(CNN) -- One of the tigers in Siegfried & Roy's Las Vegas show bit Roy Horn in the neck Friday night, seriously injuring him, according to a spokesman for MGM Mirage.

Emergency officials treated Horn at the Mirage Hotel-Casino around 8:20 p.m. (10:20 p.m. ET), for massive blood loss.

Clark County Fire spokesman Bob Leinbach said Horn was talking at the time emergency workers arrived, but had trouble breathing.

He was immediately transported to University Medical Center, where he underwent emergency surgery. The hospital would not release his condition.

A group of Australians witnessed the attack from the front row of the crowded theater, and said they thought it was just part of the show.

"A lady ran past me, freaking out and it was then I sort of, in the back of my mind, thought now this isn't part of the show," said David Strudwick. "And then you look at the staff and they had a bit of horror in their eyes and .. it was like, wait a second, it may not be a part of the show."

Horn, who was born in Nordenham, Germany, just turned 59 Thursday. Combining magic with tiger stunts, the duo has performed on the Las Vegas strip for nearly 30 years.

The tiger that attacked Horn is currently in quarantine and no one else was injured in the attack, according to Mirage spokesman Alan Feldman.

Just out of curiousity... why do you find the above information funny Norfolk?

I really do have to say, that I find it appalling that you would take so much pleasure in someone else's demise.

I have just lost two comrade's in arms in Afghanistan due to a mine in the road. You gonna laugh about them and their families as well?

I swear, we as a human race are becoming less human with every generation.

What goes around, comes around. Karma is a bitch, just hope you don't see the person laughing when something bad happens to you.

I agree, you're an asshole.

:evil

and your last name is 'peacebringer'??

Gods, what an ass.

Fandros

OOOO Korl gone all snobby on us

Circuses: Three Rings of Abuse (http://www.peta.org/mc/facts/fsent4.html)

This might help explain why Norfolk posted this.

I've seen first hand how these animals are treated; i'd want a little payback if I were one of them. Sitting atop the food chain I doubt any of us will ever experience what these animals do. Our society promotes these events as entertainment while trying to hide the abuse these animals endure. It's easy to turn the other cheek until it happens to one of us.

From either perspective I don't find this amusing. Norfolk, rather than laughing when someone gets hurt try focusing on what caused it to happen.

I think Norfolks reaction has more to do with the simple fact that Siegfried and Roy are essentially playing russian roulette everyday for the past few decades by putting on a magic show with these large cats. It's amazing that they've gone this long without at attack of this severity.

I think his reaction had to do with the famous southpark line "simpsons did it!"

Maybe he's just a pig, and he's laughing because Siegfried and Roy are gay?

Oh N0s!!1!

Laughing at other peoples stupidity. You are going to hell now evil person!!!!1!

Seriously when did everyone become so uptight and bitchy over obvious stupidity.

Bottom line, you fuck with tigers, your going to get hurt. Don't fuck with the tigers.

Maybe he's just a pig, and he's laughing because Siegfried and Roy are gay?




They're gay? Well that puts it in a whole new light!.



Hahahahhahahahahahah

I think your the only person that has no idea that sigfried and roy are gay darus :lol

Seriously, some of you treehugging dicksmokers need not be so touchy. You do realize that like several people in this thread are already trying to translate what Norfolk thought was funny without him saying anything. First of all you assume, then you start to accuse. You backward ass fucks need to go burn witches and kill protestants or something.

"I have just lost two comrade's in arms in Afghanistan due to a mine in the road. You gonna laugh about them and their families as well?"

Yeah its exactly the same. Flamboyant guy in a codpiece gets bit by a wild animal he trains and dragged off stage, people die in a war. The parralels are striking.

he has been working with tigers for like 20+ years.. they are bound to get biten. Its a ocupational hazard and he took the risk. laugh at him.. it was his fault, Can you do tricks with tigers and not have a death wish? think 'bout it.

reminds me of the lady that died to the great white shark north of San Diego. A lady put on a full wetsuit and flippers and decided to swim with sea lions AFTER reports of Great Whites being seen in the area. She got attacked by one and died. I dont find death funny, nor that people get hurt by stupidy but you think they will let the tiger live after that? Highly doubtful, just as im sure people are hunting down that great white, we act stupid and sometimes we pay for it and sometimes we make others pay for it.

Daemankyl EMAIL ME !!!!

My point is this:

Something bad happens to someone. I'm not talking about the guy getting a little bite on the ass or anything, I'm talking this dude is in serious condition in hospital. He could very well die, and we make jokes about it.

Yes he was a flamboyant performer, yes he worked with Tigers, but because of his choice of occupation (and fashion sense), does that give us the right to say "He should have known better, it's funny that his throat has been slashed". Of course not.

Would I go into a ring of giant cats, domesticated or otherwise? Not really, but I bet there are people out there that wouldn't jump out of a perfectly good airplane with 300 lbs of gear strapped to them either, and do so for their country no less. If one of their chutes doesn't open, and they plummet to the ground and die, you gonna laugh at them too?

The logic I'm seeing here from some people posting is, he was doing something they think was stupid and got caught by lady lucks bad side. I call it wrong place, wrong time. That tiger could have a bad day, be cranky, whatever. The point I make is that it's easy to point and laugh at someones misery when we're not even in the same country, state, city, city block or even building as someone.

Do I blow up at every little thing? Pfffft, I just served six months in the middle east chum, I seen things that I can only hope some of you will never see. There's enough misery in the world and enough funny shit to laugh at that we don't need to combine the two, alright? I may wear army boots, but at least I'm still human. Someone gets hurt, don't stand there, point and laugh, help if you can or at least say a quiet prayer for em.

Now, bring out the gnome pR0n because I need a laugh.

Yeah your missing the point and if I get flamed for it Oh well Binuvin.

There is a big difference to being in a war against another human being. Tigers don't have opposable thumbs or working fingers to fire a gun at some ass cracking whips at you smacking them with things and pretty much cowing a fierce animal that shouldn't be held in captivity. Yeah its tragic what happened, (Roy is not dead by the way Critical but stable condition). Here is something for you to think about. If someone held you captive for your entire life, didn't let you do the things you wanted to and made you jump through a hoop of blazing fire or hitting you everyday so you can perform tricks for entertainment, Wouldn't you be a little pissed off? YEah its an animal but there are humans out there that do horrid shit as well.

Sothgar

Question
Do you find this amusing?

http://www.gbg.bonet.se/krigstomten/Everfeellikethis.gif

I do. I'm laughing at that penguin's expense. I also laughed my ass off at the aforementioned article. Why? Simple, I enjoy laughing at other human beings. Sure I don't want the guy dead (but frankly, if he dies, I won't give it much more than a passing glance and a thought to the Simpsons episode in which he featured), but yes, it's extremely amusing how someone with such a... bright and smiling exterior (who most likely mistreats his animals) finally went a little too far, or simply played the odds too long. It's simply ironic how the "masters of animals" got bit by one. Now if a tiger walked out on the street and mauled someone down I wouldn't laugh, but if Steve Irwin would get a baby alligator stuck to his weener I'd be howling.

BTW! If a tiger goes after your arm and you are a trained professional, are you supposed to try and beat the shit out of it with a microphone?

Can I be an admin/mod please?
I want to be able to edit my NAG posts too. :rolleyes

Omg Kiv, that is funny as hell! :lol

That penguine thing is the best thing i have seen on here in AGES! I am in tears. Maybe i'm just really tired..=/

Laughing at other people's pain is my speciality. Put Jackass the movie in and watch me fall to the floor in tears.

http://www.penny-arcade.com/images/2002/20021209l.gif

Goddammit Disco, you beat me by thirty seconds.

No, I know why you guys find it funny.. Because your immature. That's the bottom line... Grow up.

Also.. Those two from what I've heard are obsessed with their tigers, like some people are with dogs or cats or whatever. Sure it's a big difference since tigers can't be domesticated exactly, but if they're that way with tigers then they have never abused those animals.

Woohoo!

*dances*

It's amazing really how judgemental people can be. Immature, tsk tsk, I'm so insulted. (now telling you that you misspelled "you're" might be a bit low, and immature, but I won't)

I was gonna write a piece about it but then The Strets jumped into the speakers on my randomized playlist.
So I'll leave you with this link instead:
www.readlyrics.com/lyrics...hp?ID=8453 (http://www.readlyrics.com/lyrics/display.php?ID=8453)

Please, ladies and gentlemen, remove the cacti that seem to have taken root from your respective anuses (anii?)

We all laugh at the Darwin Awards, lets face it...and while I didn't think this was as funny as "Man Jacks Off on Assembly Line, Loses Testicles"...it was definitely pretty amusing.

Sheesh.

Oh how it burns! Getting english grammar lessons from the swede.

No, I know why you guys find it funny.. Because your immature. That's the bottom line... Grow up.

Assume makes an ass out of U

Now to be, how you say, fucking off?

Flied lice, you plick?

--Cen

It is not suprising that people find this humorous. If you look at what we call jokes or humor the vast majority is laughing at something bad that will/is/has happened to someone. From little bad things like falling down to much bigger bad things.

Daemankyl EMAIL ME !!!!


done friend!

I have just lost two comrade's in arms in Afghanistan due to a mine in the road. You gonna laugh about them and their families as well?


Now i don't find it funny,however if your buddies juggled live land mines for a living and one blew up,DO NOT expect me to have an ounce of sympathy.


If you're dumb enough to sit in a cage with 2 live animals that are known carnivors and know killers,I really dont give a rats ass if you're eatin or not.

"does that give us the right to say "He should have known better, it's funny that his throat has been slashed""


As a matter of fact we do have this right. Its one of those things the brave men and women are over in the middle east fighting for.

I'm so mature.

Yeah, really!

I mean, if someone posted something about me on their website I definitely wouldn't cry about it on the boards until they removed it. Really!

While i don't find it as amusing as my friend Norfolk did, why the fuck are you people jumping down his throat?

Tigers bite, period! It's their nature, no matter how domesticated. When are people gonna learn that tampering with the wild is like playing russian roulette.

That's like those people that go deep-sea diving with sharks and cry foul when they get bitten.

Least this way I'll find out which one was Roy

hahah sheur, my thoughts exactly

~Sense

lol I was thinking that same thought..

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When I heard about this my first reaction was to chuckle... the irony is quite striking...

But from what I saw of the way these particular animals were kept, they probably weren't abused. The tigers used in the show are kept in a huge, glass habitat at the Mirage, and are visible 24 hours a day. You'd think that if something "cruel" was happening, at least from the ASPCA point of view, someone would see it.

Seriously though, If you read an article that said "Man who tried to break World Record for masterbating tears off penis and is in critical condition after severe blood loss" then you would laugh your fucking ass off as well. You play with fire, sure as fuck you will eventually get burned. I don't care if your foster mom who saved you from sheer death as a child and raised you as her own son for 18 years died tragically or whatever the reason people are getting all sad on this thread.

When you do stupid shit, then people are bound to laugh. The guy fortunatley I suppose didn't die so there is no need to bring up tree hugging hippy crap about people dying senselessly, and that Roy was another tragic victim of a desensitized society who cannot appreciate his work with the wild animals he *engages* himself with every day.

P.S. I'm not sure if I said it before, don't fucking try to beat pissed off 600 lb tigers with microphones and you won't get dragged off stage by your neck.

Well, I have to admit it was good foresight to put this into NAG seeing the varied responses from everyone. Binuvan, Trikki, Fandros, Carabella & Toothy it’s honestly somewhat tragic to think that you all walk around through your daily lives with such a lack of sense of humor, I pity you all, really I do. At least I was able to pull off a nice little public service announcement and let the rest of the server see who all those who lacked a sense of ironic, possibly cynical, sense of humor are so the rest of us know in advance to avoid trying to share some insight that would just end up cruising over your dimly lit heads with a buzzing sound like a flying saucer from The Jetsons. So to those of you who got a chuckle out of this, whether you posted or not (gotten several tells in game from others who thought it was funny as hell but just never posted) you're welcome for the laugh and the public service of learning the identities of the humorless clowns.

Immature? Perhaps a little, but then again isn't that the pot calling the kettle black as it were? I mean seriously, it's a flame board; everyone posts here trying to get in the best witty remark apparently, as if to get the last laugh from reading most threads. Wouldn't you call that a little immature as well, making what % of the server immature just like your definition of the standard? Immature...how about taking a look at the amount of time you spend at your age playing video games (which is probably more than just a hobby) vs. time with RL friends, watching sports, going fishing, out to a bar, a club, the beach, a date? Still watching cartoons at your ages?

Immature, funny choice of word wouldn't you say?

As for defending my laughing at the expense of others...I don't really feel that necessary. How many find themselves laughing at the Darwin awards? Spike & Mike's Twisted Animation? Amplifyer? Examples can go on and on, but seriously...get a grip, get out of your parents basement, stop blowing up your inflate-a-date, have some social interaction with something that isn't digital, take your heads out of your little ostrich holes, enjoy RL and have a good laugh once in a while like the rest of the human race, I promise it won't hurt as bad as you think...unless you're avoiding doing such because you know the rest of us will end up being the ones getting the good laugh due to your lack of RL social skills that you try so desperately to hone while playing EQ, and trying to have some hot cyb0r with some female toon that's really a guy on the other end dressed up in a bunny costume for all you know.

Now on with the festivities and other various daily aspects of life to go laugh at and be merry over which may just end up missing those of you who lack the ability, or capacity for said humor. Ever wonder where the term nervous laughter came from? Some of us laugh because sometimes there is just really no other emotion capable of dealing with certain aspects of daily life. Most of the time though it’s just cause it’s flat out funny and others don’t get it because they’re part of the cosmic joke too.

No problem. Go jump off a cliff with a dress on, I'll laugh at you, that what you want to hear?

/shrug

As for my sense of humour, I have one of the sickest and many that actually know me, know that I am actually a very easy going guy, but I do have my limits. If the guy had gotten a bite in the ass or some other superficial wound that hurt nothing more than his pride, then yes, I'd be right along with ye laughing my ass off. Critical condition and emergency surgery are not my idea of a good time however. Guess I'm just sensitive about certain things, knocking people when their down being one of them.

We're all different, that's what makes this place great. Have yer laugh, there are others that laugh with ye. I myself don't find it funny. My apologies for jumping down yer throat, I guess it was more of an emotional response if anything.

My wife's cousin died in an accident. Paratrooper he was and one of the greatest human beings ye would ever want to meet. I still remember sitting in a restaurant listening to some 19 year old watching the news on TV calling the Airborne dumb ass fucks for jumping out of perfectly good airplanes. I'm surprised I didn't go to jail, think it was mainly due to the fact that everyone agreed with the shit knocking I gave him. Was I right? Thinking back, no I wasn't. Did I laugh? No I didn't. But for some of us, certain things just don't hit us as funny and when you say raw and idiotic things in public, well, things happen.

People say I make the wrong comparision, did I? Roy got hurt doing his job, Donny got killed doing his. Both trying to make a living, both doing very dangerous jobs. The difference? One was a soldier and the other a showman. One in green drab and the other in sequins. Doesn't make them any more or less human. When people get seriously fucked up, I just don't find it funny. If you do, so be it. I'm glad you can deal with shit like that so easily. I am actually upset lately as I see two more of my countrymen come home in boxes over something that was totally an accident. Maybe I'm a little raw and over sensitive atm, who knows.

Enjoy your sense of humor, but be aware of the fact that, yes this is a NAG board, and if someone doesn't agree with what ye post, they're gonna post a retort, polite or otherwise. Don't like it? Too bad. I'm taking my licks like the rest of us who post here. For those of you thinking I'm being too serious on this topic? Too fucking bad, I'm entitled to my opinion like the rest of ye. It's a NAG board, need all sides on a discussion like this anyway.

Mark my words, there will come a day when tradgedy will strike ye, it happens to all of us, and you will think about what I've said, and I hope and pray that someone doesn't say something idiotic around ye. I challenge ye not to get upset with that person. Just my thoughts.

from what i hear the roy wanted to go one way the tiger wanted to go another way and in order to get the tiger to move roy was thumping it on the nose with the mic, which then caused the tiger to lunge at him grab him by the neck and drag him off stage, cant remember where but i thats what i ended up reading, they also said something about it being the tigers first *live* performance.


in any case you bonking the tiger on the nose to get it to obey you prolly doesnt speak highly for how the tigers are treated, because that means the training of them is similar if he expected the tiger to obey with a smack on the nose. Point being is if you plan on pissing off the tiger prepare yourself for the consequences....


its my guess roy didnt prepare himself well enough.

http://www.valorite.com/owned.jpg

Made it myself! 3 seconds before the attack.

Binu, you're comparing someone who died serving his country to someone who taunted big ass cats for kicks.

I'm sure Norfolk didn't mean that he was happy that someone almost died, but more like laughing at the irony of it: Two grown men playing with wild animals.

Personally, i don't find it that amusing, but that's because i find nothing amusing about those two clowns, Sigfreid and Roy.

It's like if i watch Jackass and Steve O coughs up blood while swallowing glass,...i'm not gonna think "poor kid", i'm gonna think, "what a dick".

I'm not laughing, but it's not i didn't see that one coming.

...btw Binu, seeing that you spelled humour like that, i gather that you are not american so maybe you wouldn't know about the jackass reference that i made. It's a bunch of dudes that do crazy stunts pretty much =)

hey shew what is that record? i bet there are some sick little fuckers that play eq that have, can and constantly do break that record daily.

You ever see the video of the guy with his own public access show who jumped off a ladder that he had supported near the base, and in the end landed on the cement next to the pool rather then in the pool as planned?

Even he laughs about it, despite the fact that he almost died.

Get over yourselves. Unless you want me to point out that even a 'superficial' bite could be fatal. Afterall, his career could be ended by such an event, which in turn would lead to a downward spiral until you're at the drivethrough at McDonalds and some hobo offers to give you a handjob for five bucks and you suddenly recognize him even as you're fishing out your wallet.

Norfolk--

I simply commented on the irony of your last name being peacebringer. *scratches head* Since when does that brand me as a dissident?

It was a tragic thing to happen to someone, and while I don't find it humorous, I do see how someone else *might*.

Just found it funny that you have such a sissy last name and are here yuckin it up over someone almost getting very very violently killed.

So... gfy.

jesus christ. wash the sand outa yer vaginas. its funny.

Funny you mention "jesus christ". :)

You want to judge my humor and give shitty examples about funny stuff that I don't find funny?

There was a story on the darwin awards about a man losing half of his penis because he was masterbating with a vacuum. Now THAT is funny. :rollin

But really... Lion taming is of course a very dangerous job. You can think it's funny when the lion tamer is attacked by his tiger (Is he then a tiger tamer?) but really, your just laughing at someone who's going through hell and tragedy.

The example of laughing at soldiers is not fair, while the example of me being so anal that I don't laugh at stories like the vacuumed penis are also not fair.

So... What if a guy who worked at Seaworld accidently fell into the shark tank during feeding time and was eaten. Okay. Is that funny?

yes! omg thats awsome!!!! but hes a dumbass because he shouldn't be jumping in the tank with sharks! end of story!

Talari: The record for masterbating the most times in a 24 hour period is 36. A guy on a local radio station here in LA tried to beat it (no pun intended) the other day. After 23 he sounded really exhausted and only had around 6 hours left, so I'm not sure if he did it.

haha what a loser.. and my friends think im a spidermonkey.

he didnt make it he did 32 or something like shew / tale

tala* my bad :(

Having read all of the posts in this thread... I haven't seen anyone post as to whether or not they have actually SEEN Siegfried and Roy perform.

I have seen them, and was very much entertained by their show. Has anyone else shelled out the $100+ to see them? They put on a great show.

We have seen numerous threads about what a nitwit he was and he deserved what he got, and we have seen posts about thumping a tiger on the nose with a microphone, and we have seen posts about people doing dangerous jobs.

As someone who has seen their show, and been entertained by it... I'm really sad that this happened. One report I read said that he popped the tiger on the nose because it appeared that the tiger was ready to lunge toward the audience. Does anyone have a confirmation on this? If so, then thumping the tiger on the nose may have saved someone's life.

Who's to blame for this? How about all those folks, myself included, who put down their money to see the show?

Was the tiger abused and mistreated? I think not. Those are VERY expensive and rare white tigers. They are a resource, and money making attraction. You don't mistreat something like that and then climb into the ring with it.

My two coppers...

I agree... if he had gotten bitten on the butt, THAT would have been funny. A life threatening injury? That's not funny. Oh yeah.. what about the 267 people who have been told to look for employment elsewhere? How do THEY feel about it?

/rant off

go to the zoo sometime man, watch animals sit inside cages big enough to pace back and forth all day everyday, watch people get so pressed against the glass to get pictures (with flashes) of an animal seperated by 2 inches of glass that maybe 10 years down the road they will look at and remember the one time they were at the zoo, and try to tell me the animals deserve lives like that. Then tell me i dont deserve to laugh at roy.

Put yourself in that position man. You look at the rhino put in a maze-like stall because people wanted his horn or hunted him down because they "just wanted to have killed a fucking rhino", we make money off animals we killed off....for more fucking money, its rediculous guy. Bottom why smack the tiger on the nose if thats not supposed to get him to react the way roy wanted him to, almost every trainer uses abuse to train read the post made by monty on the first page of this.

Get a fucking clue we are using them for pure entertainment and they as always get the short end of the stick.

Im not some animal rights freak but there are certain things i feel we as humans might need and / or require in life, and im sorry if i dont see tigers on stage with 2 fags jumping around with fireworks part of the requirement.


Thanks please drive through!

i feel we as humans might need and / or require in life, and im sorry if i dont see tigers on stage with 2 fags jumping around with fireworks part of the requirement.

Amen.

Im not a animal rights activist, but there are certain things about this whole thing that bother me. First off all of you people who laughed and found it funny, great, to each his own. Having said that think about doing something you enjoy, like being on a computer, oh your blind, HAHAHA Fucking Great, play with Fire your gonna get burned, drive a car, get in an accident, lose your legs HAHAHA Fucking Great, see the point, everything you do EVERYTHING has risks, be them big or small, this man knew the risks he was taking by doing this, now do i support parading animals around hell no. I support Dae 100% on this.

But on a side note no 2 single people have helped to protect these animals more the S&R. Now wait im not saying we need to protect all animals, but the ones that we, not out of need, but out of greed, hunted down and slaughtered.

We?

human race, as we? Yes.

I didn't read all the boo hoos about how everyone is upset about the man that got mauled for playing with tigers...

One word DDDUUUHHH!!!!

How the hell are you going to poke and train tigers, and use them to make money....and not think you're going to get messed up someday. I was more worried to know what would happen to the tiger then to cry over some dumb ass sticking his head in a huge carnivore's mouth.

Did you hear that P.E.T.A. sent a fax to Roy Horn's hospital room that basically said that "he got what he deserved."
How can you pile on a guy who is near death? For this blatant move I believe I will be ordering several steak dinners tonight and I'll wash those down with a few chickens.
They said that the animals are poorly treated. Let's think about this, they live in some nice Vegas digs and are probably treated like royalty. In the wild they would be extinct. Am I missing something. lates.

I dont find a man who has entertained millions for close to 30 years and in fact probably has educated many on these big cats being seriously injured funny in the least bit..but I'll toss this link for ya to laugh at as well.

This guy is by fare an idiot and sad to say dead..laugh away. Tree huger meets Mr. Nice Bear.

www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/09/bear.attack.ap/index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/US/West/10/09/bear.attack.ap/index.html)


Ibudin

not the same thing.


guy goes camping and gets mauled by a bear.


guy gets attacked while using tiger in act for vegas.



Sorry about the bear maul guy. As gual said everything in life is a risk, walking out the door is a risk. Great White sharks are swimming off the coast as close to me as 20 miles in Newport. Does that mean im gonna go swimming in newport anytime soon? Nope, i rather not take that risk, but if i did and i was eaten by a Great White, or in the least attacked and killed....would i expect *SOME* people to laugh....yes.


Also for the record first thing Roy said when he woke up was "Don't hurt the tiger, it wasn't his fault".

Wrong
The remains of Treadwell, 46, and Huguenard, 37, both of Malibu, California, were found Monday at Katmai National Park and Preserve on the Alaska Peninsula. Treadwell was known for approaching, even touching, bears in the wild.

and did yoiu happen to read the rest of it?

Troopers recovered video and still photography equipment as well as three hours of earlier video footage from the site, across Shelikof Strait from Kodiak Island.
Much of the footage is close-up shots of bears. Some scenes show bears no more than a few feet from Treadwell, co-author of "Among Grizzlies: Living With Wild Bears in Alaska." Others show a more timid Huguenard leaning away as bears come close to her on the bank of a river.

guy was asking for it, people need to realise that Dr. Doolittle does not exist

guy goes camping and gets mauled by a bear.

He did not just go camping. He went to mingle with the big boys and got eaten. He made money from filming bears and wrongly judge the temperment of an Alaskan Brown bear. Big difference from saynig he just went camping.

So it is the same thing.



Ibudin

Some scenes show bears no more than a few feet from Treadwell, co-author of "Among Grizzlies: Living With Wild Bears in Alaska."

God-Damn Hippies! I hate hippies! Serves em right.

Master Damoiel Mindbend
Retired Enchanter of the 60th Season

Treadwell was known for approaching, even touching, bears in the wild.

That's some stupid fucking shit right there.

So it is the same thing.


one is approaching bears, singing with bears blah blah blah
He is still not antagonizing the bears to do his will, he didnt strike the bear in any way shape or form. Bottom line is animals run 90% off instinct, i love my dog dearly but when it was but a puppy it ran into the street and got hit by a car, when i ran to get her to drive her to the vet she bit me repeatedly because she was scared and had been injured as is an animals behavior.

You can train animals from the day your born to the day you die but you wont ever be able to take that animal instinct from them.

Roy was using the tigers for entertainment, he pushed the tiger, and was punished for it. He was a trained professional. What does this tell you?


The guy that died from the bear was dumb yes, but its still not the same thing. He wasnt working with trained animals, he wasnt forcing the bears to do anything. Roy did.

I repeat not the same thing.

Animals run 90 percent of the time? Have some factual data to this..like some links supporting it?


Roy(stupid) + BearHugger (stupid) = stupid.

I repeat, its the same thing.


Ibudin

similar > same
similar is prolly the word your thinking of right now, not the same, the outcome, the degree, the cause, NONE OF THEM THE SAME, similar yes but not the same. :)


similar -Related in appearance or nature; alike though not identical

same - Being the very one; identical: the same boat we rented before.
-Similar in kind, quality, quantity, or degree.
-Conforming in every detail: according to the same rules as before
-Being the one previously mentioned or indicated; aforesaid.



dictionaries are good!

the instinct thing turns out we were all wrong or at least most of us, the tiger didnt attack roy, Roy had slipped and as INSTINCT the tiger reacted and grabbed roy by the neck AS A TIGER DOES TO ITS CUBS BY INSTINCT, dragged Roy off stage and immediately let go of him.

Instead, the illusionist believe Montecore dragged Roy offstage after the performer tripped, "because the cat wanted to be secure, wanted to get out of all this."

CLICK ME! (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=796&ncid=762&e=11&u=/eo/20031009/en_celeb_eo/12663)

so this thread is almost pointless :(

I agree with Ibudin it was same thing, both pushed there luck with an animal. You poke a bees nest enough times and guess what?? Bees are gonna get pissed and sting ya...both got stung for being dumb

Poke a bees nest once and they'll get pissed and sting you.

damn an echo

Further details (http://klastv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1475112&nav=168XIQs2) about exactly what happened.

(Oct. 8) -- Casino mogul Steve Wynn is one of the people who best knows Siegfried and Roy. He is one of the duos closest friends. He hired the illusionists when he built The Mirage in 1990. He even built a special theater just for their show.

Wynn gave an exclusive interview to Eyewitness News Anchor, Gary Waddell on Wednesday. He explained, "What happened Friday night was a fluke, something that never should have occurred. And something that no one could have foreseen." He continued to say, "That even as Roy was being carried off stage by the tiger, he was saying he didn't want anything to happen to the cat."

Even though Wynn was in Idaho on Friday night when the incident happened, he was one of the first people called. He flew home Saturday morning and went straight to the hospital to visit Roy. He then began the task of trying to figure out what went wrong.

Wynn said he is certain that Montecore did not attack Roy Horn. He refers to attack reports as being false. Instead, he says it was a string of unfortunate events that led to the tiger carrying Roy off the stage. He described it as being similar to how a tiger would carry a cub. "Montecore would never attack Roy. In a way, the tiger was trying to protect him," Wynn said.

Wynn says he spoke to many people who were on the scene and pieced together the following set of circumstances that preceded Roy being injured.

"As Roy was leading Montecore out to stage front on a lease, the cat became fascinated and distracted by woman with a big hairdo in the front row." Wynn says instead of Montecore following Roy through his usual routine, the cat became fascinated with a woman in the audience that had a big hairdo. "For whatever reason, Montecore was fascinated and distracted by the guest sitting ringside."

"Montecore got down on all fours and put his 26-inch head four inches away from of the woman. She thinks this is adorable and part of the show and reaches out to try and rub him under his chin. Roy is talking and sees this move. That's way wrong all the way around. As usual, the heroic fellow that he is, Roy jumps between the woman and the tiger."

Wynn says at that point, Roy tried to get the tiger's attention by pulling back on the leash and saying, "No, no, no, no. Come on, get up". Wynn adds that Montecore resisted, as if to say, "No, I'm not ready yet." Roy continued to command him to get up.

"The tiger gently reached up and grabbed Roy's right arm with his jaws between Roy's elbow and wrist in a very gentle way," Wynn said, pointing out that Roy did not receive a scratch on his arm, nor was his costume torn. "That's how gentle Montecore's grip was on Roy."

"Roy loudly commanded the cat to release its grip by saying, "No, no, no, no. Release, release," several times. He had to whack him with the rubber microphone several times to try and get the tiger to release the grip. This didn't hurt the tiger, but it did make a loud noise."

"Roy continued to pull on Montecore's leash not realizing that one of the cat's paws was behind his leg." According to Wynn, Roy tripped over the paw and fell backward on the stage and was lying on his back. He said that four stagehands then rushed out and jumped on the cat. Wynn believes Montecore was confused and reacted by trying to carry Roy off the stage to safety.

Wynn says Montecore just leaned over Roy and picked him up like he was a cub. Wynn says it was not a bite or an attack. "There was no damage to Roy's neck, but there were two puncture wounds and one of those teeth went through Roy's vertebral artery and severed it -- the one behind his neck -- that's what caused the stroke and massive bleeding putting him in a near-death situation."

Wynn says Montecore walked off the stage as if he were finishing his routine and even attempts to go back into his cage carrying Roy. Stagehands backstage used a technique that made Montecore release Roy. That technique reportedly involved spraying the tiger with a fire extinguisher.

Roy was then rushed to UMC.

Wynn underscores that Montecore was acting to protect Roy. He explained that during a lethal attack, a predator's instinct is to violently grab its prey by the neck, vigorously shaking its head and snapping the neck of its prey. He says this is not what happened.

While Gary Waddell was with Steve Wynn today, he got a call from Bernie Yuman, Siegfried and Roy's manager. Yuman said that they had just brought Roy's dog to visit him in the hospital and that Roy had responded by petting the dog.

Wynn also says he's been told that they are starting to wean Roy off the life support systems in order to let his body function on its own. If that's successful, that will be a very big step in Roy's recovery.

I never liked Siegfried and Roy at all. I find them pretty silly. However, I find it not a little bit funny that Roy got attacked and is in the hospital and almost died.

wasnt an attack :b

i didn't find it funny at all, suprised me to hell

but i'm not gonna try to deprive people of their humor, if they find this act funny

http://www.strangecosmos.com/images/picturejokes/12361.gif

He explained that during a lethal attack, a predator's instinct is to violently grab its prey by the neck, vigorously shaking its head and snapping the neck of its prey.


That's odd, every time I've seen large cats(mostly lions, admittedly) on nature shows they primarily just grab the neck and hold, suffocating their prey. I've never seen a cat of any sort shake their prey..I mean they aren't a frickin terrier.

I smell whitewash.

I nearly passed out laughing at that shit L2.:rollin