For the first time in 4 months I am seriously considering a return to EQ1. This patch just makes the game seem less fun to me :( For the masses that whined and whined about tskills, horses, and the econonmy I hope they are happy.

Post 2/17 economy = Communist China

I'm taking a break for a few days to see if I can bring myself to log in, if I want to be punished I will just come back to EQ1.

EQ 1 isn't bad, no idea what all the EQ 1 hate is about. But, keep your tired asses in EQ2 or WOW or whatever the hell the too cool for school people are playing these days.

:devil

I never said EQ1 was bad :D

I've occasionaly considered returning to EQ1, but grinding to 70, apping a raiding guild, being online enough to raid often enough to join said guild...getting more AAs...gah, what a chore. I miss being involved to an extent, but I read my guildies' thoughts on these last couple patches (in EQ2), and I'm not regretting my decision to take a break.

I think you're right Thor.
I think that is what I need as well....a break

/sigh

EQ2 is such a good game and has such promise, all this bowing down to the biggest whiner shit is for the birds though.

Aye, I'm not impressed at all by the huge changes.

Jesus, make all my gear Attuned? No resell worth a damn so if I'm not tradeskilling ( which I hate btw) I can't afford to replace my gear as I level up.

Ummm big bag of fuck you Mr Fandros...

Fandros

You can still sell to NPCs, dont worry.

This patch is very very good I think except:
- pally horses (should be 16% not 10%)
- fuel prices went too high.

Lani

I don't see what the hubbub is over the attunable change. So I can't gouge people when I resell my gear. Big deal! Guess what? The larger part of the money I've made in-game came from sources other than reselling gear that I've outgrown. In fact, some of the prices from the NPC merchants are almost the same as what I would have wound up selling them for on the broker anyway.

The attuneable thing is bullshit.

I like to pass my gear on to friends or family who being playing the game. Or heave forbid you have an alt you want to try to gear up. The attuneable thing was for the whiny crafters as was the pally nerf b/c of whiners. It is sickening IMO.

and now you are a whiner

Nope, instead of flipping out and pissing a biscuit on the SoE forums I am bitching here. It serves my need to vent. The easiest way to protest is to simply not play something that isn't fun for me, instead of whining to devs to make them nerf someone. Big difference IMO. :\

I am bitching here. It serves my need to vent.

i.e. Whining



I'm not saying you don't have legitimate complaints, but whining about other whiners is still whining.

The attuneable thing is bullshit.

I like to pass my gear on to friends or family who being playing the game. Or heave forbid you have an alt you want to try to gear up. The attuneable thing was for the whiny crafters as was the pally nerf b/c of whiners. It is sickening IMO.

Well, if I have an alt, it's not going to be of the same archetype as my main, so I'm not going to be handing down used equipment anyway. Not to mention that any alt I start would be so far behind my main that they couldn't use any hand-down equipment anyway.

Equipment that I pick up from winning lottos or quest awards that I can't or won't use are still as tradable as they were last week.

Good point.

And however you look at it, EQ2 is not as free in rules/restrictions as EQ1 is, and probably never will be.

Well, if I have an alt, it's not going to be of the same archetype as my main, so I'm not going to be handing down used equipment anyway. Not to mention that any alt I start would be so far behind my main that they couldn't use any hand-down equipment anyway.

Equipment that I pick up from winning lottos or quest awards that I can't or won't use are still as tradable as they were last week.

You may not but, that is to not say I or someone else may not. Templars can wear the same gear as me. And as far as alts go I could try to keep mine close in level to my main. Still a moot point though, the fact is you are restricted just as Cados pointed out. However, when I am done with my feysteel BP and an up and coming guildie just reaches the level where he can wear it I can no longer give it to him, I must sell it or keep it in my bank. This is more of a sticking point for me than alts, I can't help those behind me.

I am trying to understand why these changes came about, http://eq2.crgaming.com/viewarticle.asp?Article=7760 this article helps some. However, it is still pretty crappy that changes like these that affect gameplay weren't implemented since day one and instead came about 3+ months afterwards. I was in beta, these were issues then, they knew about the artisan dependency, mounts, pretty much everything.....they chose to go live with what they had all b/c of WoW. It is the change that sucks, I will get over it or I will won't. :cool:

i.e. Whining



I'm not saying you don't have legitimate complaints, but whining about other whiners is still whining.

/shrug ok I'm a whiner

i know you are frustrated, i'm just trying to get a rise out of you :P

:devil What? You wanna /duel me on the playground in PoK after school Monday ;)

I'm over it now, just needed to vent and the masses on the SoE boards are still voicing their opinions. I guess I just need to relax and take it or find something else to do with my time.

Yeah, I'm a whiner too, as well as a few other things ;) No rises here, it's the truth.

The first step of the healing process is admitting you have a problem, Fil. ;)

EQ1 doesn't have /pizza why would you ever leave EQ2?

http://everquest2.station.sony.com/pizza/

How does the attuning thing work? Once you equip the item, it becomes no-drop?

Well, you can wear an item that hasn't been attuned at a greater reduced level of effectivity..

Once you right click and select attune it's no drop and can only be sold to NPC's.

Fandros

Ah, I see. WoW actually has something similar. There are basically five 'types' of items - gray, white, green, blue and purple. Anything green, blue or purple (basically, any item worth a shit after level 15) becomes soulbound (equivalent to No Drop) once you equip it. I can't say whether or not that attunement system's good for EQ2, but I know the soulbinding system in WoW is very neccessary and effective. Without it, you'd see that horrible inflation of supply that EQ1 had, and the deflation of prices that goes with that. Makes for a more stable economy, I think.

It makes sense now I guess, it just really sucked after playing one way for so long....through beta and then almost 4 months live.

I understand that it will help items retain their vaule. The example the SoE guy gave was the Ykesha Sword and that b/c the item had never expired from the economy they aren't worth anything. It makes sense it's just hard to swallow and it feels a bit like Big Brother pushing his thumb harder on you.

It still doesn't mean I have to like it :) I think they should have made it more like WoW in that only items worth something should be attunealbe not every freaking item made, dropped, or quested it's a bit over the top.

Perhaps they need to pay a lil more back when you sell attuned items to the merchent.

Right now unless you tradeskill you're screwed cash flow wise.

Fandros

ahhh crap, I haven't played since right after the patch so I haven't sold anything yet. :\

Plus I am stuck at work for a God awful 30hr marathon upgrade of our most important clinical info system.....

\sigh I won't be playing until Monday
Anyone out there play with AIX much? Going from 4.33 to 5.2 with HACMP and fiber attached disks is sooooooooo much fun....NOT!

Perhaps they need to pay a lil more back when you sell attuned items to the merchent.

Right now unless you tradeskill you're screwed cash flow wise.

Fandros

Really? My cash flow has remained largely unchanged as a result of this, and I'm not a tradeskiller.

The biggest impact has been the rampant undercutting on the brokers, but even that's not too difficult to work around, with a little effort.

No folks:

This patch has been a huge nerf to tradeskillers.

Before patch you could make 1sp/combine benefit on Tier 3 combines, and like 3sp/combine benefit on tier 4 combine.
After patch you are at lost. The fuel prices make the combine damn expensive.

I have stopped tradeskilling for a while - its absolutely not worth it anymore. The only way to gain money in tradeskilling is by discovering the flaws on the pricing system, and find a rare recipe that makes money, and hope SoE doesnt fix it. I havent found any yet before you ask :)

The basic problem is that we had like 40-50% of the people who tradeskilled at some point. Since NPC purchased tradeskill products back, people made money with it, and it was great. Today SoE doesnt want tradeskillers to make money on NPCs, but only on players. Now how many tradeskillers can players support? Even with recycling my guess is just 10%. No more than 10% tradeskillers (like in eq1). That means that either 75% of the tradeskillers stop tradeskilling to give market to the remaining 25%, either everyone will be screwed.

I love eq2 - but they are just screwing it. I have stopped tradeskilling now, hope fule prices get reasonable soon. If you are an adventurer, who used to gather ressources, you probably noticed the nerf too, because noone buys your products anymore. Tier 4 briarwood went from 2s50 to barely 30c on brooker. I guess I am not alone stopping tradeskills.

Lani

Alot of the tier 4 's have dropped in price also due to the larger amount of folks in those zones.

Supply was getting way high before the patch and prices were plummetting.

Fandros