-bellum [sic] look of the scene. Was this some mimicking of a president walking along the state floor to the East Room?

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/25/chris-matthews-explains-o_n_169876.html

Me? Yeah I've seen them and they're slipping. Don't ask questions you don't want answers to.

For the interested parties, I present to you the omnibus spending bill that passed the house today.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h.r.1105:

Me? Yeah I've seen them and they're slipping. Don't ask questions you don't want answers to.

For the interested parties, I present to you the omnibus spending bill that passed the house today.

http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c111:h.r.1105:

68% is pretty damned good after you just spent almost a trillion dollars of tax payer money...

Me? Yeah I've seen them and they're slipping. Don't ask questions you don't want answers to.

He's been at 68% for a few weeks now. They haven't budged lately at all.

That's wrong Kelraz, but perhaps the congressmen who informed you can read it on yahoo.

It dropped 8 points during the start of Feb. The house and senate are plunging.

My point stands, they need to right the ship and quit using the crisis for their own bs.

That was the most confusing post ever. If over half the country think he's doing a great job and only 25% of the country disagrees - no ship righting necessary, thank you come again.

That's wrong Kelraz, but perhaps the congressmen who informed you can read it on yahoo.

It dropped 8 points during the start of Feb. The house and senate are plunging.

My point stands, they need to right the ship and quit using the crisis for their own bs.

You are wrong. Approval rating is at 68... Sorry

http://www.gallup.com/

You two are idiots and speaking out your ass. Kelraz for name dropping and making shit up and Jedd being a glass pipe sucking sycophant without facts.

Facts are facts, he's not at 68%....smoke it boys.

They need to quit spending blindly.

http://www.gallup.com/

You two are idiots and speaking out your ass. Kelraz for name dropping and making shit up and Jedd being a glass pipe sucking sycophant without facts.

Facts are facts, he's not at 68%....smoke it boys.

They need to quit spending blindly.

What exactly did I make up? http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm is more accurate btw, since all of the polls on their own only sample like 500 people.

http://www.gallup.com/

You two are idiots and speaking out your ass. Kelraz for name dropping and making shit up and Jedd being a glass pipe sucking sycophant without facts.

Facts are facts, he's not at 68%....smoke it boys.

They need to quit spending blindly.

I would say you guys just got owned. Ouch.

That's wrong Kelraz, but perhaps the congressmen who informed you can read it on yahoo.

It dropped 8 points during the start of Feb. The house and senate are plunging.

My point stands, they need to right the ship and quit using the crisis for their own bs.

That's patently untrue. It actually rose from 18 to 28% in the last week.

Still horrible, but they aren't plunging as they'd already plunged about as far as they could go. They actually went up over the last two weeks.

What exactly did I make up? http://pollingreport.com/obama_job.htm is more accurate btw, since all of the polls on their own only sample like 500 people.

In a single poll, maybe. Over the course of the ~30 polls that Gallup shows the trend across, it is all but impossible that the 1,600 person sample size is skewing things consistently in one direction.

One data point, sure, but not the entire trend.

Yeah the house has risen, still low and bound to sink lower if they don't get this shit in a pile.

I'm not a big fan of polls by any means, but if you're going to throw them up in some sort of lame defense without real facts I shall enjoy beating about the head with them.

I would say you guys just got owned. Ouch.


How? I'm sure I could find a poll saying his approval rating was whatever target number below 80% and above 10% that I wanted too. Quoting one poll with a number that's not 68% is not ownage.

Hell I saw a 68% figure floated just yesterday in more than one place.

It has gone down from inauguration day, that's for sure.

Jedd and Kelraz may very well be wrong by the gallup poll this very minute, but they are spot on with the ABC poll and within a few% of several other polls. How is that ownage?

They're trying to deflect my earlier point. My point is they need to knock this shit off or they'll lose their position of strength.

If you look at any of the polls there was a definate down turn the start of Feb.

Gallup is one of the more trusted (coughasifcough) polls folks throw up.

I won't use FOX polls for the same reason I wouldn't use ABC.

Here! http://www.weeklystandard.com/weblogs/TWSFP/2009/02/at_onemonth_mark_obamas_approv.asp

They're trying to deflect my earlier point. My point is they need to knock this shit off or they'll lose their position of strength.

If you look at any of the polls there was a definate down turn the start of Feb.

Gallup is one of the more trusted (coughasifcough) polls folks throw up.

I won't use FOX polls for the same reason I wouldn't use ABC.

why dont you offer up some proof, how will they lose their position? the current republican party is in such disarray its almost depressing.

Ok Gallup is at 61%, ABC Washington Post is at 69%, and their collective trend may even be slightly down since Jan 20th. Hardly a Bush level 25% and better than most presidents in recent memory aside from Kennedy and Truman. Hardly see how that was "making things up"

Ok Gallup is at 61%, ABC Washington Post is at 69%, and their collective trend may even be slightly down since Jan 20th. Hardly a Bush level 25% and better than most presidents in recent memory aside from Kennedy and Truman. Hardly see how that was "making things up"

Gallup has him at 59%...

2/22-24/09 61 24

I don't make the website, I just read it. So 59%.

why dont you offer up some proof, how will they lose their position? the current republican party is in such disarray its almost depressing.

Yes you jackass, I'm making shit up. Because Americans aren't already weary and tired as hell of the Washington bs.

why dont you offer up some proof, how will they lose their position? the current republican party is in such disarray its almost depressing.

Yes the current republican party is in a huge dissaray, they are searching for their souls. But as much as one can complain about America ultimately the politicians work for us. A few years ago a family member of mine worked for me, they consistently did not do their job. Finally one day I sat them down and explained that I really didn't care who worked for me, I just want the job done right. Needless to say I ended up firing them.

That is the position that most of America, maybe 68%, are in right now, we don't care much anymore who in Washington is working for us...we just want them to do the job and every two years we have a review and as in 1994, 2006, and 2008 we fired a bunch of them.

Yes you jackass, I'm making shit up. Because Americans aren't already weary and tired as hell of the Washington bs.

oh, okay, no proof, affirmative.

you guys have no idea how much better my state has been since he's been in office (jindal).

Amen

So what did he do? How is it better?

He repealed the craw fish tax for one.

you guys have no idea how much better my state has been since he's been in office (jindal).

Amen

That is great. Honestly, Blanco screwed the pooch when it came to Katrina. I still get shoots down there now and again and there are places well outside New Orleans that are still disaster areas. That state NEEDS a great leader. While I'm sure some "left wingers" will think otherwise, the majority doesn't wish an unsuccessful leader on anyone. I'm very glad he's a great Governor.

However - that is all pretty irrelevant to the topic at hand.
Last night was a pretty rough speech. I can't find a link, but I seem to remember Barak Obama giving the Democratic response to one of Bush's speeches thrusting him into the public eye just a few years ago. Last night would have been Jindal's opportunity, but he was just too awkward and he (and his staff and the Republican leadership) picked a lot of the wrong points to focus on.

Is wall street and big banking no longer the shining beacon of repulican capitalism? Have they already disowned it? Fanny you are embarrasing yourself. You boy Bush and his crew burned the house down, they had a chance to fix it, but managed to make a creater under the house too. Stop being a monday qb and let someone else take a stab at it. You are a military guy, your pay comes from taxpayer money. Hypocrite much?

You are a military guy, your pay comes from taxpayer money. Hypocrite much?

:confused::confused::confused::confused::confused: :confused::confused:

Admittedly, I could be way the fuck off here, but I think that our little Governor has waaaaayyyy too many advisors tossing tidbits in his ears, and he would be best served, as would his state, if he got his nose out of the national arena and concentrated on finishing some stuff in La (ummm, Katrina).

He struck me as being way too junior high trying to play with the high school kids, for lack of a better analogy.

(CNN) -- Louisiana Gov. Bobby Jindal's swipe at federal spending to monitor volcanoes has the mayor of one city in the shadow of Mount St. Helens fuming.

"Does the governor have a volcano in his backyard?" Royce Pollard, the mayor of Vancouver, Washington, said on Wednesday. "We have one that's very active, and it still rumbles and spits and coughs very frequently."

"Instead of monitoring volcanoes, what Congress should be monitoring is the eruption of spending in Washington," Jindal said.

The volcano killed 57 people when it erupted in 1980 and sputters back into action periodically, most recently in late 2004 and early 2005, when it sent plumes of steam and ash thousands of feet into the air.

USGS researchers are also keeping a close eye on Alaska's Mount Redoubt volcano, about 100 miles from Anchorage, which is predicted to go off again within a few months. Its last eruption, in 1989, disrupted air traffic and forced down a commercial jet that sucked ash into its engines.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/POLITICS/02/25/jindal.volcanoes/index.html

What a joke... This guy would really keep people safe as president huh OSG?

Reminds me of Palin's dumbass comment about the fruit fly research.

OH GOD!!! LOL

After offering-up the latest GOP lie that $8 billion of the stimulus was line-itemed for "a ‘magnetic levitation’ line from Las Vegas to Disneyland" in last night's widely-panned speech, you'll never guess where Gov. Bobby Jindal (R-LA) travels today:

After giving one of the biggest speeches in his time as a politician, Gov. Bobby Jindal is heading to Disney World.

Jindal's office says the governor and his family leave for the Orlando vacation resort today.

A perfect punctuation mark to the idiocy of last night's GOP response.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/mark-nickolas/after-lying-about-high-sp_b_169892.html

Hey buyza long time no see. Not everyone can be as savvy as you and make money from buying and selling eq accounts (like mine). Some people have to mooch off the government and the tax payers to get a paycheck.

Hey buyza long time no see. Not everyone can be as savvy as you and make money from buying and selling eq accounts (like mine). Some people have to mooch off the government and the tax payers to get a paycheck.

Yah we call it welfare and legislative pork. However I don't know if serving in the military is the same thing...

Yah your account was pretty nice for the time :D

I was watching redeye (best news show ever) and "TV's Andy Levy" was talking about the Chris Matthews "oh god" and he brought new perception to the situation. Maybe he was just "finishing" after Obama's speech? Makes you wonder...

Is wall street and big banking no longer the shining beacon of repulican capitalism? Have they already disowned it? Fanny you are embarrasing yourself. You boy Bush and his crew burned the house down, they had a chance to fix it, but managed to make a creater under the house too. Stop being a monday qb and let someone else take a stab at it. You are a military guy, your pay comes from taxpayer money. Hypocrite much?

Yes because I clearly said all govt is evil. Reading comp 101, take it or better yet try to clep out since you're clearly such a savant!!

I serve as a USAF civilian, my job is doing something that is needed so that dumbasses such as yourself can pipe up with nothing meaningful.

Now toddle off and fuck up someone elses day. Thanks child!!

Hey buyza long time no see. Not everyone can be as savvy as you and make money from buying and selling eq accounts (like mine). Some people have to mooch off the government and the tax payers to get a paycheck.

And some , like you, ask what the country can do for you and do absolutely nothing to do for your country.

Worthless bastard...

Originally Posted by PheloniusRM http://ayonae.com/images/buttons/viewpost.gif (http://ayonae.com/showthread.php?p=162862#post162862)
You are a military guy, your pay comes from taxpayer money. Hypocrite much?



Well Fanny...you have to remember his business hero is a 21 year old kid who made money illegally.

Well Fanny...you have to remember his business hero is a 21 year old kid who made money illegally.

Phel sold his toon to Weolf if I recall after some tiff with another EW guild mate.

Been too long, can barely remember him as other than a constant complainer.

You know, it's a funny thing. The other night I was playing WoW and some guy came on and he seemed a bit excited, he was asking questions about certain things that he said had changed in the game etc... he said he hadn't played in about 2 years. It turns out he just got back from Afghanistan and there were actually quite a few "kids" in the game who were actually calling him stupid for serving in the military. I don't get it...what's with this?

Our military sadly has a big PR problem. Desert Storm was fairly positive, and after 9/11 there was a huge wave of enlistment, but the Iraq War fucked all of that up. Enlistment has dropped staggeringly to the point the military has had to rewrite their rules (convicted felons, lower test scores, etc) and spent a lot of time almost poaching in lower class neighborhoods looking for people who really didn't have many other choices outside of burger flipping. Add to that all the various issues we've seen with Iraq Vets having higher suicide rates, visible disability rates, Abu Gharib (spelling?), and other anecdotal drama of the returning military reintegrating into society. The troops themselves are stuck with the stigma of the war and the feeling that they signed up because they weren't capable to do anything else (a false mentality in my eyes).

One of the companies I work for regularly has been cranking out a number of videos addressing this very issue for the DoD (my boss there just got back from a week of shooting at some base in Georgia), and we have to hope that with a new Commander in Chief hopefully the public oppinion will begin to shift back (and G.I. Joe can't hurt)

Wow, Rover, that's pretty sad.

I make no bones about it: I joined the Army because, like Richard Gere in An Officer and a Gentleman, I had nowhere else to go.

I was 19 years old, and the only skill I possessed was a high aptitude in mechanical reasoning. So the Army turned me into a helicopter mechanic. It also instilled discipline, duty, and character; some things I was sadly lacking.

I still highly recommend military service, espically to my son. Sadly, his perception is everyone in the service gets killed, and has no desire to go in.

Our military sadly has a big PR problem.


Our military is doing PR fine, what they have a problem with is being mailed off to Pakiraturstan to do anything most people seriously consider worthwhile and being a huge financial black hole in the process. It's been obvious who's interests people are putting their lives down for .. and it's not their own communities.

I work with these guys everyday and they all show a high degree of motivation and pride.

I do get a bit defensive when fools like Phel draw false lines and dare to call all Govt workers lazy(etc,etc) simply because I dared to call our elected (key word there Phel, do try to look it up) crooks.....well crooks.

The jobs we elect folks to are rife with corruption. Why you might ask? Because we helped create those positions that attract those that are looking to abuse the system for their own good instead of looking out for our interests.

Well Fanny...you have to remember his business hero is a 21 year old kid who made money illegally.

umm did you not read my post? You try so hard to attack me, lol. Unfortunately since you confuse my posts with phel's it doesn't work :(

Please take your lithium.

Phel sold his toon to Weolf if I recall after some tiff with another EW guild mate.

Been too long, can barely remember him as other than a constant complainer.

Good to see it wasn't any different regardless of what guild he was in.

Jindal has a future, but it isnt in 2012.

They gave him a shot and he put up an airball. Doesnt matter.. Thune is the GOPs best possible candidate.

Anywho.

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BTW.
http://www.rockymountainnews.com/news/2009/feb/25/gop-lawmakers-comments-hiv-promiscuity-cause-uproa/

WTF is happening to the GOP? Seriously Osg... wtf

You linked the Rocky Mountain News...which sadly after Friday will be no more :(

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/26/rocky-mountain-news-last_n_170291.html

Turns out the story Jindal told about being in the sheriffs office while they were trying to rescue stranded hurricane survivors is not true. It never happened...lol...this guy is a train wreck.

Turns out the story Jindal told about being in the sheriffs office while they were trying to rescue stranded hurricane survivors is not true. It never happened...lol...this guy is a train wreck.

this sure is a surprise after the shit the republicans pulled in the last election.

Turns out the story Jindal told about being in the sheriffs office while they were trying to rescue stranded hurricane survivors is not true. It never happened...lol...this guy is a train wreck.


I was curious about the story as soon as he had the Sheriff calling him Congressman Jindal.

To Fandros with love...

Sixty-seven percent of Americans surveyed Wednesday through Friday said they approve of the job that Obama is doing as president, according to the findings of the Gallup Poll.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/02/28/obama-gets-his-post-speec_n_170757.html

http://www.gallup.com/poll/116224/Obama-Approval-Rating-Increases.aspx

Hmmmm...I just read 69% on another poll

Maybe that positive reinforcement will get Obama to cut down on the gloom.

Maybe that positive reinforcement will get Obama to cut down on the gloom.

Why do that? If he fucks up, he can just say he tried but "bush" gave him a prepackaged depression. Or, he fixes shit and then says how he did the impossible. Either way it's win win.

Why do that? If he fucks up, he can just say he tried but "bush" gave him a prepackaged depression. Or, he fixes shit and then says how he did the impossible. Either way it's win win.


I am waiting for his stimulus plan to show some sign of a positive outcome only to have the Gingrich crowd start crowing how it was the Bush bailout plan that actually was responsible, after having thrown Bush under the bus.