So, last night I'm kinda bored. Grinded out a couple levels and I was tired of sitting there so I thought I'd finish my BoT key. I have access to the characters to solo most of the parts myself, but I was lazy so I thought I'd just get help from AoR and let some other people get their pieces. After grabbing a raid of about 20, we headed out.

After setting up we set the rules. This was a medallion raid. For those of you who don't know what that means, they are the pieces that dropped from the named. There are other pieces that can drop from the trash mobs, and they were stated to be OPEN LOTTO. They are fucking common drops on mobs that can be soloed. After stating the rules, NO ONE complained. Everyone was cool with it.

After pulling two mobs a sash dropped and I looted it. No one said anything, because most people realize that it's a fucking common drop on a soloable mob. Anyway, I fucked up a pull and wiped us all. While we were rezzing this dumb bitch Ebonknight decides him and his guildies are going to throw a fit about not randoming the sash.

Well, buddy...

WHY DIDNT YOU FUCKING SAY SOMETHING BEFORE THE RAID YOU INBRED TWAT?!

The raid was for medallions, not fucking sashes you morons. The rules were clearly stated MULTIPLE TIMES. CRY ME A GOD DAMN RIVER.

So their whole little newbie guild starts crying for a good 15 minutes before I finally just disbanded the fucking raid. After this, in AoR chat, Ebonknight and Jeradiphia (Both retards from the same guild <Sect of Honor>) begin to bash us in AoR chat. I responded ONLY because accusations were being made towards MY character by said idiots. I clearly explained the situation, what happened, and why they were stupid for thinking anything else should have taken place. Sekkua, (Also retarded, can barely find his way out of a paper bag, much less lead a raid) fucking decides he's going to use his almighty power he got from rimjobbing Swifton and mods the chat. After being subjected to 10 minutes of his mindless blather the mod is dropped and all is done.

So, I log on this morning and am told I am banned from AoR. For what? Oh, for ignoring a raid leader by not ceasing to DEFEND MY SELF in open chat. Oh, what's that? THE PEOPLE ATTACKING ME WERE NOT BANNED? Talk about being impartial... In short, fuck you Sekkua. I believe Zehn has a better head on his shoulders than you, and I suspect this is the result of skewed version of the story being told to him. If not, fuck you too.

i know a lot of people will read this and this will be a huge thread so i thought i'd post first and just say...

I <3 Hubbe

I <3 Mr Oipunx bluecon cleric too!

If the rules were clearly stated at the beginning, then I would have asked the people questioning it to leave.

When I do things, it's my way or the highway. I was under the impression that was the way of AoR also?

I had only attended one other AoR raid for BoT keys and to the best of my knowledge that is how they handled the common drops.

Either way, if I tell you 'In order to loot anything you must open wide and let me rub my manhood across the back of your throat' and you agree, I will expect you to adhere to that. If you agree to a set of rules that were stated prior to the beginning of the raid you should adhere to them. Pull that shit in a guild and you'll find your ass back in <Sect of Honor> in no time.

You got screwed up by n00bs wein, you should be ashamed of yourself!

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

You got screwed up by n00bs

Hurray for Legends and Ebay!!! Hurray!!!

I <3 Sekkua

And I <3 you too Wein

So I'm not going to say anything :(

So their whole little newbie guild starts crying for a good 15 minutes before I finally just disbanded the fucking raid. After this, in AoR chat, Ebonknight and Jeradiphia (Both retards from the same guild <Sect of Honor&gt;) begin to bash us in AoR chat. I responded ONLY because accusations were being made towards MY character by said idiots. I clearly explained the situation, what happened, and why they were stupid for thinking anything else should have taken place. Sekkua, (Also retarded, can barely find his way out of a paper bag, much less lead a raid) fucking decides he's going to use his almighty power he got from rimjobbing Swifton and mods the chat. After being subjected to 10 minutes of his mindless blather the mod is dropped and all is done.

Let's see what the log file says:

[Mon Dec 15 23:02:14 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:4, 'Ainwein and I will never be leading any raids again.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:02:19 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:4, 'We started the PoStorms thing out of COURTESY.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:02:24 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:4, 'And you guys pissed in our face.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:02:40 2003] Hudorm tells allmustdie:4, 'doh'
[Mon Dec 15 23:02:43 2003] Torrence tells allmustdie:4, 'any healer or slower wanna do tactics?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:02:49 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Sorry to those who attended the BoT raid and are not retarded (Not you, Jeradiphia). '
[Mon Dec 15 23:02:50 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:4, 'Our concern was NOT the sashes, or the heads, or ANY of that.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:02:50 2003] Waddles tells allmustdie:4, 'i wouldn't let the actions of a few jerks ruin it'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:05 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:4, 'The 'few jerks' are the whiny whores in Sect of Honor who want sashes, even though we made it clea
r those were NOT a priority.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:07 2003] Wubba tells allmustdie:4, 'what happened?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:15 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:4, 'The whiny whores in Sect of Honor ruined the raid.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:19 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Jeradiphia had a fit because we didnt want to random the stupid sashes.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:21 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Because, OMG'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:23 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:4, 'JESSAIL, WTF?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:24 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'It was a medallion raid?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:27 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Oh, the sense of it all!'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:32 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, '/pounds head on table'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:37 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:4, '/join Ainwein'
[Mon Dec 15 23:03:52 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:4, 'THERE WILL BE NO GUILD BASHING IN THIS CHANNEL...pleas show respect, jessail'

And it just declined from here....


Hmm.... looks like Jessail and Ainwein started the shitfit in AoR chat last night...

Or looks like the sect of honor guys are stupid newbies who wanted to random on soloable/duoable sashes.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

I was not in the chat immediately after the incident occured. I joined when Jessail said people were talking shit.

Even if Jessail was the one who initially introduced the topic into the AoR chat, I do not care. I was getting /tells from numerous retards and dealing with retards in /ooc. I have no patience for this bullshit. I put together a raid so people could get their BoT keys. Certain twats like Jeraiwhatever might think this is a selfish act. He is entitled to his opinion, as ill-founded as it may be.

If I use AoR to start a raid, and the people from the raid are from AoR, I should be able to use the fucking chat to explain any bitching that certain morons might decide to engage in. You do realize it is stupid to allow people to say derogatory things about me and then allow me no forum to defend myself? Not to mention I was trying to help the idiots...

Good job at ignoring the issue though. You get an 'A' for that.

Jessail
/slitthroat on

'nuff said

If loot rules were stated at the beginning of the evening, then the folks from Sect of Honor should have abided by them and not whined. However, my understanding regarding etiquette in AoR is that guilds and guild busniess are not even to be *mentioned* on the channel, and certainly not slandered. AoR only works because it is 'nonpartisan', so to speak...

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

Getting into any altercation with Jessail on your side will only make you come out smelling like fresh shit.

Or, maybe, they're important enough to the <SoH> guys that they *need* to random on them; and they were obviously important enough to the looter, weren't they?

Oh wow...

I have a novel idea. If they are that fucking important when I set the goddamn raid rules why dont they speak up? As someone who was once guilded under you, I just don't see you changing loot rules on the go because one or two people bitch. It's my raid, my rules. You are my guest. Abide by the rules you agreed to or fucking leave. 'Nuff said.

As for being important to me? I'd bet 100k that I could get one within 10 minutes of being in PoS by myself. Not with Ainwein, mind you, but it's certainly not beyond my reach. So yeah, so important...

Feel free to take me up on that bet, by the way.

Before i got tied up in the snake pit I did a few AoR raids and it seemed at the time that the default rule for any loot that anyone wants or needs is /random 1 32000 .... I may be wrong about this. Also, are there rules posted on the AoR forums? AoR (http://nitrous.org/aor/)

This may prove useful:
Dear Friends,

Hello, and Welcome to the AOR Board!

Through the kind generosity of Rizzoid, to whom I still don't know how to thank for this, we are Up and Running! Everything you see here is Due to his hard work and I will do my best not to let him or anyone else down)

My name is Swifton, and I have been running open raids with the help of some of the finest people Ayonae Ro has to offer! We started with shouting them, moved to email only and are now taking this to the Web!

We are AOR and we are here to Raid!

First, let me explain what AOR is all about)

We are NOT a Guild!

Guilds require a strong Commitment from it's members and we require only what you agree to on a raid by raid basis, unless, as was in Carprin‘s case, you are specifically ask to commit to more than one raid in advance.

We are here to help and strengthen guilds not to replace or otherwise diminish them in any way.

We will do our best to create opportunities to attend raids for players server wide regardless of their guild affiliation.

Therefore, I ask that any and all guild politics be left at the door please. All guilds AND their leaders will be treated with the utmost respect Here.

Our goal here is to provide some extra fun and excitement as we all learn to work together in an open raid atmosphere.

At the moment we are focusing on PoP flag mobs in order to increase the amount of game content all can enjoy)

Some will come to see game content their guilds are not large enough to see on their own, or perhaps to gear up and strengthen their own guild and learn the strategies for different mobs or even to promote their own characters progression.

Others will come in order to Back-flag themselves without bothering their own guilds with having to do so. Many may participate just for the fun of it or to simply help us succeed.

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I'm not Going Down There!!
It's DARK Down There!!

Ainwein, you might want to check your story again...

[Mon Dec 15 21:38:18 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Any tank type people want to help with BoT keys?'
[Mon Dec 15 21:41:41 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Doing BoT keys in PoS. /join botkey and get to PoS. =P'
[Mon Dec 15 21:48:17 2003] Svetlanax tells allmustdie:4, 'anything going on ?'
[Mon Dec 15 21:48:17 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Bot Keys!'
[Mon Dec 15 21:48:40 2003] Svetlanax tells allmustdie:4, 'need more ?'
[Mon Dec 15 21:48:45 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Yeah, /join botkey'
[Mon Dec 15 21:49:06 2003] Thatchet tells allmustdie:4, 'do you need bot key for e planes?'
[Mon Dec 15 21:49:10 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Yes.'
[Mon Dec 15 21:54:38 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Last call for BoT keys. Meeting at forest camp in PoS. /join botkey'
[Mon Dec 15 22:04:15 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'BoT key raid going on. /join botkey. Could use another healer or two'

Then there was a bunch of unrelated banter in the channel, then the earlier posted logs started.


If I use AoR to start a raid, and the people from the raid are from AoR, I should be able to use the fucking chat to explain any bitching that certain morons might decide to engage in. You do realize it is stupid to allow people to say derogatory things about me and then allow me no forum to defend myself? Not to mention I was trying to help the idiots...

Except that, as you're so conveniently glossing over, YOU started bashing people before they started bashing people back.

[Mon Dec 15 23:02:49 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:4, 'Sorry to those who attended the BoT raid and are not retarded (Not you, Jeradiphia). '

There was no bashing of Ainwein or derogatory comments directed his way until after this statement. Any statements from Ebonknight were more likely directed towards Jessail anyway.


Congratulations for overreacting, Ainwein!

I, for one, found the whole thing hillarious. There were some choice expressions used that I will have to remember. :) :)


Leafy

Because lists make me horny.

1) Unless a raid is being run by Swifton, Sekkua, Horadan or myself, it's not an AOR raid. Do whatever you want. The channel is up as a method of reaching a large majority of players who might be up for open raiding.

2) That being said, there are no set in stone rules as far as non-AOR lead raids are concerned. Just because you use the channel to gather people does not mean you have to play by our rules.

3) Furthermore, I don't care how retarded Sect of Honor may be, you do not bash guilds in the AOR chat. I don't want people afraid to go in there because some rival guild may use it as an avenue to trash talk you.

I've made it abundantly clear several times that guild politics are not allowed in that channel.

4) Ainwein, you made the mistake of going in on anything with Jessail. Everybody who considers him a friend knows how much of a hothead he is. He has absolutely -no- grasp of tact and diplomacy.

No matter how much I may consider you a friend, I won't let that shit go down. Just because we're not a guild doesn't give you guys free reign to go disreguarding what we've worked to set up. If you have a problem with Sekkua, you bring it to me. You don't go shitting on him in the channel.

Hurray for Legends and Ebay!!! Hurray!!!

Damnit Dextorr, you were guildremoved at level 52 for being an ebay character and not informing the guild... why do you continue to talk shit like this?

Haha yeah, you were on PA and got kicked out, sucker.

If I were leading a raid, and someone bitched about a loot rule, after they don't get something? I would be very glad for the disband button in the raid window, and quickly /ignore their sorry asses.

That log? Way to show what was going on before Ainwein went in, numnuts.

No guildbashing is a stupid rule, when a guild's members are representing them like fools. For example, if I meet one retard from, I dunno, let's say <Zone>, because they have retards in abundance anyways, I'ma shitlist the entire guild for letting a fucktard in.

J

Except that, as you're so conveniently glossing over, YOU started bashing people before they started bashing people back.


Wow Buad. Care to post the logs of my /tells, /group, /ooc/ and /raid during the event too? What? You weren't there? You have no idea what was said? Oh, okay. Glad we cleared that up.

And Zehn, you're right. While this whole thing still reeks of bullshit (Like why Ebonknight wasn't banned), I should have just posted here. Although I doubt he possesses the intelligence to actually figure out how to get to these boards, perhaps someday he will read it.

Just a suggestion though. You might want to get raid leaders that:

A) Know the location of the targets they are raiding
B) Know something about the mobs
C) Don't let their tactics degenerate into 'ZERG ZERG' after 30 seconds
D) Are impartial

Toodles.

Hello all, I am the guild leader of Sect Of Honor.

Ainwein most of the raid was not happy with your handling of the loot and the attitude expressed by you and Jessail. After you pulled the entire fort on us by leaving up an AE song as you passed the walls and then NOT dying by yourself when it was clear you had a mini and 5 or 6 mobs on you...it became apparent that we had some problems.

The loot rules were NOT explained clearly and Jessail even apologized for the miscommunication after the wipe on pulling strat AND on the loot policy. YOU even told the raid to take a screen shot of him saying it in fact. The loot rules became apparent when the two of you were so heavy handed about allowing the giants to pile up around us with QUEST pieces on them because the two of you had to be the only ones to loot everything. Thats fine, but as I said to you in tells...I was doing all the fighting and we had people camping the corpses to get a drop, not fair to the tanks who had to engage and not the best use of our force with people standing around a corpse waiting for the loot timer to expire.

After the loot rules became clear two people left the raid NOT im my guild. Others were complaining. Thats when I sent you a tell saying to open up the loot and let people random on the sashes, bones, beards, etc...I wasn't asking for any other loot...just the quest stuff which is why we were there. You must have talked to Jessail because then you guys blasted the raid calling us all retards and to get the fuck out...blah blah blah.

Ok my Noobie guild brought you the only two chanters you had and I was your main tank and of course we also brought a wizard. All of us 60 to 65. Without our "Noobie" guild helping you there was no raid. We had a lot of 50s and low 60s in the raid as well from various guilds...the quest drops was why they were there and you locked us out of them and made people stand around like freakin idiots waiting to loot. It was lame. The two of you knew the way the wind was blowing...you guys bailed. The raid dissolved briefly and then reformed and went at it again... this time Fenalorn from DoM took over and had the plain sense rule of NBG on a quest drop and rolling on it if more than one raider needed it. It worked fine and we did get a lot of people drops that night. I will also say that every time I had done this raid before on my main the rolling on all quest items was standard.

With you and Jessail (after you looted a sash) it was "GFY if you want a sash, camp the corpse." Thats just stupid. As the raid leaders I don't think anyone had a problem with you guys doing the looting of all the crap that might drop...I know I didn't. That is how AoR raids are run, with the raid leaders doing all the looting but this is different in that our flag was going to be determined by looting those pieces that you guys said was beneath you...after you looted one yourself of course. Whether you can solo one of those giants or not...you DIDN'T..you got help from all of us there to get that drop and then treated us like peons.

In the time it took for the raid to get destroyed after your disastrous (and dare I say noobish) pull Jessail and you went to town on my guild in an open channel with strict rules against that. I defended not only my guild but the majority of the raid that felt you guys had screwed us over. I was getting defended from people who had been at that raid NOT im my guild as well...I told you in chat to cut your losses and told the both of you to STFU as the channel was NOT leaning your way. That was good advice and you should have taken it. You and Jessail had to keep attacking and whining until Sekkua told us all to STFU and I did...the two of you did not.

AoR gave you both a one month ban and I had nothing to do with it and was a bit surprised myself. I did expect a warning for the two of you perhaps but I did not ask ANYONE in AoR to punish you either. My main (Aaris) is one of the group leaders in AoR (as is Jessail) and one of the things you must know about us is that the rules are there in black and white. Sekkua is a raid leader...he told us all to cool it and if I had not followed that directive immediately I would have been banned as well even though I have assisted AoR since almost the beginning AND you both were insulting my guild in the AoR chat. So why should the rules NOT apply to you and Jessail?

SoH is not an uber guild. So what? We got some nice people and good players...just like most guilds. For you to pattern us as a bunch of whiners and complainers is just not true and I think people who have grouped with us and raided with us will agree.

Guild politics will always been an issue when it comes to EQ.


People assume far too much on both sides of any situation.

Personally i find it silly that people bitched about the sash since most of the time you can sit in that zone and for 10 min wait for one thats rotting (which happens alot, or at least used to). Bitching about such a petty thing has now done 2 things, A) caused the raid, which was to get medallions something that isnt as common as a sash to disband and B) has made im sure some people unwilling to go back to the zone for something of a similar mix.

Wein not that it would have been easy but i would have honestly just put them on ignore of course this is why i refuse to lead anything. Being a leader in RL is so different than taking the reigns in EQ mainly because you have joe smoe coming up to you like a leader when in fact they might be nothing like it. Its far too easy to pretend what you are not in EQ, something i find somewhat discomforting but then again who plays games to be themselves....im assuming its in the minority...


Sucks as far as the outcome is concerned but the more people think they know the more they think it allows them to lead in any given situation.



look at it this way.....at least you wont have to deal with 2x :p

Clarification for the mentally retarded.

That was not an AOR raid. It was in no way associated with the AOR. It even says on the fucking FAQ that anything not lead by the four raid leaders is not an AOR raid.

And Ebon, since this is nag and not the channel, it is pretty pathetic to whine about sashes. Ain/Jess were retarded to not just give everyone loot rights, but for Christs's sake, those are a dime a dozen.

Okay. First off the pull was fubar because the monk had aggro and he was in range of my AE song and I picked it up and did not notice til it was too late.

Second, don't ever fucking call me a newb. I was playing this game before you knew what the shit was, so fuck off. I saw shit 2 years ago that you still probably won't ever see.

Thirdly, we made the rules *so* clear. The only thing to be /random on was the medallions. If you want to make me find someone who actually keeps /log on, I will. The rules were clear buddy. If you cannot read, I'm sorry. Blame your parents.

Fourth, stop fucking overexaggerating your importance. I'll give you a guess as to how hard it would be for me to get enough people out there to farm a key for myself. Not very. You're kidding yourself if you think I would ever need your retarded ass.

Fifth, how can you blame us for claling your guild a bunch of newbies when you cry over loot that is common and rots half the time? Also, how can you blame us when you have idiots like Jerawhatever in your guild? You're as bad as <Zone> in my book. Keep your bitches on a leash and maybe someday that will change.

Being banned from AoR sucks. It was cool to get free flags, but I'll live. For one, I won't have to bare some of the nonsense that goes on there. Second, I will be happy knowing I've done nothing to help people like yourself.

With tolerance for those who whine more than myself...
(Omg stoled!)

Guilds Aside, U people need not to just jump in and instantly Start calling People Noobs and retards. This game only works if we work together, regardless or not if the Loot is dropping out of sky People need things for these quests and having people corpse camping to get em is not the way to do it! K i understand the the Goal of the Raid was the Medals off the named Giants, But for God sake have some respect for other peoples feelings and Sugestions. Yeah the pull was bad and we almost all died, but jeebus get over it and move on dont start calling people "FUCKING RETARDED" right off the bat. Truthfully the reason i left was that i could not stand the Attuditude.......... i do still need the Medals and i will get them some day but i'm not gonna sit there and listen to an empty can Rattle away in some EQ channell.... Flame away i'll probably never check this site again 8) ........

i want to say something to this

but this is just fucking stupid rofl

i'm bored



Orun

Ok, I know if i tried to use the quote function, I'd fuck it up, so I'm doing it this way:
Ainwein said: "After setting up we set the rules. This was a medallion raid. For those of you who don't know what that means, they are the pieces that dropped from the named. There are other pieces that can drop from the trash mobs, and they were stated to be OPEN LOTTO. They are fucking common drops on mobs that can be soloed. After stating the rules, NO ONE complained. Everyone was cool with it."

Ok, considering half the controversy is that Ainwein was looting stuff without giving anyone a chance on it, how is he not wrong? I know how easy it is to get crap drops for the BoT key, but Ainwein is going on and on about how he was in the right, where he clearly states that these "fucking common drops" are to be "OPEN LOTTO". If you're going to be defending yourself based on principles bub, don't shoot yourself in the foot to start things off

I wasnt online the night this occured (which many of you know if rare) but I heard about it from a few people.

First off, seems that Ainwenn and Jessail were not clear on loot rights (and I'm not talking about the explaination of it in this thread, but about what those who WERE on the raid have said). Once confronted with it (while people in the raid were starting to leave) they refused to comment or concede any loot rights and told people to wait around and check decayed bodies. Granted, these WERE incidental quest pieces to them (and for the raid in general) but many who attended needed these pieces and some were attending specifically because they knew they would pick some of these up. Granted, solo'able / Duo'able mobs or not (cause not everyone does have the experience, gear, multiple accounts (to two-box), etc) it would be real easy to either open all loot channels (because you know no one was going to jump on loot before you got a chance... or you could just kick them) or designate someone to deal with assigning the items out... so the leaders could concentrate on leading the raid.

Second off, why get all pushed out of shape, jumping down peoples throats, ranting and raving like a mad man, and vomiting out names and harsh comments about characters and their guilds? I know and have raided with Ebonknight a few times, and have done joint stuff with Sect of Honor in the past. They are by no means an uber guild, but are by all means very considerate and a fun bunch of souls to group and "play" with. (Yes, this is a game, and really sad when it comes down to senselessness.) I understand that alot of people are reading this thread and listening to a load of BS that slanders SoH, and I feel that it is wrong to brand them thusly. Take it for what you will.

Thirdly, drop the bash session and either learn from it (being; either dont group with people you had a bad experience with, or realize it was crappy communication and be more explicit next time - and i'm not pinpointing either side on this).... and if you cant learn from it, dont lead or participate in raids. Seems the "handling" of the troops was tactless and not in the hands of those possessing leadership abilities (and, again, I'm not bashing because I dont know Ainween nor Jessail... and sometimes people are just in a foul mood because RL shit does go on outside EQ...) But, come on! It isnt hard to see that there were people there in "need" of stuff that was dropping, and maybe they dont go sit in the zone to try to beg stuff off people that are fighting and going to let it decay... maybe they are off raiding another zone when time allows, or off LDoNing, and they came there with specific hopes of gathering this stuff along the way (which WAS dropping).

Wait... maybe I'm thinking too logically...
/pulls head out of ass

Sometimes posting is a waste of time... especially with the dumb shit i continue to see. Is this not a common sense topic? AND, if the raid loot rules were stated clearly, i do agree that fugg it... the leaders didnt need to try and sit around to find out who needed what - but at the same time, make it easy for the people involved to get what they needed.

Signez Soulbinder - Cleric of Nife
(xfer' Signus Soulbinder - Sol Ro)

Vhex -

I understand that this was not an AoR raid, just all of us recruited were in the AoR channel at the time. Thats all...nothing more and nothing less. The author dragged AoR into it over his ban and that is unfortunate all the way around. AoR is probably the most dynamic thing to happen on this server in a long long time... if not ever.

People were bailing over the loot rules imposed in THAT zone for THOSE mobs...right or wrong. I stated that I don't think anyone in attendance had a problem with the actual loot going to Ainewen and Jessail, at least that is my feeling on it. The problem was that people didn't want to stand around a corpse with a sash on it like a bunch of beggars. There was no need for it and it was pissing people off.

Greetings one and all,

I know not how many of you may not know me, but I do know I have been slowly leveling my Jeradiphia for 3 1/2 years now. I chose to be in a small friendly guild because that is what I need in my life right now. <Sect of Honor> has some really amazing people in it. Ebonknight, Tantara, Yensid, Arisen, Velvettouch, Queslar, Mordamus, Hanyou, and everyone else I group with on a daily or not basis, are really nice trusting people.

We are not by any means loot hogs, and I myself am not one. We ended up reforming after this mess and having a great time with open loot. Everyone was polite and saw who needed what and it went very well without thinking any of us were getting used by people who were rude to us.

That is exactly what happened, folks. Jessail was extremely rude and used her power as a lvl 65 cleric to act like she was more important than anyone else. You can bet despite her [sarcasm] loyalty to the raid, she was the first one to gate out and leave the rest of us to die when the "fubar" pull was assumed.

Ainwein took to Jessail's masterful and crafty way of using raids to their own advantage and started being really rude to us also. Together they were very partial to only themselves, who, in fact, we not what I would call essential. Ainwein can talk about gettin other character to help solo the mobs for him, but that was not the case. And what about those of us who do not hold more than 1 account/computer and really need a group outing to do this? I was under the impression that AoR was really good about helping other people out. And after all, I am always willing and able to come on raids for people whether it be for epic or whatnot, and you can attest me to that previous sentence at most any time I am not in a heavy group. Ainwein says he's seen stuff 2 years ago Ebonknight hasn't seen? Well does he know Ebon has a lvl 65 druid? Does he know long I have been on this game? He's the same level as I am [61] so I do not see how he is mightier and more important than any of our other raid mates that had accompanied us during that BoT key event.

Other people, not just Ebonknight, saw that Ainwein looted the first sash as fast as he could. I did not see that and was not a motive for my ranting. My ranting was on the basis of this:

1) Loot rules were unfair and very unspecific at the beginning. Open lotto was what I saw a few times. I also bet that other people like myself who have never been on a BoT key retrieval before did not know how rare/common the loots were.
2) I spoke independent of my guild and on behalf of my guild. Jessail and Ainwein we realized did not have the power to do this raid without us, that is true. We held 2 Enchanters [the only two], the main tank [Ebonknight], and a high-dps Wizard. Now you must realize something about me. I speak my mind when I feel I am getting ganked and when others are getting ganked and too nice to say anything about it. Both were valid conceptualizations here. I told in Raid that we wanted loot rules to be open before we went any further, because it had become apparent that Ainwein wanted to get all of the parts first, when he was no more valuable a component as any of the rest of us who attended. Anything beyond what I just stated I said, was my own opinion, not one of my guild's. So don't be so hasteful in ganking the entire guild on actions that I alone took. But it was decided we as a guild were leaving unless loot changed, before I said anything.
3) As I stated above, Ainwein and Jessail were very rude to everyone. A raid can't be done unless you show respect to each and every person. There was never a need to get down our throats and there was never any attempt by them to cooperate with the majority of the raid that felt the way <Sect of Honor> did.

Ainwein you can bash me all you want, because I do not care. I want to clarify some things you bashed me on in this forum. I was not in allmustdie when you and Jessail were ranting after the raid failed. So in no way could I have started it and no way could I have responded to it. Do not blame me for something I was not there to see in the first place. I told my story in full glory to one of the AoR leaders in a private tell because that is where it needed to be told. There was no cause whatsoever for a flame of any kind on me or my guild in open chat. It's not so much me I am worried about, but the person who really cares for AoR and <Sect of Honor> and that is Ebonknight. He's been [i don't know why] stressing over these untrue accusations. Most everyone who knows me or has grouped with me knows I am the biggest bitch if things arent done correctly. Take it how you will, but I am not going to change my way. I don't think anyone who has grouped or raided with me can say that I am not a good enchanter.

I have been hearing a lot about Ainwein and Jessail being banned from AoR for a bit, but I am not at all joyed by it in the way you probably think I am. I just wanted to things to be done right and not to be treated like some slave. I also will keep the name anonymous but someone else felt that since they were looting first that they might take off after they have the pieces and leave us hanging. Let's not forget that Ainwein didn't have the pieces. Most leaders I group with for these types of things are usually impartial because they have the key/whatever already.

I do apologize to those of you who endured the flame battle in raid or in allmustdie. But it is safe to know that the rudeness of Jessail and Ainwein will not plague AoR for a while and that we can only hope that no one gets worked up over this. I hope everyone has a safe and happy holiday season and I hope this conflict does not ever happen again.

Jeradiphia Uberchanter
Level 61 Phantasmist
<Sect of Honor>

i want to say something to this

but this is just fucking stupid rofl




stop replying to this post. this says it all. ainwen grow up.

First time in 4 years I've been labeled a noob =)

Not going to slam anyone but I will say that I was there as Arisen and Yensid and I DID NOT know what the loot rules were but since Yensid only needed a beard from the Ocean giants, I was just there to help out. I remember seeing Jessail apologize for not making the loot rules clear though. But whe someone questions this, to respond with nothing but profanity and sarcasm ??? Talk about something that will get you booted from a guild =)... anyhooo, the secons raid we put together was a blast and lots of peeps got their sashes and beards.. with 0 arguing...
I am pretty easy going but Ainwein definately instigated and escalated the entire thing...
Anyone that knows me knows how I play and act so I'll let those peeps read this for what they will...
Yensid 63 Sorcerer of SoH
Velvettouch 62 Cleric of SoH
Arisen 64 Chanter of SoH

Gosh, I am such a noob =)
Word to my Vision in Vegas pals out there =)

/spank Yensid ;)

Was nice meeting you in Vegas. Hopefully I'll be getting out there again this spring for Fan Faire and/or interviews...

Warm regards,
Nydia

It doesn't matter if you are level 65 and have been playing the game for 4 years. There are still people like that who are noobs.

These people don't know how to position NPC's, Die so not to train the entire group or raid, stop atacking when something is enraged and so on. I see a lot of level 65 noobs

I laugh when someone says to someone else "Don't call me a noob, because I have been playing the game since Jesus Crist Died" Well don't play like a noob and they won't call you one.

Gnore 65 Bard

BTW, In the above post, I am not calling anyone in this thread a Noob, I am just making a statement.

Sekkua > You

Get some history on a person before bashing them openly.

First let me say that you were Not Banned from AOR permanently. You were banned for 1 month.

It was MY decision no one elses. Sekkua stated he did not have the entire chat just what was said when he got invlove. what he posted to me is below:

Mon Dec 15 23:06:18 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Sorry to those who attended the BoT raid and are not retarded (Not you, Jeradiphia). '
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:19 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'Our concern was NOT the sashes, or the heads, or ANY of that.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:19 2003] Waddles tells allmustdie:2, 'i wouldn't let the actions of a few jerks ruin it'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:34 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'The 'few jerks' are the whiny whores in Sect of Honor who want sashes, even though we made it clear those were NOT a priority.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:37 2003] Wubba tells allmustdie:2, 'what happened?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:44 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'The whiny whores in Sect of Honor ruined the raid.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:48 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Jeradiphia had a fit because we didnt want to random the stupid sashes.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:50 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Because, OMG'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:53 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'JESSAIL, WTF?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:53 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'It was a medallion raid?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:06:57 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Oh, the sense of it all!'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:01 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, '/pounds head on table'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:06 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, '/join Ainwein'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:21 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'THERE WILL BE NO GUILD BASHING IN THIS CHANNEL...pleas show respect, jessail'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:29 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Haha.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:30 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'No. I have no respect for whiny bitches that ruin raids. None.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:32 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'dont bash my guild jackass '
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:47 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Your guild is pathetic. Does that work?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:53 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'we brought both the chanters, the MT and a wiz..without us there was NO RAID'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:54 2003] Torrence tells allmustdie:2, '=x'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:55 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Well take some where else...may i suggested starting the xohoydoabxmts channel?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:11 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'We made it clear that this was NOT a raid to farm sashes for retards> You can single group those.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:16 2003] Svetlanax tells allmustdie:2, 'err /moderate ?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:17 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'This was SPECIFICALLY for the named.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:23 2003] Sardera tells allmustdie:2, 'the point that they are trying to make is that we need the Bones Beards and shahes too U can't expect us to sit and watch someone Ninja all of am but whatever it's not my Raid =P'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:24 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'And you had to cause shit over it.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:24 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Jessail...'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:33 2003] Fenalorn tells allmustdie:2, 'Hey everyone'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:35 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'The dispute was over sashes... Which I could simply log on Talid and solo to get one.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:39 2003] Torrence tells allmustdie:2, 'so like.. no one wants to group in tactics?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:39 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'We were not there for the sashes.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:40 2003] Hudorm tells allmustdie:2, 'she's on FIRE'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:42 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'I explained this.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:44 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'ty sardera exactly'
[Mon Dec 15 23:08:55 2003] Leafstallker tells allmustdie:2, 'roflmao....grabbing the popcorn'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:02 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Your were told the loot rules PRIOR to engaging the mobs.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:02 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'WHAT PART OF "ONLY AINWEIN AND JESSAIL HAVE LOOT PRIVS" DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND?!'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:08 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'my guild wasnt the only one that thought your rules were fucked up'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:20 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Jessail chill out now...i wont warn u again'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:30 2003] Torrence tells allmustdie:2, 'well jessail when you tell a raid that only two peole have loot priviledges and they choose to leave, why hold it against them'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:35 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'not on no drop quest stuff jackass...should have been a roll THATS why we were there'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:43 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, '...'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:46 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Oh God.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:49 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Then when we announced loot rules'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:51 2003] Buadbank tells allmustdie:2, 'yes, please... if you want to bitch about guilds, please choose another channel'
[Mon Dec 15 23:09:53 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Why didnt you speak up?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:05 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'your and ainwein are fucking wrong and the chat is truning against you so STFU'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:07 2003] Cruxsis tells allmustdie:2, 'how did I understand that sashes and heads were fairly common, and rolling was only on named loots... ?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:16 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'Because you're not retarded, Crux.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:16 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Haha. The chat is against me!'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:38 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'EVERYONE CHILL THE ustg OUT...u all know better than this...god ulmx children'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:45 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'ainwein you made it seem like the sashes were nothing..you had lot privelege AND YOU LOOTED THE FIRST ONE'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:54 2003] Sardera tells allmustdie:2, 'anyways well night everyone ty for those that helped today in the Headge'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:56 2003] Garete tells allmustdie:2, 'hey chill out all...please take it to ooc or tells or something'
[Mon Dec 15 23:10:58 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'What is your point?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:05 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'And that's the only sash he'll need!'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:19 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'No, I was going to loot them all to make paper dolls.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:23 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Just to spite the angsty newbs.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:24 2003] Kineryen tells allmustdie:2, 'Qlain = Ainwein?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:26 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'Even though they're LORE and everyone.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:28 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'no shit but then you tell ther rest of us to GFO on any others'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:29 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Ebonknight, ainwein, Jessail....ceas this now.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:30 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Ebonknight, ainwein, Jessail....ceas this now.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:31 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Ebonknight, ainwein, Jessail....ceas this now.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:47 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Haha.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:47 2003] Daarek tells allmustdie:2, 'Its as easy as this, everyone STFU ! '
[Mon Dec 15 23:11:58 2003] Waddles tells allmustdie:2, 'is all of this over those common drops from the trash giants that drop like every other giant?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:03 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, '/nod Waddles'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:03 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Yes.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:07 2003] Leafstallker tells allmustdie:2, 'apparently so'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:07 2003] Waddles tells allmustdie:2, 'hell i'll help get the beards and sashes later'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:12 2003] Waddles tells allmustdie:2, 'isn't a big deal'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:12 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'That's what I said.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:13 2003] Lezarn tells allmustdie:2, 'Waddles = bad and evil'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:14 2003] Fenalorn tells allmustdie:2, 'So how about that rain yesterday morning?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:15 2003] Uween tells allmustdie:2, 'Take it to tell'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:17 2003] Fandane tells allmustdie:2, '/leave 2'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:20 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'Okay.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:25 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'This is what happened, ready?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:28 2003] Fandane tells allmustdie:2, 'whoops too much bickering in here tho'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:29 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Fuck it, Jess.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:32 2003] Waddles tells allmustdie:2, 'am not =[ now my MAIN, lez, you might have a point with hehe'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:36 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'If you want to keep sending me stupid tells, just post on the NAG board.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:41 2003] Sabyn tells allmustdie:2, 'jess, drop it.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:41 2003] Garete tells allmustdie:2, 'Peace be still....by the power of brell may this endless arueing cease'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:48 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'Ainwein and I announced the loot policy. Everything that was NON-NAMED was open loot. No one complained.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:50 2003] Fenalorn tells allmustdie:2, 'Who all still needs what from POS?? why not make some more groups and go back?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:12:55 2003] Cruxsis tells allmustdie:2, 'guys... seriously now.... we've got named giants up.... I can't do this thing alone, and would like some folks to do these named for a chance at medallions...'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:09 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'We made it VERY clear that our concern was the named, NOT the trash mobs.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:17 2003] Svetlanax tells allmustdie:2, 'yea thinking a lot of sashes will droip but in 6 giants only 1 dropped'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:20 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'To which there was not one objection. =P'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:22 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'well, that's your fault?'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:24 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'But all of the Sect of Honor folk that came with us made a big deal over it and trashed the raid, more or less.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:34 2003] Cruxsis tells allmustdie:2, 'ahem'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:35 2003] Nolx tells allmustdie:2, 'i just need 2 medallions and will to go to all camps to help others here'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:37 2003] Fenalorn tells allmustdie:2, 'If you still need medallions pls join POS'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:41 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'MOST of the SoH folk, sorry Crux'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:43 2003] Sabyn tells allmustdie:2, 'post on the boards about it then.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:43 2003] Fenalorn tells allmustdie:2, 'If you still need medallions pls join POS'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:44 2003] Boadicea tells the group, 'SLOWED -={{ a skeletal apprentice }}=-'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:45 2003] Fenalorn tells allmustdie:2, 'If you still need medallions pls join POS'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:46 2003] Sabyn tells allmustdie:2, 'none of us care.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:47 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'Oh, wait, you're in ragnarok.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:55 2003] Cruxsis tells allmustdie:2, 'I'm not SoH, just dislike generalizations'
[Mon Dec 15 23:13:57 2003] Channel allmustdie is now moderated
[Mon Dec 15 23:14:10 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Unbelievable'
[Mon Dec 15 23:14:17 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'I tried to be cool'
[Mon Dec 15 23:14:33 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Swifton always said i was too soft when it came this mfbcukkm'
[Mon Dec 15 23:14:38 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Well it ends tonight'
[Mon Dec 15 23:14:59 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'I have logged the last 20 or so lines and it will not be tolerated anymore'
[Mon Dec 15 23:15:11 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'The ppl who abused this channel know who u are.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:15:33 2003] You cannot speak on moderated channel allmustdie
[Mon Dec 15 23:15:40 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'Stop sending me tells and im leaving this channel moderated for a while until tempers and fingers calm down'

Now first I want to say that I could give a rats ass what happened at a raid one of the 4 AOR leaders was not leading.

Anyone is more than welcome to ask for assistance for ANY raid, group or Quest in the AOR chat. Raids not run by AOR go by their own rules ect and the results of those raids if detrimental are not AOR's Concern and will NOT be argued in chat.

You will notice in the script above Ebonknight did NOT bash a single guild. At one point Sekkua types your names and cease this now and says it three times and you and Jessail kept going with it.

When I read this I made the decision to Bann you both from AOR for 1 month for guild bashing / ignoring an AOR raid leader when told to stop doing so.

That was the ONLY reason you were banned.

After I made this decision I talked to vhex and decided to let the bann stand but give you both the opportunity to get it lifted by apologizng to Sekkua for ignoring him and smoothing things over with those in AOR chat.

This morning I lifted the bann on Ainwein because after considering it while at work I realized I unfairly put him in the same catagory as Jessail when deciding to bann him. It was Ainweins first offense however, and therefore he should get a warning.

Jessail on the other hand has been spoken to many many times before.


I had intended to apologise for over reacting when I saw you Ainwein but apparently you couldnt seem to wait to hit the nag board. /shrug

One of the LARGEST reasons for AOR's success is its guild Neutrality. ALLMUSTDIE is the ONLY chat on our server that anyone regardless of guild affiliation can join freely and not worry about guild polotics of any type.

We don't even allow anyone to speak harshly of a guild that beats us to our intended targets. and will always welcome members of any guild to any raid we hold.

It is NO easy task to keep such a thing running smoothly. In order to do so we need people to obey the rules which are duley posted on the AOR boards at all times.

we also need to have our leaders RESPECTED for the job that they do and the order they are trying to maintain.

We are NOT a guild. There fore we adopted a warning system with a few offenses bannable without recieving a Warning.

Breaking the no guild bashing rule is not a banning offence without warning and I over reacted when I banned you due to the association with jessail in this matter and I shouldnt have.

With that said you need to know that at this moment I have absolutely no idea who you are. The name doesnt even ring any bells. I don't know who EbonKnight is either so any percieved bias on my part is not possible.

Hell as I'm typing this I couldnt tell you the name of the guild involved.

The Guild tag means nothing in AOR and it needs to STAY that way in order for us to remain effective in our goals.

Jessails KNOWS guild bashing is not allowed. I assumed you did as well and I shouldnt have.

As it stands now you are NOT banned from attending AOR raids with my apologies for over reacting. You are on the Warning list instead whicch you can review at your lesiure on the AOR site.

I think you owe Sekkua an apology for ignoring him when he asked you to remove the issue from chat but in this case I won't push the issue.

Jessail is Banned for 1 month unless he apologizes to Sekkua and then has a chat with ME and we come to some form of agreement about his behaivior.

After the month if he decides not to return thats up to him.

Weather or not you still wish to continue with AOR is up to you.

Ok, considering half the controversy is that Ainwein was looting stuff without giving anyone a chance on it, how is he not wrong? I know how easy it is to get crap drops for the BoT key, but Ainwein is going on and on about how he was in the right, where he clearly states that these "fucking common drops" are to be "OPEN LOTTO". If you're going to be defending yourself based on principles bub, don't shoot yourself in the foot to start things off

Um, I'm not quite sure I understand what you're saying. The stupid trash mobs were open for anyone to loot. There had to be... at least 5 heads rotting at any given time, and if those twats didn't start whining, I'm sure sashes would have started rotting as well. Perhaps I should not have used the words 'Open Lotto', I'm not exactly sure what I said in chat. Regardless, it was explained our targets were the named giants, and the named giants only. Anything else was open to anyone who wanted to loot it. And as for the cash loot and shit people keep whining about, I didn't loot shit, so hush. As for opening the loot to everyone? Then people would start bitching when one person kept locking down all the corpses. It's a lose/lose situation, so I stuck with what was said at the beginning.

And jerawhatever, play the high and mighty card all you want... You are retarded. You are crying and bitching about rules you couldn't comprehend because of your unability to grasp common sense. You then informed you wanted to 'bash my fucking face in' (You're always welcome to try), and then today you sent me a taunting tell about being banned. (Well, yesterday). Not without instigation, I might add.

Yensid, sorry. Blanket statements suck. I know you're a good wizard. = /

Deecee, shut the hell up. Your own guildies cannot stand you. You were annoying in Imperial Order, and you still are. Doesn't IvM have some rule about keeping you quiet?

Anyway, it was my raid. I wasted my time getting people together so we could farm our BoT keys. If my loot rules were somehow unclear at the beginning of the raid, please, why didn't you speak up? I mean, it's obvious these sashes meant life or death to you, so why not say something in the beginning? And yeah, because I looted a sash it became 'Apparent that Ainwein wanted to get all the parts first'? Oh God. That's cute, really.

Assumptions for 500 Alex.

just so all know too avoid this sort of thing in the future. I just thought I would add something to my earlier post.

If you are ever Banned by AOR you will always be given an opportunity to get the bann lifted by discussing it with the leader who banned you or if the banning leader is a friend of yours another AOR leader who does not know you.

When I read this I made the decision to Bann you both from AOR for 1 month for guild bashing / ignoring an AOR raid leader when told to stop doing so.

After looking at the log, I don't see how I continued guild bashing after Sekkua told me to stop? After he said to end it, all I did was respond to one question. Then I told Jess to just stop, and for people to come post here if they had a problem because I was tired of being flooded by retarded tells from people I didn't know. Then Svet kept on going about 'Omg, I didnt know how rare sashes were or I would've complained111!!', so i told her it was her problem. I guess this is what we consider 'guild bashing' these days.

ainwein, since i know you and you know me and we both get along... My alt will be needing to do BoT mini's sometime in the near. You are welcome to come along and loot 1 mada from each mini ( 2 total ) when I do this.

I dont normaly Post under topics like this and I dont agree with the tittle of the post in anyway. Only thing to do is to grow up and move on. No point in letting a few people ruin your reputation on eq (yes it does matter).

P.S.

<3 oipunx

I already stated you banning was a mistake.

However if you wish to disput the point about continueing to guild bash after being told not to by sekkue see for yourself.


[Mon Dec 15 23:07:21 2003] Sekkua tells allmustdie:2, 'THERE WILL BE NO GUILD BASHING IN THIS CHANNEL...pleas show respect, jessail'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:29 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Haha.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:30 2003] Jessail tells allmustdie:2, 'No. I have no respect for whiny bitches that ruin raids. None.'
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:32 2003] Ebonknight tells allmustdie:2, 'dont bash my guild jackass '
[Mon Dec 15 23:07:47 2003] Ainwein tells allmustdie:2, 'Your guild is pathetic. Does that work?' [Mon Dec 15

nuff said

Sorry, didn't read that far up. Just started where Sekkua spazzed and spammed the three lines of 'OMG!'. My mistake.

And Kaleadar, maybe we could do that sometime. My BoT key isn't really a priority at the moment, but would be fun to group. Has been a while.

As for the reputation thing, I'm not sure I really care about the people whose view of me so so swiftly changed due to people like Jera and Ebonknight. And by not sure I mean I could give a shit less. I've been a member of this community long enough for most people to have made up their mind about me. Love me or hate me, I'm not leaving yet. =>

I'm not leaving yet.
Shit. :\

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Gratz on the ban lift, Ainwein. Jessail was the most problematic of you two anyways and I don't see why you try to insult me with remarks such as jerawhateverhernameis. I think you need to learn respect and show it before you can go bashing people. Just know that I don't have objection to your ban being lifted, after all it was a most personal thing between you and I, and our bitchiness started the whole stand off, along with the bitch of bitches[yes he even surpasses me], Jessail. I'm sure you'd make a good raid leader if you didn't associate yourself with the people of those likes. And no, I was not playing the high and mighty card. I play is straightforward and I don't give a fuck what you people think of me, just don't insult my guild and don't insult the other people who disagreed with you. Disagreements happen whether you want them to or not, so no reason to get heated over them.

Jeradiphia Uberchanter

I <3 Deecee too :(

/smack Wein

So many times I've found myself filling out these forms with nonsinsical blather with intent to belittle someone or some event. So many times have I been slapped down for being a tool. Well now I find myself trying to curb what I say to others (not always successful) and what I say here. For no simpler fact than I have trouble getting groups and trouble communicating with people sometimes. I feel that any hasty and emmotionally charged, irrations thought that I've put in writing has tainted Dextorr perminantly. Now instead of getting pissed off at individuals or groups, I get pissed at myself for falling victum to a verb trap. Damning people for pissing on me in any situation. my cureall at this point is /q if im livid, usually followed by an appology for plugging the next day. Now Dextorr is Corrupted, Jaded, disinfranchised if you will. At least its the way i feel when i think of how others look at me in game. I'm a newb by most of your standards, and always will be. But I come back to the game time and time again. I wipe my ignore list time and time again, because this not being the "real world," I don't see any room for grudge in my play.

I can say fuck you bitch to my rl friends all i want, and they sling it right back at me. We laugh and continue forward at some point, even though we may be saying "FUCK YOU" in anger sometimes. If you are going to continue to coexist in this game with these people, it is much easier to kiss and make up than to /ru and down each other every time you meet. Or transfer to another server and ruin your rep there too. I'm still on Aro stinking up the place with my newbness and ae rain suicide. If you are one that hates me, well come here and give me a kiss, I got some tobacco in my lip though. Kodiak type. 1ea.

Just a thought from a future cancer patient. Get along yous /point . Everyone will be the better for it. Negativity will continue to propigate if someone doesn't step up out of the shit. Sorry if any of this made no since, but it was "from the hip."

I think you need to learn respect and show it before you can go bashing people

The entire point of bashing people is that you have no respect for them, thanks.

This was a medallion raid. For those of you who don't know what that means, they are the pieces that dropped from the named. There are other pieces that can drop from the trash mobs, and they were stated to be OPEN LOTTO.

This clearly says other pieces that drop from trash mobs are open lotto.. I don't know this wein person, but it sounds like he was being a greedy sob. if you want to say FFA on everything but medallions then give everyone loot rights or you're not being fair.

What would happen if something cool dropped, think there is some bow and a katar(sp) that drops since it was a medallion raid would you want to keep those too?

sashes = part of bot key
raids can only have 12 looters made max = roll on no drop loots if they are soloable or not
that saves lots of headaches
enough said
SOH is a great guild and Ebonknight is a great freind and will help anyone that asks im sure this all would never have even started if the raid leaders were not n00bs

EDIT: Sig is too tall. No bigger than 450x150 please.

Fuck off.

I'm fucking greedy because I looted a stupid sash that drops like off every third mob? And for your information, I didnt loot any stupid cash shit. I do not need cash, and if by chance an item would have dropped I would not have looted it.

Second, I guess I underestimated the value of common drops to these people. When I stated the rules they AGREED. I understand people like Siludorf have problems understanding this, so I'll say it again.

WHEN RULES WERE ANNOUNCED THERE WAS NO ISSUE TAKEN WITH THEM.

Now, a lot of you retards seem to have trouble comprehending this simple fact. I WILL NOT CHANGE MY FUCKING RULES THAT YOU AGREED TO JUST BECAUSE YOU WHINE. I'd rather us get NO medallions at all, then to change my rules on the go because some idiots either:

A) Didn't take the time to listen
B) Cannot understand simple instructions
C) Just feel like whining

SOH is a great guild and Ebonknight is a great freind and will help anyone that asks im sure this all would never have even started if the raid leaders were not n00bs

Okay Mr. Blooddraw the Wanderer. Who the fuck are you again?

And to clarify, the 'OPEN LOTTO' thing was a misuse of words on my part. I don't believe I said that in the raid, but a log would be helpful. Either way, unless you're retarded there is no way you could have thought we were rolling on anything but medallions. I made it abdunantly clear.

Question: Who was on the loot list in the raid-window?

you were there to help yourself and your actions speak louder than all the screaming you do on the boards. if you were smart you'd shut up. before you get your painties in a bunch about my opinion on a situation i wasn't a part of, you post in nag you get opinions. you don't like em? fuckin shut up.

you were wrong in alot of peoples eyes. you should feel stupid for what you posted in the heat of your hissy fit.

Okay Mr. Blooddraw the Wanderer. Who the fuck are you again?

- and the hate counter continues to increase exponentially.
Player X scowls at you ready to attack...

And to clarify, the 'OPEN LOTTO' thing was a misuse of words on my part. I don't believe I said that in the raid, but a log would be helpful. Either way, unless you're retarded there is no way you could have thought we were rolling on anything but medallions. I made it abdunantly clear.

That's the whole point. You *think* it was abundantly clear, but from what has been said, when people found out what you really *meant* they left. It is obvious that it was *not* clear to a lot of people including SOH and the other 2 that left before them.

Look you don't even remember what you said during the raid:
I don't believe I said that in the raid, but a log would be helpful.

And you are not consistent with *what* you say..

no way you could have thought we were rolling on anything but medallions

if by chance an item would have dropped I would not have looted it.

So basically you're saying items worth 10-20k or whatever they are worth would have been FFA with only 2 looters and you would not have looted it. I just find that hard to believe.

I don't know anyone in SOH or anyone who was at that raid
so this is purely from an outsiders perspective w/o any bias.

Palimax, Jess and I were on the loot list. I did not loot anything except the sash, and did not plan to. If on the rare chance something of value dropped I would let Jessail handle it. I honestly had NO IDEA that sashes were THAT big of a deal to them. I tried to adhere to the rules I thought were fair and effecient. I did NOT want to have to halt pulls every 2 minutes when a sash dropped so we could random. If there would have been an objection when the rules were laid perhaps things would have been different.

And to KMA. Fuck you, inbred piece of shit. While some people on the boards might not care about my opinion, NO ONE cares about yours. You're a worthless human being. Go back to stirring up Anti-American bullshit, or better yet, end yourself.

Siludorf, you just don't know me. Your guildmate, Tenenbaum was there. Ask him if he thinks I would have taken it. I'm not greedy. Hell, when people began to complain about the sashes I told them that no, we would not roll on them during the duration of the raid, but AFTERWARDS I would be GLAD to help them farm one myself. So greedy.

Even now, for those people who still need their BoT keys I would be glad to help if I am not busy, save that you aren't one of the people who were whining so much last night.

Ok I usually shudder to post here but:

The key parts are simply way too easy to get (aside from the medalions) to complain about. To put this into perspective I got 5/6 parts in one evening. Just hanging out in the zone i looted a sash, giant heads, heck and there was even a raid that went down (which i was not part of) and they /ooc the med. Call me lucky or whatever, but I fail to see how the BoT key is all that difficult.

Even a "newb" (someone else's description not mine) guild should be able to see that the parts are fairly simple to collect; All the parts except for the medallions can be done with a single group, and I got mine standing around the zone /lfg.

This thread reminds me of a joke.

Whats better than winning a gold medal at the Special Olympics?

Not being retarded.

I've been outta the game for a while now, would anyone care to enlighten me as to who or what AoR is? :p

Vahs!

Ainwein -

Blooddraw is a 65th lvl Cleric from VA.

You know, I told you the other night to STFU and quit. I will tell you again and this time you should heed my friendly advice. Lets see:

Of the 63 posts logged (including this one) 12 of them are by YOU trying to DEFEND your position. Why are you spending so much time clarifying and restating what happened if you came here to attack me, my guild, AoR, anyone who happens to disagree with you..etc? Because your wrong.

You were wrong then and your still wrong now. There was no reason to make the 20 or so raiders stand around like freakin beggars waiting for a loot timer to expire on these quest drops. Even your friends have told you it was retarded not to open up the corpses.

You did get reinstated into AoR somehow with only a warning. Grats on that, my respect for the leadership goes up yet another notch for seriously turning the other cheek to you. Sekkua and Swifton really gave you a break after the shit spouted by you in some of your posts about them, AoR, and its mission. Not to mention the title of this post of yours.

Yes, the quest drops can be common there. So? What was the point of letting the camp fill up with corpses while everyone was waiting around for them? Once again, thats just lame. As has been shown here, your loot rules were not stated as clearly as you thought and Jessail (of all people) even apologized for it to the raid after the wipe initiated by you bringing 6 mobs back to camp.

You think because you were "raid leader" there was no give and take on this? "Your" raid leadership consisted of suggesting we get some peeps together to do bot keys in the channel of a organization you have since told to fuck off.

"Your" raid was disintegrating around you BECAUSE the mobs were so easy and you guys were making it so difficult and uncomfortable for everyone. Why should we stay to take your shit? Standing around a corpse was no fun for the people doing it..and no fun for me to see it. What did you do to earn our respect? It was not a difficult raid as has been so clearly stated by EVERYONE including yourself. There were no twisting labyrinths that you led us bravely through, no special super duper strats you made us poor peons privy to. Nothing.

In fact it was a standard pull to camp scenario that the two of you managed to screw up. In fact, all you two did was screw up:

1) Jessail had a flawed pulling strategy which he later apologized for
2) You pulled a train of 6 or 7 on top of us instead of dying out
3) You looted the first of these "oh so common drops"...this did not go over well with a lot of people in attendance as you had the loot privileges and we did not. And you say you were doing us a favor? It was perceived quite differently by the majority of the raid I can assure you.
4) When the first two raiders left over your abrasive GFY attitude on these very common drops you didn't change EVEN after I told you in tells that it would be a good idea to open it up or the raid was probably done...yet somehow you blame me and my guild?
5) The two of you then go off spouting shit in a channel with strict rules against it
6) THEN you bring this moronic whining to the NAG boards where you are constantly being put on the defensive.

Seriously, STFU and quit while you are behind.

Oh, wow. Am I supposed to look up to a 65 cleric in VA or something? Oh boy! He's in a guild I was in 2 years ago! /swoon

You were wrong then and your still wrong now. There was no reason to make the 20 or so raiders stand around like freakin beggars waiting for a loot timer to expire on these quest drops. Even your friends have told you it was retarded not to open up the corpses.


Please, post a log. I want to SEE what I said regarding the loot prior to pulling. If it isn't abundantly clear then I will apologize. What happens when I open the corpses and people start crying because 'Omg, Im lagging and cant click it fast enough' or 'Blah blah, random_person_001 is looting all the stuff before I can get to it'. Or, what about those coveted 20k drops! Imagine the rage if someone made off with those!

Your" raid was disintegrating around you BECAUSE the mobs were so easy and you guys were making it so difficult and uncomfortable for everyone. Why should we stay to take your shit? Standing around a corpse was no fun for the people doing it..and no fun for me to see it. What did you do to earn our respect? It was not a difficult raid as has been so clearly stated by EVERYONE including yourself. There were no twisting labyrinths that you led us bravely through, no special super duper strats you made us poor peons privy to. Nothing.


After you retards started bitching and two people left I just disbanded it. Sure, I could have told you guys we'd sit there and roll, but guess what? I didn't want to! See, I have trouble listening to people like yourself. If you tell me what to do, I'll tell you to fuck off. I could CARE less either way if I got my BoT key that night. What I DID NOT want to do was waste my damn time listening to a bunch of idiots whine.

1) Jessail had a flawed pulling strategy which he later apologized for
2) You pulled a train of 6 or 7 on top of us instead of dying out
3) You looted the first of these "oh so common drops"...this did not go over well with a lot of people in attendance as you had the loot privileges and we did not. And you say you were doing us a favor? It was perceived quite differently by the majority of the raid I can assure you.
4) When the first two raiders left over your abrasive GFY attitude on these very common drops you didn't change EVEN after I told you in tells that it would be a good idea to open it up or the raid was probably done...yet somehow you blame me and my guild?
5) The two of you then go off spouting shit in a channel with strict rules against it
6) THEN you bring this moronic whining to the NAG boards where you are constantly being put on the defensive.

1)Jessail did not have a flawed pulling strategy.
2)Yes, I made a mistake. I did not notice they were on me until it was too late. Mistakes happen.
3) I'll let you take a guess at how much I really care.
4) I'd rather disband the raid then listen to people whine.
5) Yeah, and you didn't spout off shit? Pot. Kettle. Black...
6) It's NAG, you dumbass. If you make a post called 'Fuck AoR' you're going to have dumbasses cry about it. I'm glad you called your whole 4 friends to your rescue though.


I'm interested though. How am I behind? Because a couple of your friends and AoR members are pissed? Oh, wow. I could not have seen that coming when I made a post called 'Fuck AoR'. Really, you don't understand anything. I digress though. I've been too throughly owned by someone who barely registers on my radar.

Toodles.

WHEN IS THE "NUFF SAID GOING TO ACTUALLY STICK ??

lmao arisen i saw that on just about every post.

I find it funny when people say 2 1/2 years is a long time to have been playing EQ, hit the 4 1/2 year mark like some of us then talk :)


not meaning to flame anyone.


Btw, i just retired!

lmao arisen i saw that on just about every post

No, you saw it in every post. Because it's in his sig. Crackhead.

You can rent the gun but you have to buy the bullet. Please kill yourselves,

will give 1gold to each person who posts here if we can beat a dead horse till its longer then the F LS post...

in all honesty I would just drop this, no one is going to really listen to you man... when you post in the NAG section you basicly say "hey, bitch me out cause even if you agree with me you are not going to post it."

threads that get to about page 4 - 5 get to the point where you might as well grab a coke and cook some popcorn, cause thats when it starts to get fun after page 9 they normaly just repost what the person ahead of them posted :(

like you said people have made up their minds about people. Continuing to post here does not do any good but just lets them express their anger and hate twards you mean while just making you totaly pissed off and they sit back laughing. :(

P.S. the grow up and move on was not totaly aimed at you bro...

<3 Almightie :( i miss you man

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After you retards started bitching and two people left I just disbanded it. Sure, I could have told you guys we'd sit there and roll, but guess what? I didn't want to! See, I have trouble listening to people like yourself. If you tell me what to do, I'll tell you to fuck off. I could CARE less either way if I got my BoT key that night. What I DID NOT want to do was waste my damn time listening to a bunch of idiots whine.
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You were not the one who ended the raid. It was everyone who was pissed off at your childish loot rules who left and THEN you strode off so galantly as you seem to think. Don't stray your stories from the path. We all can attest to you not being the deciding factor. And I do also remember the word "lotto" somewhere in the beginning of our raid but that is neither here nor there

jeradiphia

rofl keep posting kid. you're actually starting make me smile. pathetic to watch someone have a meltdown on an eq message board, but it couldn't happen to a more deserving little pussy. owned by people who aren't even on your radar eh? rofl coming from a fuckin genius that can't figure out a bards ae agros mobs. or from a dipshit tryin to leech a piece of shit flag that most people have had for a year now? you're a classic. the nameds are damned near duoable to most people that have a clue. it doesn't surprise me that you weren't able to find any friends to help you. crybaby. get it all out of you're system tho child. vent away. i'm almost entertained. nm no i'm not. worthless fuck.

[Mon Dec 15 23:11:47 2003] Daarek tells allmustdie:2, 'Its as easy as this, everyone STFU ! '

Slash nod

Although a few of his past quotes, "WHAT IS THIS, A SCHOOL FOR ANTS?", have made me think different, i think Daarek Zoolander has a pretty good idea? 8o

Shit, keep it up. This is the most entertaining thing I have read in a while.

Hell, even the time we 'supposedly' gimped the key dropper in VT from VA didn't even make it here. :(

Ain's worst offense was that he looted a sash with his l33t looting rights. Yeah...it prolly sucks to those who needed the piece. Ain certainly overreacted...but some perspective is needed here. People are getting upset over an item that can be solo'd with a fair amount of luck...or just easily duo'd...as opposed to making a raid where people could actually get stuff that it takes a good chunk of people together to get.

Greater good vs wasting an entire night getting something that can easily be done without using up an entire raid's worth of people. Ain was choosing the greater good...even if he seems to have problems being diplomatic about it. Ain made a faulty assumption that no one would be interested in slowing down the raid on trash bits of the BoT key.

Maybe he was greedy and just nabbed it...ultimately...who cares. You don't assemble a BoT key piece raid to hunt trash mobs. If a trash piece drops it's completely secondary to why you are there. By him looting it, you were possibly set back in your EQ career for the 30 min max it would take to get yourself one anyway. Yeah...it was probably annoying, but making an issue out of it (in this case) was pretty stupid =/. If he had been indiscriminately looting BoT medallion pieces, this would have been a more legitimate reason to be upset.

You were not the one who ended the raid. It was everyone who was pissed off at your childish loot rules who left and THEN you strode off so galantly as you seem to think. Don't stray your stories from the path. We all can attest to you not being the deciding factor. And I do also remember the word "lotto" somewhere in the beginning of our raid but that is neither here nor there

Um, if I had wanted the raid to continue all I had to do was let you guys have your way and let you guys /random the copper and all the other goodies that dropped. I chose not to, which ended the raid. Two people had disbanded by the time I dropped the raid. Nice try though.

And KMA. Honestly... I'll give you like, 50k if you can find one person who actually likes you. =(

all you whiners just got pwnd by Lyrik

And KMA. Honestly... I'll give you like, 50k if you can find one person who actually likes you

I will actually like you for a split on the 50k, 49k to me and 1k to you.

I like KMA

KMA, meet behind the tree to give me my share of the money.

Hi everyone,

I am sad today. I have found out that I am a ...NEWB!

I must be because:

I didn't know that when a raid leader says "common drops are open lotto" it REALLY means "I will loot what I want first and everyone else can camp the corpses".

I didn't know that when a raid leader says "I am sorry that the loot rules were not more clear" it REALLY means "The loot rules were clearly spelled out beforehand and you misunderstood because you are retarded".

And lastly, I didn't know that when a raid leader pulls a NEWB stunt and trains his raid on a bad pull because he forgot he had a AE song playing it REALLY means ... "You, the raiders, are NEWB for not knowing what I meant"

WTF? Yet ANOTHER RL student with a desire to play a bard?

Even the title of the thread was a mistake. It's only connection to AoR was the fact that you went to the chat channel they use to beg for help. It was YOUR raid. With your greed and your inability to work with others which INCLUDES an apparent lack communication skills, YOU failed.

If AoR had ANY part in this whole screw up it was in giving to many warnings before shutting down the guild bashing.

'Nuff said?

Yep. Maybe to much said. :b

-Xeck-

Actually posts like this do really help if lots of people like Oipunx and Kaleadar and Tenenbaum back this guy up then I am sure I just mis-judged =]

I remember when all I needed was a shash to complete my and Tealk from FoD let me loot one, and just a few hours before that he had rezzed me in gunthak (sp) and the day before I watched him 2 box a pally epic piece for my friend, and at that point I had just met the most UBER paladin ever.. so things are very relative! One mans junk is another mans gold!

Lets hijack this thread into why I love Tealk!

Bashing the best thing a group of people have done to help others on this server including you, and then using there good name/channel to get loot.
Very bad taste.
You can justify all you want, it was wrong.

KMA, meet behind the tree to give me my share of the money.It's pretty clear to everyone you guys were meeting behind the tree anyway...

I would hope this to be the last thread, the thread that ends all threads....


Afterwards, with open loot priviledges, we did not even have to lotto, we simple asked who needed it and they went up and looted while inbetween pulls. It was as simple as that. "A tiger wasn't born a fierce killer, we humans made it kill". It's kind of like that. Make people go nuts over strict priviledge "easy soloable" mobs and that's what you get Ainwein. Do it the civilized way and people act civilized.

Shit, keep it up. This is the most entertaining thing I have read in a while.

Hell, even the time we 'supposedly' gimped the key dropper in VT from VA didn't even make it here.

Why bother with a "supposed" event? There are several other actual events we could have posted if we had wanted to start an anti-FD NAG....

Xeck - First off, you weren't there. So please, shut the hell up. You're going off of 'He said she said' bullshit and you know it. You think I'm greedy? Okay. I've been called worse. Anyone who knows me personally can say otherwise, but your ignorance suits you well.

I mean, how greedy must I be? Even after everyone kept bitching and whining I told them that I would waste even more time helping them acquire their oh so precious sashes after the medallion raid. Seriously, stop making yourself look retarded.

'Fuck AoR' might have been taking it a tad too far. I suppose I shouldn't bastardize an entire organization when there are only a few select people I dislike. My apologies to those who were offended. >_<

It's pretty clear to everyone you guys were meeting behind the tree anyway...

huhu!

GoThreadGo!

I keep waiting for him to Page 8 himself, if anybody remembers that one.

Page 8Am I the only one who browses more than 20 messages per page?

I do 40.

You people bitching about camping corpses remind me of the fuckstick newbs who used to sit in Icewell and fight over who got to loot the armor off the dwarves I was killing.

I have tried to help many people in my day because of the people that have helped me.

People seem to be missing the main idea was wein set up the raid to get people things they could not do on their own, so he looted a common drop at least he didnt loot a medallion instead he opened it to all, a greedy person would have looted everything and left without a word.

To be honest from what i have seen a chanter and a druid can duo the named giants and im sure wein knows enough people to where if he wanted to get himself the key he could have. You guys are all missing the point which saddens me.

Granted wein could have not looted the sash but i dont see one person that says thanks for trying. Helping others can try ones patience i think most of us know this, but regardless of what the outcome ends up its always friendly to say thanks.

Things with the PoS raid went sour but no one even attempted to say thanks for even offering or trying to help others. Multiple times wein sat here and stated he was willing to stay and help others get what they wanted, which seems far from greedy. Course they are just words same as we all say its the person behind them that we trust.

Alot of what i have seen in EQ has led me to believe what i can and cant and 90% of the time i dont trust you, but i dont depend on you either. Logically i would assume wein to be able to get his parts with the friends his has np but he choose to take a different route, one i most likely would have stayed clear from. And not one person has even thought of saying "hey considering our differences and the way the situation ended i do appreciate you setting up what you did, you might have taken a different direction than me but its appreciated non-the-less".

I dont even wait to be thanked for shit anymore, someone asks for help and 90% of the time i tried to answer that as best i could, i didnt wait for please or thank you anymore because its not said with a shred of fucking meaning by most people. Its just being polite, what i did today would be forgotten yesterday, and anyone who says different is kidding themselves.

So as far as I am concerned wein you may or may not have fucked up i wasnt there and so therefor will not choose to make any forward comments on such a situation. Sorry things went sour for the raid and the outcome was pretty shitty but thanks for trying to do at least something for others.

AoR the same goes to you, you guys deal with issues and bitter replies all the time and it sucks to deal with but you handle it well.


To everyone else /shrug keep walking around and seeing only the path that lies ahead, like a horse with blinders on. Sashes are petty common and if you have ever tried to lead a group in something its either take care of things on the go or FFA shit, personally i would have just let things FFA. The parts for the gate neck that SoT doesnt raid anymore was a pain to get, PoA frag or PoW frag, was all FFA thats with 70 fucking people or more all waiting for the corpse to pop open so we can loot "A piece". Try being a monk or bard in POP where pulls are basically dependant on you. Wein led the raid, for him to loot a sash considering how busy he might with other things i wouldnt consider horribly wrong unless he left right afterwards.


Its a game that is meant to be enjoyed. So many have forgotten that meaning it seems, and freak over the slightest inconvenience wein included.


PS pulling for any class is hard and mistakes are bound to happen. I like to think i know what im doing and i fuck up enough to admit to it, and i have played for a long ass time, most people that know dae might not have known i played a shaman named kekil, before him i played a warrior named Cenlaen, I remember links before EW, i remember when CN was top dog on CT when the move to Aro was made. I remember watching CT's Best of the Best for quite a few of the classes. So much has changed of people and attitudes in EQ, things are so opposite on the spectrum scale wise its almost like there is no such thing as a middle ground. You either act complete right or complete left.


Should just drop this shit now and think different about how open raids work. Never depend on anything and always be ready for the worst, i dont remember ever thinking so pesimistically (if thats even a word) but i can promise EQ had a lot to do with it. Either go to help, or go for yourself. But dont talk about the greed for others when you yourself only went to benefit yourself (in most cases i understand its generalized but pretty sure most of you were there for YOUR own benefits and could care less of someone elses' long as YOU got what YOU wanted.


/flame on

I had this really important thing to say but reading... well skimming... OK, actually just scrolling past... Dae's post made me tired.

Kale, you owe me 1GP. Here's hoping I get a chance to log in and collect!

I Can't believe people are still aruging over this crap. I don;t really know many people in SoH, but if you're all that upset about it, you could have already gotten half you're people sashes by now if you spent less time posting and more time killing in PoS.

I am not here to defend or bash ainwein; it was his raid and if you didn;t like it you should just leave and start you're own. Heck you already pointed out you supplied a bulk of the people, so then just do it your self, then you can roll on the sashes each time one drops etc.

Bad things sometimes happen in EQ, best to just get over it and move on. Sure bad pulls, you didn;t like the loot etc etc. It's over now . .just move on and if you think you can do better PoS is not exactly a crowded zone, so get on with it already . . . .

Ainwen, you should reread all of this and realize how much of an ass you sound like. The title itself leads me to believe you are spastic little hot-headed dweeb. You escalated hostilities initially and continued to burn bridges throughout. I hope you are just having a bad week, because I hate to think I share this server with someone who behaves like you on a regular basis.

You started name calling and referring to SoH and their members as noobies and whiny little bitches, yet you are the dumb-ass who I see doing all the whining.

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The newb part is laughable, their members had alts as high or higher than you. I wont touch upon the "i did things two years ago" bullshit. Get a clue. No one is impressed by what an old guild managed to do for you. In a guild now? I doubt it.

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You have to repeatedly say how these sashes were so inconsequential, but You looted one immediately. If they are so easy for you to solo, why the hell would you loot it. Open loot huh? Sounds like you thought you deserved it for all your hard work organizing a raid. " hey anyone want to do key parts, come to here" Nice, again I'm impressed with your skill.

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I shouldn't even mention you training the raid instead of just taking the hit yourself. Bards are hard to play, I know, I play one. But calling others noobies when you are the one showing lacking performance, I think is a bit ridiculous. It's not that you got the aggro, that happens. It is that you play it off like you are cool still and others aren't. Team player.

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You titled this post like a true ass. Im amazed they allowed you back in at all. Next time why don't you take a day to cool off. You insulted them because people weren't happy with the way you were handling something. It's laughable how you claim to have not needed them, yet it seems they would have been better off without you. You were the one not needed and acting irrational. You ignored the mod in the channel as well. I hope AOR doesn't allow you to be any sort of spokesman, recruiter, or doormat for them again. It's in their best interest.

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I can't get over the whiny little bitch part. YOU are the one who behaves, acts, and sounds like a whiny little bitch. Almost every post you made here is a testament to that. Way to go dumbass on being the epitome of the "pot-kettle-black". Throwing a fit not only that night, but here as well reassures me that you have a few issues that need to be ironed out before you lead anything, even an open raid where people know what they are doing.


= You suck! You are wrong! You should feel ashamed, apologize to all parties involved, and lay low watching some cartoons this week. Continuing to embarrass yourself on these boards and in game is only further detrimental to you and your reputation. Take a week off, enjoy the holidays, and hope these people forget what a little sissy boy you acted like over this.

Since your gratuitous use of the word fuck dominates your rather elegant vocabulary, I'll sum this up at the end likewise for you. Learn Fucknut!

Xane

Not caring about your opinion

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Long post

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You're gay!

FIFTH PAGE POST!!

i was gonna reply but xane summed it up pretty well.

was gonna carve our intials in our tree Marz but i think L2 would hunt you down and kill you in a fit of jealous rage. it'll be our secret tho. was a well spent 25k.

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Get some information you fucking retard.

The newb part is laughable, their members had alts as high or higher than you. I wont touch upon the "i did things two years ago" bullshit. Get a clue. No one is impressed by what an old guild managed to do for you. In a guild now? I doubt it.

Omg, they are higher than me? Wow, maybe because I de-leveled when I was 60 like, 2 years ago? Oh, you didn't know that? Maybe you should figure out what the fuck you're talking about.

You have to repeatedly say how these sashes were so inconsequential, but You looted one immediately. If they are so easy for you to solo, why the hell would you loot it. Open loot huh? Sounds like you thought you deserved it for all your hard work organizing a raid. " hey anyone want to do key parts, come to here" Nice, again I'm impressed with your skill.

Um, because it was a common drop that I needed and it was sitting there? ROFFLES. Jeez, common sense hurts the head sometimes, huh? Honestly, there probably would have been sashes rotting you dumbass. Even if not, I like how you convienently look over the fact that I said after the raid I WOULD HELP FARM ADDITIONAL SASHES FOR ANYONE WHO DIDN'T GET ONE. CAN YOU FUCKING READ?

I shouldn't even mention you training the raid instead of just taking the hit yourself. Bards are hard to play, I know, I play one. But calling others noobies when you are the one showing lacking performance, I think is a bit ridiculous. It's not that you got the aggro, that happens. It is that you play it off like you are cool still and others aren't. Team player.

I call them newbies because they fucking cry over retarded loot. Can you comprehend anything?

You titled this post like a true ass. Im amazed they allowed you back in at all. Next time why don't you take a day to cool off. You insulted them because people weren't happy with the way you were handling something. It's laughable how you claim to have not needed them, yet it seems they would have been better off without you. You were the one not needed and acting irrational. You ignored the mod in the channel as well. I hope AOR doesn't allow you to be any sort of spokesman, recruiter, or doormat for them again. It's in their best interest.

Yeah, I'm an ass. Next time on a guild raid (If you ever manage to find a guild), when it comes time to loot why dont you bitch and whine about the guild loot rules and see where that gets you, k?

I can't get over the whiny little bitch part. YOU are the one who behaves, acts, and sounds like a whiny little bitch. Almost every post you made here is a testament to that. Way to go dumbass on being the epitome of the "pot-kettle-black". Throwing a fit not only that night, but here as well reassures me that you have a few issues that need to be ironed out before you lead anything, even an open raid where people know what they are doing.

Hmm. Every post after the original post is explaining myself since idiots like you seem to not be able to comprehend this. Is this post whining?

[quote= You suck! You are wrong! You should feel ashamed, apologize to all parties involved, and lay low watching some cartoons this week. Continuing to embarrass yourself on these boards and in game is only further detrimental to you and your reputation. Take a week off, enjoy the holidays, and hope these people forget what a little sissy boy you acted like over this.[/quote]

You suck. I am not wrong. The only thing I consider remotely wrong was open bashing the entire AoR. I would never apologize to those inbreds. The only people who are fucking whining are the retards who grovel for Lord Bob loots.

I'm glad you are concerned for my reputation, but your approval (Or lack thereof) really means shit to me. The great thing about Everquest is I can say almost without a shadow of a doubt that I will never have to endure you in game. You'd fit nicely in SoH though. Keep up the good work.

In closing, take your greenpeace bullshit and your misinformed opinions elsewhere. Thank you.

I <3 AOR

Ainwein you are such a fucking ignorant prick. Hmmm let's see you keep saying you didn't need us to raid this shit so why did you do it anyways. It so obvious that your main intent was to get every part that night for YOURSELF, and especially before anyone else. This aint a fucking guild raid either. This is open raid. Guild morale does not apply you dumb ass idiot. Delevel or not, right now I'm playin a 62 enchanter and 65 wizard, you fuckin noob. Call upon all your John Doe friends all you fucking want, but I didn't see them there helping YOU, cuz you sure as hell didn't help us which is what a raid leader does. You're the biggest fucking ignorant bastard I have seen since ZOMMY and you deserve to go to a PK server and die like the fuckin noob you are at least 100 times a day.

To those of you who say why SOH didn't do their own raid? Well we did right after, like I said earlier. So read the fucking posts before this so I don't have to be repetitive like all of Ainwein's posts have been. Same shit reply after reply after reply. Harsh slander and cuss words just got a new lame user and his name is Ainwein because thats the only thing he uses to justify his righteousness. Well i sure hope your steed boots you off his back and starts slammin your ass into the ground because your a fucking 15 year old ebay-from-mom's-credit-card-equivalent lil asshole.

Go fuck yourself Ainwein, cuz sure aint no one else going to.

With how rude you were you were gunna say anything to get us to stay.

I did not believe one fucking bit that you were gunna stay and help us. It woulda been either, Fuck you all, or Awww time for bed just in time for me to make my bot key.

So fuck you again

somewhere in this thread...

is alot of anger, can YOU find it?

I'm just adding names to my list of "prevent from getting flags they need" list. It's like Christmas for me.

damn broken juke box dewd, im sorry i turned down tankin this for you. such drama! p

Last post on this thread.

Ainwein you are such a fucking ignorant prick. Hmmm let's see you keep saying you didn't need us to raid this shit so why did you do it anyways. It so obvious that your main intent was to get every part that night for YOURSELF, and especially before anyone else. This aint a fucking guild raid either. This is open raid. Guild morale does not apply you dumb ass idiot. Delevel or not, right now I'm playin a 62 enchanter and 65 wizard, you fuckin noob. Call upon all your John Doe friends all you fucking want, but I didn't see them there helping YOU, cuz you sure as hell didn't help us which is what a raid leader does. You're the biggest fucking ignorant bastard I have seen since ZOMMY and you deserve to go to a PK server and die like the fuckin noob you are at least 100 times a day.


Let's see...

Estimated time to log in Talid... 2 minutes.
Estimated time to log in Jessail... 2 minutes
Estimated time to run them to the camp in PoS...5 minutes.
Estimated time until drop...10 minutes.

VS.

Spamming in in AoR chat...15 minutes
Getting everyone to PoS...15 minutes
Setting up buffs...10 minutes
Pulling and killing until a sash dropped...2 minutes.
Putting up with a bunch of idiots such as yourself... Too long

IT JUST DOESN'T ADD UP!

And seriously, it makes me giggle inside to see you call me a newb. By what criteria do I become more 'newblike' than you?

Have you seen more content? No.
Have you been around longer? I'm guessing no.
Do I cry about worthless loot? Only when Talid is leading the raid. = /

Nice points though, they all make so much sense! Anyway, this is getting rather redundant. If you really want to see me die that bad, send me a tell in game. Toodles!

"Toodles" ~ Ainwen

And you questioned my sexuality?

Grats on delevelling, maybe you should do it again and try to do it right this time. I like the insults though, really quite clever. I suppose you and talid are "cyber" friends from both of your comments. Im impressed you have seen so much content, no really you are cool. I bet those people just love you too. Im thrilled you have been around A ro since its inception too, like many of us but if you somehow think that the amount of time you spend in front of the computer qualifies you as being cool enough to spout such nonsense like the dipshit you are, you have been the one misinformed.

Its really cool you delevelled too, that makes me believe you are so much cooler. Think maybe you'd learn the class the second time around? Certainly didnt learn anything about human relations. You went off half cocked and ranted and raved about who was a bitch and fuck him and her, yet you failed to realize what an amazing chodesmoker you sound like.

If you think because you have spent your entire waking life on EQ since its inception you are somehow cooler than the guy that just booted it last week for the first time, you are a bigger dumbass than I first suspected. Grats on not having a clue about how to behave yourself like a big boy. Maybe your friends on this server will keep you happier someday. I bet you exchange all sorts of witty banter with them like " u r the gay" and other clever teenage angst ridden ridicule to deter the bad thoughts about how everyone in RL perceives you.

Whoever deluded you into thinking you were cool enough to put others down, was as big as a dipshit as you are. Get over yourself buddy. You acted like an ass and you should learn how to recover instead of digging deeper. I can tell in your mind you think you are one of the best, look around kid, you aren't shit. Talid's comments were clever too, perhaps his gay innuendos are revealing a bit too much. Funny how those that like to talk about that sort of thing so much are always the ones to watch out for.

Greenpeace yeah, I'd stomp a mudhole in your whiny little ass and walk it dry and then go and hug a friggen tree. Im sure you are Jessail and your friends are a happy fun bunch, thankfully I wont ever have to put up with you. Others have pointed out what a great bunch of people you are.

Nice timeframe you put up there let me help you with phase two:

Time to flip out and start shit with people : 30 seconds
Time to recover respect from those watching your childish antics: Too Long.

Xane ( I'm cooler than you because I have been playing EQ for 4 years!)

Not sure why i put your name in there. I usually just read these boards for laughs. Kein the Minstrel was the idiot I was thinking of. Guess it was a bard thing. Meant no disrespect to Talid, dont really know either of you.

Maybe it was the weird gay cyber stuff i had seen printed before, strange kids. I suppose it is funny to some, mostly just worries me.

Again sorry Talid, didnt mean to put your name in there and I was too lazy to look back and check. Ainwen just sounds like a little bitch so I had to take a few minutes out of my day to share that and ruffle his feathers a little more.

Kein if long posts are tough for you to read, I think they have childrens books that will help you develop those skills. Or maybe message boards that require reading are better left to those that can.

Xane

Are these the same super common sashes that have been FFA ever since people found out how common they are? Or are we talking about some super mega ultra powerful sash that is a great piece of equipment of some sorts?

1. Haha, this is a raid gone way out of proportion.
2. Guys, Ainwein and Jessail are Dispy's, we know they are a little different.
3. We know this is not AoR raid but for the next time, for those of you who are new to the channel, AoR raids are led by, Sekkua, Horadan, Swifton, and vhex.
4. Ainwein used the channel to get himself a BoT key.
5. If you join another channel for a raid from AoR it is not an AoR raid
6. If they Didn't even " ninja" loot a big piece, as in medallion whats the problem? Everytime I have done these BoT key things, We wait till everyone has a sash etc etc from that part.
7. Ainwein and Jessail , You are dispy's you have access to like 5 leet people gratz, you do not own eq.
8. Lol

I am not really taking a side on this minor issue, except I was in the channel when ainwein and jessail were talking shit... and come on guys you aren't in a " Uber " guild or anything I dont understand how you guys team up to talk so much shit haha. Maybe its the dipsy'lala surname stuck up your ass. I have no problem with mostof you guys, Oipunx and Gekob are my good friends, but come on STFU you conceded people =).

My 2cp..

Daarek Zoolander
" WHAT IS THIS A SCHOOL FOR ANTS????"

Seriously, I know I said I wouldn't post on this thread anymore, but your stupidity makes my head hurt...

You toss around stupid acusations, calling me a 'newb' and what not, and then when I refute it you attack that as well? Right...

Your post is so ridden with bullshit it's not even funny. I've spent my entire waking life on Everquest? Okay, I do usually play for at least an hour a day, sometimes much more, and sometimes not at all. I also just came off of a 1 and a half year hiatus. Where do you come up with this bullshit? Oh, you pulled it out of your ass? Wow, kinda like your entire post!

Greenpeace yeah, I'd stomp a mudhole in your whiny little ass and walk it dry and then go and hug a friggen tree.

And my dad will kick your dad's ass! Grow the fuck up.

Your entire post was a collection of homosexual jokes and trite insults. I never said I was around Everquest from its inception, because I definitely wasn't. I never said I was 'cool' for de-leveling. Perhaps I had a momentary memory lapse. You're welcome to show me where I did.

Anyone still have that picture Yogurt made with the 'Get off my fucking nuts' caption? Jeez...

Anyone still have that picture Yogurt made with the 'Get off my fucking nuts' caption? Jeez...
Don't come crying to this board like a little bitch and then go crying when the board spits you out.

Learn and move on.

Right now you all come off as lamers.. Ain less than the "newb crew 2000" though.

Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me...
Cant sleep...Clowns will eat me........


too late :/

RUN! IT'S THE CLOWNS!!!

Seriously, I know I said I wouldn't post on this thread anymore

Stardate 12-19-2203, yes 2203 and this idiot will still be crying like a new born baby that just got his ass slapped.

A little sugestion for you. Give it up. You look more and more like an idiot every post you put in on this subject.

You said that you over reacted, so take the consequences and let some people bash you some and let it go. You will be better off for not ever replying again on this post.

Gnore 65 Bard

To all of you who weren't there and are commenting about the rules/leadership of the raid...a big FUCK YOU. I, however, was there and in my eyes there was NO problem with the stated rules. Sashes were to be ffa and medallions were to be rolled on. Which was stated MORE THAN ONCE. I don't understand how any of you can complain about not getting a sash when the looting rules were clearly stated before we even began. Honestly, if you had said something in the beginning, it would have been changed to accomodate those who needed them. What you all fail to understand here is that Ainwein took the time to start this raid FOR YOU. Why are you complaining? You just had to show up and loot what you needed. Everyone would have gotten what they needed, but you jumped the gun and as soon as a sash was looted that wasn't looted by you, you got pissy. Grats!



Maylen Bojangles

On another note, you can have a LOT of fun in Shadowhaven.......

I didn't read your long post, which was surely filled with detailed descriptions of men having sex with each other after having read the retarded bullshit you've spouted off since, because
1) I've never even fucking heard of you.
2) Anyone who puts their posts in equation form is a bigger idiot than Amplifyre.
3) You weren't at the raid, who are you to criticize him for looting a common sash that everyone agrees will be dropped enough to be given to anyone that needs one?

Your points are retarded. He deleveled because he was quitting and felt like doing something with his char before he quit. omgZ gratz on being teh h1gher l3v3l omgz?

And he didn't call them newbies because they were low level. He called them newbies because THEY WERE FUCKING WHINE ABOUT COMMON ASS LOOT PIECES THAT THEY WOULD HAVE GOTTEN 10 MINUTES LATER. If you haven't figured that out by now, ask for hooked on phonics for Christmas.

Kein (I'm cooler than you because you're a retarded ass piece of shit!)

So far all ive really taken out of this thread is that it must be really cool to type the word "retarded"

Really, really sick of posting here:

To clarify, I have been gone for mostly a good 1 1/2 years. I had never done BoT key. Was never stated in advance how rare those were. when questioning Ainwein and Jessail they got rude at us right away [ this was before everyone left, yes most of us left way before Ainwien] and who wants someone to lead a raid who is rude? But oh hell give them a second chance. Chances passed. Wrong things occurred. People overreacted.

Most important things

- I didn't know they were common, no one once mentioned it.
- Was not the only reason we left, I was pissed at them for how rude they were being.
- If Ainwein could have done these mobs so easily, the little asshole would have done him on his own. He's a talker. Let him talk. I was there, I spouted the pissing fight because things going down weren't right. That lvl 61 bard, last name or not [ i dont personally give a dipsy fuckin lala] is still a lvl 61 bard with no members of his own to back him up. He wanted the key then and he wanted it first. It may have been his raid, but we all know a good raid leader doesnt act like either of Jessail or Ainwein.
- Ainwein asked us for help, we did not ask him.
- He did not do this solely for others. Get over yourselves, and read previous posts, Friends-of-Ainwein bastards.
- Deleveling is idiotic and I don't feel sympathy. I've not gotten epic items returned to me after deleting a character once. I sure don't expect people to feel sorry. And trust me, Ainwein, if it is important, I've been on this server longer than you.

Now stop trying to put us in a bigger hole. I think we can settle this over tells in-game, which is what I plan to do. Nothing about this post is right, none of the replies are either. Let's end the thread and call it quits. There's more to life than EQ and I take none of this seriously, because I for one don't care about what you people think of me, Group with me and find out how well of a chanter I can be.


Jeradiphia
62 Enchanter

Dammit Lezarn, that's my line :\

btw, I've been on the server longer then any of you. Was the first one to log on after Aro came up, and CT got moved first. 8/

my god, people are STILL bitching about sashes?!?!

jeesus, i just looted 3 sashes in pos on my 51 monk on stromm, GET OVER IT

I like when a person screws up and then tryies to fight back by saying "you weren't there". :rolleyes

I don't see how me not being there makes any difference because my conclusions were reached by reading your own words in the logs posted here.

So you are saying that that is what you said but not what you meant? Oh yes, I see. It's all clear now!
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The root of this dispute is that you are angry that people that do not know you would not ignore your actions and concentrate only on what you SAID.

You said that common loot was open for them to loot but you had 90 percent of them locked out from looting.

You said that anyone that wanted a sash could get them but you looted the first one.

People are hesitant to trust a stranger to deliver on promises because many have been burned before. There are a lot of people that prey on trusting people. In your actions you did everything exactly the same as someone that was going to leave when they got what they wanted.

Words from a stranger are just that... words. You and your defenders harp on the fact that the sash was common but you sure made sure to jump on the first one.

It may be that you over reacted to the rejection of you as raid leader because you were embarrassed by making a mistake that wiped the whole raid. It is understandable. Just let it go now. Learn from your mistake.

Keep in mind that anyone that doesn't know how wonderful you are will be judging you by what you do NOT what you say.

BTW Talid is Ainwein's alt. That is where you got the name, Xane.

-Xeck-

Can I be on your flag list Zehn ?
Page 2 for me.

sounds like more people are bitching about ainwen being a little prick than they are bitching about not getting a sash. so far all the ainwen supporters (all 2 of em) have to back up their support is "OMG TEH SASHES ARE SO COMMON LOLEZ!". Xeck and Xane have nailed the sentiments of most of the people that judge Ainwen on what hes posted so far. take everyone's advice and shut up and let the thread die. i doubt you can accept that but it's your best recourse.

Um, Talid is not my alt. = /

Anyone want to go over/under on the number of pages until Ainwein posts on the thread again?

What the hell does "dipsy" mean. Please. . .enlighten me.

http://fjutt.adm.gu.se/~halo/cutekid.jpg

LOL. That's a kick ass sig Halo.

Dipsy is in reference to "Dipsy`Lala" which is Ainwein's surname, along with Talid, (formerly) Xanaron, (I think still) Gekob, Tuomas, and a few others (I think) that I have forgotten.

As far as to the logic behind using the name Dipsy`Lala, you would have to ask the Dipsy's themselves, I do know however that Dipsy and Lala are both Teletubbie names (Along with Po and one other who was left out of the naming convention). Again the logic escapes me, but it's amusing, and that's all you really need to know.

And I still <3 you Wein. And you too Gaylen (tee hee your name works so well with that!). And DC, cause DC is the pwnz0r.

I don't even wait to be thanked anymore, someone asks for help and 90% of the time I tried to answer that as best as I could I didn't wait for please or thank you anymore because its not said with a shred of fucking meaning by most people. it's just being polite, what I did todaywould be forgotten yesterday, and anyone who says diffrent is kidding themselves.......This is very sad ,Im at level now where I can actually group with everyone who has ever helped me and YES I remember them all...The rezzes from a 65 cleric when I was 25 ,to the buffs given at the Newb lift by a bored 62 Druid....But one particular time comes to mind I was sitting in KC trying to hit 44,as usual someone yells "TRAIN" when I turned around to run to the zone it was already to late, I was down to 46% and stunned again when along comes this (mean ass monk) he asked "do you need some help" at the time it was funny ,i'm thinking to myself (well what the hell do you think?)I said yes please ,he didnt say anything he pulled the mob off myself and literally beat the shit out of it ,I zoned into DL with about 16% health ,as he ran by I said thank you so much ,he turned around looked at me and said NP...I still see this Monk every now and then in Pok or Pot and a thought always comes to mind (I wonder if he remembers me as much as I remember him)...so just a little reminder Daemankyl Thank -You..

Angeal, your a fgt...Thanks wein muahahahaha!




Maylen Bojangles

was a generalized statment. I appologize.

No apology needed, Just want you to know not all of us are like that , and someday when I actually hit 65 (3 more levels of hell) I wanna be just like you:b

This thread sucks.

a name would help btw !

Shorty...since I'm now Ainwein's alt can you be my alt?

Jeraphidia, Wein > you.
Stop posting you just prove youre a pathetic newbie each time you write on this thread.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

Halo stole that sig from someone who used to post here about a year ago, named Rozco (sp?). OMG thats worse than kill stealing or cock-blocking!

Talid is Ainwein's alt. So is Kelraz. Bards like to make alts that are also bards and level them up to 65 because its really retarded to do.

WTF, Almadar is Ainwein alt too, he ebayed him to make some cash.

holy shit, this thread made it SIX whole more pages past my statement?

why?



Orun

well i read the first page of this thread

it dont matter..once again its about loot

same shit that happens in almost every guild..same shit that happens in every almost raid..

you would think after years of playin this game folks could figure somethin out about loot that satisfies everyone..somethin that is fair an just

but no..well see this same scenario in 2 more years posted on here

Xane,
You are the force that brought sense to all of this.
Well spoken friend!

Sense = Homosexual jokes and misinformation?

Jeez, where have I been all these days?

P.S. Looking for more bards to become my alts. Please send tell in game to Ainwein, Kelraz, Talid, or Almadar. Thanks!

Jeez, where have I been all these days?

Under Maylen's desk =/

I would like to become one of your alts.

Please send a tell in-game to Angeal.

Act NOW and for a limited time only you can also have my druid. I don't know why you would want him, but if nothing else he's sexy, maybe you could use him for Mansechs.

I love posts that go on... and on... and on... and.... ya you get the point.

notice how people are starting to say what the people infront of them said? YA cause its page 8!

BTW you want your 1gp you gotta kill me and take it shash... Hope rogues fight dirty ;) .... no wait your a damn cat and cant get your paws filthy!!!

yall need to go hit the happy bong like I did... ask anyone in SoT, I am actually a nice person in the past 2 weeks :p yall need some of the stuff I got. calm them ADD and ADHD asses down some...

POST ON!!!

Woo. Got Ang!

Now all I need is Kinu and my EW bard collection is complete!

Well, cept for Ludaen or whatever but I don't know him. = /

I will be your alt Ainwein, Gnore 65 Bard.

I know someone that is related to someone, that is friends of someones that talks to someone, that groomes somones dog, that cleans someones house, that drank someones beer, that some how, some where is attached to Kevin Bacon and you know Kevin has a link to someone in EW. So in a round about way, I am linked to EW.

Gnore 65 Bard

I won't be your alt but you can be mine.

Hmm.... looks like Jessail and Ainwein started the shitfit in AoR chat last night...

I agree. There are three things I find wrong about this. Probably more, but I'll stop at three.

1) Only the worst kind of EQ player loses his/her cool and starts flinging crap around like this. One is entitled to their opinion and grievances, but one is also capable of self control. Using an organizations general chat channel to carry on like that shows no respect for the organization or anyone in the channel.

2) Ainwein's initial post stated he was lazy and then decided to leverage the power of AoR to get some key pieces.
In a later post he declared that he was doing the raid as a courtesy. Ainwein was clearly participating, leading it based on interpretation, for his own interests. See 3.

3) Ainwein's initial post stated that non rare pieces would be LOTTO/Randomed. Why wasn't the sash randomed instead of ninja'd? Many people get angry when ppl ninja. Most people don't like to cause problems and that is probably why nothing was said about it initially. As to why it was eventually brought up I don't really care. It's clear that the situation was caused by Ainwein not following his own raid's loot rules.

Poor players can't be good leaders and I think that point was demonstrated in this case.

After carefully reading the other posts about the loot rules I have to apologize for the post above. If loot is declared FFA then folks don't have a basis to complain.

However, losing one's cool doesn't help their image.

"The dispute was over sashes... Which I could simply log Talid and solo to get one."

Xane, sorry for telling you that Talid was Ainwein's alt. I assumed that since Ainwein could log in Talid that it was his alt. My mistake.

Nice try on the thread hijack though...

Recap:

Ainwein posts stating that the raid was ruined because of newbs that couldn't understand his clear loot rules.

Ainwein defends his position by saying that he only guild bashed in the chat channel in response to others attacking him there.

Then a log showing that Ainwein and Jessail started the in chat guildbashing. It also had a quote from Jessail apologizing for not being clear on the loot rules.

Ainwein defends his position this time by saying that he only responded to a question. Another log was posted showing this to be an inaccurate account of what went down.

Ainwein then challenges anyone to post a log from the raid itself showing that he was lying like when he said he only guildbashed in response and even then only by answering a question.

Ainwein sees that no one has posted a log from the raid proving him wrong for the third time so he declares this to be truth. (reminded me of Austin Powers: Its not my bag, Baby)

Bards come to the rescue of Ainwein by attempting to hijack the thread.

But the damage had been done. Ainwein had done irreparable damage to his credibility.

The specter of his looting first and then causing the raid to be trained causing mass death followed by his tantrum in the chat could only be staved off by a post to NAG...

or so he thought...

Ironically the raid would probably been a success if Ainwein would have waited for a later sash or not wiped the raid by training it. But I believe it is not a crime. Just a mistake. Just work on your communication skills.

On second though you may have to keep the vague "open lotto on common drops" approach. How many peeps would have gone if told "I am gonna be rude to you. Also I will only have 3 of us allowed to loot so you will be standing around the corpses. In addition, I may screw up and get the raid killed but fear not! Jessail will gate out. :lol

And for the record I am AGAINST the inc bard nerf. But I can live with it.

-Xeck-

Would this thread even exist is someone else at the raid had snagged the sash?

If so, then this thread is rediculous...making a huge scene over commonly rotting loot is about as pointless as a response to this thread. If not...why is this post 8 pages now? So Ain was an ass when confronted about it? Oh noz! An asshole in EQ! Whether Ain benefitted or not from the raid, he took the initiative and did it. By all means...start one yourself and run it better! This is not a criticism...it's a call to rise up and do it. It's much easier to sit on the sidelines and reap the benefits of other people taking the initiative and getting something going rather than actually do it and be productive.

Would the raid stop to help everyone do the entire quest?

God, I hope not...quests are an individual's responsibility, the only time you should hold up a raid for an individual is when the piece for that individual needs a raid to get. It is your responsibility to get the stuff not requiring a raid to do. So you can't solo or duo the piece? It's good experience, and I'm sure you could get a decent group to come help farm bones, sashes, beards, or heads. It's not hard! I promise!

that groomes somones dog, that cleans someones house

dogs clean houses? loelz.

Page9RockOn!!

I don't get why people keep posting in this thread.

dammit, drawn in by peer pressure. :(

Yep, that post count is evil!

-Xeck-

for someone who's sig has "`Nuff Said" in it, you sure carry on a lot wein.

Bards come to the rescue of Ainwein by attempting to hijack the thread.

But the damage had been done. Ainwein had done irreparable damage to his credibility.

This was seriously... One of the stupidest things I've ever read. That is all.

I came to rescue Ainwein and I'm not a bard...



Maylen Bojangles

I cant believe this is still going. Good God some folks cant let anything die. /sigh I am one of you.

No one has said it yet............

I am truly surprised..........

Oh well, here goes............

I like Pie :)

It stinks like sex in here.

The don't fart, Zehn. :)

just lots of rough sex, zehn's probably saving this thread as we speak

I read it with my pants off. 8(

PIE!!!

fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap

I proclaim this thread in the name of the Queen and the Holy Goat.

if u knew how to pewl, none of this would have happend!

its not pulling that matters... its when you can train with style :)

/thinks of the time tibs and I where supposed to die in PoA for a summon to Xegony... about 3 min later kinens told us to die or get left behind... ya that was a sweat train :)

I just wanna post to see if I can /bump this over to page 10 =P

Wasn't there, didn't see it - so not pointing any fingers.

Seriously tho, I do have one question.... When did it become common in the game (and on the boards) to immediately begin a personal attack on on an individuals skill/intelligence/sexuality/looks/whatever instead of discussing the actual problem?

Noob_001 says "Hey, why did you do XXXX?"
L33t_Player_001 says "Fuck you you piece of shit, you're a retard"

the moment the game was ready for human interaction Niko.

FUCK ALL YOU GAME NERDS! SATAN RULES YOUR LIFE! GET A JOB! ERR.. wait wrong thread. /looks around huh. I like pie too.

Wow, what a thread. Quite entertaining. The only issue I ever had was guild bashing. I couldn't careless about the loot bickering. That happens all the time. Anyway, I think Ainwein has had his say and I believe his month of being banned has expired. IMO, he is more than welcome to attend any open raid he wishes. Provided, of course, that he does not bash guilds in the allmustdie channel.
I do have one suggestion for Ainwein:
If trivial incidents like this get you this worked up and distraught, you might want to try something more enjoyable to you. After all, everyone is into EQ because it's fun. Right?

~Sekkua
"When in disgrace with fortune and men's eyes.
I all alone beweep my outcast state."

Some sort of tranquilizer or anxiety medication seems in order =)

If trivial incidents like this get you this worked up and distraught, you might want to try something more enjoyable to you. After all, everyone is into EQ because it's fun. Right?

Yeah, I mean, like, so fun! Like, I definitely wouldn't leave AoR for two weeks because I didn't get a belt! ...

Don't forget, he left the night before too because IVM wouldnt flag him for RZ (((

Ainwen throw a bitch fit over EQ?!

SAY IT ISN'T SO!

KMA?!?!!

Start shit with people he doesn't know?!?!

Everyone on the boards hates him?!?!?!

INSANITY!!!

Ainwein has been hit for 1100 points of damage!

KMA dual-wielding his Uber Swords of Omgwtfimanolifetrolllamer couldn't smack a fire beetle for more than two. =P