So I was reading an article and in the article it stated that 40% of Canadian teens hate the U.S. Not sure if this is accurate or not. Thought I would do my own little unscientific test.

So let me know if you are Canadian and hate the U.S. Also leave a reason if you could please. It would be interesting.

And no this is not a we hate America Euro thread..just for out neighbors to the north.

Thanks

Rigin

This sounds like a 5 o'clock news special. What you probably saw was a commercial saying "New study shows Canadians hate Americans... news at 5."

Here's a study I saw. It stated that during the Iraq war, Canadian and French citizens turned their televisions off when they showed a story with a positive message about Americans, and were more likely to continue watching when shown negative messages about Americans. Now while I thought... geez thats ridiculous, and immediately wanted to accept their conclusion as true, I did a little more research to find the actual study and check their methods. It seems it was an interview style study, and the study groups were a grand total of 40 people. Therefore I chose not to accept the conclusion.

I think I saw the same thing, however what the 40% thought was that the US was "evil" because it was a military power and most Canadians these days are naive pacifist sissies(it didn't call them sissies, I did).They discussed the subject with Canadian journalists and (hold onto your chair, or hats!) the consensus was that a large part of the responsibility was on the BBC for it's anti-US slant.

So I was reading an article and in the article it stated that 40% of Canadian teens hate the U.S. Not sure if this is accurate or not. Thought I would do my own little unscientific test.

So let me know if you are Canadian and hate the U.S. Also leave a reason if you could please. It would be interesting.
Were that the words of the study? I mean... Hate? I can understand when some extremists hate US, but canadian students?

Teens willing to say they hate something in a survey, tell me it isn't true. We have words like angst for a reason.

I imagine you could survey 100 US teens and ask them if they hate the US and get 40% of them to say yes. Of course, they'd probably also say they hate their designer much-too-baggy jeans and they hate their birthday BMW, but, well, that comes with being a tennager.

I'm not sure how anyone living in a country with relaxed marijuana laws and an endless supply of Cuban cigars could have the time to *hate* anyone.

PS. If you're in Canada and you're reading this, please send me some Cohibas. :)

I read the article that claimed this. They went into further discussion about how anti-Americanism has been instilled by the Canadian school system over the last fifty years or so. They went on to suggest that a number of Canadian government officials recently noted for severe anti-American statements (like "I hate those bastards") were directly influenced by textbooks deriding the US when they were of school age. The article implied the attitude was being institutionalized by the schools. Interestingly (but not surprisingly), the poll showed 64% of French Canadian kids thought the US was evil. If I remember, the poll was conducted by phone but I could be mistaken.

I'm not sure I buy all of that, but I think we would be naive to assume everything is all peachy with our neighbors to the north.

'but I think we would be naive to assume everything is all peachy with our neighbors to the north.'

- Or the entire world. And I don't mean that trollishly (it's a word). But seriously, what can we expect? America, and Britain, walk a fine diplomatic line, and it shows now more than ever. When you defy an international organization like the UN, the centre of diplomacy (whether or not you agree with its agenda), you're going to be fucked in the arse with a spoon. Like it or not.

I tend not to take the "84% of all..." statistics too seriously. You know how they calculate television viewing statistics, right?

I just double checked the article..it wasn't in the BBC , it was the Toronto Free Press. Clicky linky-

http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/main060704.htm

I'm sure most European and Canadian people would say they don't hate us the hate our government. To which I would have to say the feeling is mutual.

Its nice that Canada has an opinion. Canadians are nice. Who cares.

Just as a side note: Maybe it might be intresting to note that a higher percentage of UNITED STATES teenagers, as opposed to Canadian, hate our government.

Also, why even ask French Canadians about ANYTHING? They arn't even happy being included in Canada.

Probably only a matter of time before the whole world turns on us for WW3 :(

That's called a target rich environment.

'I'm sure most European and Canadian people would say they don't hate us the hate our government. To which I would have to say the feeling is mutual.'

- You hate your government too?

this survey seems to be manipulating somehow. 40% is huge, no country in Europe is close to that 40%. for example, the anti-american (the one which exactly hates US) part of our society is about at 10-15% and another 30% doesnt like it (but its far from hate). I think in islamic countries it can be 50-60% who hate US, 40% in canada is surely not true.

Technically the survey was not about "Hate the US", it was if they considered the US "evil". There is a difference...I considered Saddams Iraq to be evil, but I didn't (and don't) hate Iraq.

I don't know that the survey was accurate, but it would not surprise me if it was. In my experience Canadians are very keen to be seen as "not American" and always have been. They have always been nervous about being absorbed by the colossus to their south and losing their particular identity. One way to address that is to denigrate the US whenever and wherever possible, hence the slanted schoolbook texts dating all the way back to 1934.

Canada has a smaller population than California and is full of frenchmen do I need to say more?!?

'Canada has a smaller population than California and is full of frenchmen do I need to say more?!?'

- How's about, "I'm a twat"?

Hell im moving to Sweden in 12 days. Im sorta nervous of the reception I may or may not get when people find out that I am first off, an American. I dont suspect it will rabid hatred, but I do expect some crosseyed looks. Its going to be a life lesson thats for sure. I pretty much swore to myself that as far as the discussion of politics goes, I will not cross the boundary of US policy, I will learn my new found political system and base my opinion off personal experiance.

Maybe you need to change your Avatar then, eh?

This shit has gone far enough. Its American tax payers paying for this war. Its American soldiers who die in this war primarily. Its American civilians who died in the World Trade Center and on those airplanes for the crime of being in the cross hairs of unconditional hatred. And yet, we are the bad guys. We are now the black knight. The cowboy in the black hat. The rest of the world gets to watch it all on TV and hate us for free while our 33%+ of our hard earned money goes to pay for the GWOT. Are you people aware that members of the US Military ALSO have to pay income tax? We give both our money AND our lives for these efforts, and let me tell you, we do not make alot of money.

Perhaps we needed some kind of philosopher or intellectual to convince the people of the US that maybe going to war in responce to an act of war was indeed the right wrong thing to do, and that instead we should just clamp down on freedom and privacy to the point where all the concepts that made the US what it is no longer exist. Well, we did not have an intellectual or philosopher in office. What we had was someone who thought he was doing the right thing, even if the reasoning was clouded. Perhaps Dubyah will get voted out of office. It won't be because we give a FLYING FUCK what Europe thinks or Canada. It will be because the trust with the US people has been broken by the people we elected to keep it, and that trust must be restored.

If Kerry wins, Europe will probably get more say, but also you will have to PAY for the right to have that privilege. You want to just sit back and complain, and enjoy being a bunch of haters on the sidelines? Fine. Encourage us to give Bush another 4 years, because if Kerry wins the rest of the world will have to actually put their money where their mouths are, since they are afforded that chance. Otherwise, shut the fuck up. We don't want to pay for it. Our soldiers DO NOT want to be in the desert period, let alone spill their blood there. Its not a fun place to spend 6-12 months appart from your family and most of all we don't need the rest of the world giving us the finger to boot. The US is NOT Canada or Europe. We do not have the socialist governments or the Metric System nor share in that which is unfortunately the dominant form of government of the globe. We are also not out to get you, so perhaps maybe we could just continue the relationship of friendly mutual respect enjoyed for the past 50 years.

You're a twat Halo? I'd have to agree you are thanks for pointing it out. By the way yes I do hate my government. The only thing good about it is its not yours.

We do not have the socialist governments or the Metric System

And thank god for that, let me tell you.

Damn metric shit.

Much like soccer, it's one of those things the rest of the world does because they just don't know any better.

Harhar Loezl Crist0 Made A Funny Roflamaoaoekfmf

Oh look, it's the old pointless Halo blather we all missed so much...

Was that a knock-knock joke this time? Your humour just *wooshes* over me.

Your a fucking "twat" Halo, Canada has around 31-32 million people, and California has around 36 million (probably a lot more because of all the illegals). Not the mention California has a MUCH MUCH bigger economy than Canada.

French Canadians Suxx0rs! They took our hydro electric power! Also, they speak French! I think it gives them an excuse to smoke. :p

Your humour just *wooshes* over me.

Yours falls flat on its face most of the time, guess we're even.

'Your a fucking "twat" Halo, Canada has around 31-32 million people, and California has around 36 million (probably a lot more because of all the illegals). Not the mention California has a MUCH MUCH bigger economy than Canada.'

- Wait, I'm a twat because Canada has less people than California?
Drugs are bad, mmmkay kids?


HAHAHA LOELZ CRIST0F

Here I will fucking prove it.....

Here is population of California. Look right under the section titled "Highlights" http://www.dof.ca.gov/HTML/DEMOGRAP/HistE-4.htm


Here is population of Canada. Looking under total's for 2003. http://www.bcstats.gov.bc.ca/data/pop/pop/CanPop5y.htm


So stfu Halo, your the one of fucking drugs.

Oh yeah, one more thing, you will notice they are both .gov sites so they are legit, not some dumbass small town website.

- You hate your government too?

Yup. As someone said, I'd bet there's more people in the US that hate the US goverment then in canada.

And guys... Halo isn't arguing about the # of people.... you're quick today.

No shit.
I have no fucking clue what that nut-case is on about.

Draw them a picture, Wliten :P

Great post LummusL. I couldnt agree with you more.

Yeah awsome post.

'Perhaps we needed some kind of philosopher or intellectual to convince the people of the US that maybe going to war in responce to an act of war was indeed the right wrong thing to do'

- The only person who still believes Saddam Hussien was connected to 9/11.
Maybe a 'plane full of terrorists WAS one of his WoMD. And we can't find them because he used them all up.

Aye. Maybe that's it.

I'm Canadian, male, 18, born and raised in Vancouver.

First, the short answer to if I hate the United States; no, I don't.

Coming from a family that occasionally discusses politics over dinner, I take particular interest in this topic. I tend to believe that most Canadian teens that claim to "hate the US" are just doing it because they think it's the cool thing to do. This isn't to say that the media or our schools push this position, only simply that in teen culture it's cool to take on a strong opinion.

As for anti-American sentiment in the classroom, I would have to disagree those claims. The only date of a textbook that was mentioned in the second article was 1934, I'm sure the US also had some not-so-modern sentiment in their textbooks at the time. Perhaps I was just fortunate enough to have every single one of my teachers teach in the same way; get the facts and make your own opinion.

The articles also make reference to the anti-American sayings of some of the MPs. Unless this was recycled on CNN for several days, I would think that this made less of an impact in the US as it did in Canada. Were they wrong for saying it? Yes, they were, politicians shouldn't call other foreign politicians "morons." Are they allowed to think that? Of course they are, and I'm sure many other Canadians/Americans/others think the same of Mr. Bush.

Steven Harper, (Canada's opposition leader, Conservative) was campaigning that his health care system was not going to lean towards the American style health care. This is not to be confused with anti-Americanism. Two different ways of health care, both have their pros/cons, and many Canadians felt that the American one wasn't as good. (FYI, I voted Liberal.)

You may have gotten the impression that I love the US. I don't. The United States has done some bad shit, some very bad shit. Although I would rather not venture into the Iraq war subject, as all seem to inevitably lead, it seems necessary in this case. I, and most other Canadians, feel that the United States should not have started(?) this war. Just recently your own intelligence agency also admitted that the war was not justified and many of the facts were exaggerated or made up. Oh well, shit happens. You're there now, and that can't be changed. The best we can hope for is mistakes that were made in this case will not be repeated in future ones.

..most Canadians these days are naive pacifist sissies
This is the kind of stuff that makes me mad, and making me mad isn't very easy to do, especially on the internet. We're unexperienced, war hating cowards? Yes, that is what you said, no I am not twisting your words. Crist0, I would love to know what you are basing this on, is it the fact that Canada didn't join the Iraq war? I am more than happy to explain why you are wrong on so many levels, reply if you would like me to get into them, but I think this post is already getting a bit long.

Thank you for reading,
Cenbus -- I retired.

It is based on a report by Canadian journalists, of course you probably meant to address that to Rigin who started the topic.

The news doesnt attract viewers and readers with stories saying everything is cool and great. Their whole purpose is to create sensationalism and ferret out every nugget of discord they can find. An international story in America showing how much people in another country like us isn't going to get any attention, while an anti american demonstration will be a big feature. A news story in many other countries showing Americans in a positive light won't get as much attention as a feature showing something unpopular. Unfortunately we're all affected by it in polarizing ways.

It is based on a report by Canadian journalists, of course you probably meant to address that to Rigin who started the topic.

Ok, what? No, it was addressed to you, Crist0. I'll try to explain a little more delicately so you're able to understand.

I asked where your quote saying "..most Canadians these days are naive pacifist sissies" came from. I know you said you made up the naive pacifist sissie part, but I want to know why you made it up. What makes Canadians sissies?

Your population is a pacifist society that thinks of countries with active/strong militaries as evil, this was discussed in length in that interview.


That makes your population pacifist and naive(kinda redundant).

The sissies part is aaalll me though.

I guess I was wrong in hoping that you would understand, you don't cease to amaze, Crist0!

1) What interview? The two links that were posted by Gulor aren't interviews of anyone. Wrong word I guess, no problem.

2) No where in either of the articles is Canada/Canadians referred to as pacifist. Are you talking about a different article/interview? Please post the link if so.

3) Your population is a pacifist society...Bit of an over generalization, no? 40% -- less than 1/2 -- Canadian teens think America is evil. Using Tibberts link, teens aged 15-19 make up 2,120,545 of a total 31,629,677 people. To generalize an entire society based on a pole that looks at 6% of the population is not a great idea. Moving past that generalization, the article also doesn't mention it's a result of a strong military. Again, perhaps you're talking about a different article?

4) You have still managed to completely dance around the question I was asking. WHY are Canadians sissies? So far you have only managed to say that Canadians are sissies because they're sissies because you said so. -- huh?

I look forward to your reply.

Don't bother Cenbus.

In a few posts he'll either tell you it was a typo, make up some (more) aparantly witty insults, or just post a US flag.

Either way, it'll amount to a gigantic anti-climax...nothingness,

Your population is a pacifist society that thinks of countries with active/strong militaries as evil, this was discussed in length in that interview.


Canada is part of nearly every major military alliance that the USA is, and commits troops to most UN and NATO operations. I don't see how you can possibly describe them as nationally pacifist.

Plenty of real things to make fun of Canadians over, like their beer!

I went to Canada once in July. It snowed. That sucked.

In a few posts he'll either tell you it was a typo, make up some (more) aparantly witty insults, or just post a US flag.

Nope, but then again he didn't say Russia wasn't a part of Europe and then try to justify your obvious racial prejudice against Israel. I'm really sorry btw, that I mistyped something. Evidently you've never ever made any mistakes at all at 6am. Part of being a good EUSSR worker bee maybe?

As far as the flags..

Maybe I'll post those again just so you can get the old(Europe) blood pumping..

Anyway, Cenbus, because you always gave me that teleport love..

http://www.torontofreepress.com/2004/weinreb063004.htm

http://www.canadafreepress.com/2004/main060704.htm

There is your pacifism.


So far you have only managed to say that Canadians are sissies because they're sissies because you said so
Precisely.

See, down here we have free speech, not like you do up there where your country doesn't even allow dissenting views on television(Fox news for example, is not broadcast in Canada) and my personal view is that pacifism is naive, and that all naive pacifists are sissies.

Don't worry, it's not limited to Canadians...I label quit a bit of Europe with that brush too.

Ok, are you being serious right now? It seems like what you're saying has absolutely no rational thinking to support it.

I saw those links before, and I was asking you if those were the links you were referring to, obviously they were. This brings me back to Point #2 from my previous post. No where in either of the articles is Canada/Canadians referred to as pacifist. There isn't even a hint that this is true. Maybe you could back it up with a specific quote?

See, down here we have free speech, not like you do up there where your country doesn't even allow dissenting views on television(Fox news for example, is not broadcast in Canada)
See, up in Canada we have free speech too. The article that made this original article is known as someone that often criticizes the media for biases. I'm sure if he lived in the states he'd have a hell of a lot to say too.

I don't know if you just pull many of these facts out of the air, or if you're misinformed, but we do get Fox news up here, and CNN, and in Vancouver we get Seattle local news as well. CBC (Canada's version of the BBC) blows Fox news out of the water. No, it's not just because CBC is Canadian and Fox is American; if you ever saw CBC, you would have to be nuts to think that Fox news is better. This is beyond the point, however.

The point is you are missing the question. You have an opinion, great, I'm very happy you have an opinion. I like you because you have an opinion.

Now I'm going to explain something very carefully because this is now the 4th time I have tried to ask the same thing. Why do you think Canadians are pacifist sissies? You are welcome to have that opinion, but without a REASON for that opinion, it has no meaning, there's nothing to BACK IT UP.

Ultimately, this is my question:
DO YOU HAVE A REASON TO THINK CANADIANS ARE PACIFIST SISSIES? IF SO, WHAT ARE THOSE REASON? -- No, "because I said so" isn't an answer. If you answer anything along those lines I'll just have to accept the fact that you have no reason for your thoughts, and that they are just an irrational dislike toward all Canadians/non-Americans.

Please actually think for at least 5 minutes before you post something. Ask yourself, "Am I answering his question -- do I have a reason to think Canadians are pacifist sissies?"

I eagerly await your logical response,
Cenbus

PS. Cenbus was a Chanter, not a wizzy -- so unless you liked crack for your warrior, I didn't give you anything. You're probably thinking of Othen.

No where in either of the articles is Canada/Canadians referred to as pacifist.


READ MAN, READ!


Not only did Canada refuse to join the U.S. and allies in the Iraq war; its government has been openly critical of the U.S. and its allies in Iraq.


"Peace and Nation-Building Initiative" that would not employ fighting troops


but we do get Fox news up here

I hear otherwise..or do you have an illegal satelite system?

http://www.proudtobecanadian.ca/threads/showflat.php?Cat=&Number=285&page=0&view=collapsed&sb=5&o=&fpart=1

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1125620/posts

http://www.vivelecanada.ca/article.php?story=20040428110728159

The CRTC has banned Fox on Canadian TV, and refuses to accept its application to be put on the air..even when Canadian stations have asked to have it available if viewers pay a separate fee for it.

You will notice all of those links come from Canadian press btw, and not Fox itself.


if you ever saw CBC, you would have to be nuts to think that Fox news is better.

I have to wonder what you are thinking bragging about the state run news service.

The CBC, your taxpayer funded media service, didn't show anything on the Conservative(the opposition, in case you didn't know there was one to your Liberal party that is in power) party in Canada, not even the leadership debate. Yet...the CBC showed all 857 debates of the US democratic party?

You think the CBC is great because your government doesn't let you hear anything else.

Goebbels would be proud of the CBC, I can tell you that.


Why do you think Canadians are pacifist sissies? You are welcome to have that opinion, but without a REASON for that opinion
Canadians are pacifists, the way they make this known is by who they keep in power - the Liberal party, which is pacifist by nature.

Pacifism is a flawed philosophy that does not work in the real world. That makes pacifists naive.

The sissy is personal flavor.

I really don't get what is hard to understand about that.


PS. Cenbus was a Chanter, not a wizzy -- so unless you liked crack for your warrior

Indeed, and I used to ask you for tl's all the time, much like I kept telling Hubbe he was Canadian..to push your buttons...and it worked.

Oh, and I did have you kei me too.

Well the bouncers in the clubs in Gas Town in Vancouver aren't pacifists.

(Fox news for example, is not broadcast in Canada)

Well, there's one good thing Canada has going for it.

Yes, censorship is teh win.

First off, thank you for finally actually reading and answer my question.

Refusing to join this particular war that now your own government admits is not justified does not quailify as Pacifist.

"Hey, lets go beat up that ugly kid, he looked at me funny!" says the first guy.
"No thanks, I don't think that's a good idea." says the second.
"Oh man, you're such a fucking pacifist." says the first.

Yes, I know that is an extreme example. No the first guy isn't American nor the second Canadian. I just made that to illustrate that just because you don't want to use violence in a particular instance, it doesn't mean you're a pacifist.



"Peace and Nation-Building Initiative" that would not employ fighting troops

Am I wrong or isn't "Peace and Nation-Building" the MAIN reason the US is in Iraq? It's not? Please -- tell me your reason! There is(was?) more than one way to get peace in Iraq.

As for the Fox News not being in Canada, I don't know what to tell you. Those articles look like they're official, however as I write this I am watching Fox News.

Assuming that you won't take my word, here is the tv listing for my area, look at #28.
https://secure.shaw.ca/channels/chlistings.asp?selPCode=BC&selCity=765&icbPersist=true&isuSubmit1=submit&ihdProvince=BRITISH+COLUMBIA


This is the website that I got off of the newscast:
http://q13.trb.com/

Clearly this is a conflict in information, so there's not much we can do.


The CBC, your taxpayer funded media service...
That's right, CBC is taxpayer funded, "it is funded, through Parliament, by the people of Canada. CBC therefore considers it a duty to provide consistent, high-quality information upon which all citizens may rely." Found on http://cbc.radio-canada.ca/htmen/policies/journalistic/foreward.htm

Now, let's take a look at Fox news. They are a corporation. They tell the news to make money -- for no other reason.

Fox Entertainment Group, Inc., 82.1% owned by The News Corporation Limited (NYSE: NWS), is principally engaged in the development, production and worldwide distribution of feature films and television programs, television broadcasting and cable network programming. Fox has total assets as of March 31, 2004 of approximately US$30 billion and total annual revenues of approximately US$12 billion. The Company's studios, production facilities and film and television library provide high-quality creative content, and the Company's broadcasting and cable networks provide extensive distribution platforms for the Company's programs. Found on http://www.newscorp.com/feg/

Cool, they make $12 Billion a year. I can't say the CBC can have that claim to fame.

..[The CBC] didn't show anything on the Conservative(the opposition, in case you didn't know there was one to your Liberal party that is in power) party in Canada, not even the leadership debate.
Well, no, you are wrong. They did broadcast the leadership debate, and I watched it. Not much more I can say on that.

You think the CBC is great because your government doesn't let you hear anything else.

So Canada is strictly censored by our government? And as a result of this censorship, the Liberal(read: Nazi) party of Canada is able to keep a death grip on its people. Cool, maybe you can invade us next and liberate us from our oppression!

The sissy is personal flavor. You still never gave a reason for Canada being a sissy, even if it is just a personal flavor. Instead of asking a 5th time I'll just assume it's because we didn't join the Iraq war.

Why are you trying to make a big debate over someone giving a ranting opinion? I guess he's answering it so... its sort of justified.

This is the website that I got off of the newscast:
Woah woah woah, I see the problem right now.

That is -NOT- Fox news Cenbus, that is the Fox television channel..two very different things. That Fox channel is a local channel you get. Fox News is -not- on your cable list.

This is fox news:

http://www.foxnews.com/

PS. The pacifist part of the policy quote you missed is "that would not employ fighting troops".

My mistake on the Fox news thing.

PS. The pacifist part of the policy quote you missed is "that would not employ fighting troops".
This just goes back to my point that not joining a war for one reason or another is not the same as being a pacisfist. But neither of us will be able to convince eachother otherwise, so let's just agree to disagree?

Fair Enough.

'Ok, are you being serious right now?'

- You'll ask that a lot when conversing with Crist0, the Russian European.

Are you still trying to argue that Russia isn't a part of Europe oh Mighty Mental Giant?

You said Russia was European.
Now you're trying to slide towards it being "in Europe".
Why don't you just fall back on your "typo" excuse, as with Jordan?

At least I could muster up some pitty for that, and not just sadness.

I'm sorry, what does European mean to you Halo?

Over here it means of or relating to Europe or its languages, cultures, or people.


Why don't you just fall back on your "typo" excuse, as with Jordan?

Dear God Halo, it was an obvious mistype.

If this is the best you can do...oh, wait...it is isn't it?

Crist0, you fucked up.
We both know you did.

No politician, geographer, scientist, historian.. nobody in their right mind would recite Russia as a European country.

It's about as logical as calling Mexico a US state.

BUT LIEK IT'S RIGHT BELPOW THE US OMGOSH

REPENT! AND THOU SHALT BE SAVED!

It's about as logical as calling Mexico a US state.

Halo has hereby lost any and all ability from this day forth to EVER talk down someone else's geographical intelligence.

Saying Russia is European is as logical as saying Mexico is in North America.

Get learned Halo, or shut the fuck up.

' Saying Russia is European is as logical as saying Mexico is in North America.'

- What is WRONG with you? Are you actually legally mental? Do you live in an institute for the mentally retarded?

Why are you including "being" and "location"?!?!

Part of Russia may be IN Europe, but it fucking well ISN'T European you goddamn retard.

It's just like talking to a fucking brick wall.

The way I understand it, the part of Russia that's West of the Urals is considered part of Europe and the rest is Central Asia.

Calling all of Russia a European country could only be justified by someone who's never seen a world map though.

Actually, I just looked and found a map to that effect pretty easily: http://worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/eu.htm

Actuall due to Russians one time vastness in it's former incarnation as the USSR, it was often thought that Russia was sort of Eur-Asian. So your both kinda right.

Just pickin peanuts outta shit is all hehe:p

Russia is definitely European and Asian lol. Mexico is definitely North American and Central American.

The difficulty in understanding the Russian is that we do not take cognizance of the fact that he is not a European, but an Asiatic
General George S. Patton, Jr.

"If everyone is thinking alike, someone isn't thinking."
- General George Patton Jr

Russia is definitely European and Asian

We have a winner, tell him what he's won Bob.
Halo, you need to study harder, it will help you understand things a little better I should think.

Okay here we go.

Cristo is correct..Russia is part of the classical European continent.

Halo - Your correct that Russia isn't part of the European Union, nor "Euro" in philiosphy/idealogy.

There you're both right. ;)

What was was this thread about again. :)

' Halo, you need to study harder, it will help you understand things a little better I should think.'

- Ah, right. WinterwAng, the forum's dipshit and Crist0f-cock-suxx0r hath spoken, and thus Russia is indeed European.
Allow us to take a moment to bow down to the superior knowledge that is WinterwAng, on the account of his once obtaining a Library Card and reading "Karma Sutra - in pictures".
You hath proven me wrong. Russia is European, and so I will shame myself upon the steps of Our Lord Jesus Christ!

THE DAY OF REDEMPTION IS AT HAND!

REPENT! AND THOU...SHALT...BE...SAVED!!!


GOD IM GOOD! CAN YA FEEL THAT, HUH?! CAN YA?!?!?!

Count to ten Halo.

We're all wrong sometimes, no need to be so bitter.

Aye, very wrong.
I thought you were, ya know, remotely intelligent.
Perhaps a slither of knowledge left in that limp old Yanky body.

But oh dear. Russians being European.

It makes baby jesus cry.

WHY! WHY WOULD YOU MAKE BABY JESUS CRY, YOU SON OF A DOG!
REPENT!
REPENT!

I'm standing by my previous point, Russia is a European country. Ok, it's vaste and huge in its Asian territory... but name ONE major industrial center there? None, it's all freeze your balls off tundra and unexplored Siberia.

Kursk, St Petersburg, Moscow, Volgorod... The capital, cultural, religious, and technological centers of the country are in Europe. And over 70% of the population can speak English.

The truly sad part is how he still claims he is right.

You obviously don't agree with the dictionary so I'm curious Halo, what exactly is your definition of European?

Heck, when you look under Sanchek's post disagreeing with Russia being European if you look at his actual link to the world atlas you come up with:


European Russia (http://www.worldatlas.com/webimage/countrys/europe/eur.htm) is not a separate country, but rather the far western end of the Russian Federation. Most modern atlases and geography experts consider this landmass politically and geographically part of the continent of Europe.


So..you disagree with the dictionary's definition of European, you disagree with the widely held opinion of geography experts and atlases..

What exactly are you basing your opinion on?

Patton vs The Dictionary.

I'm sorry, but Patton wins.

Fil

Another Patton quote:


If I win I can't be stopped! If I lose I shall be dead

Guess what, he's been dead for awhile.

'And over 70% of the population can speak English.'

- The reasons just become worse and worse.

My definition of being a European country?

A country that is considered being European.

Astounding, eh?

Are those living in Yakutsk European? How about those Russians who live on the border with China in Khabarovsk?
Maybe those in Anadyr, right up by the US, are European?
St.Petersburg maybe less than 100 miles from Estonia, but that does not make Russia European.
Russia is a Northern Asian country. As Turkey is Middle Eastern, and NOT European. The gigantic - in every sense - city of Istanbul may me on the West of the Bosphorus, but guess what - Turkey is still a Middle Eastern country. It may neighbour Greece, but that doesn't make it European.

But you believe Russia to be a European nation, huh?
So that means that the US borders Europe, by the Bering Sea?

Yes, West of the Ural mountains is placed on the continent of Europe, but the country of Russia is certainly not considered to be a European nation.

And so, the ICJ judge representing Russia is not a European judge. No more than the Jordanian judge is European (oops, typo). His so called bias cannot exist on those basis.

Why am I bothering? Yegods. I could have eaten an orange during this time, and most likely shat it out.

And conveniently, here's the part Crist0 neglects to add to his quote:

"For reference purposes it is shown above to the west of the dashed-line [Ural Mountains], however, the entire country (as a whole) is still considered part of the continent of Asia."

Russians are not Euros.

Can you insipid fanatics keep your completely tangental bickering in the same thread, at least?

I'm sorry Halo, where was your counterpoint?

Your reason for disagreeing?


My definition of being a European country?

A country that is considered being European.


Your definition of a European country is a country that is considered European?

And you have the audacity to make comments about other people's knowledge?

Russia is European in each of the three criteria used in the definition of the word.

So, basically, you go against the opinions of experts in the field and the dictionary with no other reason than you don't personally consider them to be correct?


St.Petersburg maybe less than 100 miles from Estonia, but that does not make Russia European.

St. Petersburg is hundreds of miles west of the Urals, that makes it European.

The highest point in Europe is Mt. Elbrus, it is in Russia.

The lowest point in Europe is on the surface of the Caspian Sea, it is in Russia.

See how much fun geography is Halo!


But you believe Russia to be a European nation, huh?
So that means that the US borders Europe, by the Bering Sea?

Evidently your poor school system mistakenly informed you that Russia could not be both Asian AND European in nature Halo.

It works for Turkey too!

You never really answered Halo, what is your definition of European?

Who determines how a country is considered European, and what criteria do they use?


the ICJ judge representing Russia is not a European judge. No more than the Jordanian judge is European (oops, typo). His so called bias cannot exist on those basis.

He was born in Briansk(That is in Europe, just so you know). He was educated in Moscow(that's in Europe too, I know you have trouble with these).

Russia is biased against Israel in the same way other European countries are - moreso perhaps, given that they backed Arabs over Israel in opposition to the US.

By the way, I love how you keep bringing up my mistype Halo - it really shows just how poor your argument is.

I'm sorry Malse, I didn't mean to interrupt your discussion on the topic of..oh, wait..that's right you weren't participating in the discussion.

If by "this discussion" you mean you and Halo jacking each other off about Russia in three separate threads, then no, I wasn't.

If you weren't so belligerently dumb, you might have noticed myself and a few other people telling you how oblivious you have to be to call Canada pacifist.

Getting a little sensitive Halo? Ego's really aching isn't it. Don't worry kid, you're too stupid to remember how stupid you are for very long.

I'm sorry, I must have missed your massive contribution of 3 sentences 40 posts prior.

There were simply too many posters with points better than "Plenty of real things to make fun of Canadians over, like their beer!" I guess.


If you weren't so belligerently dumb you might have noticed myself and a few other people telling you how oblivious you have to be to call Canada pacifist.
Pardon?

Mayhaps if you weren't so caught up in bitching about how a discussion you contributed a couple of sentences to days ago had moved on in a different direction. you might have noted where I had showed the reasoning behind that opinion.

Of course you were, so you didn't, and now here we are watching another dick with a stick up his ass bitch about the direction of a thread he didn't even care enough to participate in.

By the way, Oh High and Mighty Intelligent Being, if you could count you'd realize the European debate was brought up in two threads, not three..and that it was dropped on the other thread days ago..coincidently, the same day you posted your brilliant beer contribution. Furthermore, if we were out of line discussing that in those -2- threads, the mods do have the ability to consolidate that discussion into a single one, or warn us.

Basically Malse, either pull the stick out of your ass and contribute to help steer direction of the thread or fuck off.

'...you're too stupid to remember how stupid you are for very long.'

- *blinks* how do you survive on this forum?

Mainly by schooling you repeatedly. And you survive on this forum by sticking to childish one-liners and insults because every time you try to actually debate an issue on merits your ignorance and bias shows.

Quick, tell me how stupid I am to think I'm stupid so I can't remember that I'm stupid!

Hahaha.
Bush is your speech writer, isn't he?

Yes Bush is my speech writer /boggle

You're getting dumber with desperation.

Ah, thought so.

It was the quick iron wit. I sensed a similarity.

Did you come up with any more witty comments at recess today with your buddy Elren?

Yehar. You're on fire!

It's just gotten so easy... I used to think you were a witty asshole, but it turns out you're just an asshole.

Evidently your poor school system mistakenly informed you that Russia could not be both Asian AND European in nature Halo.

I do so like how crist0 totally ignored Halo's quote from the article Crist0 himself posted.

"For reference purposes it is shown above to the west of the dashed-line , however, [u]the entire country (as a whole) is still considered part of the continent of Asia."

whoops? backfire?

It must really suck to have your argument defeated by something you brought into the argument.

I like how you totally missed the point when I responded, even though you quoted it.

Being a part of Asia and being a part of Europe are not mutually exclusive.

Sorry Halo, evidently we DO have some problems with public schools over here.

They teach as poorly as yours.

Once again I missed most of the post here but going off the original topic I don't think to many Canadians really hate Americans I spoke to well over the 40+ (which is somewhere around what they had surveyed) and they were mostly friendly and eager to here my point of view on many topics and quite a few I hung out with more then once. Just what I saw the last two weeks when I was on BC.

That's because they didn't see your grammar.

And I thought women had the rep for never letting things go. Jesus~ This is awsome!

'I used to think you were a witty asshole, but it turns out you're just an asshole.'

- If you want to ask me out on a date, just come out with it.
I'm free, Friday?

As Wliten said Crist0, you owned yourself about half way through this debate. Go, kiddy, go.

It's funny to see people talk about owning me while providing proof to the opposite with every post they make.

Hey Halo, have you caught that whole "not mutually exclusive" bit yet or is it still circling out of reach over your head?

Is that your cue to ask someone out on a date Halo? If they only call you an asshole instead of beating the crap out of you?