Just heard about this... Only name of a suspect I have heard sounds muslim...

Waiting for some more information... 11 killed 31 wounded so far.

Multiple suspects

From MSNBC:
NBC News’ Pete Williams reported that U.S. officials identified the gunman as Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan, an Army psychiatrist who had been promoted to major in May. Defense officials said Hasan, 39, arrived at Fort Hood in July after practicing for six years at Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington, which included a fellowship in disaster and preventive psychiatry.

Sounds Muslim to me.

Different spin on this. As opposed to the enlisted man who kills his wife for fucking his best friend while on deployment, here we have a field grade officer in a critical and respected position going on a killing spree as opposed to this person's actual role of being one of the relief valves available to prevent such events. If it comes out that it was religion that drove him, then the public (or probably just the press) in general will ask as to why our military isn't more critical of recruiting those of that idealogy. One could even go so far as to ask:

"Why are we recruiting the Enemy to serve in our army?".

Well, too bad our institutions, including the military, are based on being a touch bit more fair and equitable even if our bottom feeding scumbag newsies want to push public opinion that way for some more blood money.

Is that what you are trolling/baiting for, Jedd? Well, don't take the bait yourself even if shitbird news organizations want you to take it. Hopefully the news covers this tragic event with a bit more dignity and removed from the axes that could be ground on idealogical grounds. Until the blessed day when the press finally gets that one way rocket pass into the center of the Sun, thats the best we can hope for.

But Lummus, 100% of the shootists rampaging today in Fort Hood were of scary foreign descent!

The news media has no understanding of evidence, much less statistics, and their audience is just as bad off. We have multiple generations of people that are completely incapable of understanding aggregate data, and we keep dumbing math and logic down every year.

The Daily Show did a great mock "panel of experts" on Tuesday night that was only differentiated from a real panel on CNN or Fox by their honesty in admitting they were making shit up.

Late breaking news... Shooter NOT dead.. In custody.

He was indeed muslim: Mr Hasan said his cousin was a US-born Muslim who had joined the military after high school. He had served as a psychiatrist at the Walter Reed Army Medical Center in Washington DC, which treats many badly wounded troops. Source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6511591/Fort-Hood-shooting-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-said-Muslims-should-rise-up.html)
Other link (http://thelede.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/11/05/reports-of-mass-shooting-at-fort-hood/?hp)
yet another link (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/33695256/ns/us_news-military/)

He apparently was specializing in the treatment of war related mental problems/stress, and obviously after his years practicing with returning vets had heard many horror stories regarding the Iraq and Afghan theaters of operation. He was now scheduled to deploy to one of these areas himself, and it sounds like he was none to pleased with that proposition.

The fact that he is of Middle Eastern descent and a Muslim may or may not be relevant.

The AP reports that Hasan came to the attention of authorities six months ago due to internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other attacks. It is not confirmed that Hasan was the author of these postings. One of the them can be read here.


Read more at: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/11/05/fort-hood-shootings-7-dea_n_347366.html&cp

His writings can be found here...

http://www.scribd.com/NidalHasan

Sounds like he's a chicken shit who was looking for a way out of deployment. The gallows is definitely one method for getting out of going to Iraq.

And Jedd, that's a fake blog

Sounds like he's a chicken shit who was looking for a way out of deployment. The gallows is definitely one method for getting out of going to Iraq.

And Jedd, that's a fake blog

Well, given that suicide = no virgins, he must have been trying for police assisted suicide while looking for maryterdom all in one serving. All I can say is that I hope this piece of shit lives long enough to explain why. Hopefully he just turns out to be a whackjob and insane and that religion was just something to channel a twisted mind. If he turns out to be lucid and logical and just motivated by blind religious faith, then this is yet another blow for the Muslim world trying to seperate themselves from the radical and violent fringe elements. Regardless, the usual fools will applaud his actions in killing not only infidels but infidel soilders on their own home turf. Once it comes to that, this officer needs to be tried as a traitor and immediately executed.

Most of you know that religion is one of my pet peaves...or at least a pet peave when it obstructs common sense...which is 80% of the time or is hypocritical...which is also 80-90% of the time. When religion gets in the way of doing your job or at the very least being a good person....well that tends to make me get angry. It angers me more that the Muslim faith seems to put emphesis on that if you want to take a life because you are dispondant....its not proper to take your own but instead go out and murder others. As unfair as it sounds, its a good bet that the US Military is going to take a good hard look at whether or not enlisting or comissioning muslims might be a conflict of interest when most of the scumbags that are out there killing in the name of Allah feel that an entire faith is being called to task to kill non-Muslims. Some might actually listen, even if they are supposed to be "the good guys."

Don't expect muslims in uniform to get anything but a rough ride after regardless if it is right or wrong. Its a trust and perception issue. I personally hope for the sake of the armed forces and for those who are muslims serving....they are politely shown the door or not given too much grief or red tape if they do decide to leave the armed forces before the end of their obligations.

Why would you assume his religion or ethnicity has anything to do with this?

Just saw report on morning news that the shooter is actually still alive, although unconscious and on a ventilator. No telling if he will survive to offer any explanations or not.

Why would you assume his religion or ethnicity has anything to do with this? From his own words: Major Nidal Malik Hasan, who allegedly killed 11 people before being shot and wounded by police at Fort Hood, had said Muslims should "rise up" and attack Americans in retaliation for the US war in Iraq, a former army colleague said.

Col Terry Lee, a retired officer who worked with him at the military base in Texas, alleged Maj Hasan had angry confrontations with other officers over his views.

Maj Hasan was reportedly fighting orders to be deployed to Iraq at the end of the month, claiming that he was the victim of harassment and insults because of his Arab background and his faith.

The major is a psychiatrist who had been treating soldiers returning from Iraq for post-traumatic stress and alcohol and drug abuse problems.

"He was making outlandish comments condemning our foreign policy and claimed Muslims had the right to rise up and attack Americans," Col Lee told Fox News.

"He said Muslims should stand up and fight the aggressor and that we should not be in the war in the first place." He said that Maj Hasan said he was "happy" when a US soldier was killed in an attack on a military recruitment centre in Arkansas in June. An American convert to Islam was accused of the shootings.

Col Lee alleged that other officers had told him that Maj Hasan had said "maybe people should strap bombs on themselves and go to Time Square" in New York.

He claimed he was aware that the major had been subject to "name calling" during heated arguments with other officers.

Federal law enforcement officials have said Maj Hasan had come to their attention at least six months ago because of internet postings that discussed suicide bombings and other threats.

The officials said the postings appeared to have been made by Maj Hasan but they were still trying to confirm that he was the author. Source (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/northamerica/usa/6511591/Fort-Hood-shooting-Nidal-Malik-Hasan-said-Muslims-should-rise-up.html)

If this is reported accurately, this means that every other muslim in uniform is going to be perceived as a potential fratricidal terrorist. Once things get too far down that path, the war in Iraq/Afghanistan will be perceived by everyone as a war against Islam, and when that happens the only solution will be a final solution: either America dies or Islam dies. OBL has been trying to pitch it this way for years (and when idiots like w used the "crusader" word, they were pinch hitting for OBL).

Why would you assume his religion or ethnicity has anything to do with this?

You're kidding right?

You're kidding right?

No, when Lum posted that, all indications were that it was just a guy that snapped because he was being deployed to the place he'd been trying to help people get over for years.

If we're going to assume that every Muslim is some kind of terrorist, even the ones serving in our own military, we should just be honest and rename this war in Eurasia the Crusades.

Couldnt the Tin Foil Hat Gang think that they are spinning this as a Muslim thing so that they don't have to say one of their guys just flipped the hell out.

If we're going to assume that every Muslim is some kind of terrorist, even the ones serving in our own military, we should just be honest and rename this war in Eurasia the Crusades.

I think you missed the Bush43 administration.

So far I'm just thinking the guy flipped his lid when he found out he was going to be deployed.

We had plenty of Muslims in the Army when I was in back in the early 90s. None of them seemed to have an issue when we were called upon to kick Saddam out of Kwuait.

Maybe the perception of this current warfare is what is in question. People tend to forget the United States wasn't the one that started shooting first. Regardless of which countries we have backed, or supplied with weapons.

Maybe the perception of this current warfare is what is in question. People tend to forget the United States wasn't the one that started shooting first. Regardless of which countries we have backed, or supplied with weapons.

lol...

Uh yea we didn't fire the first shots.... We just supplied the guns that did.

People tend to forget the United States wasn't the one that started shooting first.

Yeah, Iraq totally shot us first, right after Afghanistan shot us first.

Oh, you mean 9/11, when a terrorist cell funded by Saudi Arabia that was involved in one of the factions in Afghanistan orchestrated an attack? That we conveniently used a pretext to get shot first kicking out the people who were our "allies" the day before so we could secure the freedom of a gas pipeline?

I know we always like to play the international victim, the good gumdrop wandering down the street of dreams minding his own business thinking about all the puppies he's going to raise on Sunshine Ranch when he gets back to Ma and the 10 kids, who is then viciously waylaid by ninjas of ethnicity, but christ man, this shit only happened six years ago. You can't go revisionist on it until it's actually history!


On topic, it would seem like the police managed to take him down fairly quickly, despite one of the officers being shot in the process. Go FHPD.

Malse, if you think all of this started with Iraq and Afghanistan, you really REALLY need to read a little history.

You know, the WTC was attacked before September 11th, right? During Clinton's Presidency? They also killed some Marines in Beruit during Regan's Presidency. Believe it or not, Radical Muslims have had a mad on for us ever since this country started backing Israel back in the 60's.

Sixee your wrong ! We should of let Iraq roll into Kuwait back in 90's and of just been observer's to the aftermath. The world would of been a much better place with Saddam in charge of Kuwait. or err whatever would have occurred without US or someone else s intervention. Maybe Irans !!

Instead we ruined how the world viewed the US and now we can correct it by making AL Gore the first green billioniare.

Malse, if you think all of this started with Iraq and Afghanistan, you really REALLY need to read a little history.

You know, the WTC was attacked before September 11th, right? During Clinton's Presidency? They also killed some Marines in Beruit during Regan's Presidency. Believe it or not, Radical Muslims have had a mad on for us ever since this country started backing Israel back in the 60's.

Funny how the older of the 2 examples you brought up had us in a Muslim country... Do you really want to go back in time and bring up all the reasons we shot first?

No, I think this stuff (our involvement anyway) started with the British partitioning of the former Ottoman regions and India-Pakistan, particularly out complicity with British Petroleum in carving up the money, leading up to our somewhat schizophrenic policies of intervention (in favor of Britain in overthrowing Mossedegh, against France and Britain in Suez, pro-Israel to the point of letting them sink our own ships, etc).

Let's just say I feel pretty safe you're not going to pull a Good Will Hunting on me (or anyone else) when it comes to breadth of reading.



We should of let Iraq roll into Kuwait back in 90's and of just been observer's to the aftermath. The world would of been a much better place with Saddam in charge of Kuwait. or err whatever would have occurred without US or someone else s intervention.

You do understand the first Gulf War was at Kuwait and Saudi Arabia's request and that it ended, right? And that George HW Bush specifically and deliberately chose not to overthrow Saddam?

oh who I am kidding.

No Malse, I'm not gonna pull a "Good Will Hunting" on you. However, you just seem to think I was focused on WTC Part Deux, when in fact, I do know that the 'reasons' that radical Muslims have for wanting to destroy the United States extend much further back into history than that.

Jedd, when you ask Do you really want to go back in time and bring up all the reasons we shot first? do you mean "we" as in Muslims, Persians, or the United States?

Regardless, I reiterate; I think this guy was a whackjob who happened to be Muslim, and religion does not seem to have played anything but an incidental part in the shootings. Of course, I'm sure the usual suspects will be praising Allah for giving this man the strength to strike at the Infidels, etc, etc, etc....

The newsies have a chance to do some actual responsible reporting. A chance to put the desire for ratings and muck racking aside and not further fan the flames. I think its too late for that now though as they have already decided to play the Muslim Radical card. No, it would not be fair to gloss over this tragedy but then again our press corps have played a huge role in dividing our nation politically, hamstringing the war effort, and general poor taste and judgment in favor of ratings and ultimately money. The more they play up the Muslim terrorist card with this story, than the more it becomes a war against Islam in general as perceived by the American public. Of course, much rides on if this guy lives and if he ever decided to confess as to why he did it. Perhaps listening to too many stories of soldiers having their buddies blown up by IEDs and tales of our soilders killing Iraqis and Afghans might have just been too much. Who knows.

Ultimately it might fall to being a case of the Army being.....fair. The guy was born in the USA. He is an American citizen. He is a field grade commisioned officer in the US Army. He was offered the same opportunities as any other US born citizen who serves in the military. Nothing more. Nothing less. Brutal equity. Granted he is a specialized officer and not one responsible for prosecuting the war effort, but medical officers are VASTLY important and are expected to do their jobs, religion or politics aside.

The context of if he was motivated from the mind of killing infidels or motivated from being trapped and no way out will decide if he is a traitor or just insane. If he lives, the Courts Martial will have a tough decision to make since there is no real modern precedent for this and what they decide will greatly define if this war we are in is just OIF/OEF or if it really is the USA vs. all of Muslim ideology. The press have already pushed the military and the nation further down the slippery slope at this point towards the USA vs. Ideology direction. Dubya made that an easy route for the media to travel but perhaps we could look past that now for the sake of the common good and avoiding an escalation.

Muslims who serve will not be treated as anything less than the enemy in our midst and the military will be pressured to break the law in regards to treating soldiers equal regardless of faith. I don't think the military will cave though. Just as in the days right after 9/11, there were Muslim soldiers serving and continued to serve because they were Americans foremost. Sorry if this seems a repeat, but the media networks are still riding this hard. It would be nice, for once, if half of the battles we have to fight would not be internal because of the news media feeling its their job to make up the public's mind.

I think he's a candyass pussy who didn't want to deploy. His Self-loathing anti-american sentiments were just a convenient vehicle for him to convince himself he wasn't a coward.

Well, I dunno about that. He certainly had no fear or remorse of taking a life or the possibility of being shot and killed. From that view, he had ZERO excuse to get out of deploying. Its not like he would be kicking in doors or doing convoy security or even stuffing some soldiers guts back into their body as a medic or surgeon and yet he has managed to kill more people single handed than many soldiers who ARE on the front lines, get shot and LIVE.

The guy is a shrink. He would be in a headquarters element and the only time he might even be remotely in danger is on the initial deployment to his post and the redeploy at the end of the tour. At most he might be fighting boredom. Asshole? Yes. Insane? Most certainly! Pussy? I dunno. If he really wanted to not deploy, he could have just broken his leg and gone limdu.

Ultimately it might fall to being a case of the Army being.....fair. The guy was born in the USA. He is an American citizen. He is a field grade commisioned officer in the US Army. He was offered the same opportunities as any other US born citizen who serves in the military. Nothing more. Nothing less. Brutal equity. Granted he is a specialized officer and not one responsible for prosecuting the war effort, but medical officers are VASTLY important and are expected to do their jobs, religion or politics aside.


Two people I know from Army JAG (or whatever the real name is, basically the attorney general's corps for the Army) as well as one in the Navy had some horror stories about people they'd repeatedly tried to get removed for serious breaches of conduct that later screwed up even more, in one case murdering two people in his unit over a romantic disagreement.

This is admittedly highly anecdotal from people overly exposed to the more questionable people in the service; but, it was interesting that all of them felt that there was pressure from the the company staff level on up to keep everyone possible available for deployment, and they felt they were cutting way too many corners off their standards, to the point of not pressing issues that would have led to courts martial. The oldest officer felt it was noticeably worse than during his prior combat deployments during the first Gulf War.

No statistical evidence, although I'm sure the various services must compile it. But it was an interesting conversation to sit in on at the post-grad LM party from a local law school.

True enough Lum, but then I'm sure you've run into your fair share of REMFs who are convinced they're going to die in the 'trenches'. When in reality they're more likely to catch a staple to the eye than a bullet to the head. And usually those idiots are the ones who freak out the most when they find out they're going to deploy.

I just wish this filth wasn't polluting my hospital, chaps my ass that he's there right now.

The suspect was a practicing medical professional AS well as a soilder (http://www.philosophy.ox.ac.uk/__data/assets/pdf_file/0010/9487/Conscientious_Objection-final_from_site.pdf)

Granted, this was about smoking tobacco and not treating soldiers with messed up heads...but medicine is medicine. Doctors are held in high regard because they are bound to higher oaths that transcend political or social-economic boundaries and people EXPECT them to ply their trade removed from outside influences. Religion can be a large influence in life, but again it all comes back to your calling in life. If religion is more important than medicine than you have no right being a doctor!

There had to have been legal grounds for him to be granted an out. Heck, he could have just resigned his commission. Clearly he had no business being a doctor and as a result, was of no use to the army. It would suck if it came to light that he was hurting the mission readiness of his fellow soldiers and patients for MONTHS if not YEARS before this came about. Unless of course part of his academic and professional training was paid for by a military program where he is beholden to a contract. In that case, he should have known full well what he was getting himself into. Even then, there must have been a more peaceful means to give this man an out. A way for him to be disgraced and dishonored but with 13 soldiers alive and with everyone being able to move on.

IIRC he had been enlisted for 8 Years, then went through Grad school on the armies dime, so being a soldier was not a new thing to him either.

The west side of Killeen, Texas is like countless other places in America's heartland, freshly carved out of prairie pastures with wide streets in bucolic neighborhoods like "Sunflower Estates" and "Bridgewood." But on a glorious cloudless fall day, the flags at the home sales center nearby are at half mast in honor of the 13 fallen at Ft. Hood, victims of a gunman whose deadly attack was stopped thanks to a petite, long-haired blonde mom from the neigborhood.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/time/08599193644400

Looks like this lady is being credited for stopping him from killing more people than he did. A true hero.

Collection of articles about the failure of intelligence agencies (http://www.theatlanticwire.com/opinions/view/opinion/Were-Warnings-of-Fort-Hood-Shooting-Ignored-1547)

For the reading impaired, our massive, illegal surveillance net flagged multiple high-confidence messages between Maj Hasan and a radical imam with al Qaeda ties ... but no one could be bothered to do anything about it (probably busy spying on Paris Hilton again instead).

Of course, the kneejerk morons are going to get us an expansion of the provably impossible and demonstratively ineffective Federal assault on civil liberties ... because next time, really, all this stuff we know fails is going to work. We promise!

I heard about that this morning Malse, but the authorities supposedly said all of the messages a) weren't covert
and b) weren't the least bit menacing
Instead the correspondence was similar to me writing to my old pastor.

Is your old pastor known to funnel money to Al Qaeda?

Is your old pastor known to funnel money to Al Qaeda?

Thats assuming he knew about it. I'm not saying either way, but pointing out the fact that you (hypothetical) could be in contact with someone who engages in terrorist activities and not know thats the case.

Yes, but that hypothetical is exactly the case all the warrantless wiretapping and other (illegal) means of communication interception were sold to the public and congress on. Which is has failed at, again. You don't have to tell me the system isn't working, I know it isn't.

Another update on who actually stopped the shooting.

Shortly after last week's Ft. Hood shooting massacre, Sgt. Kimberly Munley of the Killeen, TX, police department was widely credited as the heroic cop who brought Maj. Nidal Malik Hasan's rampage to an end by shooting him four times while being wounded by gunfire herself. A Ft. Hood official told the media that the diminutive Munley, who was shot in both legs and one of her wrists, fired on Hasan twice, which then drew his attention to her, and then fired again while she was on the ground. But now it appears as though that account was inaccurate and that another Killeen police officer, Sgt. Mark Todd, was actually the person who fired the shots that brought down Hasan.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ynews/ynews_ts980

Let's see what the ballistic test reveal, then they can go about annointing heroes. Personally, I won't feel anything less for the little lady, since she did put her life on the line to try to stop the guy.

Oh, no she defenitely stepped up to the plate, and got shot a couple of times for her effort. Anyone who responded to take this dirtbag down is a hero in my book.

Amazing, we've gone to the US of i'm afraid to say who's attacked us....a in less than a year..

Grats you weasles...

Amazing, we've gone to the US of i'm afraid to say who's attacked us....a in less than a year..

Grats you weasles...

You know... There is this concept that may be hard for you to grasp, it revolves around knowing something to be true before speaking. Our last 8 years lacked that severly and apparently you quite liked it.

Oh please you idiot, your proof of what I speak...

I forgot why I quit coming here, thanks for reminding me. Your type of voting/thinking is going to come full circle soon and you'll see how the voters change.

btw, how is Obama doing any better than Bush did.../guffaw.

Oh please you idiot, your proof of what I speak...

I forgot why I quit coming here, thanks for reminding me. Your type of voting/thinking is going to come full circle soon and you'll see how the voters change.

btw, how is Obama doing any better than Bush did.../guffaw.

LOL go ahead... leave and cry on your way out :)

I have posted before on why I think Obama is doing better then Bush, I won't waste my time with a little baby crying about how he is the only sane one in a world of insane people. I am sure McDeadsoon and Palin the Intelligent would have been so much better, Since one of them knows better about things like government interference (Net Neutrality) and the other can see Russia from her house!!!! /guffaw

Amazing, we've gone to the US of i'm afraid to say who's attacked us....a in less than a year..

Grats you weasles...

Oh please you idiot, your proof of what I speak...

I forgot why I quit coming here, thanks for reminding me. Your type of voting/thinking is going to come full circle soon and you'll see how the voters change.

btw, how is Obama doing any better than Bush did.../guffaw.If this is going to be the quality of your posts, then feel free to continue with your self-imposed exile.

Oh please you idiot, your proof of what I speak...

I forgot why I quit coming here, thanks for reminding me. Your type of voting/thinking is going to come full circle soon and you'll see how the voters change.

btw, how is Obama doing any better than Bush did.../guffaw.


Didn't you tout how you were an independent and use that you voted for Obama as an example? Hypocrite much?

I'm still not sure how the Fort Hood shooting had any bearing on Obama's success as a President, never mind the rest of the post.

I think it has to do with not officially proclaiming it as an act of "terrorism". as long it remains the act of a demented individual the right wing cannot fearbrow the public as to how Obamas simple exsistance endangers every single american and we will all die unless the GOP can eliminate Librulism wich we all know is just a code word communism.

The President is not the be all and end all. It is not up to him to cure all the world's woes (or at least the United States woes) nor is it a requirement for the President to be the prime mover towards anything related to Muslims VS The World. If the legal eagles feel this is a crime, then that is what it is. What if this major was a Jew or Christian or Jehovah Witness or Branch Davidian? How about if he was an Athiest even?

Nope, he is a Muslim so instead of being just plain nuts, he is a terrorist and thus it is the Presidents job to deal with since he inherited the GWoT from Dub. Is that was is being presented here? Politics and politicians seem to be the only people capable of making a decision, and then its not out of the box logic. It will be the standard packet of high fructose corn syrup, sugar, artificial flavor and food coloring. Just add water, a logical substance, and mix. Logic becomes.....what is swilled here too often.

The Kool Aid comes in only 2 flavors here and that is all that is in the Ayonae Ro fridge. Cherry Red or Wild Berry Blue apparently. You have to go elsewhere if you want a Coke.

The President is not the be all and end all. It is not up to him to cure all the world's woes (or at least the United States woes) nor is it a requirement for the President to be the prime mover towards anything related to Muslims VS The World. If the legal eagles feel this is a crime, then that is what it is. What if this major was a Jew or Christian or Jehovah Witness or Branch Davidian? How about if he was an Athiest even?

Nope, he is a Muslim so instead of being just plain nuts, he is a terrorist and thus it is the Presidents job to deal with since he inherited the GWoT from Dub. Is that was is being presented here? Politics and politicians seem to be the only people capable of making a decision, and then its not out of the box logic. It will be the standard packet of high fructose corn syrup, sugar, artificial flavor and food coloring. Just add water, a logical substance, and mix. Logic becomes.....what is swilled here too often.

The Kool Aid comes in only 2 flavors here and that is all that is in the Ayonae Ro fridge. Cherry Red or Wild Berry Blue apparently. You have to go elsewhere if you want a Coke.

Lots of flavors here... we just have a problem with Anecdotal Apple over there...

I think this should be a different thread. Since it seems to be more leaning to the gitmos release and pleading of not guilty. . Which other than some soldiers bieng killed on home turf might be part of the mixed anger. If he doesnt get military justice well then something is very wrong with this country.
That is my only part of Fandros outburst. I understand a point of it I just feel its mixed with other current events that havent been discussed. Like the Gitmo guys !

That in and of itself asks a ton of questions Im no defense attorney, but if the president of the US says I have no chance, I was in Gitmo waterboarding 101-301 and finding a juror who hasnt been impacted by the event in NY proper. Id change my plea from kill me to put me put me up on the stage as OJ 2.0 Its going to be real interesting to show how well our legal systems works with hidden information and who knows what to come.

But by God they will hang !

The problem with being elected based on a cult of personality is that it's easy for that tide to change, since it's not based on anything real. There was even an article in Der Spiegel recently that pointed out that Obama has been fairly impotent overseas and even briefly mentioned the comparison of Obama to Carter.

He's not a panacea. There is no panacea. Some people will take it hard when they realize he's just another politician. Some already are.

He is just another politician true and he platformed that he wasnt like so many others, you cant fault him, even with a controlled house. If you do your a raciest idiot that is unamerican Hell even Clintion called the teabaggers dushbaggers. =/

As other countries are labeling him an empty suit in the oval office. We go from loathed to joked.

Anyone see Saturday night live this weekend ? Im looking forward to another CNN fact check of a comedy show.

He is just another politician true and he platformed that he wasnt like so many others, you cant fault him, even with a controlled house. If you do your a raciest idiot that is unamerican Hell even Clintion called the teabaggers dushbaggers. =/

As other countries are labeling him an empty suit in the oval office. We go from loathed to joked.

Anyone see Saturday night live this weekend ? Im looking forward to another CNN fact check of a comedy show.

LOL

He commands a lot more respect from the PEOPLE of the world then our last president, and you think people think he is a joke?

The joke is how many stood idle while that last asshole wiped his ass with our country.

lol

he commands a lot more respect from the people of the world then our last president, and you think people think he is a joke?

The joke is how many stood idle while that last asshole wiped his ass with our country.



/ applaud

It's pretty sad that at the end of the day, Obama's greatest achievement will be not being quite as shitty of a president as Bush was. At least Bush gave us the surge we needed for Iraq when we needed it. (though he should have told Rummy STFU when he said no to the larger invasion force) Obama is still 'deliberating' on his plans while US Troops die. He won't be getting the same support from the military he did the first time.

It's pretty sad that at the end of the day, Obama's greatest achievement will be not being quite as shitty of a president as Bush was. At least Bush gave us the surge we needed for Iraq when we needed it. (though he should have told Rummy STFU when he said no to the larger invasion force) Obama is still 'deliberating' on his plans while US Troops die. He won't be getting the same support from the military he did the first time.

UNTIL he reveals his plan next week which includes an exit strategy... Then those soldiers will love the man for ending that bullshit.

Does it matter that Colin Powell thinks that Obama is doing the right thing in actually thinking before acting?



http://blogs.abcnews.com/politicalpunch/2009/11/gen-powell-to-president-obama-on-afpak-strategy-take-your-time.html

For as long as he's been talking Afghanistan/Iraq strategy, and having been Commander in Chief for going on a year now, you'd think he'd have managed to give it some thought already.

For as long as he's been talking Afghanistan/Iraq strategy, and having been Commander in Chief for going on a year now, you'd think he'd have managed to give it some thought already.

Yea cause the War in Afghanistan is more important then the shit going on here at home...

I am sure he has just been vacationing in Crawford Tex.... oh wait

I can see taking your time. I was behind him on that one. However, sending in a new general when you don't like the answer? Ok, ok he was just getting a second opinion, because maybe the first one was hot headed and wanted to bag some ragheads... Oh wait, the second one says the same thing? That's *exactly* when the decision should have been made. Not 2-3 Months later. His waffling is putting American soldiers in body bags.

To be fair it's not like the current administration has been ignoring Afghanistan, it simply has not made any substantial policy shifts. This may be what the news is going rabid over at the moment but the actual discussion has been ongoing since before the election even, and the reality in-country has been changing during that time as well.

Having family over there I'd prefer them to resolve it all too, but just because that's what the Murdoch thugs are ranting about this second doesn't make it any more pressing than it was from 2003-2008 when nobody could be bothered to mention it.

Yea cause the War in Afghanistan is more important then the shit going on here at home...

If he is incapable of handling more than one situation at a time, he is profoundly unqualified to hold the office. If you're going to make excuses for him, they should at least be remotely plausible.

If he is incapable of handling more than one situation at a time, he is profoundly unqualified to hold the office. If you're going to make excuses for him, they should at least be remotely plausible.

More then 1 issue?

More like more then 1000 issues...

As Malse posted nothing changed in Afghanistan for a long time and now you are complaining when he is deliberating on what to change. Now wait patiently while the big boys come up with a future for Afghanistan that revolves around how and when to leave rather then how many more of our soldiers to send into that deathtrap.

Well, this didn't take long to degenerate to the usual bullshit.

Sanchek, please remove my access to this board.

Enough is enough.

Give my regards to the Koolaid man, A-Ro.

Been real.

I dunno bout ya'll, but i'd be hesitant and damn well reluctant to go all in behind that POS overly corrupt joke of a goverment that is the Karzi adminisration. hell, the US has a pretty well documented history of backing the piss poor horse to the detriment.

Maybe, just maybe Obama's delay is trying to figure out how not to make the mistake perpetuated by our policies of the last half century. well at least i can hope.

More then 1 issue?

More like more then 1000 issues...

You don't think our being mired in Afghanistan (and Iraq) is one of the most important issues facing the country?

If you don't, you should tell Obama. He certainly campaigned on the war issues hard enough.

Keep in mind, he's already sent 21,000 more troops in since taking office, putting 68,000 there. McChrystal wants another 40,000 and word is Obama will announce sending another ~35,000 in the next few days.

Meanwhile, only about 1/3 of the country wants to continue this (http://www.pollingreport.com/afghan.htm) and the rest of the world wants it to stop too.

Not to mention that we cannot continue to finance this thing anyway. This sort of stupidity is exactly how other declining empires have fallen in the past.

Any temperance in his attitude toward Iraq seems to be countered by his crazy-hawkish stance on Afghanistan.