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akipt
03-28-2008, 11:55 PM
Watch it before some jihadi threatens to behead everyone working for google like they did the original host (http://www.liveleak.com/view?i=ee4_1206625795).

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=3369102968312745410&q=fitna+video&total=1335&start=0&num=10&so=0&type=search&plindex=1

Religion of peace!

Jedd Corpse
03-29-2008, 12:08 AM
I could probably make a better one about Christianity with Sony Vegas and footage from Kingdom of Heaven.

The majority of crazy murderous Muslims are Sunni Wahabi's. However the Majority of Muslims are not crazy murderers.

I could also make a Muslim Oscar award winning documentary, with images of Israel's actions, and how the Jews feel about everyone else.

Lleauric
03-29-2008, 01:02 AM
Always beware of translations from Quran into English.

It isnt precise, and people have been know to play fast and lose, subbing what word they feel is close enough to make their point.

MEMRI is a great example of this. Basically becoming a political tool for Likud party and US Neo Cons. It is dangerous in that MEMRI has used millions in funding from these groups to set itself up as a gatekeeper of information from the Muslim world.

Anyway.. the film was clumsy and hamfisted, a blatant attempt by a moron to try to get other morons angry and try his hardest to provoke said morons into some action, in order to increase his own power and influence.

Here is a review that sums it up pretty well


Geert Wilders' Islamophobic Farce

Ali Eteraz

Posted March 27, 2008 | 05:14 PM (EST)

I just watched Dutch right-winger, Geert Wilders' film, Fitna, The Movie. He had promised it to be too shocking, too frightening, too disturbing and much of the world was holding its breath in morbid, anxious, wait for its release. The media feared rabid violence by those Muslims.

My initial reaction is a yawn. No surprise, of course. The soundtrack is Tchaikovsky's mellow classical piece called "Arab Dance." Quick tip to future demagogues: when trying to incite riots, try not to use musical pieces that are based on Georgian lullabies. Quick tip to future Islamophobes: when trying to demonize Islam, try not to use elements of Western culture that are inspired by Arabs and Muslims as that reveals that Muslims have something positive to contribute to the world.

Anyone who has seen terrorist propaganda films is familiar with most of the scenes and most of the disgusting conflations of the Quran with acts of violence, murder, kidnapping and anti-Semitism. Such behavior has been condemned resoundingly among Muslims. Those that use the Quran for illegitimate and criminal ends should be punished by the fullest extent of the law.

What I'm really wondering: is Wilders' protesting against Islam or the monopoly extremists already have over grainy, low-budget, YouTube videos? The only difference I see is that Wilders plays the best of Western classical music -- an insult to the legacy of Tchaikovsky -- than death chants. I guess the thing he can be credited with is upping the sound quality. Also the transubstantiation of "Fitna" into "Fin" at the end was pretty cool.

The rest of the film is a mixture of conflating the most painful and heart-wrenching images from terror-strikes with extremist imams, in an effort to turn the entirety of Islam into a demonic edifice. This is neither new, nor interesting. It is a facile trick for facile minds. Cartoons show more a more subtle grasp of the human condition.

What the film really shows to me is that when it comes to challenging Islamism, Wilders is completely lost. He reminds me of those socially awkward, marginalized, introverted children in a school-yard whose solution to persecution at the hands of a bully is to write the bully's name in his notebook and then rip up the page.

If Wilders really wanted to expose Islamism -- the entire legacy of 20th century ideological Islam -- he would start with how the French Suez Canal Company funded the Muslim Brotherhood's first mosque. That fact is casually mentioned in Hasan al-Banna's autobiography (which I am certain Wilders bothered to consult). Or Wilders would have tried to begin some criminal proceeding in the international criminal courts against those men who came up with the genius idea of encouraging disaffected Arab youth into going into Afghanistan and then gave them $1 billion in machine guns, bombs and stinger missiles to play with. Or Wilders could have expressed some outrage over the drafters of the new Iraqi constitution -- drafted in consultation with Western lawyers -- which makes Sharia the law of the land (a fact bemoaned by Iraqi feminists).

But Wilders isn't actually serious about challenging Islamism. He is concerned only about multiplying the number of times his name is pinged on Google. Couldn't he have taken solace in the fact that his name is pinged more than mine?

I can't be sure how the Islamist demagogues will spin this film. Presumably some of them will consider this a kind of frontal assault against their idiocy -- idiots recognize one another -- and begin agitations which the media will be too happy to cover. However, the fact is, a majority of Muslims are going to react to this film with the same kind of casual shrug of the shoulders that it deserves. If there are Muslims who wish to protest -- and I really don't see why its even necessary -- my advice for them is to emulate Hossein Nouri. He is the paraplegic painter who, during the Danish Cartoon Fiasco, painted a portrait of the Virgin Mary in front of the Danish embassy. Here is a picture of his marvelous work.

In terms of sheer originality, though, the best response to this film came from a friend of mine who watched the film -- and calling it a film is to abuse both the English language and the legacy of cinema -- on my computer with me.

"I could have masturbated in that time."

Here is a link to the painting that the article mentions.. be prepared to be shocked, insulted, and infuriated at his treatment of a Christian holy icon.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/g/a/2006/02/13/dip.DTL&o=7

velvetsilence
03-29-2008, 01:10 AM
idiots recognize one another

Perfect.

Jedd Corpse
03-29-2008, 01:17 AM
I like this well thought out response from the Dutch Prime Minister.

Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende said in a statement that "the vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence."

"In fact, the victims are often also Muslims. We therefore regret that Mr. Wilders has released this film. We believe it serves no purpose other than to cause offense."


The Muslim response has also been very calm, with the exception of a death threat here or there

And a spokesman for the Amsterdam police said Friday that the force was on alert and that extra officers would be on the streets in Muslim neighborhoods this weekend.

Before Friday's midday call to prayer, police were busy contacting imams to gauge reaction at the city's 50 mosques. But as of late Friday, reaction there appeared muted.

"They were all disgusted by the film, but so far there isn't a big explosion," said police spokesman Arnold Aben. "In fact, it's quieter than usual here today. Sort of like a holiday."

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-film29mar29,1,571748.story

Rover
03-29-2008, 02:01 AM
"the vast majority of Muslims reject extremism and violence."


That is very true, just as much as the vast majority of Americans reject the actions of the Bush/Cheney fiasco known as operation Iraqi Freedom.

BTW....that Surge sure seems to be working out some of its....ummmm kinks.

Nekko1
03-29-2008, 06:59 PM
Perfect.


LMAO sooo true,. Anyway those crazy Dutch crack me up they got some balls to say do whatever they want and kept printing. Its either a great PR campaign to sell papers or or the later.

Id like to have a few pints with them.