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Was a hell of a speech IMHO.

For Hillary anyway.

She nailed it!

I give it an 95. Good beat, easy to dance to, and the lyrics were nice. :cool:

She did indeed

For Hillary anyway.

For the Democratic party, and for Obama...

McCain can say goodbye to Hillary's supporters now, and all it took was one speech... Remember speeches? The thing that everyone said didn't matter? One of them there speeches may have just cost McCain the presidency!

It was a very good speech, and not only was it spirited, she retained her dignity (and then some!) and stayed true to herself while delivering it (in other words, she didn't disingenuously fawn over Obama, but treated him with the respect due a former worthy rival, and it was considerably more than Kennedy accorded Carter in 1980). It was, dare I say it, Presidential ;), but it said what she needed to say; that the issues that motivated her to run in the first place were bigger and more important than herself, and it was clear that her allegiance was, and that of her supporters should be, to the party, and the American people, first. I think it was everything her supporters wanted of her - it was a hell of a swan song, and she came out swinging against McCain's policies.

The speech should leave her smelling like a rose, her supporters some closure, and I noted with some amusement that the threw down the gauntlet at Obama's feet with regard to "providing health insurance for *everyone*", a clear poke at the differences between her and his proposed health care plans...

He's going to have a hell of an act to follow. Any bets on how recently-tagged "loose cannon" Bill will do tomorrow night?

Regards,
Nydia

I have to admit i liked her.

"No way, no how, no McCain."

"Sisterhood of the Traveling Pantsuits"

I thought it was an excellent speech that should rally the party around Obama. This should help to eliminate the discussions on whether Hillary's followers would step up and vote for Obama. It was a very well delivered speech that touched on just about everything the party could have hoped.

Bill tonight will take a lesson in grace from his wife the night before and blow the doors off the convention I am sure.

To be honest, Hillary had the best health care plan and it deserves a looking at by him. Hell, lets hope that was part of the deal that put her and her supporters behind him.

She did great, Bill getting all teary eyed was probably scripted but it worked, and my only complaint is ... why the hell are they having their best speaches after 10 pm on the east coast?

To work around the prime time scheduled shows of course.

They had to have Hillary's speech on after America's Got Talent last night instead of during. Actually I like that they have the more important speakers speaking after the new shows are over. That can do nothing but help the viewing audience of the speeches increase in size.

Well, a 10 to 11 speech meant most of Florida and Virginia and other big "battleground" states aren't watching the coverage that late and the visibility and bump the Democrats want is wasted. A 9 to 10 EST 6 to 7 PST would have been better, no?

6-7 PST I don't know the viewership you get then. I know that's when my family eats dinner.

What PST battlegrounds are there? They could even 1 hour delay for the west coast broadcasts, can't show stuff 1 hour earlier on the east coast.

Well you were the one that brought up 6-7 PST, not me.

The point was ... It is just stupid of the Democrats to totally lose the entire week long pep rally for Florida, Pennsylvania, Ohio and Virginia, when they are so close this year. California is gonna go Democrat in November with or without the coverage and they can see highlights on their evening news after dinner. Senior Citizens are asleep by 10 EST in Florida, as is most of the Eastern coast. It is a huge fuckup to dismiss that chunk of the population and it'll cost them. I hope the Republicans make the same mistake.

Or, maybe they realize no one watches these things anyway unless they're already rabid supporters.

25 million households or 50 million viewers estimated proves otherwise, and particularly in the senior demographic I'm sure a lot more would have tuned in for the convention on the East Coast had the opportunity existed inside their bedtime.

Obviously even Akipt saw the speaches, and he wouldn't pee on Obama to put out a fire. I'm sure the "undecided" population is influenced by these conventions, hence the post convention bump candidates receive in the polls.

25 million households or 50 million viewers estimated proves otherwise, and particularly in the senior demographic I'm sure a lot more would have tuned in for the convention on the East Coast had the opportunity existed inside their bedtime.

Obviously even Akipt saw the speaches, and he wouldn't pee on Obama to put out a fire. I'm sure the "undecided" population is influenced by these conventions, hence the post convention bump candidates receive in the polls.

Of course this is an assumption made by you. I could equally assume that anyone that wanted to watch it could stay up to a time before the nightly news if they really wanted to see the convention. Neither of us would be correct because both are baseless assumptions that each of us are basing on our own gut feelings.

The exact thing you posted about 25 million households could be used against you in an argument stating that those that wanted to see it, saw it.

Taleren, you must be just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Or are you dating Howard Dean? Look at the viewing demographics comparing East Coast to the rest of the country and you see a significant drop.

Taleren, you must be just arguing for the sake of arguing.
Or are you dating Howard Dean? Look at the viewing demographics comparing East Coast to the rest of the country and you see a significant drop.

Me? You are the one making assumptions and running with them because you feel that those assumptions must be correct. Are you not considering the time it is in Denver at the time Hillary went on at all?

Sure there are more battleground states east of the Mississippi, but that doesn't make that area the only area of the country that 'matters.' What's with the personal attacks directed at me when I point out that you are doing no more than me in making assumptions? Do you think that somehow improves your assumption or makes it more right than mine?

It could just as easily be said that if you want the senior citizen population to view it that the event would have to be over by 8 PM. How well would that work in Denver? How would that help anything by leaving out half of the entire country? The prime time broadcast of the convention concluded at the end of prime time, just like any other major show that's on during the week.

Do you think NBC would run ER from 10 to 11 if it wasn't a good time for them for ratings? Twenty five million homes watching something as 'boring' as a convention from 10-11 shows to me that the viewership wasn't hurting. Every person that wanted to watch it last night, but happened to go to bed, could watch it this morning replayed on damn near every channel anyhow (I'd say they could watch it on youtube, but most of the people that you are claiming went to bed earlier aren't as computer savvy).

25 million households or 50 million viewers estimated proves otherwise, and particularly in the senior demographic I'm sure a lot more would have tuned in for the convention on the East Coast had the opportunity existed inside their bedtime.

Obviously even Akipt saw the speaches, and he wouldn't pee on Obama to put out a fire. I'm sure the "undecided" population is influenced by these conventions, hence the post convention bump candidates receive in the polls.

You think it's hard to believe that there are 50 million people watching TV that are already solid Democrats? If that's hard for you to believe, I guess there's no chance for the Democrats to win anyway!

Believing that these conventions are relevant these days takes a lot of assuming.

You think it's hard to believe that there are 50 million people watching TV that are already solid Democrats? If that's hard for you to believe, I guess there's no chance for the Democrats to win anyway!

Believing that these conventions are relevant these days takes a lot of assuming.

That's certainly a valid argument. I'd argue that even if the "post-convention bump" capturing independent voters doesn't exist, the motivation factor of the convention helps get more people involved in the campaign that otherwise would just watch from the sidelines and motivates people to donate. Obviously locality only matters in a) swinging voters and b) motivating people to get involved (to turn swing voters) and not in the campaign finance category, but IF they conventions were entirely worthless the parties wouldn't spend nearly as much money on them as they do. So, since they are spending that much money we need to at least assume THEY feel that the conventions are worthwhile. So why not maximize their audience in the "battleground" states?

I had my reporter friend find out. It turns out that when Obama changed his speaking location to Mile High Stadium the networks had to cut back on coverage, the change ended up costing a few hundred thousand dollars more than their budgets could hold. In order to recoup this cost they started scaling back what they would do on what nights, like in 2004 when they didn't even show 2nd night speeches. Democrats pushed the time back an hour to open up some network prime time in order to get coverage of the speech last night.

I guess having Hillary on 4 network broadcast channels last night is better than not having her on broadcast at all, and the Democrats are hoping the effect of Obama accepting with 76,000 fans - much like the way we award the Lombardi trophy, will make up for any loss of viewership last night. Makes sense.

I kinda agree the conventions are much to do about not really much.

Obama/Clinton/McCain ALREADY get wall to wall coverage on the networks. I guess this is wall to wall to WALL! THREE FUCKING DIMENSIONS OF WALLS BABY!

Especially this convention which is so heavily loaded for the culminating event. The entire thing kind of hinges on Obamas speech in the stadium.

Especially this convention which is so heavily loaded for the culminating event. The entire thing kind of hinges on Obamas speech in the stadium.


OMG!!! What if he gets up to the microphone, sticks his hands in his pockets and shrugs, and says, "I changed my mind. Hillary can have the headaches. I am staying in the Senate." :eek: