Why do people like her so much? She has a shitty track record and wants to give all my tax money to people who sit on their ass all day and do nothing...

Why is the Right so concerned with her too, its baffles me.

Because of the Hillary/Rodman pictures on the net is my theory.

IMO women like her because of her strong image. They identify with her having a PoS hubbie that cheats and lies. Yet she presses on and is successful I her career.

strong women dont take the humiliation and abuse from a lieing cheating husband. They bitchslap him, leave, then have thier lawyer drop off the divorce papers 5 days later after not talking to him in the meantime. Hilary is just a power hunger bitch that only cares about Hilary. She doesnt give a flying fuck about the poor people, just about thier votes.

Oh ya. Fuck Hilary

IMO women like her because of her strong image. They identify with her having a PoS hubbie that cheats and lies. Yet she presses on and is successful I her career.


<~~~~This is one woman who cannot stand Hillary Clinton.Perhaps if she had dumped her cheating husband from the second she found out about his infidelity,I might feel differently,but the fact that she has stood by his side ONLY to make herself look like the better person,really turns me off to her.She will never get my vote.

Hilary Clinton is not that popular among voters - you just read a lot about her because she, like her husband, is good at working the reader.

She has a heckuva lot of ambition, and she's willing to do whatever it takes to move up in the world.

I don't have any real fondness for her myself. I don't really hate her either, I just don't think she is particularly effective in the job. I remember the fiasco of her management of the health care initiative when Slick Willy was prez. She completely bungled that job. I distrust her willingness to abuse the system to get ahead also. Taking the Senate seat in NY (an obvious stepping stone to higher office) instead of running in her home state left me with the impression of power mongering, not public service.

If she has done a stellar job in NY, perhaps I could overlook that. I haven't watched closely enough at what she has been doing there, but fully intend to educate myself should she become a contender for the presidency.

strong women dont take the humiliation and abuse from a lieing cheating husband

they do if it will help them:

move up in the world.

Then they dump his sorry ass :')

I HATE her for several reasons. Her political views match up with nearly none of mine. She seems to take a side on issues based on popular opinion.

The greatest reason of all is her track-record in NY. I haven't seen her pass ANY bills with the interest of NY in mind, she is working to pass bills that affect the whole nation. This allows her a solid platform of issues and past reform to run for a higher office in the future.

Back when they were voting for hillary, i had hoped for Rick Lazio(sp?), hes a really nice guy.. to bad clinton won :P

just watch as big businesses flee from NY and its oppressive taxes over the next few years and you can thank Hillary and gang for killing New York financially just so they can buy votes from the poor in order to stay in power.

Once again i cant stress this enough: There is a major difference between HELPING THE POOR and MANIPULATING THE POOR

hilary, and bill, were and are retards...

anyone who thinks bill clinton was a great godly president is so fucken clueless and blinded by their own stupidity..

Because she is married to the best president we have had in the last 30 years.

best? such a relative term no?

best of a load of shit, is still shit, just less stinky. but id rather not argue, too tired to care

Because she is married to the best president we have had in the last 30 years.


Oh? What pray tell did this "best" president do to distinguish himself other than perjury, sexual harassment, using the office as a dating service and being the first president in over 100 years to be impeached(not to mention only the second in our nation's history)?

Best at stealing furniture from the white house as he was leaving? Or best at getting caught while doing so and having to send it back?

Best at waffling so badly on foreign policy as to spend the lives of American servicemen for no reason as in Somalia during his first year in office?

Best at neglecting rising amounts of terrorism directed at the US and further stripping our mechanisms to combat it, thereby creating an environment that people like UBL thrived knowing the worst consequences they would face would be a single cruise missile shot in their direction to keep up his image?

What criteria are you basing that statement on?

i hate hillary.. everyone voted for her because they felt bad for her. I mean what the fuck she should be giving bill some suckie suckie, he had one of the most stressful jobs and he came home to a wife that didnt fuck him. Her strong image is nothing, if she divorced him then i would say she is strong but she didnt b/c she wants to be the first lady and its all about her and blah blah blah fuck hillary plzkkty

The fact that the most flamed aspect of Clinton's presidency is personal rather than political indicates that the guy was doing something right.

Take Nixon for that matter. His policies were pretty good overall. Yet after the Watergate scandal, he has been considered one of the worst presidents of all time, down there with Harding.

Was Watergate such a bad thing? Damned right. Have any other presidents done such things? I'd wager that all the recent ones (with the probable exception of Carter) engaged in equally bad or worse secret activities with their power. Mr. "I am not a crook!" merely got caught doing so.

Not every president will live up to the standards of FDR or get elected at the time the world needs him most, like Reagan. So for a generic professional bullshitter, Clinton was not too bad.

anyone have a good link on the watergate scandale?

All i know of the incident is from a movie about the two journalists, so I would like to read up a bit on it.

The fact that the most flamed aspect of Clinton's presidency is personal rather than political indicates that the guy was doing something right.


Yeah, right. Perjury, horrible foreign policy, fuckin -theft- from the white house that he and his wife got caught at, sexual harassment and extreme abuses of his station are all "personal" issues.


Take Nixon for that matter. His policies were pretty good overall. Yet after the Watergate scandal, he has been considered one of the worst presidents of all time, down there with Harding.


I disagree. Yeah, he fucked up...and got caught. He also was one of the best presidents we have ever had on foreign policy. It's amazing how one fuckup for him makes him an evil bastard, yet numerous fuckups by Clinton do nothing to diminish his praisings..how many gates did nixon have? One. How many gates did Clinton? Count the number of illegal activities the clintons were caught at/investigated for.

They identify with her having a PoS hubbie that cheats and lies. Yet she presses on and is successful I her career. Come on. It was just a blow job. It's like a donut. You don't have to be hungry to have one.

Count the number of illegal activities the clintons were caught at/investigated for.

Nixon used covert operatives to break into his political opponents rooms.

Clinton got his dick sucked off.

One is evil, and corruption of the very basis of the American Political System.

The other is getting your dick sucked.

Was Clinton slimy? Ya. Is he anywhere near Nixon's league? No.

A number of the Clinton's associates have died under suspicious circumstances over the years. Coincidence? Very possibly. But I would hesitate to give Slick Willy a clean bill of health when it comes to corruption of Nixon's magnitude.

I think you would have to go back to Carter to find a president that is free from taint. Too bad he was not a particularly good president.

You make it sound like he just got a blowjob, what he did was abuse his office to get sexual favors and sexual harassment.

Let's not get into whitewater, filegate("Not being able to find" files important to an ongoing investigation is the same to me as watergate), pardongate, travelgate, I could go on if you want a full list.

The suspicious deaths of Ron Brown, Vince Foster, Mary Mahoney, Paul Tulley, Victor and Montgomery Raiser, Ed Willey, Jerry Parks, James Bunch, James Wilson, Kathy Fergusen, Bill Shelton, Suzanne Coleman, Danny Casolaro, Paul Wilcher, Gandy Baugh, Florence Martin, Jon Parnell Walker, Barbara Wise, Charles Meissner, Barry Seal, Johnny Lawhorn, Stanley Huggins, Hershell Friday, Kevin Ives, Don Henry, Keith Coney, Keith McMaskle, Gregory Collins, Jeff Rhodes, James Milan, Jordan Kettleson, Richard Winters, (from here on out they were all Clinton bodyguards) Major William S Barkley Jr, Captain Scott J Reynolds, Sgt Brian Hanley, Sgt Tim Sabel, Major General William Robertson, Col William Densberger, Col Robert Kelly, Spec Gary Rhodes, Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Conway LeBleu, Todd McKeehan.

One or two? Maybe, but when you get a list THAT big, and all of the deaths occur when they are :

a. Investigating illegal activities by the Clintons

b. Coming forward with or finding evidence of illegal activities by the clintons

c. Being the target of an investigation about the Clintons or having possible information about the Clintons during times being investigated(bodyguards, Whitewater, Mena)

d. Filing charges against Clinton or testifying against him

Then you have to step back a second and realize that's really too long of a list to all be coincidence. Personally, I don't remember Nixon ordering people's deaths. Call me crazy, but I think that list is far more than can be explained by coincidence and Clinton had something to do with the deaths of at least some of the people on that list.

Dude..

your a freaking loon...

He cant hide a dress with some sperm on it, yet he can order the deaths of 30+ people without a independant prosecutor with an unlimited budget and manpower even coming up with a hint of it?

How did he kill them? Magic?

Clinton was a rogue with l337 sneak/hide

Let me quote something from CNN for you Republicans.

President Clinton announces another record budget surplus
From CNN White House Correspondent Kelly Wallace

September 27, 2000
Web posted at: 4:51 p.m. EDT (2051 GMT)

WASHINGTON (CNN) -- President Clinton announced Wednesday that the federal budget surplus for fiscal year 2000 amounted to at least $230 billion, making it the largest in U.S. history and topping last year's record surplus of $122.7 billion.


What a concept. Lets run the US government to make money. He's a fucking genius. Want to know why running the country at a profit is important?

Deficits increase the Federal debt and, with it, the Government's obligation to pay interest. The more it must pay in interest, the less it has available to spend on education, law enforcement, and other important services, or the more it must collect in taxes--forever after. As recently as 1997, the Government spent over 15 percent of its budget to pay interest, in contrast to a projected 11 percent for 2001. Continuing surplus will reduce these interest payments further in future years.

Some jackass will come here shortly and say that it was Reagon's or Bush's fault that Clinton had a surpluss. Any moron can see through that. Reagon was a king of deficit. He proved that trickle down ecomics doesn't work.

So you think all of those deaths are purely coincidence? 30+ deaths all happening suspiciously(yes, people normally commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head), at times it was of great benefit to Clinton for them to do so..and it's all just random chance? He's one lucky motherfucker then, really really lucky.

What are the odds you think, of him being so lucky that 30+ people committed suicide or had freak accidents right when they were in a position to hurt Clinton through testimony or evidence of wrongdoing?

Hey nose, who forced Clinton to sign the balanced budget legislation that led to that surplus? Who did Clinton fight tooth and nail to NOT go through with the legislation that led to that surplus?

Oh yeah, Congress, that's right.

The fight was over the bloating of the amendment. The Republican Congress kept pushing forward a bloated amendment that was full of extra crap not necessary to a balanced budget.

As for the whole Clinton murder conspiracy. I believe 100% of that. On top of that, I also know that he was the 3rd gunman on the grassy knoll. Then again I believe everything I read on www.BushCountry.com .

nose is another idiot

so democratic its scary, hes blinded only by his own stupidity

What did Clinton do to make the surplus?

I find it funny how quickly you dismiss the possibility as crazy. How many people would have to die in "accidents" at crucial times for you to believe it probably wasn't coincidence?

I mean over 30 is enough for me. What number would convince you? Would it never be enough?

Bill Clinton wasn't that bad, he just needed to raise his sneak and hide skills a bit higher. Yes the economy was much better when he was president, but Internet IPOs and over saturation of the IT market helped a ton. Once Y2K was gone so were a lot of those jobs. You cannot fully credit Bill and fully discredit Bush on the economy.

Bill is nowhere near Hillary, she is way too much of a left wing extremist. She scares me...

So you think all of those deaths are purely coincidence? 30+ deaths all happening suspiciously(yes, people normally commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head), at times it was of great benefit to Clinton for them to do so..and it's all just random chance? He's one lucky motherfucker then, really really lucky.

What are the odds you think, of him being so lucky that 30+ people committed suicide or had freak accidents right when they were in a position to hurt Clinton through testimony or evidence of wrongdoing?

And, they are so good at this, nobody has caught them.

Ever.

I mean, damn, that's compitent. You are the center of a good chunk of the media attention of the western world, and you manage to arrange dozens of deaths, and all of them are considered coincidences.

I mean, it is possible. But, this seems vaguely on the same level as claiming that the CIA ran an airplane into WTC on Bush's orders.

I mean, look at how much power it gave the government, and how much it boosted Bush's popularity!

It is, however, ridiculous and insane. Possible, but ridiculous and insane -- at least at the level of evidence I've seen proposed.

Lots of dirty deeds go unproven or undetected for decades when a public figure is involved. A lot of the dirt on JFK only came out in the last decade or so for example.

Has Clinton had problem people bumped off? I honestly don't know. But you have to admit his personal character is suspect and there have been indications of a number of coverups going back to his Arkansas days. I for one would not care to stake a wager on his innocence just yet. Maybe if another ten years go by with no evidence or confessions coming out I will begin to believe him.

Ridiculous and insane.

Once you admit it's possible that people will kill other people to stop them from coming forward with evidence against them(it obviously is, or there wouldn't be such a thing as the witness protection program), and accept that it's possible that a politician could be involved with that sort of thing(criminal activity and politicians is not a far fetched idea), then you have to acknowledge it's possible Clinton could have offed a few people.

If you accept it is possible, unlikely as it may be, then you look at the sheer volume of unlikely deaths and the situations of them(again, people's planes usually don't just blow up, and people don't commit suicide by shooting themselves in the back of the head..look into some of the ways those people died, such as foster), it seems only logical that either someone was looking out for Clinton, or he somehow looked out for himself.

All of those people? Probably not. Some? I think very likely.

10 to 1 you cant prove half these people even existed

Oh god, here come the links to obits...

I don't know all of them. Ron Brown and Vince Foster were certainly in the news, being public figures. I have also read about the two State Patrol officers in connection with one of the sexual assault lawsuits. The rest would require some digging. Dunno if I want to spend the time, but if work keeps as slow as it is today I might take you up on that. Maybe not though. My laziness is legendary amongst my peers.

Let's not forget the two boys (young men?) who allegedly fell asleep on the railroad tracks near Mina, AR (sp?) and were subsequently run over by a train.

Allegedly these two men (boys? Dont recall ages) were on the way late at night to go fishing and their likely path to the fishing hole took them by the airport at Mina, AR. This is where, by some reports there was a great deal of "protected" drug traffic being conducted. I don't recall all the incidents and how it all tied back into Clinton, but there were several folks tied to this incident who also came up on the short end of the stick, unusual accidents I think they called them.

And according to one report I saw, there was actually 48 people who were close to the Clintons who mysteriously died in small plane crashes or back-of-the-head suicides or similar situations.

Is it possible that someone with political clout could get rid of this many people and still be free to walk the streets? Sure... by the way... does anyone REALLY know where Jimmy Hoffa is or what happened to him? Okay, that was union business, but it's the same thing. People who are in the political spotlight often (as history has proven) have those around them who take care of the "wet work", either by direct command or because they are "looking out" for them.

Either way... I would like to see some odds of having 30 people (not to mention 48 ) die who were so closely connected to one person. It seems highly unlikely to be a mere coincidence.

By the way... I think Johnson had Kennedy killed.... but that's another story.

What a concept. Lets run the US government to make money. He's a fucking genius. Want to know why running the country at a profit is important?

RUNNING THE GOVERNMENT FOR A PROFIT? ARE YOU FUCKING RETARDED? THE CONCEPT OF TAXATION IS THAT THE PEOPLE ARE PAYING FOR SERVICES PROVIDED BY THE GOVERNMENT. THE GOVERNMENT DOES NOT GENERATE IT, IT TAKES IT FROM IT'S CITIZENS. IT'S EASY TO RUN A GOVERNMENT FOR PROFIT, JUST TAX AND DON'T SPEND. IT JUST HAPPENS TO BE STUPID.

Either way... I would like to see some odds of having 30 people (not to mention 48 ) die who were so closely connected to one person. It seems highly unlikely to be a mere coincidence.

Do you know how many work in and around the President??
Consider the fact that there is couple hundred interns alone..
Estimate that about 1000 people work on the presidents inner staff...
And that "list" didnt even limit itself to people in that... it, by just by going by the skewed information that it presents, includes people with even marginal ties.

So.. 30-40 people out of a pool of a few thousand died? Okay... your point?
Oh. And ZERO evidence of any wrong doing in any of them.. no unsolved cases.. no open investigations...
So evidently.. the entire DC police force is in on the Clinton Mass Murders as well..
Unless the killings werent all limited to DC.. oh then then there is a national network of police who are in on it.. but never spoke..
Plus the peoples families... obviously they are all in on too.. because you hear NOTHING from them..

Jesus people.. think these things out will you? Cant see the fucking forest becuase the trees are in your way.

Most of those mentioned in the list were people who died or were killed under suspicious circumstance while Clinton was still governor of Arkansas. And as was pointed out in another post, many of them were personal bodyguards to Bill or Hillary.

That alone narrows the field to a much smaller number. As you mentioned, yes I'm sure there are many hundreds who came into contact with Bill or Hillary, however... many of the dead people in question were people who were close to them, not just acquaintances. So yes, I still say there is the *possibility* that some wrong doing was involved.

As was also pointed out in an earlier post, most of these folks died at a time when people were coming forward, or supposed to be coming forward to give evidence or testimony about wrongdoing on the Clinton's part.

I'm just saying that it seems more than just a coincidence.

So.. 30-40 people out of a pool of a few thousand died? Okay... your point?


so..a %deathrate thats about 100x higher then the average..is acceptable?
and its just "coincidence" that this obscene death-rate happens to occur during a suspicious presidents term?

Your ?"30-40" people outta thousands doesnt hold up.Cause thats a really HUGE number against statistics.

10 to 1 you cant prove half these people even existed


Ron Brown: Plane crash. Despite serious questions raised by examining pathologist, no autopsy. Other anomalies at site of crash. Was on the verge of being indicted. 4/3/96

Niko Jerkuic - Chief Niko Jerkuic, technician in charge of the radio beacons used during the fatal Ron Brown flight committed suicide May 6, 1996. Christopher Ruddy and Hugh Sprunt wrote, "Brown's plane was probably relying on Croatian ground beacons for navigation. In the minutes before Brown's plane crashed, five other planes landed at Dubrovnik without difficulty, and none experienced problems with the beacons. But additional questions about the beacons and the crash will remain unanswered because, as the Air Force acknowledges, airport maintenance chief Niko Junic died by gunshot just three days after the crash and before he could be interviewed by investigators. Within a day of his death, officials determined the death was a suicide."

Shelly Kelly - Shelly Kelly was the flight attendent on Ron Brown's ill fated flight (April 3, 1996) James Nugent of the Wall Street Underground wrote, "Four hours and 20 minutes after the crash, the first Croatian Special Forces search party arrives on the scene and finds only Ms. Kelly surviving. They call for a helicopter to evacuate her to the hospital. When it arrives, she is able to get aboard without assistance from the medics. But Kelly never completes the short hop. She dies enroute. According to multiple reports given to journalist/editor Joe L. Jordan, an autopsy later reveals a neat three-inch incision over her main femoral artery. It also shows that the incision came at least three hours after her other cuts and bruises."

Dan Short - Short was a bank president, abducted from his home in Benton Co., Arkansas, in 1989 and allegedly forced to open the State Bank in Noel, MO were $71,000 was allegedly taken. Three days before his abduction, he had told friends that he had been laundering drug money and was in trouble.

Vince Foster: Scores of anomalies remain despite two investigations. White House engaged in major obstruction of investigation including refusing to allow police officers to search office. Some experts consider Foster's suicide note to be a forgery. 7/21/93

Jim McDougal: Heart attack. Serious health problems; died while in solitary. On 12 medications. Unusual Prozac level found during autopsy. Questions about other drugs given, including Lasix, which is contraindicated for heart patients. Despite being key witness against Clinton, had been treated at a welfare hospital. 3/8/98

Mary Mahoney - Former White House intern shot five times during the murder of three Starbucks employees in an execution-style slaying. No money was taken. Informant assisting police in case was murdered when sent by DC police into a botched drug sting. The handling of the 1997 Starbucks murder case continues to raise questions. Why, of all the 301 slayings that took place in DC that same year, did only these three killings attract the attention not only of the FBI but of Attorney General Reno herself? Reno overruled her own US Attorney and called for the death penalty in the case. Reno had intervened in only one other local case -- a gang leader accused of 14 deaths. Carl Derek Cooper pleaded guilty to the crimes in April 2000 after being threatened with the death penalty by Reno. The murder happened just as she was to go public with her story of sexual harassment in the White House.

C. Victor Raiser II - & - Montgomery Raiser: Major players in the Clinton fund raising machine, died in a private plane crash in July 1992.

Paul Tulley - Democratic National Committee Political Director. Found dead in a hotel room in Little Rock, September 1992(Clinton described him as a "Dear friend and trusted advisor").

Ed Willey - Clinton fund raiser, found dead November 1993 in the woods in Virginia of a gunshot wound to the head. Ed Willey died on the same day his wife Kathleen Willey claimed Bill Clinton groped her in the oval office in the White House. Ed Willey was involved in several Clinton fund raising events.

Eric Butera - An informant in the murder of White House intern Mary Mahoney. Assigned by DC police to make an undercover drug buy and was beaten to death.

Jerry Parks - Clinton security aide in Arkansas, known to have been keeping dossier on Clinton, gunned down in his car outside of Little Rock. Parks was shot through the rear window of his car and shot three more times, through the side window, with a 9mm pistol. Parks ran American Contract Services, the business which supplied bodyguards for Clinton during his presidential campaign and the following transition. Bill Clinton still owed him $81,000. Parks had collected detailed data on Clinton's sexual escapades, including pictures and dates. Wife claims federal agents subsequently removed files and computer. She also says that upon learning of Vincent Foster's death, he told her, "I'm a dead man." Two months later he was. Wife also says he made large transfers of cash to Vince Foster. 9/26/93

James Bunch - Died from a gunshot suicide. It was reported that he had a "Black Book" of people containing names of influential people who visited prostitutes in Texas and Arkansas.

James Wilson - Was found dead in May 1993 from an aparent hanging suicide. He Allegedly had ties to Whitewater.

Kathy Ferguson - Gunshot to head. Death came five days after her ex-husband, Danny Ferguson, was named a co-defendant in the Paula Jones law suit. Left suicide note but body was found in her living room next to her packed bags as though she was planning to take a trip. Bullet hole behind the left ear, execution style, although she was right handed and found with the gun in her right hand. 5/11/94

Bill Shelton - Arkansas state Trooper and fiancee of Kathy Ferguson. Vocal in his opposition to the suicide ruling of his fiancee, he was found dead in June, 1994 of a gunshot wound(also ruled a suicide) behind his ear at the gravesite of his fiancee. Left note saying "I can't stand it any more."

Gandy Baugh - Attorney who had represented Clinton buddy and drug distributor Dan Lasater allegedly jumped to his death. Baugh's law partner commited suicide one month later. 2/9/94

Florence Martin - Accountant - Sub-contractor for the CIA related to the Barry Seal Mena Airport drug smuggling case. Died of three gunshot wounds.

Suzanne Coleman - Reportedly had an affair with Clinton when he was Arkansas Attorney General. Died of a gunshot wound to the back of the head, ruled a suicide. Was pregnant at the time of her death.

Danny Casolaro - Investigative reporter. Investigating Mena Airport and Arkansas Development Finance Authority. Found dead with slit wrists, apparent suicide in the middle of his investigation.

Paul Wilcher - Washington attorney found dead on a toilet in apartment. Said to be investigating various scandals including the October Surprise, the 1980 election campaign, drug and gun-running through Mena and the Waco assault. Was planning a TV documentary on his findings. Delivered extensive affidavit to Janet Reno three weeks before his death. Cause of death unknown. 6/22/93

Jon Parnell Walker - Whitewater investigator for Resolution Trust Corp. Fell to his death from his Arlington, Virginia apartment balcony August 15,1993. He was investigating the Morgan Guarantee scandal at the time.

Barbara Wise - Commerce Department staffer, worked closely with Ron Brown and John Huang. Died November 1996. Her bruised nude body was found locked in her office at the Department of Commerce. Cause of death unknown.

Charles Meissner - Assistant Secretary of Commerce who gave John Huang special security clearance, died shortly after in a small plane crash.

Dr. Stanley Heard - Chairman of the National Chiropractic Health Care Advisory Committee died with his attorney Steve Dickson in a small plane crash. Dr. Heard, in addition to serving on Clinton's advisory council personally treated Clinton's mother, stepfather and brother.

Barry Seal - Head of the drug smuggling operation out of Mena Arkansas, often referred to as the "biggest drug smuggler in American history". Allegedly kept in close contact with Clinton's head of security at the Arkansas Governor's mansion. Cut a deal in return for testimony. Death via machinegun in the parking lot of a Baton Rouge rehab center.

Dr Ronald Rogers - Plane crashed while this Arkansas dentist was on his way to an interview with a London Telegraph reporter covering the Clinton scandals. Plane went down far off its planned route after generator overheated.

Neil Moody - Son of the man Vince Foster's widow married was killed in a single car crash against a brick wall. Reports that he had been talking to reporters. There were other reports that Neil Moody had discovered something unsettling among his stepmother's private papers and was threatening to go public with it just prior to the beginning of the Democratic National Convention. Witnesses said they saw Neil sitting in his car arguing with another person and suddenly speeding off out of control and hitting a brick wall.8/25/96

Paula Grober - Clinton's speech interpreter for the deaf was killed in a high-speed, no witness, one-car crash. Had traveled extensively with Clinton since 1978 12/9/92

Admiral Jeremy Boorda - Boorda allegedly killed himself after going home for lunch. Explanations for suicide include his wearing an improper medal and stresses over Navy downsizing. Explanations for Boorda's suicide focused on a claim that he was embarrassed over two "V for Valor" pins he was not authorized to wear. When it turned out that Boorda was entitled to those decorations, blame shifted to stresses over down sizing of the Navy and the adverse affect that feminism was having on the Navy's morale.

Jim Wilhite - Vice chair of Arkla with ties to Clinton and Mack McLarty. Died in a one person skiing accident. Wilhite was an associate of Mack McClarty's former firm. 12/21/92

Johnny Lawhorn Jr. - Automobile mechanic who found $27,000 check made out to Clinton in car left at his shop. Single-car crash at 1 am after leaving gas station at high rate of speed. 3/26/98

Stanley Huggins - Apparent Suicide. Investigated Madison Guarantee. Report from his investigation was never released.

Hershell Friday - Attorney and Clinton fund raiser. Died March 1, 1994 when his plane exploded.

Ron Miller - Was under investigation for financial irregularities, Miller had turned over evidence of campaign finance wrongdoing to congressional investigators. Miller, suddenly took ill and died 9 days later. The death was strange enough that doctors referred it to the Oklahoma medical examiner which has refused to release the results of its tests. 10/12/97

William Colby - Colby's death, allegedly while canoeing, raises a number of questions. For example, the retired CIA head had left his home unlocked, his computer on, and a partly eaten dinner on the table. Colby had recently become an editor of Strategic Investment which was doing investigative reporting on the Vince Foster death. 4/96

Kevin Ives/Don Henry - Boys on the tracks. Lots of information on these two. This is a decent account from the engineers in the train and some of the first people on the scene, including the paramedics and a state trooper: arktimes.com/991105coverstory.html (http://arktimes.com/991105coverstory.html)

This is a response from Linda Ives, Kevin Ives' mother, to being asked how Clinton was connected to her son's death: www.zpub.com/un/traindeath.html (http://www.zpub.com/un/traindeath.html)

This is part of the released fbi report concering the two of them: www.maraleveritt.com/2-fb...nv-pdf.htm (http://www.maraleveritt.com/2-fbi-ives-henry-inv-pdf.htm)

Misc stuff:

www.idfiles.com/duffey-affidavit.htm (http://www.idfiles.com/duffey-affidavit.htm)
www.idfiles.com/salvid.htm#1 (http://www.idfiles.com/salvid.htm#1)


Keith Coney - Believed to have been with Don Henry and Kevin Ives the night they died. Told several people that law enforcement officers killed Ives and Henry. Died two days after Ives and Henry, crashing his motorcycle into the back of a truck while allegedly being chased. No autopsy, no investigation.

Keith McMaskle - McKaskle had expressed fear for his life of the "railroad track thing." Inmate reported being offered $4,000 to kill McKaskle. Told his parents good-bye. Made his own funeral arrangements. Days later stabbed 113 times, Nov 1988. Murder still unsolved.

Gregory Collins - Shotgun blast to the face. No police investigation, body cremated before autopsy could be performed. Earlier he had failed to answer a subpoena before the Ives-Henry grand jury.

Jeff Rhodes - Told his family he knew too much about the murder of Ives, Henry, McMaskle. Shot, burned, hands and feet partially sawed off and left in a garbage dump.

James Milan - Grand jury witness in train deaths. Was found decapitated. Death ruled a result of natural causes.

Jordan Kettleson - Grand jury witness in train deaths. Found shot in his pick-up.

Boonie Bearden - Bearden was apparently murdered under mysterious circumstances March 1989.According to Micah Morrison in the Wall Street Journal, "he was a friend of both Greg Collins and Keith Coney. He 'vanished' without a trace. It was rumored he knew exactly what had happened at the tracks. An anonymous caller said he knew where he had been murdered. The police found a piece of a shirt, nothing more."

Richard Winters - Suspect in Ives/Henry deaths. Killed in a robbery in 1989.

Brian D Haney, William S Barkley Jr, Tim Sabel, Scott J Reynolds - Clinton bodyguards. Helicopter crash in woods near Quantico VA. Reporters barred from site, but fire department chief reported security tight with "lots of Marines with guns." Videotape made by firefighter seized by Marines. 5/19/93

Steve Willis, Robert Williams, Conway LeBleu, Todd McKeehan - These four former ATF agents -- killed during the Waco Standoff -- had served as bodyguards to Bill Clinton. Questions have been raised as to the nature and source of their wounds. 2/28/93

Robert Bates - Airport mechanic, Mena. Allegedly drank himself to death on mouthwash.


Well..there's some measure of proof they existed. You can feel free to look these people up if you want further proof. Once you discover they were real people, are there enough "coincidental" deaths there to make you suspicious? If not how many more would it take?

You copy and pasted from the same sight you found the list..
big deal.

www.snopes.com/inboxer/ou...linton.htm (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/clinton.htm)

0h n0z!!! Teh Clint0nZ H4xxoRd Snopes on teh PC!

I found the original list in the mid-late 90's to be more interesting. Most of the people were more directly connected to Clinton. I actually began work on a web page with info about this, but got distracted.

Oh well FUCK ME. If SNOPES says something is true, then I GOTTA listen to them!

Snopes attempts to rebut the ties to Clinton and/or the circumstances of their deaths. It does not dispute their existence. Ironically LL has shown himself that at least half of the names existed, saving me the trouble of digging that crap up today. Once again, my laziness prevails!

Again, I can't say I believe Clinton knocked off all those people. I also can't say I truly believe he is innocent of having any of those people knocked off. My gut tells me he is dirty as hell, but I will be the first to admit my gut has been wrong before. Hence, I may begin to cut him some slack if a number of years go by with no further evidence emerging. In the meantime, I will quietly despise him as the quintessential used car salesman made good.

A more reliable list (and probably bigger) would be the women Clinton molested, raped, harassed, etc., using his position of power. I don't think Clinton was somehow responsiblefor those people's deaths. That's not his modus operandi. Clinton abused his office and power in much more subtle and devious ways than a simple "hit" His abuse and lies finally caught up to him and he was impeached, convicted of perjury, and disbarred (Ark. license was suspended; Sup. Ct. was disbarred).

There's a lot to blame Clinton for (see here (http://www.opinionjournal.com/extra/?id=110004082) or read this (http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/tg/detail/-/0895260743/qid=1065111896/sr=8-1/ref=sr_8_1/103-7781946-1027023?v=glance&s=books&n=507846) book or watch this (http://imdb.com/title/tt0120472/) movie (a real documentary not some made up Moore shit) for some of the many serious issues with the Clinton presidency.

might not be Bills but i bet old Hilary would do it

That's ok LL, you can keep trying to claim I'm saying he killed/arranged to kill all of those people. What I'm saying is that's a shitload of suspicious deaths happening at just the right time for him, and there are too many for me to believe they are all coincidence. If you'd followed the links over the tracks case you would have gotten one of the boys' own mother's take on that.

First you claimed they didn't exist at all...so I give a litle background about each one...now they exist and you accept that they died in those manners, but say Clinton had no connection to any of them. That's not true...even snopes doesn't deny most of these people had contact with Clinton.

Snopes doesn't even acknowledge a good deal of information, such as Jerry Parks' wife claiming that her husband's records were taken from their house by law inforcement officials.

Not to mention things like Kathy Ferguson being shot behind her left ear instead of her temple, being found with the gun in her right hand, or that she was sitting by freshly packed suitcases. They also try to dismiss her connection to clinton despite the fact that she was married to Clinton's co-defendent in the Paula Jones trial when Clinton and Jones were in that hotel room, and was a going to be called as a witness.

Why don't you look into the actual events yourself? Snopes gives no supporting information for their broad statements other than NTSB reports which they interpret their own way.