http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/6043730.stm

- I dunno. It's like the Nazi thing, doesn't feel right. Free speech should be...free.

Halo, nothing is free in this world.
Remember the attage: You get what you pay for?

Must....resist....the.....temptation!

The Armenian Holocaust is a bit of history that tends to be neglected, probably most likely because it didn't happen in prime time Europe. I don't agree with stiffling free speech, but at least this will draw some attention to the issue.

I dated a girl in high school with Armenian roots. Her family fled to the U.S. shortly before all that happened.

Her father was the first one who told me Hitler said "nobody remembers the Armenians" when explaining his plans of genocide to his generals.

My roommate is Armenian. He doesn't seem to care about it too much, but I have met other Armenians who feel quite strongly. My opinion is that most educated people realize what happened between Armenia and Turkey. Some heistate to call it genocide, but that's just semantics.

Last semester System of a Down (Mostly Armenian) held an impromptu concert on the lawn of the Turkish embassy to protest their lack of acknowledgement of the whole deal. Very cool.

And seriously, who likes Turkey anyways?

And seriously, who likes Turkey anyways?

Next month most citizens of the US are gonna sit down to eat Turkey and probably will enjoy it very much ...

I love me some Turkey!!!


Darkmeat please...thanks



Armenian history is really one I'm sketchy on;(

Fandros

Darkmeat ftw! Though the way things are going I'm going to be PBJ'ing it this year. Bah.

Well basically, during either 1914 or 15, can't remember which, the Ottomans accused the large Armenian christian population in the North East of Anatolia, of helping the Russians on the Caucasian front, and even planning to create a united Armenia under Russian protection.
So the Ottomans issued a decree to deport them all, which, may have killed up to two-thirds of Armenians in the area, a third through murder and a third during deportation. It was hurrendous, but very, very quickly forgotten (in a gruesome way, who can blame Europe? Tens of millions were dying in battle).

On the eve of his invasion of Poland, Hitler revealed his plans:

"I have sent my Death's Head units to the East with the order to kill without mercy men, women, and children of the Polish race or language. Only in such a way will we win the lebenstaum that we need. Who, after all, speaks today of the annihilation of the Armenians?"

In other words - during war, who gives a shit?
I don't deny it happened, and the evidence seems to show that a high portion of the Armenian ethnic race perished during the enforcement of the decree, but to ban anyone from challenging a piece of history, even as sensitive as this? There just seems no *need* for it. It's a piece of political shit.

Darkmeat ftw! Though the way things are going I'm going to be PBJ'ing it this year. Bah.

You should come to DC for Thanksgiving. They round up all the homeless folk and give them turkey here.

And Halo, isn't history always doomed to repeat itself if people forget? If a large portion of the world denied the existance of Hitler - couldn't the same thing happen in the future with a world unprepared to expect it?

The point is, no large amount of people will deny the holocaust.

And I'm sorry to say, but the passage of time nullifies all things. We've been repeating human error since the Greeks, whether or not the mistake is popularized or not.

I don't think the way to ensure we avoid the mistakes of history is to enforce a belief by law. It's a dangerous area.

in semi-related news, http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/entertainment/6049874.stm

I don't think the way to ensure we avoid the mistakes of history is to enforce a belief by law. It's a dangerous area.

Fat lot of good having laws regarding genocide did for the folks in Rwanda, and presently in Darfur. The proposed law is simply a politically correct way to ensure votes.