The release of this info is something I've been harping on about our Administration for years now.

Things they have done and stopped and to be honest I felt they should've released. I understand that they needed to keep info, and more importantly how they gained said info, secret so they could harvest more cells. But it didn't make it any less frustrating to hear folks here and abroad bitch that nothing has been done.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,184324,00.html

I fully expect the usual folks to discredit these reports. But it makes for an interesting read regardless.

For those of you disliking the Fox link here's another
http://edition.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/02/09/bush.terror.ap/

I think we're about to see info released on alot of Dem's big hit list. Of course it's all posturing and I wonder at the timing...

Fandros

Citing the Padilla case isn't very convincing to anyone familiar with the particulars -- especially the administration's backtracking as the case came closer to SCOTUS review. Hopefully the more recent alleged attack attempts were more substantial, reflecting serious detective work and cooperation with other nations.


I recently read something interesting about bin Laden's last message. His invitation for a truce resulted in a lot of eye-rolling and chuckling (with myself as a participant), but the purpose behind this seemingly absurd request may be entirely different that we'd suppose. It's been suggested that the call for truce was in accord with Islamic tenets; thus, bin Laden would be showing magnanimity to the US and religious piety to Muslims. Then, once the truce was refused (as he must know it would be), plans for a new strike enter motion.

That's the theory anyway.

Padilla was released but I suspected the Dems focus would be on that and draw attention away from a very real case.

Should be interesting to see the really obstinate left work to twist this into more worthless stances.

Fandros

Fandros, you make these posts that have such a partisan poo flinging sound to them, then in other posts you make yourself out to be some moderate centerist. Good job Bush for thwarting a plan that was hatched one month after 9/11. Which parts of the 9/11 commission report have been addressed sonce then? Borders are still wide open. Cargo ports are unsecured. Nuclear and chemical plants are unsecured. One thwarted plan one month after 9/11 hardly excuses the fact that none of the other things are addressed 4 years later. Bush still gets an F.

Sadly Phel, you become more and more a media fed liberal.

I am a centrist, but National defense comes first imho. Because I celebrate the fact that security measures are showing effect it means I'm partisian?

Your response, one I kinda expected to be honest, proves the point I made.

It's an election year, and the Left will be damned if they can admit things might not be in the shitter. A state of being the left needs if they hope to win some major elections in the next two years.

Opposite side of the logical coin you're flipping about boyo. To be left means you keep hoping our National Defense fails?

OoO and those points made in the 9/11 report? I don't see anything from the left addressing them either. Instead they sling shit about and accomplish nothing. OOOOO but it's all Bush's fault.....

Yes, I tend to be a centrist....but you sir are a polarist ( hmmm not sure this is a real word...heh)....You have to hate the other side to make you feel right about your own choices.

Tsk tsk

Fandros

I think more than likely it's comments like

Padilla was released but I suspected the Dems focus would be on that and draw attention away from a very real case.

with constant digs at democrats when you don't lash out the same way towards republicans in other threads that he's talking about when you claim to be centrist but come off as a Republican. There are lots of things wrong with both parties but you lash out against Democrats any chance you get, but you make excuses for anything wrong the Republicans do and try and spin it other directions.

I would imagine that there have been terrorist plots foiled since 9/11, but there was also terrorist plots foiled before 9/11.

One must take into account that foiling plots was not in the forefront of the news in America until we were actually victims of an attack on our soil. I do believe there were many foilings in European countries and of course in Israel and other Mid East countries, so honestly I don't see this as any great coup on terrorism by the US and its alliance of foriegn countries.

Don't forget that Richard Reid the shoe bomber was able to get through the cordon of security. He was actually able to get on a plane and was it not for the actions of passengers and flight crew would most likely have succeeded.

One thing that I do believe Al Qaeda never took into account was the backlash of the average person. Once confronted with the possibility of a hijacking the "average" person no longer lays down in cooperation but basically says "fuck it I'm dead either way" and goes down fighting vs the past which was cooperate and you can maybe survive.

You know, something just occured to me. Bush is saying they foiled plots by Al Qaeda who were going to use shoe bombers to fly planes into buildings on both coasts.

Think about that. It doesn't make any sense. The shoe bomber that we KNOW was Al Qaeda that was actually apprehended was trying to set his bomb off he did not try to hijack the plane. Furthermore, Al Qaeda is not comprised of a bunch of retards, they are a very intelligent and crafty adversary. They most certainly took into account that after 9/11 we would have been very much on the lookout for the potential of planes flying into buildings.

Using shoe bombers to fly planes into buildings? Makes no sense at ALL.

I think time will show that this latest revelation of Bush will hold as much weight as the past terror alerts that were used to deflect the focus in the 2004 election. Funny how those alerts were so profound right up until election day.

I'm not discrediting this or anything. Wasn't this info released 2 or 3 years ago?

I could be completely wrong. Or, now that I think of it, perhaps it was in the news but the Feds didn't acknowledge it for security, etc. reasons.

Actually noone lives in a vacum Tale. By that I mean to be a centrist does not mean my opinions are all grey.

Why is it I lash out more at the Dems than the Republicans? Simply put thats the party that does nothing more than whine and bitch and point fingers. I've yet to see them do more than obstruct in the last 5 years.

You might want to read more threads that I input on. I'm disgusted by the corruption lighting up the Republican elite atm. Of course I also think it's hypocritical for the Dems to act innocent when they've a murderer ( Ted Kennedy) and a liar/cheat ( Clinton) as their idols.

I loathe politics as it stands atm. I've said this over and over again. You and Phel seem only to note when I tred on ground you find sacred.

Bear in mind it's likely I was a registered Democrat far longer than both of you. Hell, for the record I still am tho I haven't made the mistake of voting a major office as a Dem since I voted for Gore first time around...ugh

Ahhhh and Rover, read the link through bud. The original shoe bomber was just threatening to light up his Keds and blow up the compartment. This version of shoe bomber ( ill defined imho) was going to use them like shaped charges to blow out the secured pilot door.

This is a pretty big deal, the Pres bringing out this type of info. I think between now and November you'll see alot more of this type of info come out.

Oh, and hopefully Feb 17 forces a good series of discussions.

Fandros

Here's a link with a list of their claimed actions against terror plots.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/09/whitehouse.plots/

Fandros

I'm not discrediting this or anything. Wasn't this info released 2 or 3 years ago?

I could be completely wrong. Or, now that I think of it, perhaps it was in the news but the Feds didn't acknowledge it for security, etc. reasons.

Yep it appears this is another "change the focus" by Bush/Rove. It seems yesterday Abramoff started to spill the beans about his relationship with Bush, turns out he was a bit closer than Bush said, and also there was the appointment of Tom DeLay to the committe which is overseeing the Abramoff investigation. There is also the issue that the grand jury testimony of Libby shows Cheney as authorizing the leaks of classified information. So it makes sense that Bush would be playing this card again.

/chuckle

Bullseye!!!Rover!!!

Oh, in response Mir...this was "partially" released last year. The more classified details are being released today.

Fandros

Here's a link with a list of their claimed actions against terror plots.

http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/09/whitehouse.plots/

Fandros

Hmmm...the problem with that list is just about everything they say that was stopped has another one that was not almost exactly in that area. I again say, this just wreaks of moving the focus.

Fandros I have never in my life been a registered democrat. Why is it that you fling partisan poo at me and call me liberal? Is it because you are a republican and I disagree with you so that must mean I am a liberal? I'll give you a hint about my politcal ideaology. The most recent volunteering I did was in the Tom McClintock campaign for California governor.

So its ok that the party in power has done nothing to address any of the action items listed in the 9/11 report, because the party that is not in power hasn't gotten any legislation though either (did I mention they are the minority?) because you can deflect it away by attacking the messenger with partisan poo and ignore the message.

Was just using the self same poo you flung my way Phel.

Don't cry poo when you use the same tactics. I never said I was above you in any manner...well exceptn the fact you were a gnome and that speaks for itself. ;P

Fandros

If there's enough poo on the ground the gnome will always be at disadvantage. /nod

Grats to Bush for batting .500

Hey now, .500 is an awesome batting average ;P

Sadly it's not baseball, and the previous pitch was missed by two batters. ;(

Bad News Bears all over again

Fandros

Hey, Phel was an assling, not a gnome. :(