It is true, if you want a key to VT all you need to do is sit in emp room when another guild kills the emperor and a GM will summon your guild 40 shards too.

Congrats on Gimping your way into VT Final Destiny.

If gimping your way into VT means spending thousands of man hours farming key's, shards, frame's, orbs, killing emp, and attaining the gear to fight there, then yes, we gimped our way into VT.

Lets see...

Farm shards Yup
Farm emp keys-- Yup

Crying to a GM because you were not able to kill emp before the guild that was there did and then having that clueless gm give you 40 free shards.....GIMP

Clan of Dashmoo = Gimp.

I will say you must have a harvard degree in debate to talk a gm into giving away 40 shards when all you did was sit on sidelines and watch someone else do the work.

You didnt earn the shards, so you dont deserve to be in Vex Thall. Try and justify it anyway you want, but the fact remains that FD gimped thier way into 40 vex thall keys.

Let's see, create account so I can remain anonymous because I have no balls: Yup (Don't worry, I'd be embarrassed after my actions last night also)

Call another guild gimp, even though they had the forces there, and were in talks with a GM when RIP ran past: Yup

Lose VT every week, to a guild that has the forces online 2 hours earlier: Give us a week or so.

For the love of god, what the emp drops is commonly called RIFT(S) not SHARD(S).

Shard is the small wood staff you get from random luclin zones to get your vt key...but you should know better since you pretend some dude gimped their way in vt

Grats RIP.
Grats FD.
Grats Brioma ?
looks like everyone won to me.

Ya FD gimps, gratz on winning something you didnt deserve. RIP would be in VT for like what, more than 6 months now if they could have done the same bullshit as you guys to finish keys.

GM's don't exactly give away rifts unless its pretty justified. I have never heard of it ever happening before this. Get your facts straight on who was to blame last night please.

wooot grats on vex thal entry Final good luck in VT.

I think this movie pretty much sums it up.

Almadar in all his glory. (http://www.fanta.dk/showmovie.asp?mid=58CE6C52-47B9-4070-B271-FB82D2977558)

Haha funny movie :p

Ya, could go fetch one too for you lord dark helmet.... if only it wasnt a big waste of time.

So what happened?
RiP ran past you, and killed Emp? And a GM summoned you rifts to complete yer keys because s/he felt it was unfair?

If we're arguing here, let's be clear. So I can at least take a side, sheesh.
Don't be vague. No one likes a vaguey-bum.

Hmmm.. Ok... Lets see how this goes...

Camp the Emp key.. Ok We'll give FD credit for that.

Camp the shards. Ok. Lot of hours there, agreed.

Kill the Emp .... Hmmm.... Camp a GM and whine to make you roll for the right to a mob that hasn't spawned yet One kill.

Whine to a GM and have them spawn 40 rifts for you because someone else was ready and engaged Blood before you managed to get up off your asses...

Yup thats sure the way I'd want to get into a zone.

If RiP had done the same thing they'd have been in VT back in January. Instead of playing by the rules and earning their Emp kills.

Oh and as for getting the facts right... Why doesn't someone ask FD about the cock blocking they've tried a few times to keep anyone else out of the Insig room? I suppose an Ogre Wall doesn't count as immature and unfair? Or a train on a guild patiently waiting at the portal for the spawn doesn't cvount either?

Face it FD: You snooze you lose. RiP was there and was ready. They engaged first and from what I heard took down both Blood and Emp in a flawless kill.

Hope you enjoy your new Gimp of the Year awards. Thanks to the GM for issuing 40 of them... That way most of your guild will be able to wear their awards and the whole server will know exactly how you got where you are today :)

I don't own any white sleeveless undershirts like that and you totally missed Hikek's way of speaking. Other than that you get an 3 out of 10 since those stopped being novel a year ago. I'm honored to be lampooned in a Fanta Shokata ad. Not that I'd be saying much about cockblocking, given all the times you've been killing Taskmasters all day to prevent LotJ and Nights/Kaze from getting to Cursed ;-p

Regarding Almadar, he is no longer a member of Rest in Peace and does not represent us. I don't know who Malenchen is, but I do not believe him to be a member of Rest in Peace and if he is, appropriate actions will be taken.

Regarding the situation last night, it was a fair engagement based on published SoE policy. Two guilds wanted a mob, whomever engages first got it. We had spoken with a GM much earlier in the day and she had clarified that point to us.

(times are PST)

[Wed Aug 13 14:50:02 2003] Allyisia tells you, 'we are simply here because of some concerns with a camp. Basically we are just here to make sure who ever engages first and starts the script is the group that will get a shot at this'
[Wed Aug 13 14:50:16 2003] You told Allyisia, 'well, ok that is fine'
[Wed Aug 13 14:51:02 2003] You told Allyisia, 'thank you, i am sure fd will tell you that they were there first, and it should be theirs'
[Wed Aug 13 14:51:29 2003] Allyisia tells you, 'I told them it doesnt matter who is here first only who starts the script first'
[Wed Aug 13 14:53:36 2003] You told Allyisia, 'well, we wont even go into the room, until the last second to avoid any further confrontation'


As such, we proceeded with the GM blessing. Whatever GM you were talking to later was obviously either not aware of SoE policy or was confused about the issue. If you were discussing the issue with a GM, that GM should have told us to halt the engagement -- that request was never made.

As to the rift issue, while we would be overjoyed if SoE policy had changed such as to work around bad expansion design, that is not the case and the GM who decided to award rifts to people who had not killed the Emperor was definitely in error. We are unaware as to what the resolution to the incident will be.

Obviously, we and thousands of other players would feel quite cheated since for the last four years, we've all been told "tough cookies" when things didn't go our way. To award rifts to a guild that was merely beaten to a spawn is deeply insulting to the thousands of people across servers that have been trained, KSed, had their CC interfered with, had scripts blown, been ogre-walled, or been victim of any number of other clear PNP violations.

You didnt earn the shards, so you dont deserve to be in Vex Thall.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but didn't they already kill emperor once at least on their own? Once you've got one kill in the bag, it's only a matter of time. Hell, you only need 3 kills to key up the biggest of zerg guilds. Bitch at the dumbass GM for giving them rifts if you want.

Yes, we have killed emp already once. A GM came in, made the 2 guild leaders roll, loser had to leave.

RIP wanted no part of working things out between 2 guild leaders, so mediation from a higher source was sought. Sorry, but your efforts at cockblocking us out of VT are done.

Talk about training? I guess that was another guild named Rest in Peace training the entrance to keep new people from coming in.

You didn't want to play honorably, and now all that Karma is coming back. Life sucks, buy a helmet.

It's a shame members of your guild were appologizing for the selfless and honorless actions you made them take last night. Gratz on trashing our MT on your main page, and finally gratz on destroying what little respect your guild had left.

Now you have to choose on patch day. Further cockblock FD and other guilds, or try to coth ahead of them in VT. :/

Quite a predicament you're in, aren't you?

RiP was there and was ready. They engaged first and from what I heard took down both Blood and Emp in a flawless kill.

Emphasis on "what you heard".

I'm sorry, you were misinformed. We were there first and at any single point before, during, and after the raid, we had more people in the zone than the guild called RiP. I have first hand experience of this. I didn't hear it through the grapevine.

If kiting the blood around before the Emperor even spawns is considered initiating the script, then so be it.

Everyone please bow your heads.....
Thank you lord finaly for a worthwhile nag thread.
A M E N !!!!

As some other guilds are learning, if you rush to do content your guild is not ready for, you will be eaten alive by the mobs in that zone you sploited to get too,and are wasting your members online time.

If RiP had done the same thing they'd have been in VT back in January. Instead of playing by the rules and earning their Emp kills.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAH AHHAHAHHAH


*breathes deeply*


HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHHAHAHHAHHAHAHHAH AHAHHAHAHAH


*breathes deeply*


HAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHA HAHAHAHHAHAH


*passes out on the floor*

FD killed emp their first time solo. Not with help from LS tanks because they couldn't get emp passed 70%, solo. Most other guilds that have been to VT kill AHR solo for the first time, not with LS tanks and bolstered forces, solo.

I don't normally post here, but RIP coming and flaming other guilds for using tactics that are ALMOST as bad as the ones they use on every target where they have competition just makes me sick. Flame me all you want and talk bad about my mom, education, guild, upbringing, dogs or whatever else makes you feel like a big man. But pretty much every guild on the server knows of RIPs reputation when it comes to interguild competition. And fair, honorable and honest are not words you will ever hear in those descriptions.

WTB fun content kkthx

Haha. RIP is crying unfair about another guild on emp?

You fucks wiped out on Blood, then made a hilarious newspage update about why the lag from CB sitting up there wiped you. THEN you had the balls to leave a SoS rogue parked there to watch exactly how CB did emp.

Oh, and I forgot about the ninja'ing rifts. That sucked ass too.

Sorry mates, but you have no right to fucking complain about shenanigans in the emp room.

RiP's first emp Kill was with Seratonin tanking... As with FD's first AoW kill... I SAY WE FUCKING BLAME SERATONIN FOR THROWING OFF THE FUCKING BALANCE IN THE MID TIER GUILD CIRCUIT!!!!!!!!!!! BURN IN TEH HELLZORS FOOKER!!!

I'm going to pistol whip the next guy that says Shenanigans.

Hey Farva what's that restaurant you like with all that stuff on the walls and the mozzerella sticks?
Oh you mean Shenanigans?
*Hands O'grady a pistol*

Who wants to go to Mexico !!!! YEEEEEEEE

i agree with shew. if anyone should be angry at someone, it needs to seratonin.

CAR RAMROD

Sorry mates, but you have no right to fucking complain about shenanigans in the emp room

I'm going to pistol whip the next person that says "shenanigans"!

Shew, you suck :(

Powdered sugar.... it keeps the lice away.

It's delicious!

I want to share a laugh I had.

Quote from the front page of guildrip.com...


Recruiting is all but stopped now, but we're always happy to consider a great player. Just don't be like Toothy and start making up stories about how we've been begging you to join, if you get rejected. Yeah, I even heard that Furor, Zaar, and Thott are having a bidding war to decide who gets to recruit him. I heard it, so it must be true. It wouldn't be really gullible and stupid to believe whatever random rumor someone makes up after they get denied, now would it?

:rollin

Well since you decided to make it public!

I'll tell you another way RiP likes to play dirty. How about sending the MT for the guild your most in competition with, who at the time lacked any form of an aggro weapon, with a tells that contained Bloodfrenzy links and talking about "oh this one is going to an alt" or "this one is going to a recruit."

And the time I grouped with your recruitment officer who was just so OBVIOUSLY making a move on me? Telling me more how they would literally take away BoC's from inactive tanks to give them to any warrior apps that would apply? I reported that bullshit to my guildleader that MINUTE. Who do you guys think your fooling?

Well anyways, playing dirty didn't work out so well for you all, sooo I guess instead of sharing VT like we wanted to, you guys just get to lose it. :)

Yes, blame me! I am l33t LS tank! I tank all mob for low guild lolz.

Give them a break Toothy...RIP is too busy gearing up MTs to ship off to EW or IVM =(

There are no taskmasters in VT btw =/.

I love you Sera. <3

Get back the old sig though, it was hilarious. :lol

He won't. He thinks he's too pimp at 3d design no matter how gay everyone says his shit is.

I have good friends in both of these guilds and all I have to say is... what a shame that a GM had to make a bad, but part and parcel of the game, situation and make it immeasurably worse by intervening in such an unorthodox way. His or her careless act will only serve to make the bad blood that already exists between these guilds worse. As much as it sucks, people get over being KSed, leapfrogged, etc; they plan for the next spawn and their next move next time they see Guild X in their way. This, however, will leave a lingering bad taste in a lot of people's mouths, and taint Vex Thal for both of these guilds every time they encounter each other in the zone from here on out. WTG SoE!

Sincerely,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

And the time I grouped with your recruitment officer who was just so OBVIOUSLY making a move on me? Telling me more how they would literally take away BoC's from inactive tanks to give them to any warrior apps that would apply? I reported that bullshit to my guildleader that MINUTE. Who do you guys think your fooling?You have to open you throat more....Cup the balls....

You're never gonna win with those chicken lips.

So much of my authority is derived from the power right here.

Damnit, I just watched that like 5 times last week, now I'm gonna hafta watch it again. 8(

malse said :
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Obviously, we and thousands of other players would feel quite cheated since for the last four years, we've all been told "tough cookies" when things didn't go our way. To award rifts to a guild that was merely beaten to a spawn is deeply insulting to the thousands of people across servers that have been trained, KSed, had their CC interfered with, had scripts blown, been ogre-walled, or been victim of any number of other clear PNP violations.
_________________________________________________

when it really should have read:

Obviously, we have cheated thousands of other players would feel quite good. For the last four years, we've all told others "tough cookies" when things didn't go their way. To award rifts to a guild that we exploited trying to beat to a spawn is deeply insulting to the thousands of people across servers. We have trained, KSed, CC interfered, blown scripts, blown men, ogre-walled, and victimized others any number of ways in clear PNP violations, which is all fair when a gm isnt watching anyway.

I'm certain most of the community will believe the revised script. It is RIP we are talking about. The revision is gratis.

Arch Lich Thana

I got my popcorn ready but I dont think this is gonna get really good till about page 6 or so...

Kad

this isn't up to the caliber of "This one is for LS" =/

malse said:
_______________________________________________
Obviously, we and thousands of other players would feel quite cheated since for the last four years, we've all been told "tough cookies" when things didn't go our way...

...have been trained, KSed, had their CC interfered with, had scripts blown, been ogre-walled, or been victim of any number of other clear PNP violations.
_________________________________________________

even if these things DID happen to RIP, I can say that it couldn't have happened to a nicer group of people.

Arch Lich Thana

The problem is, it's Final Destiny, so nobody is really all that shocked.

Littering and...?

Hey FD is a good guild I have no idea what happened nor do I really care I was working a 22hour shift.

All i really wanted to say is malse has the biggest collection of goat porn know to man.

Toothy is just a funky rotten smelling watermelon tank ( damn ogre needs to bathe damint i have a drink tray on my head while wearing a thong and he never has to take a bath damn pdmt)

Seratonin is a ninny poop

Shew loves the cock(real or fake)

Dashmoo is forever lost

Brioma Rocks!

Be careful RiP we can sick Chenoa on you cause we all know no one can kill her in a duel and you will all die a nastey death!!!( if by chance you kill her please make ss and post them here every other day at the half hour.)

and I am working another 22 hour shift today so you can all keep this thread going so i can have something to read.

and smoking the reefer!

I'm freakin' out man.

The snozzberries taste like snozzberries!

haha, Kettle, Pot, Black mean anything to you RiP? Grats FD! Go go VT!

CANDY BARZ!!!!!


P.s. Littering and a... Littering and a... Littering and a.. Littering and a... smoking the reefer! Now to teach you a lesson, Rabbit and I are going to stand here and watch you smoke the whole bag. "Please no..."

Littering and?

I must say this is QUITE amusing... on many various aspects.

Dart, who did you teabag to get the 40 shards? :p j/k


- Vahs Teel, 62nd Beastie of Kill -

Bah not enough post keep them coming biatchs

IT IS ALL ABOUT THE WOOO WOOO

www.bubbrubb.com

Bah, bad old sig... bad :b

YOU BOYZ LIKE MEXICO?

What the fuck is a LS tank?


and why don't you pussies have a guild war.

/spank Cerri

I certainly remember RIP gimping a ragefire kill from Immortal Mercy wayyyy back when.

Bearfucker... do you need assistance?!

Bearfucker... do you need assistance?! I'm not sure but isn't that illegal?

and why don't you pussies have a guild war. /guildwar has been broken forever...

as kire -- WOOT!! Many Gratz FD
as MrG -- HAHAHA!! You Foocks RiP, p.s. how many xa are now RiP?

as MistP -- Viva La Popeo!! Long Live the Rivervale Mafia

p.p.s did NE1 drop a CoF?

HAHA RIP still sucks and so does FD and SOT and EW and INV and XA and VA and Pho and YFM ( Your fat mom), Lub it, live it, leave it.

GFY and enjoy

Grats you whoever

who really gives a shit at this point?

Kala (Trix) OMG!!

CAR 91!! CAR 91!! DO YOU ME??? DO YOU NEED MY ASSISTANCE??? COME IN CAR 91!!

CHICKENFUCKER

No, I just told him that so he makes it good...Don't spit in that cop's burger.

who can say meow the most? i can say meo...hell i can say MOO. I'll call him a chickenfucker even! License and registration....chickenfucker!

Everyone's a looser in this situation.
I mean.. it's Vex Thal.

I just find it interesting that RiP is complaning about another guild not doing everythng in house to get their VT keys.

Anyhow, grats FD. take compfort in knowing that many, many people can see through this transparent thread and are happy that RiP will have company in VT.

And count your lucky stars that there are no flurry drakes in VT.

No flurry drakes, but 6 robed casters are fun as hell to play with when they chain cast. :)

hmm i was working that nite but think it was not right for fd to get rifts from gm

FD are a bunch of whiners. they werent smart enough or competitive enough to engage first they shouldnt get the rifts. why did you lose Emp, FD? cause you sat on yer asses (as usual) instead of thinking and planning and strategizing. grats RiP on being competitive. too bad this is about soe making more money and keeping people happy than doing whats right. if you dont like it..bitch and complain..eventually someone will get tired of listening to you and change it just to make you shut up. LoTJ, FD, and RiP (and LS rofl) in VT. boy that may liven this dead section up a bit :)

RIP wanted no part of working things out between 2 guild leaders, so mediation from a higher source was sought. Sorry, but your efforts at cockblocking us out of VT are done.

even when RiP does make agreements they dont follow them heh

'LoTJ, FD, and RiP (and LS rofl) in VT'

- Uhm, LoTJ aren't there. By choice.
Because it's all so very gay. I submit Evidence One: This thread.

Everyone's a looser in this situation.
I mean.. it's Vex Thal.

Indeed.

And the guy that said LS in VT? Uhh I think they are well passed farming VT, heh.

RiP... hahaha.... eat it. You have a few good folks in the ranks, but as a group you suck goat balls and you damn well know it. You blew past being ignorant arrogant fucks on the way to becoming world-class shitbags.

FD, grats. You still have to deal with those dirtballs in VT, but hey, I think you can hold your own.

Dfrac

I’m not really sure about Malse and Dart’s wife-beater love affair thing, but I just want to restate the actual issue here since it seems to be getting missed completely.

Sure, we use some pretty aggressive tactics when they’re called for. At this level of the game, who doesn’t? Certainly, none of the people from SoT, CB, and FD that are spouting off here have any room to talk about that. We could have a 40 page pissing contest about who’s done what to who, but that’s completely beside the point. What happened after the fight was absolutely absurd, and has no basis whatsoever in Sony’s rules.

Bottom line:

-- A GM gave us the go ahead to kill Blood and Emp when we were ready, if FD hadn’t engaged yet. This is exactly how it has always been, regardless of the guilds involved. With Emp, and with any other mob in the game.

-- We stayed out of the room until we were ready to actually engage, to prevent unnecessary, additional conflict.

-- When we were ready, we engaged and killed Blood and Emp. There was no long Blood kill, as implied above. The entire Blood fight lasted about ten (10) minutes. We always take our time on Blood, just to be doubly sure all of the crowd control groups are locked down and ready for Emp pop. No need to rush it and then have unpleasant surprises when it’s harder to handle them.

-- We looted Emp and distributed what rifts we needed.

-- About an hour after our kill, a GM instructed a guide to distribute 40 rifts to FD’s members, without saying a word to us (you know, the guild that actually killed Emp). This GM logged immediately after giving the guide the instruction, and didn’t even handle duping the items personally.

-- After finding out what went down, we spoke with a lead GM about the issue. This is what he had to say about it:

http://www.guildrip.com/screenshots/gm_fd_rifts.gif

Love us or hate us, whatever makes you happy. The fact still remains that Final Destiny was given 40 duped items. Arguably, 40 of the most strategically valuable item in all of Luclin. They didn’t kill Emp. They didn’t even try. They simply weren’t ready to engage him before we were. The reasoning behind a GM causing these items to be duped and given to the guild who didn’t even engage the mob is just unfathomable to me.

Surely any of you can understand the precedent this would set if upheld. You guys in CB and SoT love to rag on us about the times we’ve competed at Emp, but just imagine if this had happened to us then. After you beat us to the kill, while we were sitting there in zone prepping; what if we’d been awarded 40 duped rifts anyway? Would you honestly have just congratulated us on cheating our way into VT to compete with you?

Given the ridiculous comments on this thread, I assume no one's going to be upset if we petition and receive 72 elemental planes flags, even if we don't actually kill the mobs involved.

Come on. Seriously.

As for LS tanks... Yes, we're good friends with Ghazghull. He was an officer in our guild for awhile, and a friend to many of us. Every once in a while, he even drops by to raid with us if he's still awake when we're doing stuff. However, he wasn't tanking for us on our Aten kill(s). Take a look at the screenshot on our news page. See Kaeril and Korlis front and center? They certainly aren't in LS. What in the world are you people talking about? VT is a joke compared to the mudflation that is PoP. Probably 2/3 of our guild could tank Aten. Are you kidding?

As for Toothy... I'm sorry if my little blurb on the news page threatened your pre-emptive tap dancing to play off the fact that you applied to us, in case word got back around. To say we were desparate enough for tanks to heavily recruit a warrior with less HP than most of our paladins at the time, is laughable at best. Of course you'd have got a BoC as a full member. Everyone does. We've got the things flowing out our ears. Your point?

As for this garbage...
even when RiP does make agreements they dont follow them heh
I'm not sure what you were told, but you have to understand that the deal was we wouldn't contest SoT in VT. It had nothing to do with us staying out otherwise. When SoT regularly visited the zone, we wouldn't even mini-raid to get tower, palace, and wing keys ahead of time because Kinens said he didn't want us to.

When SoT stopped using the zone at all, we immediately clarified the agreement with the GM who mediated it:

http://www.guildrip.com/screenshots/gm_sot_deal.gif

Then, we started clearing VT. It sounds like you've been victim of some misinformation. I've got the full text of the conversation between Brioma, Malse, and Kinens. If there's still anyone that thinks we broke a deal, feel free to email me and I'll show it to you.

Well judging from the number of guilds that have contact with RIP and FD the boards pretty much reflect a pretty clear picture....

RIP seems to have a pretty bad reputation/relationship with all the major guilds and FD hasn't been dumped on by any of them (in this thread like RIP ) so just based on that it looks like RIP is the new XA of the server.

sancek owned you all

As for Toothy... I'm sorry if my little blurb on the news page threatened your pre-emptive tap dancing to play off the fact that you applied to us, in case word got back around. To say we were desparate enough for tanks to heavily recruit a warrior with less HP than most of our paladins at the time, is laughable at best.

Still can't help yourself, can you?

I'm sorry so many members of RiP have been lied to by their leaders. The truth is as stated by the FD posters on this board.
I guess we'll just have to plan ahead and make sure GM's are watching to make sure RiP doesn't KS anymore.

I am not going to justify FD getting the rifts. RiP did kill the Emp...this is part of EQ.

However...that being said. I don't know of any guild on this server that has any respect for RiP. I certainly don't...the people in charge talk out of both sides of their mouths. Back when we were still Vallis Scortor, we were setting up to kill Dozekar. We had the forces there in HoT...we were setting up the CH rotation. Yeah...it took us a while to get situated. While we were setting up for Dozekar RiP shows up. We find out they are there for Dozekar...we talk with them. The person we spoke with in RiP gave us the go ahead for taking the first shot. We had just finished our preparations like 15 minutes later...apparently RiP CoH'd past us and engaged Dozekar right as the monk was going to pull. We had the last laugh...it's tough to fight down in the KoS area of HoT without having a few adds. They ate shit and we killed Dozekar.

I've heard Vision having similar problems with RiP.

Now...as for Sanchek's post. I agree with what he said up until he talks about SoT's deal.

Maybe some SoT folks who were more in the middle of this deal can clarify, but my understanding from talking to a few SoT members is that:

1) SoT let RiP loot rifts after they killed the Emperor (funny about RiP posting that FD got rifts that they didn't earn).

2) The "deal" was that SoT gives RiP the rifts and in exchange for the rifts RiP promises they won't enter VT before August 1st (mind you...this was only *one week* before August 1st...RiP couldn't even wait one week to honor their word).

The deal was *not* "we wouldn't contest SoT in VT" as I was told...and weighing guild reps, I believe SoT over RiP. Of course SoT can't *MAKE* you not enter VT before August 1st...they have to rely on you to honor your word. Apparently you used a quote of Brioma quoting you the rules of Everquest. IMO, your word to another person supercedes your the basic rules of conduct in Everquest...but again...this is not the first time I've heard of RiP not honoring their word. To be honest, I was surprised SoT trusted RiP enough to make this deal with them. I wouldn't have due to the Dozekar incident. I wasn't surprised it backfired and RiP used the first excuse available to break their word.

Sanchek...are you saying that SoT is wrong and that the deal WASN'T to enter VT before August 1st? If so, then you go to a lot of trouble to prove why it was ok to go into VT...obviously aware that something is not jiving between your deal with SoT and what you did.

"The lady doth protest too much, methinks"
-William Shakespeare "Hamlet"

I’m not really sure about Malse and Dart’s wife-beater love affair thing

You know something I don't know?

Sure, we use some pretty aggressive tactics when they’re called for.

Their is a fine line between being aggressive and being a dick.

A GM gave us the go ahead to kill Blood and Emp

A GM or a guide? To my understanding, we were both talking to guides while the situation was being escalated to a GM.

There was no long Blood kill, as implied above

This is laughable. I went to go take a shit when you started, and when I came back about 30 minutes later, he was still up. I guess a new unresistable proc called "Spin with Thumb up Ass" was added after the last patch.

a GM instructed a guide to distribute 40 rifts to FD’s members
You are so misinformed on this one, I won't even bother with it.

They simply weren’t ready to engage him before we were

On the contrary, we were very ready. Matter of fact, I believe our attendance outranked your botcrew by quiet a few. What you fail to realize is that Final Destiny values it's reputation above all else. Dashmoo is one hell of a mediator at times between guilds, and has earned the respect of guild leaders all over the server.

Never mistake Values and Kindness for weakness, it will be your downfall.

I went to go take a shit when you started, and when I came back about 30 minutes later

TMI Dart =(

Since all my dealings with you, Lyrik, have been cordial, I've decided to post one additional correction since you have no firsthand knowledge of any of this and appear to have been grievously misinformed.


1) SoT let RiP loot rifts after they killed the Emperor (funny about RiP posting that FD got rifts that they didn't earn).


This never happened. We discussed the possibility of letting SoT members loot OUR extras but it never came up. No member of SoT or RiP ever looted any rifts at the other's Emperor kill to the best of my knowledge.


2) The "deal" was that SoT gives RiP the rifts and in exchange for the rifts RiP promises they won't enter VT before August 1st (mind you...this was only *one week* before August 1st...RiP couldn't even wait one week to honor their word).


I made that deal. The wording was mine. Myself, Brioma, and in theory Kinens (since he agreed to it) knew EXACTLY what it meant. Kinens and I even discussed us killing things in Vex Thal before August. One two separate occaisions we asked about some first floor stuff they had left up, but they said their late-night crew was going in to get it. As such we did not ever contest them in VT. No rifts were ever exchanged.

Any person of any guild affiliation who has told you otherwise is in error. The deal was specifically non-contest and all parties understood that at the begining. If anyone is "lying" it is people who are spreading the falsehood that we were not allowed in VT.


The deal was *not* "we wouldn't contest SoT in VT" as I was told...and weighing guild reps, I believe SoT over RiP.


As stated above, the deal was, in fact, "not contest." As to guild reputation, I'd ask you to consider carefully about who told you otherwise and why they would have been motivated to misinform you.

I also find it amusing that people consider us "bad" for aggressively killing the Emperor since SoT and pretty much every guild on every server has done the same or worse. Additionally, it was me, not any member of SoT, who finally put forward an olive branch and arbitrated an agreement between the two guilds.

I tried to do the same thing with FD, but thanks in no small part to the sort of attitudes you see from their members, it didn't work out. As numerous people not interested in huge, pointless flamewars could attest if they bothered posting to these shitstorms, we're pretty easy to get along with. The only guilds we've had any long term problems with have been SoT and CB (which I don't think will surprise anyone in say, Invictus Maneo, Eternal Wrath, or Landslide -- all of whom we have occaisionally contested spawns with, but almost entirely without incident).

Also, I still think a lot of you are missing the point. Regardless of who's a dick and who screwed who this week -- you all really like the idea of GMs handing out flags, rifts, keys, or god knows what other drops to people that DIDN'T kill the mob in question? Damn, we all need to go sit our asses with 50 other people in Tactics next time anyone does Rallos Zek. Getting a duped flag for no effort would sure beat having to kill him.

This is laughable. I went to go take a shit when you started, and when I came back about 30 minutes later,

A nice big shit before a fight is always a good thing. Just look at the greyhounds at a race track. Any dog that walks on the tracks and dumps right there is a dog that deserves another $10 to Win/Place/Show on him.

Most of us know the rules of engagement.
Those that dont,will.
So dont try to sugar coat it to make you and your guild look like Heros. There are no heros, only victims.

)quote dajudge, whoever that is): RIP is the new XA of the server

... if you only knew how funny that statement really is. :)

Hail, Kanibal, Duglas, Eteid, Korlis, Karanur, Calliss, Gumdar, Losyl, etc, etc, etc.

Well now that it has become clear RIP's leadership is XAish it is only time till those in RIP that have some since of values and are embarassed by their leadership will start to leave. As their leadership behavior continues down this road they will eventually only be able to recruit the "rejects" which will further there downward spiral. And as everyone knows these types eventually will start to feed on themselves ending a in total screw each other atmosphere just prior to a desolving of RIP......so you folks that are good folks keep a sharp eye out as RIP reputation continues to go down and I suggest you jump ship so you can get into good guilds before it reachs a point if you put RIP on your app history your app dies before you even get a chance to get in a good guild.

Maybe we should just call it even and get Dart some ex-lax.... Maybe if he wasn't constipated, this whole thing wouldn't have gotten blown outta proportion. 8o


- Vahs! - 62nd Beastie of Kill

I made that deal. The wording was mine. Myself, Brioma, and in theory Kinens (since he agreed to it) knew EXACTLY what it meant. Kinens and I even discussed us killing things in Vex Thal before August. One two separate occaisions we asked about some first floor stuff they had left up, but they said their late-night crew was going in to get it. As such we did not ever contest them in VT. No rifts were ever exchanged.

Any person of any guild affiliation who has told you otherwise is in error. The deal was specifically non-contest and all parties understood that at the begining. If anyone is "lying" it is people who are spreading the falsehood that we were not allowed in VT.

So, he agreed to something. Thus he understands how you interprit it.

You got permission from Kinens for taking mobs out in VT before. Based off your standard of evidence (we talked about killing mobs in VT before the deadline, thus killing mobs in VT before the deadline is ok), this generates a question: Did you get permission from Kinens for clearing VT?

I mean, they might have wanted to kill mobs in VT 3 days from then, if they where still up. You agreed not to contest them in VT -- argueably, with consent from BOTH parties, you could temporarally amend this agreement. But, if you did not have full and explicit agreement from all parties, amending an agreement unilaterally is called lying.

We have one side claiming you kiting blood for 30 minutes. Now, Malse, this is a tricky question to answer, but: If you had been kiting blood for 30+ minutes, would this make this behaviour wrong: In the middle of GM or Guild arbitration engaging a mob, then not killing them but rather kiting them in order to truely become ready?

Because I'm seeing alot of hemming. "Whoever engages first, no matter what" is the justification RiP is putting forward, and that would cover a long period of delay-tactic kiting followed by a kill.

I do think that what the guild did was wrong. What should have happened, if the killing side was found to be in the wrong, is that all loot the cheating side generated should be distributed by the wrong side. Ie, if the guild found RiP in the wrong, they shouldn't have duped the loot, but confescated RiPs loot and given it to FD. Duplication of loot not destroyed in a bug. Anything less than such an action leaves the question of who exactly is in the right ambiguous.

An intermediate solution would be to split the loot, if RiP was not found completely in the wrong. Some subsection of loot would be confescated, and given to FD. This could be what happened -- RiP destroyed the keys, and the GM decided to award them to FD.

Or, if RiP was found to be in the right, FD should have gotten nothing.

There is the last alternative: All loot being destroyed. However, as it is probably part of RiP's strategy that they lock other guilds out of VT in order to reduce competition, this would give RiP the victory, hence not be a balanced solution in this case.

Meh, too long a post.

However, there is the one question:
Is kiting Blood for 30+ minutes an acceptable strategy in this situation? I mean, you engaged first. . .

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Anybody want cream? Okay.....Nooooo cream.....

oh... a bar of soap? how clever...

HAHAHAH SHIT!!!!! I GOT YOU GOOD YOU FUCKER!!!

Borborygmous your information about the RiP : SoT deal is way way off and more in the lines of Sanchek stated.

Congrats FD on your rift owner ship. You killed him once and could do it again..its not like you had killed him 15 times already and some guild who came up after you had already moblized to kill an emperor at the time he spawns and was forced to roll against a guild who could not and didnt kill at that event. We were forced to roll against a guild and we refused to roll against them, GM then having rolled for us because of it and lost the roll LOL..let RiP have a shot that they got raped on.

You had plenty of times to kill the EMP in january hell you even had shots at him before we had enough keyed to enter the emperors room but you failed miserably compaired to other guilds that killed him by there second try. Quit your fucking crying.


Have fun in VT.



Ibudin

Pretending to kill Blood for 30 minutes, is not an acceptable initiation of a scripted event.

WHY?

Because the emperor won't even spawn without Blood... hence, engaging the Blood prior to the emp spawning is NOT running a scripted event, but is in actuality cockblocking.

Sorry, but that's not following the rules of engagement.

Try not to focus so much on the fact that FD recieved duped rifts, and try to focus on the fact that a GM felt he was justified enough to duplicate them based on RIP's GIMP kiting delay in the emperor's room. That thought speaks volumes.

Try not to focus so much on the fact that FD recieved duped rifts, and try to focus on the fact that a GM felt he was justified enough to duplicate them based on RIP's GIMP kiting delay in the emperor's room. That thought speaks volumes.

Yeah, don't focus on the fact that FD didn't do anything to gain the rifts except zone into Ssra, just remember that GMs are retarded and barely understand the game we play.

As much as I dislike RIP and their tactics, I don't think ANYONE should EVER get loot handed to them no matter what the cicumstances. You are damn straight I would have gone ballistic if any guild was given rifts when my guild killed Emp.

And this holds true even if RIP off-tanked Blood for 5 hours until enough LS got on to help them kill it. I'd be fine with the GM taking loot away from RIP or despawning Emp at that point, but you don't give away loot for nothing.

RIP has maintained in this thread that FD received rifts they didn't deserve because they didn't kill the emp. They keep trying to bring it back to that but lets be honest here.

The real reason RIP is so pissed and throwing a tantrum is they were unable to kill the emp and destroy the rifts and prevent FD from COMPETING with them.

Its one thing to have a fair competion for a mob and win or lose but RIP tried the same thing Tanya Harding did to Nancy Carigain...........because Tanya might beat Nancy they in essence tried to take FD out before they had to face FD in VT.....So the uber RIP guild took the LOW road instead of demonstrating smart tactics, brilliant competitive maneuvers and just being good EQ players they took the easy way, the non-competitive way, the cowardly way of trying to destroy the rifts so they would not have to compete.

So RIP if you haven't figured it out from all the negative feedback you have received in this thread your style of Tanya Harding play has made you look like you are scared to compete on a level playing field and frankly you have made fools out of yourself crying waw waw waw waw FD got the rifts anyway. Way to go FD givem hell and play clean, don't stoop to there level and they will continue being the laughing stock of the server neither respected or feared.

Ahhh...look...the little newbies are all growed up now!

Ok, I posted the above in some sort of self-induced crack haze. My apologies.

Please ignore the half-english sentances and gibber. Feel free to answer the questions that actually make sense. =)

Say 'Car RamRod'

"Sorry i dont know what a liter cola is..." "liter cola is french for gimme some fuckin cola" haha great movie.

-klawz

There was no long Blood kill, as implied above

This is laughable. I went to go take a shit when you started, and when I came back about 30 minutes later, he was still up.


From my logs:

[Wed Aug 13 18:06:05 2003] Duggin tells the raid, 'PULLING'
[Wed Aug 13 18:06:07 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza executes a FLURRY of attacks on Duggin!

[Wed Aug 13 18:42:20 2003] Blood of Ssraeshza's corpse falls and slowly melts into a pool of dark blood, covering the stone floor.

Thirty-six minutes.



On the contrary, we were very ready. Matter of fact, I believe our attendance outranked your botcrew by quiet a few.


RiP recently killed Emp with 40 people and did this with no shissar bane weapons (well they had them, but they were broke at the time). Of course RiP is going to have fewer people in the zone than FD; RiP doesn't need as many to kill the emperor.

Say 'Car RamRod' What??? Ohhhhhh I'm sorry......I forgot....

Who wants a moustache ride?

Gratz FD! Don't worry about it.

/sarcasm on
VT is fun and I'm sure that RiP, being the honorable guild they are will be willing to share, and follow any agreements that are made.

/sarcasm off

heh well damn, i just lost a dollar....

to myyyself...

dart talking about being a dick you are the biggist dickhead on this server half of fd don't like you face it

It stinks like sex in here.

Look, RIP has no problems with anyone, aside from CB, SOT, FD, Vision (when they were still around), XA (when they still existed), LOTJ, VA.

I mean, why would LS, IVM, and EW argue with RIP? For fucks sake, that'd be like the Atlanta Braves talking trash about the Macon Braves.

You don't fuck with your farm team =(

log in once a month shorty and youd learn more about what im referring to. LS has been all but disolved. they have retreated back to luclin and ssra. just some information you might need before you make another ignorant post.

dude...are you on drugs ? we did 1 emp, 1 seru, and one of the vt bosses. the rest of the time we are in pop, you might wanna log on yourself, or atleast get correct information =/

In response to Deien's post, I'll apologize for our guild. His statement is way out of line and he will be dealt with.

If you have further problems regarding this, please contact me in game or via email at thtp@sympatico.ca

I never said I wasn't a dick. I just try to enjoy myself while I log in and work my hobby. I have made some friends, and have made some enemies.

If this thread were an episode of Super Troopers, Deien, you would be Farva.

To quote Urban Dictionary on you.

Farva - adj.
A large male, 20-30. Under the impression that facial hair is cool, Styx is still together, and has a miserable temper. Truly a sad character, trying to fit in with a group.

Please ensue with lamer.net pwned pictures as I can't get there reliably with this damn 56k :(

Ok, to stop Hikek's incessant tells to Dashmoo and myself, crying about his name being used in that fanta shokata movie, 5 pages back, I am posting an appology.

Now please stop fucking sending me tells. LolZ

'As much as I dislike RIP and their tactics, I don't think ANYONE should EVER get loot handed to them no matter what the cicumstances'

- I can only agree.
Dignity? If a guild fucked us out of loot, I sure as hell wouldn't think of taking it from a GM.
I don't care how in the wrong the other people were.
Seriously. Dignity. On both accounts.

You're so right KMA123, so right in fact that its not really Landslide killing every fucking thing that moves in earth when the rings pop, it is in fact some other guild that merely has the same name as Landslide, and a whole ass ton of people that look JUST LIKE THEM. Because as we all know LS is dying cause they can't compete in elementals!

So anyway, as far as my opinion on the whole who got what in where what when how shit in ssra, RiP and FD both got fucked, I mean really, who wants to be in VT? After all, thats the zone people go to when they have problems falling asleep. And as for the person earlier in the post that said RiP took the low road by cockblocking everyone from killing the Emp, you obviously have had no experiance in killing in VT, because if you did then you would know that cockblocking emp is the ONLY way to ensure that someone doesn't fuck you over in VT. Cause let me tell you it would suck ass to clear for 8 hours to get to candyland and then get fucking owned because someone with a chip on their shoulder ran in and trained you with about 5 billion mobs. Anyway, just my opinion on having done VT for far too long, grats / mourn those now in there, I feel your pain.

Nihou!

"...And that was the second time I had crabs..."




With Tolerance For The Small Things...

Valarian

Lets show the entire log of the " Deal "

Tue Jun 03 20:06:11 2003] Brioma says, 'sot gets today '
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:13 2003] Lazrious tells the guild, 'yea brel, but you have to learn to roll better for ornate'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:19 2003] Brel tells the guild, 'no shit =/'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:21 2003] Brioma says, 'rip gets next one uncontested'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:24 2003] Dazzler tells sphereoffs:1, 'get a log!'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:27 2003] Dazzler has left the raid.
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:31 2003] Mohonrix tells the guild, 'rip gets next week?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:36 2003] Ibudin tells the guild, 'you guys paying attention so next time you are not asking us?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:38 2003] Praemus begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:40 2003] Quater tells the guild, '......miss panama is a winner too'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:40 2003] Malkaven tells the guild, 'ya'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:42 2003] You say, 'two days to kill'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:50 2003] Tillie tells sphereoffs:1, 'I have log on Daz'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:50 2003] Brioma says, 'with two days to kill'
[Tue Jun 03 20:06:55 2003] I don't see anyone by that name around here...
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:00 2003] Malkaven tells the guild, 'we get tommarow too'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:02 2003] Brioma says, 'I will mark it on my calender if i have to'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:07 2003] Psychoo tells the guild, 'you know what would be devilishli cleaver?, if we convinced CB to go for emp when its rips turn'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:08 2003] Sythevicious tells the group, 'hmm RiP gonna watch us then?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:09 2003] Brioma says, 'i have just one question'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:10 2003] You say, 'nah dont think we will ned that'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:11 2003] Ibudin tells sphereoffs:1, 'im going to push CB to kill emp then'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:19 2003] You say, 'vt is part of the deal too '
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:19 2003] Allamar tells the guild, 'lol'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:19 2003] Ganni tells the guild, 'does she know uncontested for two days? or she thinking uncontested till killed?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:20 2003] Rebaljr tells the guild, 'heh'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:21 2003] Graelmon tells sphereoffs:1, 'lol'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:24 2003] Crovax tells the guild, 'ok ..I'd have to be an unfair judge:( '
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:29 2003] Brioma says, 'they wont come til after aug 1 ?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:31 2003] Zeremus begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:42 2003] You say, 'nod'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:46 2003] Malse says, 'We will not contest SoT in Vex Thal until August 1st'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:56 2003] Brioma says, 'okay'
[Tue Jun 03 20:07:58 2003] You say, 'if we are leaveing it up then malse and i will work somethng out'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:02 2003] Brioma says, 'so what about other guilds ?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:05 2003] You say, 'i am not concerned atm'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:10 2003] Kelraz says, 'they can go to another server =P'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:11 2003] Berren says, 'and we alternate shot at emp pops until one of us is done with emp'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:11 2003] Klaena begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:12 2003] You say, 'i dont think anyoneclose yet'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:15 2003] Klawz says, 'lol'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:21 2003] Klaena begins to cast a spell.
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:24 2003] Brioma says, 'okies :) '
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:24 2003] Almightie tells the guild, 'what happened to 2 people talking'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:25 2003] The healing chorus fades away.
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:25 2003] You say, 'correct rip?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:28 2003] Almightie tells the guild, 'RIP = teh suck'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:32 2003] Brioma says, 'or anyone who can is already gone :) '
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:33 2003] You say, 'i am not sure whois working on it atm'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:38 2003] Aurelios tells the guild, 'we all put you on ignore..'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:40 2003] Kelraz says, 'Final Destiny is close, but you guys will be done by then ... so we'll worry about them'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:40 2003] Orgrimm tells the guild, 'Malse is the guy that made the deal?'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:41 2003] Klawz says, 'dont think any have near enough'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:46 2003] You say, 'ok'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:49 2003] You say, 'deal is set then'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:51 2003] Berren says, 'if another guild kills emp.. just dont count that spawn'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:53 2003] Brioma says, 'okay sounds good to me'
[Tue Jun 03 20:08:54 2003] You say, 'am glad to work it out'


As you can see I by the following:

[Tue Jun 03 19:55:56 2003] Malse tells you, 'ok, we are willing to agree that we will not contest SoT in Vex Thal until August and that this emperor spawn is yours provided that the next one is ours and we rotate, with no contesting at all, after that until such time as one of us is no longer interesed in the emperor'


Thats the deal reached on EMP.

The arguement they layed out to me in late July was " if your not there we arent contesting"

I leave that all to you to decide, IMO. If that was the case they would have been there everyday we were not. However, they choose to break the agreement by going all ANON and doing it while Brioma is on vacation.

Grats FD on EMP and more rifts. I hope you always watch your back on any deals reached with certain guilds.

I am just happy we are elemental now and can deal with situations more as adults.

I'm sorry about all that...My boys just get all antsy in their pantsies.

Or conversely:

How to train Arch Magi Crato on someone with the patented "woops!" excuse.

just got to remember, no matter where you go, people will be willing to dick you over, and the only way to ensure you don't get screwed is to either show up way earlier than them, or cockblock their asses from ever getting a shot in the first place. Emp is the prime example, or if a guild were particularly crazy, rz or solro could also substitute. All in all, don't complain when you get screwed, instead you should learn from it and make sure you've got the upper hand the next time around (though I suppose the definition of "upper hand" would depend on someones moral values...heh).

The question that hasn’t been answered is ‘Was there any attempt to come to an agreement?” It appears FD was in talks with the GM about coming up with a compromise.

If not it looks like a good lesson has been learned. I’m sure if RiP said lets roll for it and FD lost they would have left. But to engage the Blood Golem before the Emp had spawned and hold it for 36 minutes just to try and prevent FD from entering VT, well that just childish.

Does RiP really fear FD that much? And if RiP’s whole purpose was to cockblock then they really didn’t gimp shit. It’s not like they haven’t killed the Emp already.

Should the GM have just given FD the rifts, well I think not instead he should have just repoped the zone and allowed them to kill the Emp. It’s not like they would have failed anyways. Because if RiP had thought they could fail, they wouldn’t have taken the low road. And because the GM did decide his actions where just, then obviously RiP did something wrong.

Speaking of childish FD has never bashed people on their home page. No matter what the truth on this story is. I’d be embarrassed to be a member of RiP for that one.

I guess the next time these two guilds meet in Ssra there will be some efforts to come to an agreement about the spawn.

Farva - adj.
A large male, 20-30. Under the impression that facial hair is cool, Styx is still together, and has a miserable temper. Truly a sad character, trying to fit in with a group.



must be talking about your self there

Hey Dart, I have a question for ya. Were you born stupid or do you have to work at it? I must say, this is quite entertaining. I wish I had ALL day to spend on the internet, coming up with endless links to websites, busting on people and pretty much being an ass. However, I do have a life and responsibilities and the sad thing is, people like yourself take the fun out of a game really fast. OH how I would SO like to be you.....NOT! Get a life loser and get over yourself and stop crying.

Deien, RiP wants to keep emp to themselves because like everyone else that did VT before them they know that 1 emp kill does not a VT raid force make. As long as they can prevent other people from getting anymore emp kills they can virtually keep VT to themselves, providing one of the guilds that was in there beforehand ( LS / SoT / IvM / EW ) doesn't go in to off aten for "ze phatz". And personally speaking, rolling for the rights to something like the emperor is a load of bullshit, waiting for hours on end every 6 days only to be forced to roll agianst someone that just showed up is completely unfair to the people that were waiting forever. Anyway, the concern between RiP and FD no longer lies with the Emp (presuming that FD has made another 40 keys with the rifts they were given), it now lies in VT, and for gods sake I can only hope for the both of them they come to some cival agreement because VT is NOT the kind of place you want people training you.

SIGH

Again I must extend RiP's apologies for Deien's post. I haven't seen him in game yet to have a chat with him.

If this problem persists, please contact me in game or via my email.

They dont' just repop Ssra because someone got beaten to a mob...

If they did i'd go in to ssra and be like " oMG SOt b4at Uz te teh CURzed!! " so I could farm the bitch until we got a few dozen bf's, heh.

Stinks like sex in here.

Nice posts Brel, explained lots of stuff i wanted to say. =P

OUCH!! AHH HAHAHHA WOOOOO GOOOD ENOUGH TO FUCK YOUR MOTHER! HAHAHA

Bulletproof cup.. heh I invented that gag.

BUT IN MY DAY WE USED BLANKS!

You're one sick son of a bitch Mac.

How ya feeling there Mack?

Good enough to fuuuuuuuuuuccccck your motherrr!

I'll believe ya when me shit turns purple and smells like rainbow sherbet.

Do I really say it like that Zehn?

Don't use that boyfriend voice with me. 8(

Well now that all the evidence has been presented I suggest RIP do some serious damage control to save any face it may have left.

Solution: RIP contact FD leaders and cut a deal on sharing VT NOW , TODAY!Then post the deal for all the world to see.

If you honor the deal you get back a little respect. Another reason is you don't spend the next few month griefing each other. Also publically solving this problem in a reasonable manner sets the stage for civil agreements in the future with other guilds. As it stands now you look untrustworthy and not a guild that can be worked with. That will leave you as the odd man out for the reast of your EQ life.

And since you lost the PR war here any future complaining about some FD confrontation will fall on deft ears and be consider more crybaby action on RIP part.

So fix this now and cut a deal like alternating VT so you two have minimal contact.

Additionally, fixing it this way shows you have some balls and brains.

Good luck!

Well grats FD. Looks like cockblocking just didn't pay off that day. To me RiP is coming off like a bunch of whiny bitches.

It would be nice if this were an indicator of policy change. It sounds like the GM screwed up but GM's need to do a lot more about cockblocking. I would suggest hanging out at bottleneck mobs and start a mass sodomy session with the ban stick. At least RZtW has his own way of dealing with it...

This is fucking hilarious overall. It looks like RiP was slobbing the knob and got a shot in the mouth before they could stop sucking.

We found out something funny about Bosillo's name the other day.


Bosillo is known as the Teabag Master, okay, lotsa folks know, no huge secret.


The word Bolsillo in spanish means "little pocket" or, translated literally, "little bag".


His first name means teabag and we never knew! :lol


PS: Could that paragraph about me be moved to the top of your webpage, doubled in size, and changed to a bright text color? Everyone agrees that it is much funnier than any of the other lame ass attempts at humor on the website. :p

This is my log from the event.


[Wed Aug 13 14:53:36 2003] You told Allyisia, People keep touching me and it's making me feel funny.

Wiggo it was a joke. Brell stop bein a n00b you dumbass. yes compared to SoT, LS is still goin strong. grats you have new competition. compared to the LS of a few weeks ago they arent half the guild they used to be. SoT wasnt a pimple on LS's ass a few weeks ago so the fact that you are judging them by the standards that you n00bs judges yourselves, is testament to my arguement.

you little pussys, bitch and whine about guilds not giving you free reign after you play your lil ssra games with RiP? dont even start with that hypocritical shit. i can see SoT campin the RZ script now. rofl. with the raid number changes to RZ i dont think anyone has to worry about you reflagging more of yer zergs for the e planes. hell you owe a good portion of yer flags to ivm dont you? fuckin hypocritical little babies. eat a dick. choke on it :)

i am not taking about fd or rip or anything i am talking to dart so please i just don't like the person i never did.

We owe 6 flags for RZ to IVM. We traded some flags KMA. The rest came from our own internal kills.

lol,i almost missed work reading this today. Thx for brightening up my day.))

No problem.

ROOKIE BEEYOTCH!

The problem is we have a great Super Troopers thread going, and FD/RiP keep fucking it up by thinking anyone believes either of them. 8/

I went to go take a shit when you started, and when I came back about 30 minutes later,

Heh, no wonder you guys didnt engage first.

All EW members keep a bottle for #1 and a bag for #2 under their desk. /nod

I hear that Drizzen also uses the bag as a lunchpail.

That how they do it in Arabia?

Hi, I'll have a taco, two enchiladas and hold the guacamole!

Nihou!

"I am ALL that is MAN!"




With Tolerance For Chlorophyl Byproduct Devouring Bipeds...

Valarian

Go girlfriend, it's your birthday!

I'LL TAKE A CHINCHILLA!

I'm officially out of supertroopers lines. Fuck you all, and your shenanigans.

aww shew, come sit on uncle rabbit's lap...

Fuck it. You deal with the pig.

Good thing you didn't order hash browns.... in case... they chugged... catsup.

Hey let's pop some viagras and issue tickets with raging, mega huge boners.

i thinkw e need to bring back a certain vp video to spice this thread up.

Haha. I remember posting that video here and Logix getting her panties in a twist. Bring it back for old times sake.

www.base-nine.org/rip/rip.htm (http://www.base-nine.org/rip/rip.htm)

Note: This isn't mine, but back in the day, I suspected it would vanish, so I mirrored it.

I bet none of you knew leap frog was such a dangerous game!

Thanks Palimax!

BAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAHAHAHHAHA..thats the rip I know.



Ibudin

Not bad max, not bad =x
That just barely ahead of Jessnut's Video of the "ex-wifes" guild wiping in NToV to about ohh I dont know, 15 named dragons. =0) good times indeed RiP

Only you, Farva, know how to make a dark man blush.

Nihou!

"You better take us back to jail, before we turn into pumpkins..."



With Tolerance For Vauge Referances...

Valarian

Val just ...Smothered me in gravy you big dirty man

Val just ...Smothered me in gravy you big dirty man Talid, you sure know how to drive someone to drink.


I'LL TAKE SIX SCHLITZ'S PLEASE!

Prezto ... How's the view from sugar heaven, bitch?

It....
Is....
DELICIOUS!!!

Even if you did I'd activate my car's wings and I'd fly away.

Not bad max, not bad =x
That just barely ahead of Jessnut's Video of the "ex-wifes" guild wiping in NToV to about ohh I dont know, 15 named dragons. =0) good times indeed RiP Once again, that's not my video. I just snagged a copy of the SWF back when it first got posted.

So...your saying you're going to set my John Denver tape on fire?

<eerrakkkk> Nice wax job rook!

I LOVE ACID...

What's up Charlie's Angel?

YEAH!!! CAWWW GUINNNISSSS!

Drop your coat and grab your toes.... .... I'm gonna show you where the wild goose goes

I'm gonna butter your bread.

Shew,

I have Bobby the Baboon in lockup and he says that for 20 bananas he'll provide evidence Johnny Chimpo is the pimp that runs the Cartoon Network whorehouse.

you have a pair of underwear I could use?

embarrased like when you got caught fucking your cousing in -77 embarrased

Talid....I don't think you can fit into my panties.

HAH! Gotcha good fucker!

I'm sorry, Wiggo. These boys get that syrup in 'em, they get all antsy in their pantsy.

Let's see here I don't post much here but lets give this one a shot. And point out some facts.

1. No FD didn't kill the emp and thus didn't deserve the rifts. End of story there.

2. Yes there are people that like RIP I am one of them and no I don't give a fuck if you care or not.

3. For the raving SOT retards damn stfu and stop raving about how RIP broke the agreement. They asked Brioma if they could go in and Brioma said yes. Not to mention it was like only a week or two before August and you have elemental access.

4. Yes Super Troopers rules.

5. Of course RIP is bitching and so wouldn't any other guild. Im not going to kid anyone by bullshitting and saying that by keeping FD out of VT it produces more loot for RIP. That's only common fucking sense and what any other guild would do. Emp drops good loot for the level they are at and so does stuff in VT. Of course they are going to try to protect being in VT killing stuff after the short time they have been there. Its called fucking progression.

Normally I don't get involved in these types of discussions but this one really got on my nerves.

Davan Dragonsbane
Eternal Wrath

Davan's all pissed off. My nipples are hard. 8(

I'm going to pistol whip the next guy that says Shenanigans.

SHEW that is my favorite part of that whole movie :) ...you are a better man for using that qupote

We have no illusions about changing anyone’s mind in SoT or FD, but when such blatant lies are being thrown around about the character of our guild; we feel like we have to at least make an effort to show people the truth.

First, a few mistaken people mentioned us "kiting" Blood. Obviously, people who have probably never zoned into Ssra before and definitely never had any experience with how the Blood/Emp fight works. It's simply not possible to "kite" blood and his room. Our regular tactics for Blood/Emp do include engaging Blood on one side of the room and moving him to another spot later on. It only happens once, a tank is meleeing him the whole time, and it's just not something that could be confused with kiting.

Also, some people seem to think that maybe there was a misunderstanding about what contesting meant. Well, no, I don't think that's the case at all. From Kinens' own log:
Ganni tells the guild, 'does she know uncontested for two days? or she thinking uncontested till killed?'
You can wishy wash around on interpretation forever, but it seems very obvious to me that there was no misunderstanding about anything. That's a person in SoT worried that Brioma might have not realized contested only meant leaving mobs up a few days. Now, SoT wants to claim they didn't know contested meant that? Give me a break.

Quote from Kinens:
However, they choose to break the agreement by going all ANON and doing it while Brioma is on vacation.
I’ve already posted a screenshot of Heggen verifying that, after SoT hadn’t touched the zone for several days, it was ok with Brioma that we enter. Kinens says we waited till Brioma was on vacation, but that’s completely false. It’s not as if we’ve got a Brioma Bat Phone™ that we used to verify the agreement with her, while she was away on vacation. We spoke with her and were in VT before she left.

The bit about us going ANON when we entered is definitely the funniest part though. Kinens must have misrepresented the actual strength of that agreement to his guild. Even though they weren’t even going to touch VT, they took great pride in being able to say (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=4755.topic&index=24) they were keeping us out. When he realized that it would be obvious soon to everyone how the agreement was really set up, he personally asked Heggen to keep our VT raids quiet and go ANON. Yes, the same guy that just posted about how we were wrong for going ANON is actually the one that requested it of us.

Not surprisingly, after years of dealing with this kind of crap from SoT at every turn; we’ve all learned to screenshot anything important or leave our logs on all the time:

http://www.guildrip.com/screenshots/kinens_anon.gif

Seriously… We decided to come to a reasonable agreement with SoT over Emp and VT, in an attempt to make things work more smoothly for both guilds. Even when SoT members flaunted (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm1.showMessageRange?topicID=4755.topic&index=24) how they were keeping us out of VT, in game and on the boards; we just kept quiet and took it. Even with such gross misinformation (http://pub142.ezboard.com/fayonaerofrm6.showMessageRange?topicID=3559.topic&index=83) floating around as people thinking SoT killed Emp for us and let us loot rifts (unbelievably absurd); we held our tongues and stuck to the agreement.

Quote from Kinens:
I am just happy we are elemental now and can deal with situations more as adults.
Quotes from Kinens' guild (in just the few minutes of log he provides us here):
Psychoo tells the guild, 'you know what would be devilishli cleaver?, if we convinced CB to go for emp when its rips turn'

Ibudin tells sphereoffs:1, 'im going to push CB to kill emp then'

Almightie tells the guild, 'RIP = teh suck'
Adult indeed. Shaking our hand just to get close enough to stab us in the back with the other, if you could. And then to have the nerve to come here and talk about honestly and integrity. Right.

The bottom line is that we absolutely did not break the agreement. In fact, we even tried to help Kinens out by going ANON when we were in VT at first. Instead of him being grateful for us trying to work with him, he twisted that to make us sound like we were sneaking around.

Due to the mechanics of how VT works inside, every single guild that has been in VT on Ayonae Ro has done whatever they could to prevent the next guilds down the food chain from getting into VT until they were done with it. I guaran-damn-tee you that when we’ve left Emp and VT to FD, they’ll do everything they possibly can to prevent the next Emp-ready guild from getting two Emp kills too.

It’s a competitive game and that’s just how competition works sometimes. Of course, sometimes competition works out so that the guild who doesn't kill (or even engage) any mobs gets duped loot anyway. To me, that is just completely wrong. In a little over four years of EQ experience, I've never heard of something that lame happening at this level.

Put yourself in our shoes, with whatever mob is currently one of your primary targets. Imagine you were up against another guild for that mob. Imagine you were given GM permission to pull it. Imagine you made a clean pull, and executed a flawless kill. Now, imagine the loot you worked so hard for was duped and given to the other guild too. Can you honestly say you wouldn't be upset about that and not feel cheated by the GM?

Just one thing, you can 'kite' Blood for hours. With a decent regen rate and the ability to pay attention, Blood hits for shit and his adds are easier to handle then Shew on prom night.

I should know, I remember watching someone tank Blood for nearly an hour+ waiting for Emp to spawn.

"Ganni tells the guild, 'does she know uncontested for two days? or she thinking uncontested till killed?'"

Just to clear that quote up, she wasn't talking about VT, she was talking about Emp.

I guaran-damn-tee you that when we’ve left Emp and VT to FD, they’ll do everything they possibly can to prevent the next Emp-ready guild from getting two Emp kills too.

So, you do admit blocking us with this statement. And, btw, no we won't block the next guild. Just wait and see. I'm sorry, we won't stoop to that level. I'm sure a rotation will be worked out. Our reputation and our word means alot to us.

Shrug. Ok mok if you say so, but the fact is yes you will kill the emp to keep others out of VT and you want to know why? The answer is that the emp drops damn good loot and that loot helps your guild gear up more. Also by keeping others out of VT your guild gears up faster and thus moving up the great tier of guild progression. Every guild has taken steps one way or another to keep ahead of the game and FD is no diffrent. Don't give the high and mighty reply of saying our rep means the world to us when you know its bullshit. =p I like to think myself as a nice guy and get along with most of the server so please dispense with the buillshit when everyone has fought in Ntov, Sssraa, VT, etc knows what you say is the biggest croc of shit in the world.

Sanchek just owned all you little SoT bitches with real information.

Bottom line is no guild is a perfect angel. Some are worse than others. As someone else pointed out, isn't it funny how most guilds have nothing but bad dealings with SoT and CB? I can't wait til SoT starts going after FR before CB has even gotten a kill under their belt.

Sanchek didnt own shit. He miss qouted the 2 day uncontested emperor ordeal thinking it ment VT. I would bet Sanchek wasnt even on the raids when we had dealings with RIP in SSRA to begin with. Elementals are a whole different animal ...really no races for any mobs in and in most cases lots to choose from.

Quoted me saying I will ask CB to off emperor on the times we cant do it..never happened but sure was a good thought for the numerous hours of ingame BS RiP pulls constantly to guilds on this server.

Post your ingame name SHAtrius so I can put the ignorance to the character.


Ibudin

1 falsehood will destroy 1000 truths. Sad as that may sound it only takes once for someone to be dishonest before it ruins their "word" for any future indevours. IMO if RIP has a bad name its cause you gave it to yourselves. Say what you want in response to all this but to me i wont be able to believe you because of the actions i have witnessed from the past, you along with everyone else can disagree or agree but no matter what logs you throw up or screen shots its not gonna matter because all that can falsified, and like i said above i dont trust the word of RiP :) . If RiP was worried about their rep perhaps the actions they choose to handle things by in the past should have been tweeked different. With that said Have fun with the other 2 guilds in VT :)

Every guild has taken steps one way or another to keep ahead of the game and FD is no diffrent.

Yeah, i guess that statement WOULD justify your actions. I'm sure there have been a few other guilds in the past that share.

Don't give the high and mighty reply of saying our rep means the world to us when you know its bullshit.

No, its not bullshit. I'm very proud of my guild. :)

Mok, you realize that the qoutes you just qouted are from one of the tanks in EW right? So how exactly does that "justify his actions"? He's not even involved in the mess save for 3 posts on this thread.

Lets not forget that Davan has real life family in RiP so will most likely come down on their side, no matter how dishonest and decietful RiP is known to be.

Mok, you realize that the qoutes you just qouted are from one of the tanks in EW right? So how exactly does that "justify his actions"?

oops, sorry about that, I didn't see any sig. I just assumed he was from them. Again, i apologize

Mok, you realize that the qoutes you just qouted are from one of the tanks in EW right? So how exactly does that "justify his actions"? He's not even involved in the mess save for 3 posts on this thread.

HAHAH,i thought he was in RIP too.Guess he's just a fan or something.

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Stop fucking derailing our super troopers quote thread.

What are you going to do with ten million dollars, and you can't say buy the Cleveland Cavaliers.

Just gimmie tha damn soap !!!
Real funny Farva.

Good post Sanchek. One I can and will retaliate.

You all ready were in VT before Heggen talked with me. I can post the entire log if you like. You all ready were anon and trying to be all stealthy. All I did was tell Heggen to remain that way until he and I could discuss it further with Brioma.

I did this as to not have MORE hard feelings and stress on both sides. Never once did I tell Heggen or anyone in RIP have at VT. On the contary I can not control who does what in this game. All I have tried to do was minimize the bull shit.

Let me figure out how to post a ss :( . One where your own members express how they are breaking the agreement but its hush hush.

Next time be bold and just hit the zone you want and fight for what you will. First come first serve. The guild with the force gets the kill. I can almost gaurentee most guilds on Aro agree with that statement out of respect for one another.

Then again , your precious RIP would never ever do anything underhanded like ..........o how about kill AOW after someone triggers.

So glad we are in elementals where people and guilds atleast try to work things out and atleast show some respect.

In the interest of watching a good nag grow, feel free to email me any EQ related pictures you'd like hosted to palimax@base-nine.org

First, a few mistaken people mentioned us "kiting" Blood. Obviously, people who have probably never zoned into Ssra before and definitely never had any experience with how the Blood/Emp fight works. It's simply not possible to "kite" blood and his room. Our regular tactics for Blood/Emp do include engaging Blood on one side of the room and moving him to another spot later on. It only happens once, a tank is meleeing him the whole time, and it's just not something that could be confused with kiting.

Perhaps 'kiting' is the wrong word to use. But unless your 'tactics' included attacking the golem before the Emp has spawned and holding it for 36 then your statement is false. This would also mean you attack the golem first when not contested for the kill.

I do agree that rolling for a mob where you have waited a long time for is bullshit. But unless 'Being there first' is better defined this is the only 'fair' compromise. And just think if they did decide to role then a tread intended to bash FD would not have become a 'RiP sucks' and Super Troopers Rocks thread.

I wonder if RiP officers asked their members to stay off the boards about this incident and why…

Ok I have stayed away from this buts lets face reality people RIP has a bunch of dis-honorable people and they all defend there lack of honor by getting enough of there own members to say they are honorable .
Fact: your actions have proven time and time again you are a dis-honorable guild and make to attempt to change that .
Fact: Your guild got such a bad reputation that you were 1 strike away from being disbanded because of such actions as stealing triggered spawns training etc etc ..
Fact: you changed leadership becuase your guild had such a bad rep and you thought everyone would think better of you if you changed leaders which worked on the GM's only as they seem to have removed the 2 strikes your guild had against you .
Fact: how you are percieved by others is in reality how honorable you are and from the posts and posts of people who do not have realitives in your guild like a certain clown from another guild or are not in your guild you are not an honorable guild .
Fact : say all you want about SOT or for that matter EW or CB or Landslide these are all honorable guilds where training or leapfrogging is not done and communication is used and honorable solutions are found for everything hence the reason we backflag there members and they backflag our members .
If I am incorrect here please feel free to hold a poll on honorable guilds and let the votes decide .
I agree FD should not have recieved the shards because they did not kill blood or EMP however the guide /GM should have despawned blood until a solution was found not just let you run by a first in force that being FD and zone in while they were discussing with a guide/GM . Yeh remember you did that to SOT before also and wiped on emp because we refused to roll for a spawn we were clearly there first in force for .


Nategray
Shaman of SOT

In response to RiP's policy regarding the Nag board, I've simply copied and pasted that part of our charter:

Rest in Peace members do not get into any arguments with other guilds on the Ayonae Ro boards. Any response to a thread involving Rest in Peace should be dealt by the officers.

Kaerila
Officer
Rest in Peace

So glad we are in elementals where people and guilds atleast try to work things out and atleast show some respect.

These same guilds were fighting over the same nonsense when we were contesting Emp. It isn't one guild is an ass and one isn't. Every guild is made up of many individuals, some cool, some shady. However, Sony designed these encounters in such a way that blocking one guild from content is possible. Thus, making the blocking guild bad guys, and teaching the guild that is being blocked how to block when they finally are in a position to. Luclin is a time sink with poorly designed encounters.

The E planes has enough nice loot dropping mobs to entertain several guilds at once. However, these same E plane require larger raid forces and hardcore players that don't burn out when things become too hard or too boring.

FD, aquire those rifts on your own merits, I personally, wouldn't want one that was handed to me. Much more rewarding to accomplish things yourselves then have awards handed to you. You will own Emp. RiP knows that, you all know that...everyone reading this board I would imagine believe that. Just keep at it, and try to keep your cool.



:evil

Is that caption about me going to be removed anytime soon? As much as I enjoy you making your guild look like it is run by assholes, it is saddening that lies about me are put up on a (I'm guessing) fairly well visited website. RiP has some good folks in it that I'm sure hate to see their front page containing that kind of shit, especially when it only causes problems. Even if it was true, why would yo put that on your front page?


Is an officer going to reply to me or not about that?

Posted by request. Not my file. Only providing hosting space.

http://www.base-nine.org/images/RIP.jpg

DOCTORED SCREENSHOTS ROCK!

The funny thing was, that when Kelraz said that, it was in response to something else.

The 'If you guys can keep a secret...' was more a joke, since we'd been talking about RiP and SoT and being in Vex Thal awhile before that. I didn't know shit about that agreement until I heard if in that conversation (notice that part is missing :p ). But notice how I did comment on the agreement. And when Kel said 'We kinda screwed SoT over a bit' that was in response to what I said about the agreement screwing over RiP a bit, but that part is missing. So unless -someone- randomly has some of my text on ignore, but not all of it...I feel pretty safe to say ; that is a doctored picture.

Talid about your comments, as I've already talked to you in-game about this and its still brought up...

I've told you LoTJ is not going to VT as a guild, or if any members will go at all (its their choice)

Killing Emperor was a simple goal for a few people, that was help achieved by the help of a few landslide members that also had the same goal. (to kill Emp)

There is and never will be an agreement between LS and LoTJ in any form, they are not giving us rifts, because ... we don't want them!

So like, stfu already about stuff you don't know about.

Talid tells bard:1, 'They're giving all rifts to LOTJ.'

You will most likely never have to worry about competing with lotj in VT. Because we are not going to VT or EmpSsra. The timesink kills alot of the guildies and most of them don't have time for it. There was an alliance set up for some of the lotj members who wanted to kill EmpSsra with Landslide members who wanted to kill more of EmpSsra. Landslide didn't really give us rifts... we worked for them. Farmed bane for hours and farmed keys for lotj and some Ls who didnt have it atm. We didnt feed on Ls, we all worked just as hard together. The one time we killed empssra, there was 20 Landslide members and 14 Lotj members. Ls couldnt have done it without us (unless they called more people to come) and we couldn't have dont it without them. I also want to add that there were many Landslide members there that needed the rifts as well, there was no mooching, crying or bitching involved in over who gets what.. because there was plenty to go around.. and then some.

Firstly, Riely ! You know I hold no ill will towards you, I love you like the gay brother I don't have :p . I do however strongly dislike the decisions made by the leader ship of your guild. But to say there was no agreement is bullshit, and we both know that. There was an agreement made for LoTJ to flag LS members in return for runes and eventually a shot at Ssra/VT shit that the Leadership of LoTJ didn't want to do...gogo being different for the sake of being different.

Also, this screenshot was from before I spoke to you about that, giving you a rough idea of how old this is...before this thread existed, at least.

We didnt feed on Ls, we all worked just as hard together. The one time we killed empssra, there was 20 Landslide members and 14 Lotj members. Ls couldnt have done it without us (unless they called more people to come) and we couldn't have dont it without them.

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Hi!

There was an agreement made for LoTJ to flag LS members in return for runes and eventually a shot at Ssra/VT shit that the Leadership of LoTJ didn't want to do
There was no agreement for Emperor and VT with LS.

One more thing: Currently the guild's official decision is to skip Emperor/VT completely.
That doesn't mean that Joker members won't try to kill Emperor along with other guild but you won't see LoTJ killing Emp in our official raidtimes.

Killing Emp Ssra and the flagging agreement were two completely different things.

LotJ has no interest in doing emp&vt as a guild. Doesn't mean some of our people weren't/aren't interested in doing them.

So, that's who's been leaking all the spawn info! Even though that's obviously a doctored screenshot, I still can't imagine why he would have said any of that to being with.

The Emperor spawn he's talking about was July 31st. Our first Emperor kill was on June 10th. Our first VT run was on July 23rd. It's pretty damn unlikely we'd been killing in VT 4 days after our first Emperor kill, much less that we'd killed anything without SoT noticing.

It should be noted that Kelraz is not an officer or huntmaster in guild, but merely a very loony member. He doesn't represent us, although his actions do reflect on us. All I know is he's got some explaining to do :>





Earlier, Kinens said:

You all ready were in VT before Heggen talked with me. I can post
the entire log if you like. You all ready were anon and trying to
be all stealthy. All I did was tell Heggen to remain that way until
he and I could discuss it further with Brioma.


Once again, we were /anon at your request. Like most other higher end guilds, we run around under /role most of the time. More importantly, despite several SoT officers knowing we were in VT for almost 3 days, no raid force of SoT ever showed up. Per the agreement, we would have left if they had.

It didn't take a rocket scientest to know that eventually, SoT was going to be spending more time in the Elemental planes than Luclin. That's why the "not contest" was in there, we both knew that sooner or later Emperor Ssraeshza and Vex Thal wouldn't be sufficiently interesting. SoT's last Emperor kill was in early July. Since the 23rd, SoT hasn't killed a single mob in Vex Thal to my knowledge.

Sounds to me like both guilds got exactly what they wanted out of the agreement, which was less fighting each other and more fighting Luclin mobs with way too many HP. I don't see why you want present us as having broken it, since we never contested you in Vex Thal and asked you in advance about each Emperor spawn that would have been yours until well after you'd stopped going to Ssra.





I wonder if RiP officers asked their members to stay off the boards
about this incident and why.


We do, but not specifically about this. We don't believe that random flaming on NAG accomplishes anything but inflaming pre-existing situations. This policy is thankfully shared by a few other guilds on our server, which is why you see a noticable lack of responses from many of the guilds we have good relations with.

As an example of baseless bitching we'd love to see less of, Nategray's post --


Fact: Your guild got such a bad reputation that you were 1 strike away from bein
g disbanded because of such actions as stealing triggered spawns training etc et
c ..
Fact: you changed leadership becuase your guild had such a bad rep and you thoug
ht everyone would think better of you if you changed leaders which worked on the
GM's only as they seem to have removed the 2 strikes your guild had against you
.


is completely untrue.

Rest in Peace has never had any soulmarks or other "bad marks" against us. Please consult with your local GM if you wish to verify that. In addition, all of our officers including the guild leader are democratically elected, so yes, they do change from time to time, and it has nothing to do with trying to hide something from a GM. I don't quite follow why you think that would affect their opinion of anything to being with, they certainly aren't going to think it's a whole new guild because one person changed rank.


If I am incorrect here please feel free to hold a poll on honorable
guilds and let the votes decide .



If you want to submit "honor" to the court of public opinion, you don't need a poll. Just look at the last 20 pages of NAG threads. Everyone has a little dirt on their hands. RiP has certainly done things people wouldn't consider nice -- Vision members apparently still hate us for killing Dozekar before them almost two years ago (I can't imagine what else Palimax and Thana harbor so much vitriol over. We haven't seen Vision or Vallis Aspectus raiding in the same zones in quite some time).

There isn't a raiding guild on our server that is innocent of playing hardball at times. You could build a laundry list a mile long of what X said Y did to Z. It wouldn't accomplish anything except making people argue.

And of those arguing, the people that are raging against RiP here are -- big surprise! -- those we've never really gotten along with, all of whom are comically guilty of doing anything we're accused of and worse.

I suppose it's useless to try and remind the "I like pie" crowd that this is still entirely tangential to the GM duping a bunch of rifts.


PS: Toothy, Sanchek says "no" but notes we plan to update the news page soon.

Well yeah, I can't put it any better way than Talid has. I'll admidt I said all of that stuff, but if it was in that order I dunno and if that was ALL that was said in that conversation I'd have to deny. Pity the part saying that we were in Vex Thal for a month and a half looks not nearly as incriminating when the explaination that our officers were checking Vex Thal kinda daily (for a month and a half, who would have thought) and then corresponding with SoT's leadership to make sure they weren't intending (which often they replied they were) to enter VT and kill the mobs pointed out left up by our membership. We were never banned from entering Vex Thal as was implied earlier in the conversation as well by the person who took these pictures (I believe) either. Discussion on SoT's leadership also was removed apparently.

I am however appaled that people I'd concider friends, and people that have at one time had my respect and those I'd recommended on occasions to friends as a skilled member of my class. People that I spend hours poking fun at not only their guild but mine, hours conversing about random Everquest bullshit and having fun (imagine that, in a game no less) would get to the point where they'd take stuff a friend of theirs said over a period of a few hours (or maybe days, who knows at this point it was so long ago) and twist it all around to try to discredit them on a public message board. I hope it was worth it.

And just to make sure no one takes any offense to any of the other various comments ... Landslide I wasn't afraid of them getting an Emp kill because they already had the keys to do VT (so could compete with us anyway if they wanted to), LotJ I wasn't afraid of getting 40 shards because time has shown that 40 shards isn't really enough to get a raid force into Vex Thal (but if you got 2, then I'd be worried!), and the same goes for Kaze, no hard feelings toward the guild in any way other than in the nature of competition. Fear not, if any of you befriend me I won't screenshot your entire conversation with me, twist it around, and post it here on this message board.

I appologize to any language critics ... that's pretty shitty english right there :) Hopefully you get the jist.

dosnt surprise me in the least.i still recall quite vividly, the DKP points they awarded for training vision, to get to DoZ. P

Thanks Allamar.

But let us handle the real police work. But hey, listen, when you guys get shut down you come see me. I could use a good meter maid.

Changing from Super Troopers - to Office Space.

Prezto...There was nothing wrong with it...until that no-talent ass clown became famous and started winning Grammys.

not a quote but !
back up your ass with the ressurection

you know who else forced people to wear decorative peices of flair.... the NAZIS!

The points for training Vision was a joke. There would be captions next to the points, and that was what was put down for that night.

and omfg Oip, you butchered that quote.

"The nazi's ahd pieces of flair that they made the jews wear."

Hey it's Talid, the guy who trained us for not giving him PoP flags.

'I do however strongly dislike the decisions made by the leader ship of your guild.'

- Oh how little you know, kid. If you did know a single thing, actually, you'd realise not a single person from Joker leadership was involved in the LS/Joker Ssra hunting. Not a single one. Why? Because it's not a direction we want to take our guild. However, some members - roughly 14 I think - still wanted to see/kill Emp Ssra. It's not something we can stop them from doing. So a few dedicated people of the bunch contacted some LSers who missed Landslide's VT runs and wanted to go there, and they made an alliance to kill Emp and see VT.
Had not a single thing to do with either LS or Joker leadership.

'There was an agreement made for LoTJ to flag LS members in return for runes and eventually '

- Aww. Still bitter over us not flagging you? That's right, we HAD an agreement with Landslide regarding PoP flags. Something friendly between Euro guilds. But there's no eventually, despite what you wish there was. The only thing we've done in connection to Landslide is back-flagging their members for runes. Anything else is down to what our members wish to do with their free time (aka Emp Ssra).

Anything else your childish mind wishes to cook up that needs explaining? Good. Now sit in the corner, be quiet, and watch the bigger boys talk. You twat.

LOTJ is like the class A farm club for LS anyway...who cares if they work together.

yup, that was a really funny joke,just love how you ran past us, training up Aeing wurms in the middle of resing from a wipe.all in the attempt to leapfrog over for DoZ.
then Gloating on your website, for doin it.
yeah that sure was funny.P

Because you know how Vision guildchat stayed completely clean of talking shit about other guilds right?

and watch the bigger boys talk

Someone from LotJ referring to themselves as a big boy, that's fucking priceless.

That's right, we HAD an agreement with Landslide regarding PoP flags. Something friendly between Euro guilds.

Varulv told me you called it "Operation deztroy zee Ahmerichans!" :lol :

We didnt feed on Ls, we all worked just as hard together. The one time we killed empssra, there was 20 Landslide members and 14 Lotj members. Ls couldnt have done it without us (unless they called more people to come) and we couldn't have dont it without them.

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Shewdogg where you even there when we killed empssra??? No you weren't. We worked several mini-raids to get everyone keyed that wanted to kill EmpSsra, If you attened every group/miniraid it prob adds up to 50+ hours and thats not including bane farming. And it wasnts just lotj we did the keys for, we did it for all of LS that didnt have key and for 2 alts (i think it was 2). I highly doubt that with all the 20 people LS had they would have taken empssra alone without us.

I just want to give a big FUCK YOU to whoever sent in that screenshot. Way to undermine a great and very useful channel you cocksmoking cumbucket.

BAHAHAHA

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So sad the Bard channel is broken :(

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you bet your sweet ass, your guild at the time was called every foul word under the sun, with damn good reason after doing that BS.
the real funny thing was, before that happened.most in the guild thought your guild was a good guild that could be worked with.
we were way off target on that one. P
but i guess you must have seen the light,since your sporting a new guild tag now. :)

I just want to give a big FUCK YOU to whoever sent in that screenshot. Way to undermine a great and very useful channel you cocksmoking cumbucket. Come on, that channel is like Oprah. I'm suprised that Dr. Phil doesn't have it set for autojoin.

this is rediculous we are arguing over one person's opinion to the next. RiP im sorry but yes you have proven to me you are dishonest and nothing you say here will i ever feel i will able to trust. It might not be your guild as a whole that has destroyed that trust but perhaps one or two members, but the bottom line is i cant and wont trust your guild as a whole, as wont a lot on this server it seems. Of course these are opinions and just as it seems no one can sway from one side of the conversation to the next nothing is going to get done
:( . People play differently and have different opinions as to the rules of engagement and guild raiding. But honestly this argument is getting petty and sad and shouldnt continue unless we just want to end it with a STFU to every reply about this.

No! Not again! Why does it say paper jam when there is no paper jam! I swear to God one of these days I'm just going to kick this piece of shit out of the window.

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Shewdogg where you even there when we killed empssra??? No you weren't. We worked several mini-raids to get everyone keyed that wanted to kill EmpSsra, If you attened every group/miniraid it prob adds up to 50+ hours and thats not including bane farming. And it wasnts just lotj we did the keys for, we did it for all of LS that didnt have key and for 2 alts (i think it was 2). I highly doubt that with all the 20 people LS had they would have taken empssra alone without us.

Yeah clearly Shewdogg has no idea what it is like to kill "empssra" as you call him.

Thana's angst isn't over a 2 year old incident with dozekar, but over the continued demonstration that is how your guild works.

you wanted dozekar, your members "accidently" trained people to clear them out.

RiP took AOW when vision killed the idol and the statue.

RiP killed idol and sat for 3 hours stalling while waiting for more people to log on, claiming, they initiated script, they get the 1st shot, and would petition anyone who tried otherwise on a couple of occassions.

RiP wanted KT so they trained entire guards and kt on us as we were pulling.

RiP wanted BoT minni-boss that was already engaged, RiP trains to get it.

RiP sees 50 fd people sitting in emp room for several hours, runs 15 people up, tells gm they were there first and should have equal shot, insisting on a roll for the spawn.

These are just off the top of my head, I'm certain there's plenty of other instances I could come up with to explain my dislike for your guild as a whole, but then, I'm sure you will be stating that none of this ever happened in a couple of posts, and that I'm delusional, and or whatever other name that you chose to call me.

Arch Lich Thana