HIS SONS ARE DEAD, DING DONG THE WICKED SONS ARE DEAD!!!!!!!! DIE YOU COCK SUCKING CUM GUZZLING PIECES OF SCUM! I HOPE YOU DIED A SLOW AND HORRIBLE DEATH!

P.S. WTG 101st =D

www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/me...l:rolleyes (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/07/22/sprj.irq.sons/index.html:rolleyes )

Fucking OWNED.

We need to hang the bodies out in the city like they did to Mousslini, so that the people can defile them.

Yes, that would be very humane wouldn't it you twat?
Though I guess I am speaking to a country who executes criminals.
So, forget that.

Yea Uday and Qusay brothers were SUCH humanitarians themselves weren't they?

Maybe you and the rest of the LOTJ faries LIKED having the tire iron up your asses in the torture chambers, but I'm pretty sure the rest of the Iraqi citizens didn't.

Piss off lil bitch.

*edit* removed sig

Too bad we cant get the dad. I dont give a fuck about them sons of his. Why isn't he dead yet?

Though I guess I am speaking to a country who executes criminals.Stand back everyone, Halo is addressing the nation!

Oh yeah, I definetly don't see this ending well. Heh heh.

And Nosegoblyn, the sons were actually just as horrid as the dad, just not anywhere near as prominent.

Execute 'em, fine. But make it quick and clean.

//Kiv

Nothing quicker and cleaner than a Anti Tank missle through the abdomen

I'm gonna hafta second L2's nomination on this one.

Rapists, murderers, and torturers remains should be treated with respect!

Halo is a fug nuckin moron.

Rapists, murderers, and torturers remains should be treated with respect!

Yet what most describe that they want done to them is just that, torture, doesn't that make you the same?

I can't say like Saddams sons, and I certainly don't like the man himself but there are things that are just purely hypocritical...

//Izola

Halo The terrorists dont care about us! Don't defend them! I live in Ny and i was in school at the time of the attack on the WTC... i heard the planes flying above my school while i was in class early that morning several minutes before the attack. I was in a computer/Audio-video classroom that morning and my friends and we were the first people to see the pictures and the news on websites and Tele's... then screaming down the halls in terror informing all of our classmates, there is nothing more scarier like a rioting bunch of highschoolers crying and all on cell phones worried that their parents were dead.

Agreed, Sadam's sons were equal to their father when it came to cruelty and alike - but does that mean people must lower themselves on their level?

Execute 'em, fine. But make it quick and clean.
Couldn't have said it better.

Agreed, Sadam's sons were equal to their father when it came to cruelty and alike - but does that mean people must lower themselves on their level?
And this completes the statement.

Wishes of cruelty, suffer, pain and so on is nothing else but your need of revenge. This "we went through painful things at 911 and now we want to have revenge, on someone, no matter whether its the right person, but we want to taste the sweet flavor of revenge" feeling. I understand it. But you gotta consider that as Shosa said, this is nothing eles but lowering yourself on their level. Its not very human...
If you claim to be something better and being human and fair and what not.. then stick to it.
And I couldn't care less whether they are dead or not, as long as they never again get any form of power.

This is perhaps the first and only time ever I'll agree with Taino.

Doesn't mean I'm not gonna entertain fantasies of tying them to train tracks and dropping a 747 on them.

have eyebrows over here fuck them in ass for torture, then execute them

Wishes of cruelty, suffer, pain and so on is nothing else but your need of revenge...........Its not very human

I disagree, I think this reaction is very much human. It is part of our violent nature. However, your point is that it is not the right thing to do. I agree with that.

Yes, I agree with you, I used bad wording.
I meant human as in the way "human" is being used in "humanity", being friendly, peaceloving, tgreatning people with respect blabla. :)

'but does that mean people must lower themselves on their level? '

- And this, sadly, is what most people who post here will not allow themselves to understand. Why? Dunno. Too hateful, too ignorant, too stupid.
Someone lays down this kind of statement and all of a sudden you're 'defending' them, or you're a 'terrorist lover'.
FUCK. You are so fucking ignorant.
You toss out statements like 'Let's hang 'em in the streets' - and sadly 100% mean it - and you just completely lowered yourself to their level. And that makes you no different.
I don't care if it's a 9 year old girl, if it's a 90 year old man, if it's Hitler, if it's a jew, if it's a rapist, if it's Saddam's two sons.
If you seek some sort of satisfation in the notion of hanging a human being in the street - you're one twisted mother fucker. Even more so than these terrorists, because you live in a society that should know better.

'Maybe you and the rest of the LOTJ faries '

- Hi, 41 paladin are you?

Hi, 41 paladin are you?

Hi. I give a shit. Really.

Also note that I said BODIES to be hung out in the street. This is assuming they are already dead.

Back to your little game.

Also note that I said BODIES to be hung out in the street. This is assuming they are already dead.
Thats what I thought actually. Still doesn't make it any better :)

'Also note that I said BODIES to be hung out in the street. This is assuming they are already dead.'

- HOLY SHIT!
Hahaha, I had you all wrong.
I thought you meant them being alive.. fuck, I'm really sorry I thought of you as some sicko.
Whew, corpses hanging from the streets. That's a LOT better.
And to think I called you barbaric, haha. Doh!

http://www.e46fanatics.com/forum/images/smilies/jack.gif

Yup, he said bodies. I could care less who pisses on, kicks, decapatates, or sets fire to those fucking low lifes corpses. After what they did in life, the last thing they deserve is a respectful burial.
When Escobar was finally killed the cops lifted him up by the hair and took pictures with his body :) I wish the citizens of Iraq could get the same amount of satisfaction.

Yes, wanking that hard will turn you green.

Sadly enough, in all this, I agree with Taino and Halo. Sure as shit, Saddam and his assbag sons were sadistic scoundrels. Would it be nice to see them endure some retribution for the things they have done? Yes it would, but hanging your enemy's bodies in the streets, dragging them around, urinating on them, and otherwise desecrating them sounds like something <gasp!> a sadistic scoundrel would do. If you use the tactics your enemy employs, AND their tactics is supposedly one of the main reasons they have become your enemy, you have totally lost your integrity.

This whole thing makes me sick sometimes. Yes, I want to see justice brought to Saddam and his sons and I don't think I need to list the reasons why. But have some of you caught the newscasts about Uday and Qusay being dead? You would have thought America won the gold in hockey again or something. I, for one, don't think that successfully killing off two foriegn leaders is something to celebrate so much. Apprehending them would warrant that, but not death. Sure, I am glad they are out of the picture, and the world most likely is better off with them dead. I guess you can chalk another one up for "necessary evil," if there is such a thing.

Did you listen to the news conference this morning? It was pretty to tell what reporters thought of the war effort. I really don't know how people deal with the media without shooting them.

When Escobar was finally killed the cops lifted him up by the hair and took pictures with his body

Still doesnt make it right. Making a big ordeal out of it is probably the worst thing you can do. Turn them to dust with out even the slightest bit of acknowledgement who they were and move on.


Ibudin

All I am saying is who the hell cares what happens to the bodies. Escobar, like the Hussiens, taunted his would be captors for years.
Obviously when the cops finally got his ass they were ecstatic! Here were are with the body of a man who got away with every crime in the book for years on end and never had to pay for it because he owned Columbia. Why shouldn't they be happy about him being dead? Why shouldn't we be happy about the fruit of Saddams loins being dead?
Both of them ordered and participated in murders, both of them actively participated in the torture of their people, and at least one of them walked around the campus of Baghdad U kidnapping, raping, and then murdering young women!

FUCK 'EM!

Making a big ordeal out of it is probably the worst thing you can do.

No shit. Just what the armed forces over there need is a couple more martyrs.

Martyrs? Neh

Most likey Saddams plan was to lure our forces in deep, retreat into the shadows and kill a few people a day until public sentement in the US starts to turn.
By killing him and his sons, we give the people in Iraq the opportunity to live and rebuild, without the fear of Saddam and his sons comming back after we are gone and taking revenge.
Leaving them alive would make them more "martyr" like, considering the fanatic Baaths would still have somthing to cling too.
Not that I wouldn't like to see them captured and tried - but I don't mind seein them die either.

Screw them, the punishment should fit the crime.

They are dead.
You can't punish someone much more than that you idiot.

Yes, I want to see justice brought to Saddam and his sons and I don't think I need to list the reasons why.
Do you actually care for the Iraqi people and if so .. why?

Please do explain .. cause I am really interested.
And .. how much did you donate to help rebuild Iraq?

Goodness of mankind.
He pays taxes.

There you go.

Exactly Halo you geeb thats what i was getting at. Although i would have rather them staked out of ant piles while still alive but hey cant get everything you want, but dead is dead.
Im a barbarian and im proud of it. Im all for if you kill 2000 of ours we make your country a friggen parking lot, and make you pay to park there. I put my time in the Marines so i guess that makes me a crazy barbarian.

Im all for if you kill 2000 of ours we make your country a friggen parking lot, and make you pay to park there
Saddam or his sons didn't kill 2000's of yours .. I think that was someone from Saudi Arabia .. your allies.

I think that the Iraqi people would gain some type of closure being able to see their bodies strung up like the animals they were. So they could see that they were not invincible/untouchable, and that they are actually are dead.

Do you actually care for the Iraqi people and if so .. why?

Please do explain .. cause I am really interested.
And .. how much did you donate to help rebuild Iraq?

Do I care about the Iraqi people? In all honesty, not that much. However, I think the Hussein family's crimes against their fellow Iraqis speak for themselves. Yes, I believe that the Iraqi people are better off for not having them in power any longer. Yes, I still hold onto hope that a just and representative government will form in Iraq that will prevent from occurring again everything the innocents have had to endure because of Saddam. This includes militairy action against Iraq that most likely would not have occurred were there no Saddam, regardless of whether that militairy action was justified or not.

So to break it down: I care about the Iraqi people because we all happen to be a member of the human race. I believe they deserve every right to live their lives without being under the watchful eye of a cruel dictator and his cronies. Has Operation Iraqi Freedom accomplished that? Was it ever about that? Were there ever WoMD? I don't know, but this discussion is not about that and I wouldn't care to rehash it if it was.

p.s. - I should have just quoted Zehn and been done with it.

I think that was someone from Saudi Arabia .. your allies.

It's good that you're learning to use discreet facts to fit your current need for a post. One should continue to develop new skills. Please go into detail on the exact significance of the country they were born in. Hitler was born in Austria. Perhaps you can use that fact as a basis for a few posts blaming the United States for bombing the wrong country during WWII.

/yawn mirdorr .. irrelevant

'Saddam or his sons didn't kill 2000's of yours .. I think that was someone from Saudi Arabia .. your allies.'

- ROFL.
So fucking true.
You're all so full of hate you've lost fucking sight of WHO did WHAT. First it's Afganistan, then it's Iraq, who next, Wales? I hear they are evil bitches.

Hey Halo shouldn't u be raidin? :)

Until it is proven that Saddam does not support terrorist groups then he is just as guilty as Bin Laden.
You cannot stop a cancer if you only extract little pieces, you have to get EVERYTHING. But I am not going to help you hijack this thread with your monotonous "the US sucks" bullshit.

Saddams sons are dead! Huuurrraah!

Thing is you are allied to terrorists in Saudi Arabia .. so you wash your hands in the blood of the innocent. Kinda hypo... but hey .. I am just Eurotrash so who gives a fuck as long as you feel wonderfull about yourself the world is peachy.

'Until it is proven that Saddam does not support terrorist groups then he is just as guilty as Bin Laden.'

- What the.. so you or I are guilty of terrorist action until proven otherwise? That is possibly the most retarded thing I've heard in a long while.
I know you folks are running out of bullshit arguments, but christ, draw a line.

Halo who the hell are you to talk about running out of arguments? I have seen plenty of proof of Saddam giving money to support terrorists, and have yet to see any proof of him fighting against them. Until I see him doing somthing to stop terrorism than he is guilty of supporting it.
STFU and find somthing better to do. You havn't argued a valid point in god knows how many posts.

Thing is you are allied to terrorists in Saudi Arabia

I'm rather sure that we aren't actually allied with the terrorists, they just happen to be from Saudi Arabia. However, the Saudi royal family has had some shady dealings come to light which may implicate them with terrorist groups.

"I have seen plenty of proof of Saddam giving money to support terrorists, and have yet to see any proof of him fighting against them."

No link whatsoever has been found between the Iraqui government and any Islamic militant group. Sadam did express his support for Palestinian independence and groups fighting towards it on several occassions, but this has always been widely seen as a ploy to shore up support both home and abroad, the Palestinian cause been extremely popular almost everywhere (with the exception of the USA and of course Israel).

To suggest that the Baathists or Saddam himself would ever support or assist in any way Bin Laden's organisation is plain absurd.

Bin Laden is an islamist, whose dream is the overtrown of all the strongmen and puppet dictators who populate the arab world and the creation of a united muslim nation, that would extend from Morocco to Malasya.

Saddam in the other hand has spent the past few decades torturing, opressing and fighting islamist both home (plenty of them lie in the now famous mass graves) and abroad, where he fought a war against Iran in order to stop the islamic revolution of the Allatollah Khomeini from spreading.

When asked about his opinion on Saddam, all Bin Laden had to say is "he is an atheist heathen".

Knowing now that there werent any so called WMD in Iraq, and that the current American administration was most probably aware of it, one is left to ponder on the reasons they might have had to overtrow the Baathist government. I can find no rational explanation.

Didn't Saddam come out an publicly announce payment to any family of a suicide bomber? If he was supporting the Palestinians who blew themselves up along with innocent civilians then he sure as hell is supporting terrorists.

www.cbsnews.com/stories/2...5316.shtml (http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2002/04/03/world/main505316.shtml)

Weather or not Bin Laden and Saddam like each other is irrelevant. As a matter of fact, I don't ever remember making a direct connection between the two in this thread.

This is the part of the show where I get to show people how wrong they are.. I love this part.



No link whatsoever has been found between the Iraqui government and any Islamic militant group. Sadam did express his support for Palestinian independence and groups fighting towards it on several occassions, but this has always been widely seen as a ploy to shore up support both home and abroad, the Palestinian cause been extremely popular almost everywhere (with the exception of the USA and of course Israel).
eeeeepppppp wrong Sunshine.

Daniel Benjamin is a senior fellow at the Center for Strategic and International Studies and co-author of The Age of Sacred Terror. He was director for counterterrorism on the National Security Council staff 1998-1999. Edward Jay Epstein received his Ph.D at Harvard in government, taught at MIT and is the author of 12 books, including News From Nowhere.


From: Edward Jay Epstein
To: Daniel Benjamin
Subject: Saddam and Osama
Monday, March 31, 2003, at 8:59 AM PT

Let me make the case that the government of Iraq has been involved in state-sponsored terrorism, as it is defined by the U.S. government, for over a decade. As director of counterterrorism for the National Security Council in the Clinton administration, you know that Secretary of State Albright had good reason for including Iraq among the seven countries designated as state sponsors of international terrorism in 2000.

Iraq, through its intelligence service, has attempted to sponsor or facilitate a number of covert attacks against U.S. interests. There were, for example, Iraq's sponsorship of a car-bombing attempt in 1993 to assassinate former President Bush in Kuwait City, Iraq's sponsorship in 1998 of the attempted recruitment of car bombers to destroy the headquarters building of Radio Free Europe in Wenceslas Square in the historic center of Prague, and Iraq's provision of fake identity papers and safe haven to two of the key figures in the 1993 truck bombing of the World Trade Center in New York.

Since one purpose of covert sponsorship of terrorism is to remain hidden, there may have been other Iraq operations that better succeeded in concealing their sponsorship. Let's consider Iraq's relationship with al-Qaida. In your excellent book The Age of Sacred Terrorism (which should be required reading on 9/11), you report that Osama Bin Laden had contempt for Saddam and vice versa. OK, but even if they are ideological enemies, didn't U.S. (and U.N.) intelligence indicate that Saddam's scientists provided the technology for the VX chemical weapons facility for which Osama supplied the funds in the Sudan? Why wouldn't Saddam similarly use Osama's al-Qaida as cover to conceal his own covert actions? Or Osama use Saddam's embassy bases to facilitate his own operations? I submit expediency, not affinity, often governs such temporary alliances.

It is in this context that the Czech intelligence report of a meeting between an Iraq embassy official and an al-Qaida trained hijacker must be viewed. This report asserts that Mohamed Atta, who had previously visited Prague in June 2000, met with Iraq consul Ahmad Khalil Ibrahim Samir al-Ani at an undisclosed location in Prague in April 2001. Subsequently, on April 22, Hynek Kmonicek, who was then deputy foreign minister of the Czech Republic, ordered al-Ani expelled from Prague. According to Kmonicek, who is now the ambassador to the United Nations in New York, "the Czech government collected detailed evidence of the al-Ani/Atta meeting." The other Czech officials directly involved in this unprecedented expulsion, namely Czech Prime Minister Milos Zeman, Foreign Minister Jan Kavan, Interior Minister Stanislav Gross, and intelligence chief Jiri Ruzek, have all confirmed receiving the report of this meeting.

Lets go after another one of your misconceptions.
To suggest that the Baathists or Saddam himself would ever support or assist in any way Bin Laden's organisation is plain absurd.
"the Enemy of my Enemy is my Friend." Ever hear that quote?
Ya know something else? Nobody expected Nazi Germany and Stalinist Russia to sign a non agression pact and invade and split up Eastern Europe.. but ya know what.. Despite being "Ideological" enemies... they did it.
Reality, realpolitik and necessity will win over ideology every fucking day of the week.. and twice on sunday.

Saddam in the other hand has spent the past few decades torturing, opressing and fighting islamist both home (plenty of them lie in the now famous mass graves) and abroad, where he fought a war against Iran in order to stop the islamic revolution of the Allatollah Khomeini from spreading.

No... Saddam attacked because he thought they were vulnerable.

When asked about his opinion on Saddam, all Bin Laden had to say is "he is an atheist heathen".
interestingly enough.. Bin Laden says that about pretty much everyone,... He once sent a Fathers Day card back home that read "I love you Dad... you Heathen Pig"
But seriously.. compared to what Bin Laden says about western leaders and his viewpoint.. thats a veritable endorsement from Saddam.


Knowing now that there werent any so called WMD in Iraq, and that the current American administration was most probably aware of it, one is left to ponder on the reasons they might have had to overtrow the Baathist government. I can find no rational explanation.
You HONESTLY think that there were never any WMD in Iraq?
Its 11:00 now.. and im getting ready to go to bed.. (im old) but Ill tell you what.. triple dog dare me and post an assload of rational explainations and reasons for the invasion.. Or.. you can save me the trouble and do the thinking for yourself.

Knowing now that there werent any so called WMD in Iraq
You HONESTLY think that there were never any WMD in Iraq?
No she said there weren't any WomD in iraq at the time Iraq got atacked this year. Which has yet to be proven wrong. And I still expect Bush to prove this statement wrong, because lets forget al the excuses and shit.. Bush said there were WomD in Iraq, no matter what and that there is proof.

Everyone deserves a proper burial. :( That's all I really have to say, anything else would get lost in this blender of bullshit that these boards are, usually.

Hitler was born in Austria. Perhaps you can use that fact as a basis for a few posts blaming the United States for bombing the wrong country during WWII.

Mhm, If I understood you right, you mean the US should have bombed Austria instead of Germany. Well, sorry, but the US did bomb Austria. Large parts of Vienna (capital of Austria) were totaly destroyed and had to be rebuild from scratch. Two weeks ago a remaining bomb from WWII bombardments were found in Salzburg (Mozart was born there, remember?) and 2 people were killed while disarming it. The trigger was build that way, if the bomb gets disarmed, it explodes 2 hours later anyway.

As a side note, Hitler was in Sanatory for mental insane people here in Austria as he tried to spread his ideologies in Vienna. The rest of the story you should know.

Have a nice day, Mirdorr.

/hijack off

Large parts of Vienna (capital of Austria) were totaly destroyed and had to be rebuild from scratch. Two weeks ago a remaining bomb from WWII bombardments were found in Salzburg (Mozart was born there, remember?) and 2 people were killed while disarming it. The trigger was build that way, if the bomb gets disarmed, it explodes 2 hours later anyway.


Well Shosa.. thats just the way life is... the Sons pay for the Sins of the Fathers. Is fair? No.. its just the way it is, always has been, and always will be.

www.waikato.ac.nz/wfass/s...crimes.htm (http://www.waikato.ac.nz/wfass/subjects/history/waimilhist/1999/warcrimes.htm)

Thing is Mirdorr was talking out of his ass .. that's all Shosa kinda explained there.

Yep, I had in no way in mind to complain about the fact that Austria got bombed, L2. I just wanted to tell Mirdorr the things he didn't seem to know. Not more, not less.

In regards to being allied to terrorists in Saudi Arabia, that is horse shit. Unless you are sure that every Saudi is a terrorist, that is. The unfortunate part about all this is that terrorists have no nationality in the sense that say assaulting one particular country will put an end to it. Plus, terrorists don't go out in the open waving a terrorist logo flag saying here we are. Is the way the U.S. approaching the problem the best way, the only way, the quickest way? Hell, I don't know. It seems the only way to really know who they all are and where they all are is to capture their leader and suck his brain dry. Which I don't think is going to happen in anything short of a science fiction novel.

I guess this opens up a whole other can of worms about the best way to combat terrorism. I am hoping that steps to stop people from becoming terrorists are being taken as a part of the Middle East Peace Plan, since stopping it before it starts seems to be the only true solution. Then, I don't know that terrorism will ever truely be abolished anyway. As long as there are pissed off people with guns and a bit of organization, there were always be terrorism. Ahh, the humanity of it all.

'its just the way it is, always has been, and always will be.'

- /cringe
God that is so ignorant.

Mhm, If I understood you right, you mean the US should have bombed Austria instead of Germany. Well, sorry, but the US did bomb Austria

Wow. I'd never have guessed that. Really? But I think you'd have to agree that Germany got the worst part of it.

Yes, I was talking out of my ass. Der. Try to pick up on the sarcasm, Ytrok.

LL's point was valid. Sure Austria was bombed. So was France and every other occupied country. His point was that it was not the nation/government of Austria that was punished, it was German-annexed Austria that was attacked. All the German occupied countries were bombed in the course of the war as part of fighting the nazis. The point is the allies were not fighting to crush the evil Austrian empire, or France, or Belgium, or Norway, etc. they were fighting nazi Germany.They were fighting the base of Hitler's power.

A leader's birthplace is not the target....his source of power is the target. They are not always the same. That is his point. If you somehow think the Austrians as a nation were the true instigators of WWII, then I guess we have a fundamental disagreement of history.

Correction to above..it was Mirdor's point.

All this being said, I am glad that Sadaam's boys are no longer a threat to anybody. I have no desire to see bodies dragged around and desecrated though. I would much rather all the energy spent rejoicing at their downfall be redirected to finding and getting rid of Sadaam himself.

.. I am just Eurotrash so who gives a fuck as long as you feel wonderfull about yourself the world is peachy.

Wurd!

'its just the way it is, always has been, and always will be.'

- /cringe
God that is so ignorant.

please explain how..
please.. for the love of god.. at least TRY to make something with a vague resemblance of a point.
I know in that past every single arguement you have ever tried to put forth has been absolutly and totally destroyed.. but maybe this time is different.
And I know the repeated humilations you have suffered from showing your complete lack of ability to participate in a debate has forced you to stop trying and merely throw out lame ass weak as shit 1 liners.

Personally.. I have never seen evidence of you showing anything more than sub average intelligence.
Your posts have NO style.. its just the copied and reguritated and weaked imitation of people who have ripped you apart for the last 3 years.

I dont know why I even bothered asking you to make a coherant point.. your not capable of it.
Your not even capable of understanding the VERY simple point I was trying to make.. Nevermind taking the leap and coming up with one of your own.

But who am I too judge or try to impune your happiness.. as long as your content to be backstoking in the shallow end of the gene pool.. maybe its best to just let you quietly drool on yourself.

I anxiously await your reply that has less words than you have teeth.

Words hurt like a fist :(

How was that fuck face?

If thats the case.. then (http://www.moviequotequiz.com/othersounds/KnockedTheFuckOut.wav)

Was I just owned? 0.o

wow Lleauaric :o

I don't know who or what you are, but I guess you are an American and in view of your opinions and the strenght of your dogmatism, coupled with your insane anti-Europeanism and your obsession with WW2, my guess is that you are probably of Jewish faith? correct me if I am wrong, although I guess there is no need to ask for that, since you would do that of your own accord ayway, won't you? .

There is no point in having an argument with you, since you are obviously a strongly dogmatic individual. You form an opinion based on your perception of the situation and then proceed to find information or "facts" that will support that same view.

Not even the smartest most intelligent person in this planet could possibly hope to be right all of the time, not even you.

Your posts in this thread are distasteful and overflowed with arrogance, and your tirade against Haloface was specially uncalled for.

By the way, I dont think any judge or jury (well, maybe in Texas they would), would accept a letter from the CSIS as proof. The letter itself being full of long discredited or merely circumstancial information.
CSIS is a well known neo-con think-tank to which many members of the current and past republican administrations do or have belonged, and has a vested interest in the matter.

Nope.
Not Jewish.. Italian actually.. but how does being Dogmatic relate to being jewish? Do you think Dogmatism is a "sign" of jewishness, like a hook nose or love of money?
Amazing... lovely sterotyping ya got there. I guess you got them jews all figured out.

insane anti-Europeanism
Im not anti european at all.. Im anti socialism. But judging by the Che icon next to your name... you probably cant tell the difference.
"Along the way, I had the opportunity to pass through the dominions of the United Fruit, convincing me once again of just how terrible these capitalist octopuses are. I have sworn before a picture of the old and mourned comrade Stalin that I won’t rest until I see these capitalist octopuses annihilated."
A quote from your hero..
Yay for Stalin!!!


Not even the smartest most intelligent person in this planet could possibly hope to be right all of the time, not even you.
Smart people dont fight battles they cant win.. I dont enter discussions unless I know the logical outcome of them..
"The victorious strategist only seeks battle after the victory has been won, whereas he who is destined to defeat first fights and afterwards looks"

So yes.. Im right every single time I post.. Thats beauty of the internet.. I can pick my battles, I certainly am wrong as much as anyone else.. and I have my weaknesses... but youll never see em.

Your posts in this thread are distasteful and overflowed with arrogance, and your tirade against Haloface was specially uncalled for.
You have no idea about me and Halos history on these boards. You have no fucking clue was is warrented and what isnt, so kindly touch your ear to your asshole and blow.

By the way, I dont think any judge or jury (well, maybe in Texas they would), would accept a letter from the CSIS as proof. The letter itself being full of long discredited or merely circumstancial information.
CSIS is a well known neo-con think-tank to which many members of the current and past republican administrations do or have belonged, and has a vested interest in the matter.
Right...
so because hes a republican hes a liar?
How about this twinkletoes..
SHOW me where he lied.
He was referencing events that happened and there is undisputable proof of their occuring..
Or prove me wrong.. If not shut the fuck up.

Look at you post.. like your ideology.. there is nothing there of substance..
False assumptions.
Empty assertions.
and a total and complete denial of reality..

Oh.. and having a "obession" with WW2??
Asshole.. what are we talking about here? Politics and History.. Ya think that the biggest event in the last 2000 years has "a little" impact on the course of events in the 20th century? Maybe?

Im glad you got to use your word of the day, dogmatic, twice in a post!! Yay for you! I have no idea why else you would post as you have nothing to say.

L2 hasn't shown any Euro hate from what I have read in this thread - only disgust towards Halo and his dipshit little quips.
Its extremely hard to respect someone when they never give you any reason too.
Halo please try to change my perception of the war in Iraq! Give me a reason to consider your posts worth reading.

Yes, I was talking out of my ass. Der. Try to pick up on the sarcasm, Ytrok.

I am not Ytrok, but since you quoted my post, I don't care much either. Nope, where thousands and tenthousands of people died, sarcasms is in the wrong place - or would you tolerate sarcasm about 9/11?

When I read in the papers that Saddam's sons were dead, I felt conflicting emotions-- some pride and some shame. However, when I listened to the media begin to talk about it, and heard their accounts of why the one son was harder to identify (he had been shot in the teeth which made dental records hard to use to identify), I just winced.

I guess I am sort of hypocritical. I wasn't really sad that they had been killed. I doubt that Saddam or his sons showed sympathy to their victims. I really doubt they stopped before torture got too difficult to endure and said softly, "oh my... you are suffering. Let me end this quickly." But I still had a hard time hearing the details of their deaths.

No, I don't think we should run around lauding their deaths, parading through the streets with their heads on a pike so that the corpses can be desecrated. Traditionally throughout our histories, though, this is how war plays out - not just in the United States, but in Europe and Asia as well!

I think it is rather human to have such strong feelings about such a horrible event as 9/11, or to be full of vengeful feelings when your wife and children were some of those tortured, maimed and finally murdered.

Doesn't make it right. But it is rather duplicitous to point a finger and say 'barbarian!' when your other three fingers are pointing back to yourself.

'and your tirade against Haloface was specially uncalled for'

- *bottom lip trembles* it's true.. they're so mean :(

'You have no idea about me and Halos history on these boards'

- T'is true too. Me and LL have a *special* relationship. Like a duck and, err, another duck.

'only disgust towards Halo and his dipshit little quips.'

- A fan!

'Halo please try to change my perception of the war in Iraq! Give me a reason to consider your posts worth reading. '

- The cute little one liners?!

Someone else reply to me. I've got all these one liners brewing in my hot little body. Can't touch this na na na na, na na na, can't touch this, na na na na!

I am not Ytrok, but since you quoted my post, I don't care much either.

Oftentimes carriage returns, paragraphs, etc. denote a small change of subject or meaning. The first paragraph was in direct reply to your post.

The second line (a new paragraph), was directed at Ytrok - hence the use of his name.

No, I don't think we should run around lauding their deaths, parading through the streets with their heads on a pike so that the corpses can be desecrated.

It has been US policy for a very long time not to release close up, graphic images of slain enemies to the media. Not going to say it never happened, though.

Showing the pictures of the dead to the Iraqis was a departure from our standard operating procedure. The bodies were given some treatment by morticians to repair some of the damage (and in the pictures I saw, only one side of the face was photographed). Then they were released to the media. The bodies are also being held for relatives to pick up (if they desire).

I'm not sure the entire thing was needed, really, but it seems some small measure of respect was given to the bodies. This is more than I've seen given to some dead US troops in other places.

crawl much Mirdorr?

And the Iraqi's don't owe the US military anything .. it was their country you destroyed .. remember?

Ytrok, sorry to drag you into this (since English is not your primary language and you use it quite well), but I've started a crusade:
And the Iraqi's don't owe

No apostrophe. The apostrophe is only used to denote ownership, not to denote a plural.

You could say, for Example:

Many Iraqis are using rocket propelled grenades to kill US troops because you destroyed their country!

or you could say:

An Iraqi's brother was savagely murdered by US troops.

here is where it gets tricky the use a plural possesive:

The Iraqis' government is in shambles because the US are clueless about how to make peace- they can only make war and will reap what they sow.

edit to the above:
The apostrophe is only used to denote ownership, not to denote a plural
should read:
commonly used instead of only used.

eh .. ok .. I guess :)

Halo. You do know you can string sentences together in a series by seperating them with periods into a formation called "paragraphs" right? You can even use multiple sentences without quoting someone in between! I know it sounds crazy, but it's true!

Haloface quote of above post followed by one-liner incoming in 10...9....8....7........

'I know it sounds crazy, but it's true!'

- You sir, are crazy.

I don't agree with our government allowing the bodies to be photographed and, in essence, paraded for the media. I understand the reasoning behind doing so, but in this case I don't believe the end is justified by the means. They deserved death, I'd have killed them myself if I could. I'm embarassed that we allowed this to be done though.

If they hadn't done this then there would be a lot of speculations still circulating about wether or not they were dead. Without visual proof many of you would be posting about how the US is just lying again and shit like that.
Still having problems figuring out why some people are 'cringing' or 'embarrassed' by our treatment of this situation. I would be upset too if these were normal people, but these two sacks of shit weren't even human. I feel no compassion for them at all, and it saddens me to think that some of you might.
Too many people are just out of touch with reality to realize that they got what was coming to them, and if there is a hell, they will be getting it for eternity.

What crap,

Plainly the people of Iraq needed to know they are really dead.

Well Saddam put out an audio tape where he admits the death of his sons, so we didnt need to show the bodies. However, now that Saddam admits they're dead, I begin to think perhaps they are not.

I'd rather piss on their ashes than dance on their graves.

Well Saddam put out an audio tape where he admits the death of his sons, so we didnt need to show the bodies. However, now that Saddam admits they're dead, I begin to think perhaps they are not.

Hindsight is always 20-20. I'm sure the photos wouldn't be released if the government knew Saddam would have confirmed it himself.

I am rather sure that Saddam's sons are dead considering that the purpose of his video tape was to attempt to turn them into martyrs. In addition to this the US government has authorized payment of the 30 million dollars to the informant who told the military where Usay(sp?) and Qusay(sp?) were located. The informant is also, supposedly, a relative of Saddam's.

Alot of funny shit being said, however I think this gem:


What the.. so you or I are guilty of terrorist action until proven otherwise?


Takes the prize.

Coming from the guy who fanatically believes all Americans support the IRA ... that just made my day.

Im surprised we didn't see a newspaper with the headline "Uday and Qusay are Eday!!! :lol

Sorry if I cant amuse myself who would I amuse?!?!