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fildien
05-18-2005, 05:34 PM
Anyone else see this? I saw it on my ISP's start page...sadly you have to have an account to see it so I will just copy and paste it all. I saw nothing at all about this in the news....not that I really keep up with it mind you.

http://broadband.suscom.net/news/read.php?id=13182484&ps=1012

A grenade hurled in a crowd during last week's speech by President Bush in the Georgian capital was live and considered a threat against the president, though it failed to explode because of a malfunction, the FBI said Wednesday.

In Washington, the White House spokesman said Secret Service agents in Georgia were examining whether security changes were needed, noting that some people at Freedom Square were seen getting around metal detectors at Bush's May 10 speech.

Initially Georgian officials said the Soviet-era grenade was found on the ground, was inactive and posed no danger to Bush.

But FBI agent Bryan Paarmann said Wednesday that the grenade, wrapped in a dark handkerchief, fell about 100 feet from the podium where Bush was speaking and "simply failed to function."

He identified it as a live hand grenade, whereas initial Georgian statements said it appeared to have been an "engineering grenade," a device that is not designed to spread shrapnel.

"We consider this act to be a threat against the health and welfare of the president of the United States as well as the welfare of the multitudes of Georgian people who turned up for this event," Paarmann said.

Bush spoke to tens of thousands of people in Freedom Square, a main plaza in Tbilisi, as part of a visit aimed at cementing relations between the United States and the ex-Soviet republic's new pro-Western leadership. He offered strong support for Georgia's democratic developments, and the crowd response was overwhelmingly favorable.

President Mikhail Saakashvili also was on the podium when Bush spoke, raising the prospect that the grenade could have been directed at him. Saakashvili, who came to power after the 2003 Rose Revolution that ousted Eduard Shevardnadze, has provoked enmity with anti-corruption initiatives and insistence on restoring control over two de-facto independent separatist regions.

Bush spoke from behind bulletproof glass and U.S. officials said last week that he had not been in danger.

In fact, the president was not aware of the grenade incident until Secret Service agents on the plane told him about it as he returned to Andrews Air Force Base outside Washington, White House spokesman Scott McClellan said at the time.

No arrests have been made in the case, and police have appealed to the public for videotapes that may contain footage of the incident. A reward equal to $11,000 is being offered.

"Work is going on in a lot of directions; that's all that can be said," said Inter Ministry spokesman Guram Donadze.

McClellan said Wednesday the president was updated on the new information Tuesday night and given an additional report when the FBI director attended the president's usual security briefing.

"The FBI is working very closely with Georgian authorities to make sure that this is fully investigated," he said. "We want to see the results of that investigation once it is completed."

McClellan would not comment on the president's personal reaction to the news and would not say whether it would effect future presidential events.

"The Secret Service is looking into all those issues," he said. "The Secret Service has the full trust of the president. They go to great lengths to provide for his security."

Weapons apparently are widespread among the Georgian populace, partly because of the disorder that has plagued the ex-Soviet republic during the past decade, including two wars with separatist regions.

The separatist conflicts remain unresolved and two regions _ Abkhazia and South Ossetia _ bristle at Saakashvili's repeated statement of intent to restore Georgian control of the regions.

Russia has close ties with both regions' internationally unrecognized governments. In his Tbilisi speech, Bush said all nations must respect Georgia's territorial integrity, a clear message to Russia to not exacerbate separatist tensions.

Sumamael
05-18-2005, 05:46 PM
Basically the same article on BBC:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4559013.stm


Some background reading:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/4535911.stm


The original news from a week ago:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/europe/4535187.stm



Just one question, was this really not covered by the news in the states? Kinda surprised that it took one week to reach Fildien...or is he really living in a cave? :eek:

fildien
05-18-2005, 06:40 PM
Well I do live in a cave, it's what I affectionately call my basement office in my apt. It could have been covered but I don't watch much TV :D

Sumamael
05-18-2005, 06:48 PM
Actually I don't watch TV at all, none. So I guess I'm living in a cave too though my office is at the 2nd level and not the basement :p

I check BBC, Wired, Slashdot and two local news portals a few times a day and sometimes Forbes too if I wanna dumb myself down a bit.

But joke and lifestyles aside, I'm still curious if this was or was not covered by the US media a week ago...anyone?

Gulor Gularin
05-18-2005, 06:58 PM
It was called a "dummy practice grenade" by the media last week so no one took that much notice. It's only been the last couple of days that they retracted that and admitted it was a live grenade that misfired in the local media.

PheloniusRM
05-18-2005, 10:33 PM
I did see this when it was first broken. They scuttled about it being a non active device and whatnot. Today is the first I heard that it was truly active. Too bad it didn't get him. I would think that the number one target of many groups, including AQ would be bush.

Gandaar
05-18-2005, 11:16 PM
I saw a blurb on MSN when it happened, but as mentioned, it was alleged to be a practice grenade and was quickly dropped from the front page. I don't think it lasted more than a couple hours as an item on the main page.

This is the first I heard of it being a live grenade that malfunctioned.

I don't watch much television either. I get my news from Internet sources and occasionally something I hear on the radio. <shrug> I live in a cave too.

If it had gone off or had fired but not actually exploded (fizzled), it would have been in the news for days. Since there was no death and destruction, it was not deemed to be a newsworthy story.

Palimax Sceleris
05-18-2005, 11:27 PM
Too bad it didn't get him.'eh?

Blyst
05-18-2005, 11:31 PM
'eh?
He said he was disappointed it didn't get him.

Taleren Bloodsong
05-18-2005, 11:44 PM
while i'm not a big Bush fan, I'm actually SCARED to think of Dick Chaney as our president. I'm glad it didn't get him.

Thormir
05-19-2005, 01:11 AM
MSNBC reported it not long after it happened, but so little was known about the facts of the matter that they didn't speculate or comment overmuch. I didn't see it elsewhere for at least a day, but I'm pretty sure the NYTimes had it online within 24 hours or so.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
05-19-2005, 07:01 AM
Given the current state of the economy, I have little doubt that the event was spun by the White House at the outset to have the minimum impact on Wall Street; now, the true details can emerge as there is no longer any danger and little liklihood of trading being affected.

Thormir
05-19-2005, 09:45 AM
I find it suitably ironic and apropos that the last person to know about the grenade "attack" and the recent fly by of DC air space was Bush himself.

fildien
05-19-2005, 09:53 AM
Well I guess I'm not as much in the dark as I thought I was since this didn't make a large wave in the press. It was front page news on my ISP's start page, but I didn't see it anywhere else. I find it a little disturbing that this isn't considered newsworthy. It should be taken as an attempt on Bush's life.

Fandros
05-19-2005, 10:15 AM
Phel old chum, off the deep end you have gone.

I loathed Carter, but I never wished death upon him.

You are either going off the deep end or or just hungover and mean.

Fandros

Taleren Bloodsong
05-19-2005, 11:46 AM
fandros, see star wars last night you must have.

Borborygmous
05-20-2005, 11:49 AM
Was it really a live grenade? I'm not so sure...if I was gonna toss a live grenade at someone, I'd buy a model that I knew was gonna fucking work. Seems more like someone was making a point. It's hard for me to think that a modern grenade would have such a high failure rate that the one you pick to throw at someone doesn't work.

I'm curious how it was determined it was live and exactly how it "misfired"...using a grenade isn't exactly rocket science.

Thormir
05-20-2005, 01:22 PM
The first report I'd heard, from MSNBC, stated that Georgian security forces found the grenade to be a dummy, or at least not 'live.' As to how someone might come to use a bad grenade, the newscaster (Keith Olbermann, I think) cited Kruschev's son, who said something like, "Had we [the Soviet Union] actually gone to war with America, half our munitions and missiles would have failed." If may have simply been an old grenade. I don't think they come with expiration labels.