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Thormir
12-20-2005, 12:19 PM
A little Christmas gift (http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20051220/ap_on_re_us/evolution_debate) to good education and science. Some enjoyable snippets:
"The citizens of the Dover area were poorly served by the members of the Board who voted for the ID Policy," Jones wrote. "It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy."
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Jones said advocates of intelligent design "have bona fide and deeply held beliefs which drive their scholarly endeavors" and that he didn't believe the concept shouldn't be studied and discussed.

"Our conclusion today is that it is unconstitutional to teach ID as an alternative to evolution in a public school science classroom," he wrote.
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Although Defendants attempt to persuade this Court that each Board member who voted for the biology curriculum change did so for the secular purposed of improving science education and to exercise critical thinking skills, their contentions are simply irreconcilable with the record evidence. Their asserted purposes are a sham, and they are accordingly unavailing, for the reasons that follow.

We initially note that the Supreme Court has instructed that while courts are “normally deferential to a State’s articulation of a secular purpose, it is required that the statement of such purpose be sincere and not a sham.” Edwards, 482 U.S. at 586-87 (citing Wallace, 472 U.S. at 64)(Powell, J., concurring); id. at 75 (O’Connor, J., concurring in judgment). Although as noted Defendants have consistently asserted that the ID Policy was enacted for the secular purposes of improving science education and encouraging students to exercise critical thinking skills, the Board took none of the steps that school officials would take if these stated goals had truly been their objective. The Board consulted no scientific materials. The Board contacted no scientists or scientific organizations. The Board failed to consider the views of the District’s science teachers. The Board relied solely on legal advice from two organizations with demonstrably religious, cultural, and legal missions, the Discovery Institute and the TMLC. Moreover, Defendants’ asserted secular purpose of improving science education is belied by the fact that most if not all of the Board members who voted in favor of the biology curriculum change conceded that they still do not know, nor have they ever known, precisely what ID is. To assert a secular purpose against this backdrop is ludicrous.
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Those who disagree with our holding will likely mark it as the product of an activist judge. If so, they will have erred as this is manifestly not an activist Court. Rather, this case came to us as the result of the activism of an ill-informed faction on a school board, aided by a national public interest law firm eager to find constitutional test case on ID, who in combination drove the Board to adopt an imprudent and ultimately unconstitutional policy. The breathtaking inanity of the Board's decision is evident when considered against the factual backdrop which has now been fully revealed through this trial. The students, parents, and teachers of the Dover Area School District deserved better than to be dragged into this legal maelstrom, with its resulting utter waste of monetary and personal resources.
A broad and insightful ruling that is sure to prompt a new "War on ______" declaration from the fringe.

Malse
12-20-2005, 12:28 PM
Can I get a Thank God?

Rover
12-20-2005, 12:40 PM
Soon we will be smited in PA.

fildien
12-20-2005, 12:56 PM
I'm sure glad I moved to Red Lion it's not as close to Dover as I used to be (10 miles haha), I'm within smiting distance!

And woot!

On a side note, one of those ousted school boards members is trying to get a re-vote b/c the vote count was very close. The others are gone :)

Esbat
12-20-2005, 05:04 PM
A PDF of the case can be found here: http://www2.ncseweb.org/kvd/main_docs/kitzmiller_342.pdf

Culled from Ars Technica (where I saw this earlier today):


Judge Jones's ruling is remarkably contemptuous towards the board, noting that "In fact, one unfortunate theme in this case is the striking ignorance concerning the concept of ID amongst Board members." He also recognized that they had intentionally attempted to mislead the court: "It is ironic that several of these individuals, who so staunchly and proudly touted their religious convictions in public, would time and again lie to cover their tracks and disguise the real purpose behind the ID Policy." This deceit worked against them, as Jones indicated: Defendants' previously referenced flagrant and insulting falsehoods to the Court provide sufficient and compelling evidence for us to deduce that any allegedly secular purposes that have been offered in support of the ID Policy are equally insincere.

flashcube
12-20-2005, 07:16 PM
Very exciting stuff. I was really hoping for the Creation/ID/Evolution/Flying Spaghetti Monster Religion and Myth class... maybe the University of Kansas could reoffer the course and invite the school board to attend? :)

Kelraz Bladesinger
12-20-2005, 08:53 PM
Honestly, I buy into Intelligent Design. However, just like the religious mythos of Moses and Jesus don't belong in history class (though discussed indepth in class for their historical signifigance, just not their god given powers) -- this doesn't belong in biology. Once there is scientific facts behind intelligent design, then maybe.

lokase
12-21-2005, 10:25 AM
I talked to God late last night at Chuck-e-Cheese...

He told me that all the laws in the Universe were set within the singularity that grew into the the big bang and eventually grew into the Universe we see today.

Those initial laws have molded matter and life over billions of years to what you see toady, some are highly complex and some are not.

O wait, that statement is incredibly false, Chuck-e-Cheese isn't open late on Tuesday nights...

Cheers,

fildien
12-21-2005, 10:39 AM
Lok,

When did they get Chuck-e-Cheeses up there? :p

And careful canuckland will be smitted next!

lokase
12-21-2005, 10:45 AM
Smite all you want you pasty Wizard!

We will throw hockey pucks, beavers and back bacon at you until you submit ;)

Cheers,

Lokase

fildien
01-04-2006, 01:18 PM
Now it's really over.

http://www.wgal.com/education/5837506/detail.html


The new school board voted Tuesday night to remove intelligent design from the biology curriculum.

Rybit
01-04-2006, 04:26 PM
In June 2005, Bobby Henderson submitted an open letter to the Kansas Board of Education in response to their decision on giving intelligent design equal time with evolution by natural selection in biology classes. He demanded that Flying Spaghetti Monsterism also be given equal time in classrooms, along with the other, more traditional religious creator.
-Wikipedia-

Pastafarians unite! The Flying Spaghetti Monster has come to me in a dream and commanded that I spread the gospel. Feel the touch of his noodly appendage!! http://www.venganza.org (http://www.venganza.org/)

Thormir
01-04-2006, 04:53 PM
Time to start smearing (http://www.townhall.com/opinion/columns/phyllisschlafly/2006/01/02/180785.html) the judge!

Bylimet Spiritwalker
01-04-2006, 07:09 PM
I believe the dear lady Thor linked to made the rest of her treatise irrelevant following her opening remark in the first paragraph that the judge "owed" his position, and had "stuck a knife in the back of those that brought him to the dance".

Apparently, in that state you are elected to a judge position in order to do as certain voters want, rather than anything as silly as interpreting and upholding the law.