This is totally fair. (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/10/sprj.irq.contracts/index.html)


Why are people even getting upset about this?

Yes, it seems the US is the worst nation in the world until we start putting up cash for contracts.

Bitch and moan about the entire operation/invasion.

Complain that it is wrong then don't support it.

Don't send any troops.

After the major combat operations/offensives are over, Don't even help secure the fucking country.

Don't take any of the casualties.

Then complain when you can't have the reconstruction contracts?

Please.

Pay back is a bitch.

The downside to this, is that it WILL make the Iraqis think that we are taking over/there to stay. Which I sincerely hope is not the case.

As much as i have opposed and disagree'd with the Cheny/Rumsfeld administration.

I have to say I agree completely with this decision.

Though i loathe what i BELIEVE to the be irresponsible and selfish motive's of our presidency, that has led to the loss of life of so many of our children.

I could stomach even less these countries profiting to the billion's on the blood of american soldier's!

"I think it is totally appropriate for U.S. taxpayers' dollars to go to the entities I just mentioned." I think it is totally appropriate for Scott McClellan/Dubya to come kiss my balls for wasting my taxdollars on some 3rd world sandlot.

i just think its funny that we spent so much money blowing that shithole up so now we feel justified and entitled to be paid to rebuild it so some other dictator can run it into the ground again in 10 or 15 years. Well at least Bush's economic stimulus program is on schedule and should see returns on the US lives lost in time for the elections.

anything to get his aproval up :P

this is totally bullshit and shows a lot arrogance ... on the one hand the US is crying for help from the NATO partners since Bush realize that Iraq endaangers the next presidential elections and on the other hand they want to lock out most NATO members out of the buissness , dont tell me this bloody war wasnt about money and hegemony

Hey hartmut. This war wasnt about money and hegemony!

wasn't?
(sorry Gerf, sig test :b )

Everyone gotta agree with US or they get some sort of payback after? Thats pathetic.

It's all fine and dandy that you don't agree.

You don't think it's a tad hypocritical to come running as soon as you can benefit from it, though?

Hi there, Alm. Outside the magical fairy land you live in lies the real world. Over there, the entity with the power dictates the terms at its leisure. Tough concept to grasp, isn't it?

Anyhow, picture a junior hockey team. Some kids sign up, others call them idiots for risking injuries and try to stop them from forming it. The team eventually forms up, wins the local championship, and hosts a pizza party afterward. The kids who wussed out now want some pizza. Tough shit.

It's laughable to suggest that morality was any nation's main reason behind its participation or lack thereof in this war. But to condemn an action as wrong and then try to reap some of its rewards afterward is just sheer hypocrisy.

It's laughable to suggest that morality was any nation's main reason behind its participation or lack thereof in this war.

And thus goes the nation.

I'll take "Quoting out of context" for 500, Alex!

I dont really like talking politics and whats wrong or right, because i know i wont change anything by saying stuff on a message board, so it becomes pointless.

But not agreeing on attacking a country most countries dont have anything against, doesnt mean they have to cut out business contracts. But when you have power i guess you can use it how you want.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

But not agreeing on attacking a country most countries dont have anything against, doesnt mean they have to cut out business contracts

No... in fact, countries cut out business contracts, place embargos on, levy tariffs against and otherwise try to wage econimic war on other countries ALL THE TIME.

Not helping with the war is a handy way to exclude the other countries out of hand.

Maybe Bush lifted the steel tariffs becaue he knew only steel from the US would be used in rebuilding Iraq?

/shrug

Keep in mind, friends, that the only contracts that are being dealt with in this manner are those that are solely funded by the U.S. The subcontracts of these contracts, and contracts funded by international funds or Iraqi funds aren't being restricted.

So, the U.S. spends money on Iraq to rebuild the place and the world is surprised that it won't go to countries that so visciously worked against the war effort?

Precisely.

Who the fuck do these countries think they are?

The US is supposed to give the money we set aside for rebuilding Iraq to countries that opposed pretty much every move we made there? What right do these countries have to tell us how WE can spend OUR money?

The Union of European Socialist Republics might be able to bully countries over there, but it has no power over here comrades.

I agree..

But we are wrong to not let Canada in..
Even if they were against Iraq.. they had our back in Afganistan and freed up lots of US troops there..
And Im tempted to say let Russia in, cause hey.. Bygones.


I hope Poland, Spain and Italy make metric fucktons of cash from this..

I am gonna say this only once more... Anon troll opinions don't count at all on these boards, never have, never will. You gotta take responsibility for your words. Even if the accountability is as small as your eq personality.

I dont really like talking politics and whats wrong or right, because i know i wont change anything by saying stuff on a message board, so it becomes pointless.

Really?

Everyone gotta agree with US or they get some sort of payback after? Thats pathetic.


hmmmm...

I am gonna say this only once more... Anon troll opinions don't count at all on these boards, never have, never will. You gotta take responsibility for your words. Even if the accountability is as small as your eq personality.

yeah and nobody gave a fuck about you or what you thought the first time so keep whining, its entertaining. regardless of what you think, people will continue to have opinions and continue to post them and every time you see them you can pee yourself cuz you don't know them or can't cry to them in game and waste their time. consequences for stating an opinion on a message board? rofl fuck you. omg no consequences for that! yay! stupid bitch.

What I find annoying is the western world's attitude of claiming Iraq as a "prize". It's a mentality shared across the political spectrum of both USA and their arch nemesisesisesis (sic) the euros.

Lots to be done yet in Iraq. If the countrys are throwing a fit over this, step up to the plate and help with troops and financial backing..NOW. Otherwise quit your bitching.

I love this administration too

www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/me...index.html (http://www.cnn.com/2003/WORLD/meast/12/11/sprj.irq.halliburton/index.html)

God bless the French...oops! (http://www9.sbs.com.au/theworldnews/region.php?id=74765&region=3)

Here's a little more fleshed out article, highlighting some more facts about the french proposal.

news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3309885.stm (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/3309885.stm)

The commission's recommendations would outlaw the Jewish kippa, large Christian crosses and the Islamic headscarf, which would be considered overt religious symbols.

"Discreet" medallions and pendants which merely confirm a person's religious faith would be allowed.

Mr Stasi stressed that the commission's work did not target France's Muslim community but was aimed at giving all religions a more equal footing.

The report also recommends that Yom Kippur - the Jewish Day of Atonement - and the Muslim Eid al-Kabir festival be celebrated in state schools.

French public life has a strong secular tradition which has existed since the revolution, but the commission has now recommended that the plan be enshrined in law.

I'm gonna start a religious movement where the wearing of clothes on attractive young women is considered the highest honor among the chosen of Ecips Dlo in the hopes that France bans hot chicks from wearing shirts.

I'm with Zehn!

Though I live in Ontario, Canada, where they made a law stating that women can walk around topless if they so desire.

I haven't witnessed any female taking advantage of this law, however!

Grr!!

This is for you Setsunah. *ducks fast* (http://www.comics.com/comics/getfuzzy/archive/images/getfuzzy2003112198212.gif)

The good bit is now the Greenback is Peach :p

Ahhh, Canada's Monopoly money is rubbing off on our American cousins...

in the hopes that France bans hot chicks from wearing shirts.
So you are moving to France, and that's the best you can do after showing your reading skills? (

It's called satire Anterak. Read 90% of my posts here and you'll have no choice but to be inundated with it.

So you don't move to France? (
(reverse psycho dude!!)

Excuse me.. Forgot to add my name.

Ranei Bard also known as Psydex, formerly of Landslide, and later Vasudeva, also formerly of Landslide.

/cheers

One objection tho blazemas, the definition of a troll on these board is someone that doesn't agree with US policy heh.

As far as I m concerned its US choice to limit the list and they have all the rights to do so. Eventually it ll get back to them in some years for some other problem but shrug, you make choices and you assume them.


Edit: On the school thing issue. Thats perfectly normal and no religious signs should be allowed in school. When public school are laique (sp?) I.E no religions at all and its much better that way ( considering religions are mostly bullshit to control the masses, just have to look at inquisition years in france or islam right now). Not sure what this had to do with the thread tho. You can blame france for whatever you want but certainly not for trying to limit religions.

Yes, schools are separate from religion. They're also separate from Nike, but I'm pretty sure you could go in wearing some Nike sneakers.

That the huge amount of money to be made in the Iraq will be given to US companies was expectable and to some point also ok. Just don't expect any help from anyone else then(like Bush asking the NATO for financial support).

The really ugly fact is that it is not generally US companies getting all the contracts. Have a closer look at which companies we're talking about.

The carlyle group, which Bush worked for as a consultant in 1994. This company was supplied by at least 2 millions by the Bin Laden Family. Bush Jr. was heading a company called CaterAir for several years which was 100% owned by the carlyle group while the Bin Laden family was investing 10 millions in this company aswell.
People that run the Carlyle grup are for example: Frank Carlucci, Reagans defense secretairy, Bush Sr.s secretairy of state, James Baker, former Birhtish Prime MInister John Major. Carlucci, head of the Carlyle Group also happens to be on the board of directors of the Middle East Policy Council along with a representative of the Bin Laden Family Business.

Biggest winner is Hallyburton which got contracts for many Billions on Iraq. Former CEO of the giant oil services company was, Dick Cheney. That's pretty handy because Hallyburton already made business with Saddam Hussein's Iraq years ago and built (and still builds) Oil and Gas Pipelines there. Bush also still holds stockpiles of Hallyburton which he got during his time as govenor of Texas.

Unocal is also a company getting a lot of the cash. Unfortunately I forgot the names of the people in charge and their relation to Bush, the Saudi's and so on. I just remmeber there was somehting aswell. But I don't want to throw in names I am not sure about.

ALmost every company that got contracts for Iraq has ties within then Bush administration. Either Bush personally, or Dick Cheney, or Donal Rumsfeld. Those three are kinda involved in every single company that got a deal.
So after all, the US pays the war, the US gets the money back through oil and contracts and the Bush administraiton make billions in their own pocket.
And you poeple ask yourself why you went to iraq? This is why!

There are no WoMD, there are no terrorists, there are no ties to 9/11 and even freeing the iraqi people as reason would force you guys to invade around 50% of this planet because they live in even worse dictatorships. China, North Corea, Saudi Arabia, Iran, Sudan, Niger, Cote d'Ivorne, Phillipines... start there.

I agree Kein.
It is a foolish policy. To wear religious material is not to create inequalities. There will always be difference of appearance, of character. Eradicating the right to express ones religion will do more harm than good, if the goal is to eradicate discrimination.

Nike isn't a religion dude good god can you guys put up even more stupid arguements? Nike EVENTUALLY could show how rich you are albeit today it doesn't mean anything anymore. Religions are a VERY different thing but honestly the only people that have a say in it are the french, could care less if you think its bad :p

I know it's not a religion you pillock.
What it does, is create division. You've never been in school? Never observed or experienced the discrimination from not wearing cool brands as opposed to wearing slippers with holes in?
Lower and higher schools are a breeding ground for division and inequality. Banning the right and ability to be yourself, to express your religion, during school is not going to fix a bloody thing.

That's what I'm getting at you dolt.

France has to do something about the growing religious tensions between their growing Muslim population and the rest.

This is merely a bandaid fix. I feel they'll have to deal with the real problem err long.

Christopher...

Nice post Taino, kinda like what i think myself.

Impresario Almadar Tegleftyln
Retired

Biggest winner is Hallyburton which got contracts for many Billions on Iraq. Former CEO of the giant oil services company was, Dick Cheney. That's pretty handy because Hallyburton already made business with Saddam Hussein's Iraq years ago and built (and still builds) Oil and Gas Pipelines there. Bush also still holds stockpiles of Hallyburton which he got during his time as govenor of Texas.
First of all, it's Halliburton. With all of your in-depth knowledge of how everything works behind the scenes; one would think you'd know the name of the company. Of course, it's obvious that you're just spouting the same old regurgitated story that you've heard somewhere else.

Cheney isn't with Halliburton anymore. This man (http://www.halliburton.com/about/exec_dave_lesar.jsp) is the boss now. Of course Halliburton is going to be one of the top choices for the oil work... They're the largest and one of the most respected companies in the world in that field. Would you be happier if a half-ass company was sent over there, just because they were the least connectible to a certain political figure?

When I was in high school, I worked at McDonald's. Does that mean I'm a dirty, manipulative bastard for telling people today (10 years later) that McDonald's has good fries; just because it's true? Should I send them to Burger King, just to satisfy some idealistic, naive sense of fairness? Come on. Seriously.

Anyone can be connected to anyone else, given enough effort. If it weren't Halliburton everyone was crying about, it would be another company that Bush's 3rd cousin's sister is a secretary at. Enough already.

Lets get real the only real "contract" winners in this war are the weapons manufactors.

well at least we have you here to represent "a Real Loser"

Lets get real the only real "contract" winners in this war are the weapons manufactors.

Here we go.

Former CEO of the giant oil services company was, Dick Cheney

Read my fucking words before you dare critizising them.
The whole bush administration is still involved in all those companies, holds stocks, is good friends with it and so on. The companies that got all the contracts are not the only companies, nor the biggest or best companies for these jobs. Stop closing your eyes on it.

Oh why even bother.

well at least we have you here to represent "a Real Loser"

/sigh well ok since you ask it so nice,
I will represent you L2 and Marz to.

I have a weak spot for the mentally challanged.

Taino, I was emphasizing that point... If you read the rest of my post, that should be clear; since I addressed what you just re-rehashed. Based on your reply, I'll have to assume you didn't bother to read (or comprehend) the rest of it.

Oh well.

I did read it. THe problem is just , its not lose ties or just some "Bush was in this companies building 20 years ago". NO its very strong and clear ties, much closer ties that should in any way be legal.
BUsh and all his cohorets are directly pushing the money up their own asses, in front of you, the facts are available to everyone but you idiots buy it all, you don't even quesiton, you don't even remotely could imagine that your big bad Georgie boy could not be a hero / saint.

Wake the fuck up!

Long before you sound the morning bell to wake up Taino perhaps you should pull that bulbous head out of your growing ass.

You sir are one misled prick.

Gods, please please please promise me you'll spout this shit in NYC.

I'll be glad to read of the riot ensuing, when bids are taken on your pumpkin ass...

Christopher...

Yes, people generally run around shouting their political views on holiday.

Why should the holidays be any different from the rest of the year..especially to a non-believer such as Taino?

You know... I'm still having a hard time finding where I claimed that Cheney and/or Bush stood to gain nothing from rebuilding Iraq. I also don't see where I called Bush a saint. What are you talking about? You seem to be just trying to stuff words into my mouth, based on your evil American stereotype; without really listening to what I'm saying.

Honestly, if you think that kickbacks and favoritism aren't prevalent in every level of business around the globe, then you are the one that needs to wake up. It's basic human nature. It's not just an evil American thing and it's nothing new, it's how people are.

Maybe the war was wrong, maybe it wasn't. That doesn't change the fact that this policy of limiting contractors to those based in countries that were part of the coalition is fair. If other countries want to donate assistance, I think they should be allowed to, but there's no fucking way that they should benefit in any way from the risks taken by coalition countries to secure the country.

Bush and Cheny are also members of the Illuminati. Shhh...

NEW WORLD ORDER FOR ALL!!!! MERRY CHRISTMAS!

Read my fucking words before you dare critizising them.
The whole bush administration is still involved in all those companies, holds stocks

OK, I will.

1. The stocks of a public officeholder like Bush or Cheney go into a blind trust once they take office. They may or may not still own stock in any of these companies. You don't know their stock holdings, and anyone who says they DO know is not telling the truth. And what, do you think Bush attends board meetings or something?

2. Obviously, you cut and pasted from a website with an agenda. The website wanted to make Bush look bad by talking about the Carlisle group - note that the text does not mention any connection betweent the Carlisle group and Iraq reconstruction. It just tries to make Bush and Carlisle group look bad. By the way, the "Bin Ladin family" is a huge Saudi construction company. They have disowned their son, Osama, and have no connections with him.

3. Unocal. Wow. An oil company got business in Iraq. Well that's just insanely wacky, isn't it?

4. Halliburton. As someone already mentioned, they're the best. Obviously, they'd get a large share of the business. In addition, you're posting from a website without really understanding facts. That's not new. Halliburton is making millions on reconstruction, but as it turns out it's not the billions that everyone said they were making. Keep up with the news.

They have disowned their son, Osama, and have no connections with him.
Oh really!? How do YOU know?
THe only proof we have that Osama got kicked out of his family and connections is because the Bin Ladens told this to us.
I would do the same if I had a son to protect, a brother I love. Would you show the Afghani people where your son is if all they wanted was his death?
And yeah, I would also say that I kicked Osama out of my family business if I had 13 direct family members (wearing the name Bin Laden) in the UNITED STATES during 911.

Instead of fucking arresting the Bin Laden Family to intewrrogate them, they got a private Jet 4 days after 9/11 during the national no fly time to fly out of the states. You know, no american citizen was allowed to fly, no matter how urgent it was. Millions were cut from their families, but the Bin LAdens got a private Jet (sponsored by the Bush Administration) to fly home to Saudi Arabia.

One would think, you would arrest the brother and sister of a man that supposedly just blew the fucking status symbol of the united states. You even get interrogated for hours if your brother commited a simply murder.
But No, if your name is Bin Laden, you get escorted out of the country without questions while american citizens are not allowed to fly back to their families.

Those are the family members of Osama Bin Laden. Brothers and Sisters, not like 3rd grade cousins or so. Those are the people that got caught on a video tape 2 months before 9/11 during a Wedding Celebration, those are the ones that said they abandonned Osdama long time ago.
I'd say that too if my brother was the most hunted person on the planet.

Seems like the Bin Laden investments were sure worth it.

Get some common sense.

Instead of fucking arresting the Bin Laden Family to intewrrogate them, they got a private Jet 4 days after 9/11 during the national no fly time to fly out of the states. You know, no american citizen was allowed to fly, no matter how urgent it was. Millions were cut from their families, but the Bin LAdens got a private Jet (sponsored by the Bush Administration) to fly home to Saudi Arabia.
That was just comedy. Really.

Had we done anything even close to interrogating them, the press would have gone insane (rightfully so). In fact, I'm sure you would have had a part in bashing the hell out of any interrogation of them, given your usual posts. That's a 100% no win situation. It's hardly an exception to the general aftermath policy anyway. Many steps were taken to prevent any serious backlash against our Arab-American population. While we want Osama to die a slow, painful death ASAP, we by no means transfer his guilt to anyone else that just happens to share his same heritage.

So, they were flown out, for their safety... Big deal.

Get some common sense?

Jane you ignorant slut...

Quit believing every AntiAmerican Rhetoric that's cooked up by your magic fish would ya?

We didn't pay to fly his family out, and since many denounced him immediately why would we....

You're fucking so lost in the woods lil boy....sooo lost...

Christopher...

Ahhh and to bring up 9/11

Anyone remember Taino's huge "America got what it deserved" posts late on that very same day?

This is the floundering fool we still know and love.

Oh gods, to be around NYC when he tells New Yorkers they deserved to be bombed that fateful day....

But then again, the child has no convictions, merely empty words...

Christopher...

You'll find that he didn't say that.
Once again, as with all of us who didn't agree with murdering the entire planet to get revenge, we were all labelled as terrorist-lovers who thought the victims got what they deserved.

Like your government, spin has you fooling yourself.

Sorry Halo, but as I haven't been able to dig that far back into NAG I can't prove it.

But, you fucking know full well he said just that. Then he went all emotional trying to get himself out of the corner he had painted himself in.

I always thought it was magnanimous of the Americans on Ayonae Ro to even interact with him after that bullshit of his.

Me, personally....at that time I'd have buried him deep in the Areana and camped his body for hours if need be.

So yes Virginia there is a Santa A'Taino and yes his mouth gets him in trouble time and again...

He just never has the balls to back up what he says. Or even admit guilt...

Christopher...

The companies that got all the contracts are not the only companies, nor the biggest or best companies for these jobs.


Please list the companies that are larger and/or better for those jobs.

I won't even ask you to limit it to the countries who supported what we did in Iraq. You know, the ones this thread is about, the ones US TAX DOLLAR FUNDED CONTRACTS are only being awarded to(resulting in all of the crying like little bitches from the europeanut gallery over our pockets being off limits to them).

'But, you fucking know full well he said just that. Then he went all emotional trying to get himself out of the corner he had painted himself in.'

- No, Fandros. He did not.
Are you actually entertaining the idea he came on the board and said "haha you deserved it, omgosh gooo osama!" ?!?!
What happened, and it happened to most of us. Hell.. I think you accused me of just this in the past, is that we had an alternative view to "NUKE THE MIDDLE EAST!!!" and so were branded as terrorist-lovers and people who thought America deserved it.
Why?
Because none of you could contemplate the alternative to revenge.

If memory serves it was Jedd who said that Fandros not Taino.

The only "alternative" Taino ever brought up was the standard hippie "can't we all just get along" bullshit. No real world solutions. Just the same old pseudo-intellectual crap to boost his ego and make his horse just a bit more shiny.

And I DO recall Taino bitching that we did deserve it.

The amusing thing about it, was him saying that we deserve the death and destruction for fucking up the rest of the world , then going on and on about being some type of humanitarian.

He's a fucking hypocrite and he knows it.

Aye Jedd stated it as well as Taino.

Difference was, Jedd owned up to it...

Christopher...

I have a very good memory of what occured.
And you are both lying through your anal passage.

"Honest, it's not me that's insane, it's everyone else!!!"

Christopher...


Oh and for the record dumbass. I never lie or cheat...

Anyone remember Taino's huge "America got what it deserved" posts late on that very same day?
Link please.
Quote please.

Noone on this planet, absolutely noone deserves dying on a terrorist attack. Noone on this planet deserves to be murdered. I am strictly against death penalty and violence in general.
WHat I may have said was that there are reasons for this attack and that the "american way" of abusing the rest of the world for its own good was a major reason for it. But noone ever deserves to die a violent death.
This doesn't mean I'd not shoot you if you'd be raping my wife or something. I guess you get the picture.

Now, quote me please where I even remotely said what you claimed I had.

'Oh and for the record dumbass. I never lie or cheat... '

- Neither do I, as the president of America.

DONT USE LOGIC TAINO! THEY'LL USE IT AGAINST YOU!!!
*runs off screaming*

DONT USE LOGIC TAINO! THEY'LL USE IT AGAINST YOU!!!






Jesus finally. How many fucking years has it been and you just now are getting it. I think i'm starting to almost think you do have a brain.

You think you're almost starting to think?

I'm fucking proud of you.

I *think* what was said in that thread was that
"Americans need to reflect on what actions they have done that contributed to this happening"

that set it all off....

it was the wrong this to say at the wrong time.

now, it may be a question we can ask. But then, it was really inappropriate and the genesis of 80% of the hate on this board.

hehe. Got me that time. Heh. I've been up too long. Was funny now that I re-read it. Oh, well. Good night and remember America loves YOU even if you don't love it.

NEWS FLASH!

Top world leaders have ties to major economic powers!

HAHAHAHAH!


Ibudin

The stocks of a public officeholder like Bush or Cheney go into a blind trust once they take office. They may or may not still own stock in any of these companies. You don't know their stock holdings, and anyone who says they DO know is not telling the truth.

Hmmm explain this one pls.
What do you mean with blind trust?
Do you mean that theire stocks are placed in a trust and noone not even Busch and Chaney know what stocks are in there?
Are the stocks "locked" so they can't sell them?
Do they still have control of these stocks?
Who is monitoring these "blind" trusts?
Whats the deal here?


Halliburton. As someone already mentioned, they're the best.

Not true, Shell/Britisch oil are generally considdered the best.
Halliburton is the largest, mainly because the US government gives them so many contracts.
But I don't expect any Americans to agree with me on this, because Halliburton is American and Shell/Britisch oil isn't.

The whole bush administration is still involved in all those companies, holds stocks, is good friends with it and so on.

Just one of the perks of being or knowing the president of the most powerful nation in the world,I dont see whats wrong with it.

That's the funny thing.
Your president is wasting an absolutely hilarious incredible amount of money on wars and weapons, more money then the whole world besides you does it, and then he uses those wars to fill up his pockets, his and his friends pockets.
Its so clear that a huge (in my opinion the biggest) reason for those wars is exactly this, filling up his and his friends pockets.
Your boys die down there and everywhere and Bush is filling up his pockets.

Its public, you know it, and you don't give a shit!
I don't know whether I should cry at the utter stupidity and ignorance of you guys or whether you simply don't realize it.

Don't you see the connection?
Bush wants war, he lies to you, he uses wrong rasons, lies, he gets corrected and its public that he lied, he insists in the war, he makes war, your boys die, you risk even many more terrorist atacks, you create new terror, Bush and Cohorts make money, they want more war ("The War on Terror will not be over soon"), they will make more war, more war makes them more money. More of your boys die, you create more terrorists, you are more in fear because the threat is getting real at one point. Bush makes more money, Bush uses more lies to justify actions.
Hello??????????? Don't you see the cristal clear pattern!?
Holy christ people!

In short terms, Bush is wasting your whole nations money, sending your troops in death (well, some of em anyways), starts wars, creates more fear and more agression, more danger and all with the goal of making new money and having more power. And you people could be slapped with it in the face and still wouldn't realize it.

Taino, your logic is flawed.

Correlation != Causation.

You assert that, "America went to war, and people close to senior administration made money, therefore, we went to war so that people close to the senior administration would make money."

Correlation != Causation.

In other news, I went to work today, and the sun rose in the east. I went to work yesterday and the sun also rose in the east. Draw your own conclusions on that...

Correlation != Causation.

"[The US is] nothing but...killing people, bringing misery and lies all over the planet..." - Taino 2003

Look. No one's listening to you. I've already shown you to be wrong on the "money in his pocket" thing.

Here's the thing about America. If we disagree with him, we'll do something about it. It's how this country works.

You sit over there and vote (I assume you vote, I'm not up on your political system) for isolationists.

We'll sit over here and vote for whomever we think appropriate.

Your president is wasting an absolutely hilarious incredible amount of money on wars and weapons, more money then the whole world besides you does it

You act like its your tax dollars and have a say in how we spend it. We can do this to make a more secure and confident economy that can sustain such spending. That's what you socialists don't understand because your economies could never do it.

and then he uses those wars to fill up his pockets, his and his friends pockets.

Not only is this pure speculation but let's also ignore the huge amount of payoffs and weapon sales done by France, Germany, and Russia so Saddam could enforce his tyrancy.

Again, it's our tax dollars that is allowing the Halliburtons and other "big oil" US companies to profit from these contracts. I kinda like seeing our men and women with additional job opportunities in our growing economy. The other SIXTY countries contributing to the rebuilding and security of Iraq are also benefiting from the additional US dollars and international aid.

I don't know whether I should cry

Could you mpg it and post it somewhere please? I'd like that.

he lies to you

I don't know what lies you're talking about. I assume you're talking about the uranium purchases from Niger / Africa that he had in the SoTU address. The only reason it was inappropriate to use was because it could only be confirmed by one source, not the normal two that should have been used. Oh btw, MI6 still stands behind their assessment of the Niger uranium deals. If that's the case, then it's only a weak connection, not a lie. Weren't the forged documents done by the French ? hmmm.

he makes war, your boys die, you risk even many more terrorist atacks, you create new terror, Bush and Cohorts make money, they want more war ("The War on Terror will not be over soon") , they will make more war, more war makes them more money. More of your boys die, you create more terrorists, you are more in fear because the threat is getting real at one point. Bush makes more money, Bush uses more lies to justify actions.


This is utterly the biggest whine I've read so far. Basically you want us to bend over and take it up the ass and hope we can all just get along. Sorry dude, I'm not one of your sheep.

'I don't know what lies you're talking about'

- HAHAHAHAHAHAH.

Oh, oh... HAHAHAHA.

Oh, oh... HAHAHAHA.

Well....? Give me some proof. Humor me. Too much for you to be troubled by the real world?

One word.
Weapons of Mass Destruction.

Hey, guess that was 4.
Oh well. It'll do.

Mass Graves (http://hrw.org/photos/2003/iraq/)

The only WMD that matters to me is the one we pulled out of a rat infested shit hole last Saturday. Saddam WAS a living Weapon of Mass Destruction, killed 300,000 to a million people.

But seriously, the UN even agreed he had chemical and possibly biological WMDs .. are you saying he didn't?

In other news, I went to work today, and the sun rose in the east. I went to work yesterday and the sun also rose in the east. Draw your own conclusions on that...



SWEET! I always wondered what made the sun do that!

'But seriously, the UN even agreed he had chemical and possibly biological WMDs .. are you saying he didn't? '

- Depends on what time round you are talking about. This time round? No. What with there NOT BEING ANY OR ANYTHING.
Unless.. perhaps the fairies packed them up when the invaders came to town? And whisked them away and hid them in Peter Pan's treehouse.
OR!
Or maybe they are invisible? And there's a little switch - which also happens to be invisible - in Saddam's old rat hole that makes them become visible if he wants.

DAMNIT! All this time we've been taking the wrong approach! NOOOO! *drops to the ground*

That's the funny thing.
Your president is wasting an absolutely hilarious incredible amount of money on wars and weapons, more money then the whole world besides you does it, and then he uses those wars to fill up his pockets, his and his friends pockets.



You think THATS funny?

You sit here and ramble and ramble about how i should care,and no matter how many times I tell you that I do not,you keep telling me I should.THATS funny.

I'm an American.I have complete faith in my government.

Sure they may torture a few people and blow up a few things to get re-elected,but in the end it all works out.

'Sure they may torture a few people and blow up a few things to get re-elected,but in the end it all works out.'

- *bangs head against the table*
They just keep coming.

for the 100 year aniversary of WWII i wonder who we should nuke

The evil Dutch

for the 100 year aniversary of WWII i wonder who we should nuke

Do not underestimate the value of darts, World Maps, and a 5th of Jack.

does this include a bowl of pretzels and a bar scene?

Id buy that for a dollar!