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Rover
10-05-2008, 05:23 PM
Sarah Palin was absolutely a member of the AIP the Alaska Independence Party as was her husband.

Direct quotes from the AIP founder Dexter Clark:

October 3rd of 2007: Our current governor who I mentioned at the last conference, the one we were hoping would get elected, Sarah Palin, did get elected there’s a joke she’s a pretty good looking gal there a joke going around that we are the coldest state with the hottest governor. And there’s a lot of talk about her moving up. She was an AIP member before she got the job as a mayor of a small town. That was a non partisan job. But you get along to go along she eventually joined the Republican Party, where she had all kinds of problems with their ethics, and well, I won’t go into that. She also had about an 80 percent approval rating, and is pretty well sympathetic to her former membership.


More from Dexter Clark:

The people of Alaska from what I’ve heard in this room and several other areas are fed up. And if ever there was a time that is ripe for change, this is it. On our own situation, we’ve discussed several options. Do we try to get our case into the International Court of Justice? Or to the World Court ? Several of the native Alaskan organizations are taking that route independent of us. They want to do it on their terms. They haven’t realized in my mind what the potential of their own political party which there are pitfalls of an organized political party. You don’t have any control over who joins that party. They put the X next to it on the registration form, and if they join they pri- they go into the primary and win that primary, they’re your candidate, like it or not.

That they uh.. I think Ron Paul has kinda proven that – he’s a dyed-in-the wool libertarian, he came to Alaska and spoke as a libertarian, and put the Republican label on it to get elected, that’s all there is to it. And any one of your organizations should be using that same tactic. You should infiltrate I know that the Christian Exodus is in favor of it, the Free State movement is in favor of it. I don’t know if they even care which party it is. Whichever party seems in that area you can get something done, get into that political party, even though it does have its problems. Right now that is one of the only avenues. And you get a few people on a city council or a town court you can have some effect. I kind of digressed there a little bit.

But the problem remains that you have to be at the table in the existing political realm you have to be a Demopublican or a Republicrat is what we call it.

In 2008 the AIP had their convention and Governor Palin addressed the members:

I’m Governor Sarah Palin and I am delighted to welcome you to the 2008 Alaskan Independence Party Convention in the golden heart city of Fairbanks. Your party plays an important role in our state’s politics. I’ve always said that competition is so good, and that applies to political parties as well. I share your party’s vision of upholding the constitution of our great state. My administration remains focused on reining in government growth so individual liberty and opportunity can expand. I know you agree with that. We have a great promise to be a self-sufficient state, made up of the hardest-working, most grateful Americans in our nation. So as your convention gets underway I hope that you all are inspired by remembering that all those years ago, it was in this same city that Alaska ’s constitution was born. And it was founded on hope and trust and liberty and opportunity. I carry that message of opportunity forward in my administration, as we continue to move our state ahead and create positive change. So I say good luck on a successful and inspiring convention. Keep up the good work, and God bless you.

Watch the Video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F4iCDBIAde8)


This is far beyond a Jeremiah Wright or William Ayers. I hope people notice this and the press opens this up.

This woman not once mentions the USA or the US constitution in her address of them, she shouldn't even be speaking to them.

Osgiliath666
10-05-2008, 07:13 PM
Blah blah blah William Ayers... Blah ablah blah Rashid Kahlidi blah blah blach Tony Rezko... Frank Marshall davis Blah blah.. Shut your hole Rover...

Rover
10-05-2008, 07:17 PM
Blah blah blah William Ayers... Blah ablah blah Rashid Kahlidi blah blah blach Tony Rezko... Frank Marshall davis Blah blah.. Shut your hole Rover...

I can't, you neocons give me way to much to talk about. This Palin and her husband are the worst this country has to offer and you buy it hook line and sinker.

Lleauric
10-05-2008, 07:29 PM
Hi Osg.

Practice saying "President Obama" for at least the next 4 years.

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLO L

http://rejectedreality.files.wordpress.com/2007/09/churchsign_loser.jpg

Rover
10-05-2008, 10:23 PM
Hey Osg, I think I found some home movies of you.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Wroj0FLvzs

Filatal
10-05-2008, 10:43 PM
"I'm an Alaskan, not an American. I've got no use for America or her damned institutions."
-Joe Vogler, Founder of AIP

Greystone Thorngage
10-05-2008, 11:11 PM
Osi, blah blah blah Keating....

Ailwon
10-06-2008, 01:17 PM
Your post is extremly relevant considering the direct the McSAME/aPALLINg campaign is going. Sad really...McCain is a mere shell of the man he once appeared to be.

Osgiliath666
10-06-2008, 02:45 PM
I agree Obama will be most likely be President. I also feel that There will no longer truly be an America as we have all grown up in. America is dead. These things are cyclical... I understand that. You guys get your turn this time to jack things up. In a few years we'll get to jack them all up again. Like the current round of political foes I to will do everything to whittle away at the forthcoming administrations power and undermine it's authority. Heck maybe this time I will get to riot..lol You libtards get all the fun. Huh, just think a terrorist in the white house.. Who would have thought. Crazy this thing called America. See ya guys for '12.

Ailwon
10-06-2008, 02:53 PM
just think a terrorist in the white house

........or a corrupt cheating lying ahole and his nazi third wife :)

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-06-2008, 07:34 PM
C'mon, Osi, join with those of us that want to do away completely with this two party system, and see some real change in Washington. (And maybe some effective, productive legislation for a change)

Ron Paul will hopefully be mentoring some young up and comers for the next campaign in 2012.

Greystone Thorngage
10-06-2008, 09:24 PM
I agree Obama will be most likely be President. I also feel that There will no longer truly be an America as we have all grown up in. America is dead. These things are cyclical... I understand that. You guys get your turn this time to jack things up. In a few years we'll get to jack them all up again. Like the current round of political foes I to will do everything to whittle away at the forthcoming administrations power and undermine it's authority. Heck maybe this time I will get to riot..lol You libtards get all the fun. Huh, just think a terrorist in the white house.. Who would have thought. Crazy this thing called America. See ya guys for '12.

It does sadden me that i don't believe he is even joking. Im of mixed race so he hated me already....cant taint that pure American blood.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-06-2008, 11:09 PM
Im of mixed race


As is half of my family.

So, I offer the same invitation to you, to join us in getting some viable third party candidates to challenge the current bullshit status quo. And those that talk hate........don't worry about them, because karma is a bitch!

Kanyli
10-07-2008, 12:09 AM
Osi is playing a character, right? Like Colbert? No one actually thinks that way...

Ibudin
10-07-2008, 07:50 AM
No they actually do think that way, I have several of them in my family. The last outing I had, I had to power slam my brother on his back over politics in a bar during the Packer game, he is a backwoods idiot. Should hang out on the border of northern Wisconsin and Michigan some time...they are litterally the worse racists pos you could meet, not to mention miss informed about EVERYTHING.

Sixee
10-07-2008, 08:44 AM
Heh, I thought it was the South that was racist, not them Yankees....

And I agree, we need a viable third party in this country: a TRULY Conservative one, without neoliberal facists that have invaded the current Republican Party....

Ailwon
10-07-2008, 10:17 AM
OMG, is there no depths this guy won't sink to, painting himself as a victim in the Keating five scandal:

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20081007/ap_on_el_pr/mccain_keating

"McCain said his reputation was so tarnished by the Keating case that he compared his ordeal — in some ways — to the torture he suffered as a prisoner of war."

I think learned a valuable lesson during that ordeal...hide your corruption BETTER!

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-07-2008, 07:47 PM
And here I thought my disdain for McCain could not grow any larger. I keep seeing him and his ads and these videos, and I feel like the kid in the movie looking up at Shoeless Joe and saying "Say it ain't so."

It is tough seeing a former hero become such a shmuck.

Malse
10-07-2008, 08:17 PM
Maybe you could take a lesson there about what makes people heroes versus whether or not they were always schmucks.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-07-2008, 08:25 PM
Maybe you could take a lesson there about what makes people heroes versus whether or not they were always schmucks.

Or maybe, as a disabled Nam vet watching the POW's disembarking from the plane and saluting the flag and the commanding officer, I should have (back then) already have been doubting these men, and made assumptions about how they would react to events 30 years later. Fuck you Malse and your extremely limited, short sighted approach to life. (Nothing personal, of course) :rolleyes:

Malse
10-07-2008, 08:36 PM
You seem to have misinterpreted the difference between appreciating what someone did and who someone is. It's pretty common in our all-or-nothing hero worship culture and results in guys like Oliver North being considered stand-up individuals, to reference some other people from back in your day.

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-07-2008, 10:32 PM
You seem to have misinterpreted the difference between appreciating what someone did and who someone is. It's pretty common in our all-or-nothing hero worship culture and results in guys like Oliver North being considered stand-up individuals, to reference some other people from back in your day.

I never extended any sense of honor to Ollie, as a point of info.

I considered McCain a hero for his behavior as a POW, and the character he displayed. He was a brother in arms who gave more for his country than most, and he deserved the honorific, Unfortunately, being human, he proved to be less than perfect, and I along with many others now see him in a much poorer light; BUT, this does not diminish the man that returned from Hanoi, only the man currently running for higher office.

Lleauric
10-08-2008, 06:41 AM
I think the disagreement between you two stems from a failure of the english language.

The word "Hero" is one of the worst we have. It is so inadequate.

We need a word which means "person I have admiration for because of a specific act or ability"

Maybe the Germans or the Greeks have something.

Greystone Thorngage
10-08-2008, 06:59 AM
his spinning of the Keating 5 situation is making me vomit. I am about to start telling people "Oh yeah well McCain lived with communists for 4 years"........think about it, think about it....

Sixee
10-08-2008, 11:21 AM
Or maybe, as a disabled Nam vet watching the POW's disembarking from the plane and saluting the flag and the commanding officer, I should have (back then) already have been doubting these men, and made assumptions about how they would react to events 30 years later.

Or you could start when they are in the womb. Nothing like being proactively cynical, I always say....

Ailwon
10-08-2008, 11:46 AM
The fact is what he suffered through and how he handled himself as a POW showed a strength of character that deserves admiration. How he conducted himself once he got home showed human weakness (cheating on his wife and dumping her and Keating 5). The shame is what he has now morphed into in the dysfunctional shell that has enveloped the GOP...and then to pick someone as inane as Palin as a running mate...geh!

Bylimet Spiritwalker
10-08-2008, 06:35 PM
Last night, he said Obama wanted to spend money, and he said it is terrible that the young are being saddled with ten trillion dollars of debt.....and then he said HIS grand plan was to have the government buy up all the bad mortgages and renegotiate them with the buyers. Ummmm, how much money is he planning on spending on that little project?

And this along with his reversal of position on the Bush tax cuts which he was adamantly opposed to (until he saw potential voters in the equation) is just a small part of what is turning people off to him.

I wonder if any of the GOP folks still have their flip-flops from bashing Kerry; they could sell them to Democrats to bash McCain.