Dont trust this guy, he will try to screw you out of your money. It all happened when he invited me to join his guilds raid, little did I know it was a cunning plan to try and fuck me over :( .

We made a 5k bet over if the main tank on the raid would lose aggro between 3-7%, which he did and he refused to pay up like the scum he is. Please, for your own sake, dont trust him... I have included a log of what was said minus battle spam and random chat.

[Fri Feb 20 01:10:48 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'no way in hell youre going to lose aggro'
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[Fri Feb 20 01:11:05 2004] You tell your party, 'he will lose aggro at around 5&PCT;'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:05 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, '20 minutes worth of chain slows on him haha'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:31 2004] You tell your party, 'want to put a wager on that?'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:54 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'sure izin'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:58 2004] You tell your party, '50k?'

[Fri Feb 20 01:12:04 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'haha'

[Fri Feb 20 01:15:43 2004] You tell your party, 'so how much grumblin?'

[Fri Feb 20 01:16:00 2004] You tell your party, 'how much you saying girthy wont lose aggro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:16:09 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'at 5&PCT;?'

[Fri Feb 20 01:16:11 2004] You tell your party, 'yes'

[Fri Feb 20 01:16:13 2004] Grumblin tells the group, '5k'

[Fri Feb 20 01:16:14 2004] You tell your party, 'or around there'

[Fri Feb 20 01:16:26 2004] You tell your party, '2&PCT; on either side of it'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:08 2004] You told Oipunx, 'be ready to switch to grum at 5&PCT;'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:16 2004] Oipunx tells you, 'hahahaha'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:18 2004] Oipunx tells you, 'ok =)'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:21 2004] You told Oipunx, '5k is 5k'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:30 2004] Oipunx tells the group, 'izin going to lose 5k =('

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:34 2004] Oipunx tells the group, 'girth has good aggro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:42 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'girthy has one asstruckhatload of aggro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:53 2004] Oipunx tells the group, 'should just stick to casters, izin'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:54 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, '13&PCT;'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:56 2004] Oipunx tells the group, 'and keep your plat haha'

[Fri Feb 20 01:17:58 2004] You tell your party, 'i still think someone will steal aggro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:18 2004] Oipunx tells you, '9 &PCT;'

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:21 2004] You tell your party, '7-3&PCT;'

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:22 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'rage'

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:38 2004] Grumblin tells the group, '7&PCT; in'

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:47 2004] Oipunx tells you, 'call him'

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:48 2004] You begin casting Call of the Hero.

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:48 2004] Grumblin tells the group, '5'

[Fri Feb 20 01:18:54 2004] Girthy steps into a mystic portal.

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:00 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'haha'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:01 2004] Oipunx tells the group, 'hahahah'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:02 2004] Girthy tells the raid, 'you fucking cheater'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:03 2004] You tell your party, 'omg aggro lost'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:05 2004] Oipunx tells the group, 'SUX2BGRUM'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:09 2004] You tell your party, '5k please'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:10 2004] Girthy tells the group, 'summoned me'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:37 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'izin knew there was that bug ~'

[Fri Feb 20 01:19:52 2004] Girthy tells the raid, 'he fucking cheated'

[Fri Feb 20 01:20:09 2004] You tell your party, 'I believe girthy lost aggro grumblin'

[Fri Feb 20 01:20:16 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'nod'

[Fri Feb 20 01:20:18 2004] Girthy tells the group, 'stfu iz'

[Fri Feb 20 01:20:57 2004] You tell your party, 'dont hate'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:02 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'you cothd him'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:05 2004] You tell your party, 'so?'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:09 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'cheating'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:12 2004] You tell your party, 'you never said, you cant coth him'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:21 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'not going to pay a cheater, sozmyba'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:22 2004] You tell your party, 'you just said, girthy has a truckload of aggro, he wont lose it'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:29 2004] You tell your party, 'dont make me report and petition you'

[Fri Feb 20 01:21:43 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'go for it, cheater ^_~'

[Fri Feb 20 01:22:28 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'that wasnt a bet'

[Fri Feb 20 01:22:36 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'and those werent the unspoken rules'

[Fri Feb 20 01:22:46 2004] You tell your party, 'you said he couldnt lose aggro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:22:49 2004] You tell your party, 'i said he could'

[Fri Feb 20 01:22:52 2004] You tell your party, 'he did, I won'

[Fri Feb 20 01:22:56 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'wouldnt have if you hadnmt cheated'

[Fri Feb 20 01:23:02 2004] You tell your party, 'I never cheated'

[Fri Feb 20 01:23:05 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'using alternate means of losing aggro is cheating'

[Fri Feb 20 01:23:13 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'you perpitrated those alternate means'

[Fri Feb 20 01:23:17 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'hence cheating'

[Fri Feb 20 01:23:47 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'because girthy had a ton'

[Fri Feb 20 01:23:59 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'thats what the bet was about'

[Fri Feb 20 01:24:20 2004] You tell your raid, 'did girthy lose aggro between 3-7%? yes no answers only please'

[Fri Feb 20 01:24:27 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'cheating'

[Fri Feb 20 01:24:34 2004] Zior tells the raid, 'no'

[Fri Feb 20 01:24:35 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'cheeeaaat'

[Fri Feb 20 01:24:40 2004] You tell your raid, 'shut up zior :\ '

[Fri Feb 20 01:24:45 2004] Zior tells the raid, '=/'

[Fri Feb 20 01:24:57 2004] Zior tells the raid, 'i am only going of who was infront while i was backstabbing :P soz'

[Fri Feb 20 01:25:17 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'cothing girthy when the bet was can he lose aggro is cheating, yes no answers'

[Fri Feb 20 01:25:30 2004] Zior tells the raid, 'no'

[Fri Feb 20 01:25:37 2004] You tell your raid, 'its part of the game'

[Fri Feb 20 01:25:47 2004] Zior tells the raid, 'not cheating : ) no peramteres defined'

[Fri Feb 20 01:25:50 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'not part of the bet'

[Fri Feb 20 01:26:04 2004] You tell your raid, 'you never said : you cannot coth him'

[Fri Feb 20 01:26:13 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'on a cease fire'

[Fri Feb 20 01:26:16 2004] You tell your raid, 'you were all: he has a load of aggro, you will never win... 5k please'

[Fri Feb 20 01:26:23 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'they dont say "you can blow up the enemy with a bazooka'

[Fri Feb 20 01:26:27 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'yet its included'

[Fri Feb 20 01:26:38 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, 'you cant*'

[Fri Feb 20 01:26:56 2004] You tell your party, 'your so lame to not follow through with bets'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:08 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'i wont pay a cheater ~'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:11 2004] Oipunx tells the raid, 'grum when there is a cease fire, no one attacks'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:17 2004] You tell your party, 'it isnt cheating'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:26 2004] You tell your party, 'aggro clear ability of coth is well known'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:40 2004] You tell your party, 'considering you ask for it a bunch of times, you knew it clears aggro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:42 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'which is why it was unspoken that it be left out of the bet'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:45 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'yes'

[Fri Feb 20 01:27:55 2004] You tell your party, 'there are no such thing as unspoken rules'

[Fri Feb 20 01:28:01 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'hence i didnt think you would be stupid enough to think that i am stupid enough to bet on something which cannot be won'

[Fri Feb 20 01:28:09 2004] You tell your party, 'if it isnt set out from the beginning, it can be done'

[Fri Feb 20 01:29:03 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'and with the cease fire things, it doesnt list all the things you can and cannot do, they are implied, or unspoken'

[Fri Feb 20 01:29:10 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'so you will see no 5k from me for this bet '

[Fri Feb 20 01:29:23 2004] You tell your party, 'dont make me flame you on Aro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:29:32 2004] You tell your party, 'i will make a dummy account and flame you :( '

[Fri Feb 20 01:29:34 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'go for it, wuold make an interesting discussion'

[Fri Feb 20 01:29:47 2004] You tell your party, 'FINE'

[Fri Feb 20 01:29:48 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'when everyone sees that you are wrong and i reveal your name'

[[Fri Feb 20 01:35:43 2004] You told grumblin, 'be sure to check Aro boards tomorrow'

[Fri Feb 20 01:35:50 2004] Grumblin tells you, 'k'

[Fri Feb 20 01:36:16 2004] You told Grumblin, 'gonna wish you never screwed me outta 5k'

[Fri Feb 20 01:36:42 2004] Chaese tells you, 'i'll use the bioards againtst yu'

Dont let this piece of shit get you, be careful when near him.

>D

If you're serious, you're a fucktard. He didn't lose agro, his agro was cleared

WTG Mage :)

Ok so your bet was could the person lose aggro, and your saying you won. The tank didnt lose the aggro your spell caused him to lose aggro, an event he neither caused nor had control over.

I wouldn't pay you either.

that log made me lol!~

lol You had a better chance of Hurting Grumblin if you didnt Post the Log.. GOOD JOB!

Well if Oipunx was in the group you knew something shady had to be going on!! You know how those Atl folks are!

PS You wouldnt have gotten my plat either. But i would have laughed my ass off at the CoH and told ya it was a good one.

LOL

That was pretty damned funny reading. Nice touch on the coth. But no, you wouldn't get my money either.

i would give you 5kpp just for being creative

oipunx for the kill!

Haha that was hilarious, 4am, Here's the story. So izin pulls a trash mob in the way, little does he know he has pulled the named as well! Oh noz, everyone is still oom from the last named, so i run and steal aggro off the named and begin kiting him around chain slowing. Group proceeds to wipe a few times because people pull like 7 mobs when everyone is oom, i continue kiting and building a fuckton of aggro. (over 30 something slows at the end, 20 minutes) bring in to camp, successful taunt.

So thats when the log comes in, and the bet took place. The general idea of the bet was: noone could steal aggro off the MT because of the aggro work i had done, i.e. noone could accomplish aggro *over* that of what had been gained before the fight. So the fights comes and goes, tank still has hugely strong aggro represented by the fact that he can run back and be summoned in velious with all that prox aggro shit. Then at 4%, after doing nothing except spot the whole fight, i started getting whacked haha, at that point i sensed foul play. So the aggro at the start was still > all the aggro izin could muster, this ruffled him that he couldnt take aggro so i guess he resorted to extreme measures, by undercutting Girthys aggro and making his less than others', as opposed to people gaining it through fair means, by going over the aggro bar and hence taking aggro.

Coupled with the fact that he trained my guild in the first place. He is in fact the one not to be trusted!

Are you serious Izin?

I can't believe you actually trying to slander grumblin like this, haha

You suck :D

Down with grumblin!

Aggro doesn't really work like that, though. You can't create an infinite amount of aggro.

Pretty lame to flame someone like that. I've known Grum way too long to believe he wouldn't pay up a legit bet...

Grumblin hates white people too!

"... Hate"

I'd have paid him for making me laugh and look like an idiot and then tried to get him back at a later date. Touche Grumblin, you were bested.

Hahahah...Izin for president. =p

LOL! Pretty damn funny trick, Izin!

I’m just hoping you aren’t seriously believing Grumblin owes you 5K. As Bildazar pointed out, Girthy didn’t *LOSE* agro, it was removed for him. Ergo – no payment due. Stating “no parameters defined” doesn’t cut it in my book – that’s a statement used by con artists. If I bet you that person X can’t eat a whole apple pie by himself, wait until he has 3 bites to go, then bind and gag him, I’ve voided the bet.

However, doing a CoTH on a tank in mid-swing? That was funny!

that was sneaky trick :P

too bad i couldnt have been there to see it


Kanerian

Not as funny as Izin nuking our MTs to death on Lcea haha.

For the record, the way you wanted to pull KT is retarded. 8(

Talk about your all time backfires.

And a cookie to whoever names that movie.(might have been in more then one, but ohh well)

All this for 5k? What the fuck can you buy for 5k nowdays? A few perls and some food/water?

And talk about a illegitimate win, thats like betting you will win in a duel in the arena with a 2box healer hiding and healing.

:lol That was hilarious.
And you are a moron. :\
Shortest jokes are the best.

discw, I believe thats from Happy Gilmore.

LOL Izzy That had to have been the BEST fucking post ive seen in ages!!

I'm STILL laughing!!

The folks who come to Grums defence just make me laugh even more!!

Bad Grumblin BAD! LOL

You too Izzy...No girls in ya room for a WEEK LOL

Now you two kiss and make nice.

Wait..lemme fill the camera....LOL

I went back and read it again just for a goof LOL!! No shit we gotta take this one on the Road!

I knew grumblin couldn't be trusted... he also hacked my acct. :/

I say he should have to pay :) just because you got outsmarted doesnt mean you shouldnt have to pay.

Chaese's magelo is so important the URL gets not one, not two but THREE T's

rox

BTW, this is a joke, Izin isn't serious about collecting 5k from that cheating gay black new zealander Grumblin, we all know he can't be trusted anyway.

The more T's the better Talidd. :)
Just a bit upset that Grumblin brought my good name into this. With spelling mistakes I might add. You suck Grumb!

Grumblin=pure evil!

When did Chaese get a good name?

Bad Grumblin BAD!

Izin isn't serious about collecting 5k

Oh you dont know Izin at all! :( he wants the cash!

Pls b nice 2 Grumblin every1

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I say he should have to pay just because you got outsmarted doesnt mean you shouldnt have to pay.

I personally would have paid because the money is not much and he mt did not have aggro at 3-7%.

If you really think about it it wasn't cheating tho :) how are the ways mt can loose aggro? what if some sk just dotted the crap out of it, taunted when the mob enraged? everyone has attack off but the sk / warrior are taunting. would the mt not have lost aggro?

bah grumblin we all know you're rich! pay up homie!

Imo, the bet was losing aggro by legitamate reasons, sure all sorts of things could have happened, clerics not heal MT, bestow DA, mem blur etc. All reasons which would have worked, but not fair to the bet as far as i'm concerned. :)

As for being outsmarted, well. You can make that call heh. I would post the outcome, but i believe Izin has a post in the works ;)

<blockquote><strong><em>Quote:</em></strong><hr>[Fri Feb 20 01:10:48 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'no way in hell youre going to lose aggro'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:05 2004] You tell your party, 'he will lose aggro at around 5&PCT;'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:05 2004] Grumblin tells the raid, '20 minutes worth of chain slows on him haha'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:31 2004] You tell your party, 'want to put a wager on that?'

[Fri Feb 20 01:11:54 2004] Grumblin tells the group, 'sure izin'

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That was the bet.

I didn't see anything there that says "steal" or "take". Not even a out agro, just "lose".

It was obviously a set up. Grumblin got took. I say pay up sucka.

Funny stuff Inzo.

Izin, coth me back to EQ then let me release the goats bite u and see if u can lost the aggro lol.....:evil

Izno...Izin...somethin' like that, anyway.

/removes head from ass

Izin you are the fucking man!
<3

mmm...cookies.

If you did that in my group... I would mem up my 35% rezz and watch you die with joy.

good bet. both party accepted the terms. according to the wording ont he bet Izin is the winner no question there. if u think izin cheated u mgith want to contact SOe and report him, i see no cheating. but here is the hint " mages can COth " coth = clears agro . so if a mage is makiing a bet like that you should have mentioned, no coth allowed. ":) . nice job IZin

Thanks for the education Noar, i really had no idea before this bet that a) mages have a spell called CoTH, or b) that you lost all aggro.

Btw izin, i agree very sneaky move to pull, i had no idea about coth, hehe but well i expect that from you, you are very intelligent as a rule. I never for the life of me would have thought of coth being used in an aggro contest lol. You truly did outsmart me, i feel so embarrassed for this to be brought out on the boards in this way. Im such a noob (
Grum got pwnd

OMG!! I'm Saving this!!

Grum Sucks up! The Shammy who will still not admit the sky is not green with yellow stripes CRACKS like an Eggshell??/1!!

But woe..to admit this to Izzy? LOL and you are expecting to hear the end of this during what life time? LOL Too Funny HAHAHA!!

Izzy is my HERO!!

Right over your head swifty (

LOL not really but you gotta admit...it was funny) LOL

Yet another con artist in training.

Izin lost the bet. If I bet you that you will lose your car keys before 4PM do I win the bet if I steal them at 3:45? No. Because you didn't lose them. They were taken from you. Since aggro was taken and not lost, Izin lost the bet. Pay up now! Ahhh. Word games.


Word games are a cons toys. Have fun with them til you con the wrong person. Then use the stolen money to pay your doctor bills. You are safe conning people in the virtual world but if you do it in RL because of habit, it is only a matter of time til someone kicks your ass.

-Xeck-

Hmmm ass kissing....


Er!!
Missed sorry! :o

Coth doesn't clear aggro no more :( . BUT you still can coth somebody far enough away that the mob wont follow. NERFED :(

I think some of you still don't realize this was all a joke :(

:rollin
I have been called many many things because of my attitude toward thieves, cheats, cons, degenerates and bards. But this is the first time I have been accused of ass kissing.
Ant, what makes you think that my opinion of Izin's attempted ripoff is ass kissing? I have never had any dealings with any of the people involved. I do not even hunt any of the same places. I am guilded with people I like that I have been with since I began this game. I have no interest in the high end game. I play for fun.

My point is simple. If you make a bet knowing that you are going to attempt to win by tactics that you KNOW the other party views as out of bounds, it is a con.

But then to come here and whine that the person won't pay the con is priceless. Whine on!

-Xeck-

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lost at life

Dear lord someone buy Xeck a clue please

http://www.remotecentral.com/dvd/clue-1.jpg


Clue???

Poor Grum, pwned by Izin. Hahaha. Whether was joke or real it's funny. Izin that was quite clever in setting Grum up for it. Grumblin and Izin are friends so I hope they remain so regardless of the pp outcome.

Btw Grum, I owe you another pl session with your rogue for all the focus buffs you been doing for me lately!

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Btw izin, i agree very sneaky move to pull, i had no idea about coth, hehe but well i expect that from you, you are very intelligent as a rule. I never for the life of me would have thought of coth being used in an aggro contest lol. You truly did outsmart me, i feel so embarrassed for this to be brought out on the boards in this way. Im such a noob (

Sarcasm anyone?

He's going to kill him over the plat!