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Passengers duct-tape troublesome passenger on Hawaii-to-LA flight
The Associated Press
Last Updated 3:51 a.m. PDT Monday, September 15, 2003
LOS ANGELES (AP) - A Texas man who disrupted a United Airlines flight from Hawaii was subdued with the help of passengers and duct tape, authorities said Sunday.
No one was reported injured, said Sgt. Carl Sansbury of the Los Angeles International Airport police.

Brian Kane Eager, 36, of Austin, was held for 72 hours to undergo a psychological examination, FBI Special Agent Matt McLaughlin said.

United Flight 54 left Honolulu for Los Angeles at about 8:50 p.m. Saturday. About 90 minutes after takeoff, the man got out of his seat and began talking and wandering the aisle, passenger Joseph Gugerty said.

"He was pacing and reading the Bible," said Gugerty who was returning to Kentucky, where he is chief of communications in The Associated Press' Louisville bureau.

"They let him wander back and forth in the plane until he started to move forward," Gugerty said. "Then they surrounded him and pushed him to the floor."

About a half-dozen passengers were involved, he said.

"He becomes agitated. A baby starts crying. He says he has to go help the baby and pushes his way past the flight attendant," McLaughlin said. "He was not trying to gain access to the flight deck."

Passengers and a federal immigration and customs agent who was traveling for personal reasons helped restrain the man but he managed to slip out of handcuffs, McLaughlin said.

The agent then used duct tape to restrain him, and the man was turned over to local police when the plane landed in Los Angeles at about 4:45 a.m., authorities said.

He could face a federal charge of interfering with a flight crew, Sansbury said.

You know, I'm not really sure why I don't carry duct tape everywhere with me. You just never know when you'll need it.

I have a couple rolls in my trunk.

We had to use it to restrain a drunken/violent friend of mine once.

I want to know where they got the duct tape? Friend of mine flew in from Texas and he had some tools with him on his carry-on. Nothing to dangerous (he put all his hand tools Ie' screwdrivers, wirecutters ect in luggage) mostly multi meters and electic tersting EQUIP but the 2 things they made him remove (he told them to throw them vs repac his baggage) was a long needlike Temp probe and a ROLL OF DUCT TAPE...

Go figure..

Nexx

Marz you are aware your sig exceeds the limits as stated in the rules. I believe that purposly breaking board rules again and again could result in a warning, however I am sure a mod can shine more light on that.

2) Signatures are allowed, but -must- be under 150 pixels high, 450 pixels wide and less then 50k in size.

Best as I can tell, his sig is 149x450 pixels and is 50,418 bytes.

So, maybe trim one or two pixels off the end there to get rid of that pesky 418 bytes :)

All I can say is: wow.

it's 451 wide, 1 pixel over the rules and he stated he purpously broke the rules.

Bleh, yeah, it's 451 wide :) Forgot that pesky '0' pixel when I checked the bottom right coordinate :)

Still: wow. For Marz for his 'rebellious nature' (I missed that post) and Ytrok for hijacking my (I think) interesting article to point it out.

It's not really about Marz but about the time Taino had a really nice sig that was just a little out of the rules and he was pressured to change it or get banned. I find it wierd that none of the mods have taken any action against Marz eventhough he is almost daily going against sig rules and is now even stating he does it purpously.

Oh well ...

I think Jensae's point is a good one...if you have a problem with the mods, or Marz and his sig....should have started a new post.

Anyways, back to the post...

Duct tape rules :')

Well, I can definitely sympathize with you there.. I despise 'sporadic enforcement'. Rules should apply to everyone or no one imo.

I just got huffy cause I dont post too often and was hoping for the decent non-flame discussion that I thought this had the potential for. But, there's not much flame potential for this subject, so it'll probably die pretty quickly. Meh.

Ah no one has flamed yet.

What I wonder is if anyone has even tried talking to the guy first before putting duct tape on his face :)

It's not really about Marz but about the time Taino had a really

No, it's actually about you and a personal issue you seem to have.

Hey it's my buttmonkey!

No, it's actually about you and a personal issue you seem to have

No Mirdorr it's about what I just wrote ..

/sigh oh well, might as well jump on the bandwagon. Only flames stay up top, so here goes:

You gun tot'in, flag salutin, jesus lovin, warmongering cowboy Americans sux0rs! You should all rot in .....

Wait a second... Dangit I'm American... well that sucks.

You pacifistic, disrespectful, athiestic, peace loving Euro's suck!


Shut up, I know I suck at flames.

(I'm bored at work.. give me somthin' to read.. the flag thread kinda petered out)

Just stay tuned the we hate Ytrok bandwagon will soon drive in with Mirdorr saluting and Marz holding the flag while Deaath tells me how I (or we cause it does not matter if you use any of the Euro's name, we all the same) suck ...

Then we get someone saying PWNED!!!! And we (Euro's) all go crying cause you (the bandwagon crew) are all so much cooler then us. (us as in we, not us as in USA!!! cause then we (or I) would use capitals)

:)

Sweet :D

Btw this reminds me of Mirdorr....

http://members.lycos.nl/tangaboy/hpbimg/029.jpg

ROFL, cute pic Ytrok

Certainly hope they did talk to him first. My guess is he was fairly incoherent...one "get back in your seat" ignorred is all the need to restrain him I Believe.

Its no fucking surprise that the moderators ignore your constant whining, Ytrok. Why you assume that they have the time, all hours of the day to read every thread that exists searching for minor infractions is beyond me. And further, you are SUPPOSED to use the contact administrator link if you have a problem (because they changed the rules when I pointed out that they used to say 'use contact admin link OR make a new thread', but I digress.)
Where was I? Oh yes. You suck Ytrok.

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

Interesting. People that don't agree with your views show hate but your constant insults to the U.S. aren't hate.

So... duct tape is good stuff.

People preaching to me on a 5 hour flight to Hawaii are more annoying than screeching babies...

Where does free speech end after the 'seat belt' sign is unlit? Doesnt he have the inherent right to preach on a plane?

Do normal American laws apply when an american plane is over international waters? Should it?

Should they have restrained him?

Should the FBI have the right to restrain someone for 72(!) hours for 'psychological assessment'?

etc., ad nauseum.

Screw it. Americans suc... DAMNIT, I'm bad at this.. EURO's suck11!!1one!

So... duct tape is good stuff.

It truly is :')

People preaching to me on a 5 hour flight to Hawaii are more annoying than screeching babies...

To close to call

Where does free speech end after the 'seat belt' sign is unlit? Doesnt he have the inherent right to preach on a plane?

Has nothing to do with free speah...has everything to do with disturbing the peace. He has the right, as long as he is not preaching in an inappropriate place...where people have no choice but listen to him.

Do normal American laws apply when an american plane is over international waters? Should it?

I don't believe they do...not lawyer but I believe it's run as if it were a ship at sea.

Should they have restrained him?

Hard to tell from story...depends on how disruptive he was being to other passengers.

Should the FBI have the right to restrain someone for 72(!) hours for 'psychological assessment'?

All has do with probable cause...the article is fairly vague as to what actually happened. But, no...they shouldn't have the right unless they can clearly show that he was a danger to himself or others if he was restrained.

Screw it. Americans suc... DAMNIT, I'm bad at this.. EURO's suck11!!1one!

ummm...ok? :')

If someone's sig is one pixel over I am not gonna go through all the effort to edit all their posts. If a sig is blatently over sized then it will come down until it is fixed.
If we dont nerf marz'z sig you cry.If we do nerf it we are Nazis.

As stated in a previous post .. thanks Selwen for making my point.

I'll cease to stop pointing out that you know someone breaks rules, you allow it and even admit you don't mind if someone breaks your little rule.

Thanks.

yeah since that 1 pixel totally mind fucks ytrok as he spins outta control into a retarded frenzy!

Ytrok, you're proving ONCE AGAIN that you are a complete and utter moron. His sig is over the limit by one.....fucking......pixel. WHO GIVES A FUCKING FLYING FRENCH MONKEY SHIT? Don't be so god damn gay all the time man, you know he's breaking the rule by one pixel to piss you off, and now you know that the mods hate your fucking constant whining so you get all pissy. I have a solution, never come spew the shit that comes from your mouth here again, cause no one here gives a rat's ass.

Blah blah blah blah.

Ytrok, you're proving ONCE AGAIN that you are a complete and utter moron. His sig is over the limit by one.....fucking......pixel. WHO GIVES A FUCKING FLYING FRENCH MONKEY SHIT?

Because sigs have been nerfed in the past even though they were "one.....fucking......pixel." Its called selective rule enforcement. Learn to read, ya stupid fuck.

Because sigs have been nerfed in the past even though they were "one.....fucking......pixel." Its called selective rule enforcement. Learn to read, ya stupid fuck.

Yep...

But now we know we don't have to follow the rules if we break em just a little ... I wonder where those limits are so I guess I am going to find em.

No one cares, honestly. Hopefully you'll go insane from the contradictory nature of the point you're trying to prove and commit suicide as a result.

Best Wishes~

Doubt I will commit suicide and well I assume you have had a suicide in your family and enjoyed it that you wish it to someone else ..

Anyway ...

Thanks for the best wishes :)

Ya know what. I'm beginning to hate Ralf more than almost anyone on these boards, but he's right.

There's a rule. Someone's breaking it just to be a cock. Either change the rule, or enforce it.

i say we let marz and ytrok Efight this one out, i got my 5 ebucks on marz.

I'll see your 5 ebucks and raise you 5 more ebucks. This is gonna be an eslugfest.

:lol

*Buys some popcorn* :evil

So, duct tape...
/sigh


Gotta agree. Enforce the rule, or get rid of it. It should definitely be enforced if it's being deliberately broken.

Just my humble opinion.