There is no official name yet, but that is the safe bet for the name.
No CDMA or Tmobile this year. Apple confirmed 5 year through 2012 agreement.
The rumors that it's "Officially Released in June" due to blackout dates for vacation and what not, is FALSE. At this point there is no blackout for vacations in June OR July.
I will keep you all informed. Feel free to post answers and I will get you the best reply I can.

My predictions:


8 Gig will disappear.
16gig 3GS will go to $99
32gig 3GS will be discontinued
32gig HD will be $200
64gig HD will be $300
The form factor on all the blogs is accurate.
The new ones will have white or black, but the front will also be white or black.
Tethering will still not be an option yet.
4.0 Software will barely change things on 2G or 3G, and will be meh on 3GS, to encourage people to update to HD.
AT&T will renegotiate and increase Apples

Honestly, I don't understand why anyone would get an Apple phone over a Google phone or some of the other alternatives on the horizon. Adobe's feud alone would be enough to keep me away from another Apple product. One of my clients just bought an Ipad, its wonderful besides the fact that it can't browse 50% of the websites in the world because it can't have Flash or Silver light or whatever.

I rarely miss flash.

The reason people get the iPhone is because the system integration is fantastic. You can get a droid phone that covers a bunch of the bases, but not all of them, and it passes the grandma factor. My mom can use the iPhone effectively. Maybe that's psychology about not being intimidated versus successful design, but whatever the case it works for a lot of people.

The iphone 3GS is also really fast at nearly everything, which makes it hard to switch to nominally more featureful stuff that takes 15 seconds to load an app.

its wonderful besides the fact that it can't browse 50% of the websites in the world because it can't have Flash or Silver light or whatever.

Do you really believe that 50% of websites are unusable without Flash? 95% of the most annoying advertising, maybe, but lacking Flash has almost 0 impact on normal browsing (other than making it faster, of course).

Do you really believe that 50% of websites are unusable without Flash? 95% of the most annoying advertising, maybe, but lacking Flash has almost 0 impact on normal browsing (other than making it faster, of course).

I'm fairly confident you and I (and probably you and the average user) have dramatically different web habits. The WoW Armory app for one is something that wouldn't be necessary (and thus created such a huge market) because you can't have Flash on the iPhone. Farmville, Pogo, etc. same deal. Plus video and live streams are generally flash. My client, for instance, bought it hoping to be able to show our collective clients the shows we've worked on. Daily Show's website won't play anything on it, nor will America's Most Wanted or a few other.

But there are plenty of other reasons aside from Flash, of course. Keyboards for people who don't have the fingers of 12 year old girls, integrated compass, multitasking, copy / paste, and the easy & offline integration with all things Google, etc etc. Never mind the other network options.

It's not at all about Apple vs. Adobe. The move to HTML5 and browser-native apps/video is much larger than that and has been brewing for quite awhile now. The recent controversy just happens to be the first most people have heard about where things are headed (which is odd since the iPhone never supported Flash; it's hardly a new issue).

Video locked inside Flash is nearing an end anyway. Even in a full browser, you won't be using Flash to view commodity video for much longer. For over a year now, every Internet-connected device I own has taken advantage of HTML5 native video where available, and an awful lot of sites already support that (http://www.apple.com/ipad/ready-for-ipad/).

Heck, even the IE9 preview supports HTML5 video. IE.

Google isn't truly getting in bed with that Flash dinosaur either; it's just a short-term marketing push to help with their lame uptake so far (http://getclicky.com/marketshare/global/web-browsers/mobile/). YouTube was one of the first video sites to support HTML5 video. Google just open sourced the VP8 codec too, which is specifically aimed at standardizing HTML5 video (due to Mozilla having an RMS moment lately). Assuming IE9 picks up support for VP8, which they probably will, every major browser has already committed to supporting it in their next releases. That's fairly huge in terms of killing off Flash video for good.

They clearly get it, long-term. They're just hoping to steal a few customers with that fake controversy, while they can.

The thing about Google is that they make nice toys for nerds, but really aren't very good at designing for a broad consumer market. That matters a lot when marketshare determines who gets native apps first (or ever). AT&T Wireless mostly blows in every way possible, but even I wouldn't sacrifice my iPhone just to get away from the carrier.

Of those other things you listed, the keyboard and carrier options are the only things iPhone 4/HD doesn't have. Of that, multitasking is the only thing that even the 3GS hasn't had already. Not sure where you're getting that.

The thing about Google is that they make nice toys for nerds, but really aren't very good at designing for a broad consumer market.

Though, I will say that Chrome has a lot of potential. It might be their best product, post-search.

I'm stuck with Sprint, so I'm looking to pick up the new HTC Evo 4G when it drops in early June.

LAN parties on the go!

I've learned a thing about Apple products. Either people like their philosophy or hate them, and then there are some who are indifferent. So I've stopped trying to convert people over and let people decide for themselves what products they like.

I can say that I appreciate that Apple enforces consistent user experience (OS X apps/iPhone apps share similar UI elements, OS standards, menubar on OS X apps). Apple hardware are generally solid, if not a bit pricier. But the MacBook Pro I've owned since 2008 has effectively become my desktop replacement.

I have probably spent 10x more on Apple products than anyone else on these forums, and I'm budgeting to spend another $20,000 in the next year or so. I've got a MacPro sitting right next to me and a few more at the office. That has nothing to do with the Android being superior to the iPhone.

Greystone,

Rumor sites have found that OS 4.0 supports AT&T tethering. The menu and screens for AT&T are present in the OS 4.0 beta. I'm in the Developer program and have access to a functional beta, but I won't say anything about my personal experiences as I'm bound to an Apple non-disclosure agreement ;)

I have probably spent 10x more on Apple products than anyone else on these forums, and I'm budgeting to spend another $20,000 in the next year or so. I've got a MacPro sitting right next to me and a few more at the office. That has nothing to do with the Android being superior to the iPhone.

Are you directing the reply to me? Because I wasn't disagreeing with you. I'm only stating that Apple's philosophy is different with the iPhone, and as you need Flash, the iPhone isn't suitable for you.

As an iphone user for almost 2yrs I could give a rats ass about Flash. I'll never use another phone even when I hate AT&T I love my iphone. I am damn excited about the new phone. I love Apple products and I love my ipad, nothing else even comes close to functionality like I've seen with the iphone or the ipad. We have doctors using both iphones and ipads to access patient medical records through our clinical info sys. No other phone we've tried even compares.

It better come this summer though!

I have a slightly different view. Yes, I know this is a iPhone thread where iPhone owners can pat themselves on the back and say "Huzzah! etc but what is a discussion board without some discussion. I recently finally took the smartphone plunge and bought a Samsung Omnia i900. Prime motivating factor was that I find myself sending quite a few text messages etc and I was tired of stabbing at tiny buttons. Plus the other smartphone features are undeniable handy, especially in a country where you don't know the lay of the land or the language and it takes anyone's SIM card. I did the research and it seemed like a good buy. I could have gone iPhone if I wanted to drop 1000 USD to get a factory unlocked model from Hong Kong but for me 230 dollars was a bit more my style. When a telephone costs more than a laptop I have to say no, even if people can make a sound argument that an iPhone is no mere phone. That its better than a laptop etc etc blah blah because it has gps, a camera, makes coffee wipes your ass for you and so on. That's all great but for me it was ultimately price and if I can get the damn thing to work with China Unicom's version of 3G mobile Broadband.

Apple does have some good stuff, but I am not convinced you get what you pay for. Plus its all way too proprietary for my tastes as I move around too much to be not able to tweak and tune things to my needs at the time. Thus, if Apple releases something, I tend to not be interested because they tend to trade "trendy and slick" for utility too often. IMHO, I think they are too busy with image and turning their gadgets into a fashion accessory half the time. Heck even if I owned a bunch of their stock and could afford to buy whatever I wanted, I would still stick to PC based stuff.

$1,000 is rough. I probably wouldn't buy one for that much either. You can get an unlocked iPhone here for about $500 if you try.

It's interesting how we unconsciously assume an inverse relationship between polish and utility. I was the same way when I first got both my iPhone and my iPad, assuming they were delicate since they came in fancy packaging and looked pretty, but you learn that they're actually very solid devices. Heck, the pad even handles a cat's claws:

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I just bought the Nexus one for my wife and I and I love it. The flexibility and just the ability to be the first on Google's mind when it comes to updates. Although I had to buy it straight out(AT&T user) I love it and its functionality.

Speaking of cool ipad videos, this is one of my favorites.
http://www.geeky-gadgets.com/ipad-plus-velcro-video-27-05-201/

Yes, I know this is a iPhone thread where iPhone owners can pat themselves on the back and say "Huzzah! etc but what is a discussion board without some discussion.

Actually it was a thread about me telling you guys about the new iPhone info since i work for the company that sells them and every year about this time i get Pm's and emails about them, but okay.

Rumor sites have found that OS 4.0 supports AT&T tethering.

We saw some screen shots for our backend system that had a tethering tab, but there is nothing official, but I would say it is highly likely.

To add, June 10th is the time when they will 99.999999% announce the new iphone.

Actually it was a thread about me telling you guys about the new iPhone info since i work for the company that sells them and every year about this time i get Pm's and emails about them, but okay.


You can't mention Apple without people hating Apple for being Apple.

I love my HTC incredible. The Verizon 3g Network is so much larger than AT&Ts 3g network. I have an ipod touch(which might as well be an iphone without the phone), and learning to use the incredible was simple. The availability of a 3G network virtually everywhere we drove for vacation (with the exception of Morgantown, WV when we were passing through), was great. Being on Sanibel Island with a 3G connection was great, and not available to the people I spoke too on the island with Iphones.

15 seconds to load up apps? are you kidding? The Incredible lives up to it's name. The only thing I had an issue with so far was a wav encoding issue to play my voice mails. Though through reading, it was intially an issue with this particular codec when the iphone was new. I was able to fix the issue with a $2.99 app, so that's not even an issue anymore.

I gotta say the 8 megapixel camera and integrated video camera were great to have on vacation too.

15 seconds to load apps? I don't know where you're getting that from I've never had that issue on live/prod apps. Now the few I'm a beta tester for sure, but that's b/c the app is in development.

Nor have I suffered not having 3G where ever I go, even in podunk mtn. towns I get my 3G. I'm sure it's not everywhere but then I'm sure there are places you can't get Verizon's signal either....like my house which is what prompted me to switch to AT&T to begin with. So honestly, it's a choice.... a choice in what you want and how you use it. Kudos to those of you that use something else. I personally couldn't see me using another cellphone besides the iphone ever again. But, that's just me.

AT&T ending their unlimited data plan and charging on a per-gig basis is yet another reason to shy away from their Iphones. Of course most phone users won't ever hit the 2+ gig limit now, but once you add tethering and faster phone connections (and thus transferring more data) that is a pretty low ceiling.

AT&T ending their unlimited data plan and charging on a per-gig basis is yet another reason to shy away from their Iphones.
Where'd this come from? Did I miss this somewhere?

They're changing it on Monday. $25 for 2gb/mo, with overage billed at $10/gb. Existing "unlimited" plans at $30/mo are grandfathered in, even on contract renewals.

I think that's actually a good change. "Unlimited" is psychologically nice and it's hard to want to let go of the perceived abundance, but it screws up incentives all the way around and ultimately holds us back.

Before, AT&T only had incentive to keep things working just well enough to keep people from canceling. Now they have incentive to make sure the data's flowing as freely as possible.

I take issue with poor use of online resources in general. It's not that people are too stupid to figure out that attaching a 50mb WMV is wasteful, it's that they have no incentive to learn. If bandwidth metering forces people start learning to gauge what is and isn't efficient use of resources, great.

Also, doesn't the current "unlimited" plan actually have a 5gb cap? So basically, that "unlimited" plan is still available; it's just $55 now instead of $30.

Either way, if you don't want a carrier with a data cap, good luck:

http://news.cnet.com/8301-17938_105-9845663-1.html

http://www.fiercewireless.com/story/verizon-clarifies-limit-on-unlimited-data-plan/2007-04-04#axzz0pk8q59FS

The current plan has no cap as I can attest to it. The laptop cards have a cap but not the smartphones.

There was a big deal about capping traffic on land lines too, but that went away as average bandwidth increased. Wireless spectrum fundamentally changes the shared-resource scarcity question but I can't imagine they can keep a meaningful cap on people in the long run, I suspect that as carrier services equalize you'll start seeing the caps raise again back past the point of realistic usage (where they generally are now).

Given what shitheads the phone companies are anyway though, they need to be careful about alienating their customers even more with additional nickel-and-diming.


The current plan has no cap as I can attest to it. The laptop cards have a cap but not the smartphones.



There is a "cap" on the AT&T contracts at least from 2008, it's just hugely high; I think it's mostly there for people who covertly tethered their phones and ran bittorrents over them, etc.



Of course most phone users won't ever hit the 2+ gig limit now, b

I don't know, I've used 3 GB in the last few weeks, without really trying.

I like the new tiered pricing, as is right now, my wife uses a ton of the features on her WinMo phone, but doesn't access the internet that much except for googling an address or downloading the odd ring-tone, so this new $15/Month for $200MB would save me $15/month on her phone. But with mine, I use the shit out of it so It's better for me to use the unlimited one I'm already on. Even then I'll prolly jump down to the cheaper $25 for 2GB since I rarely if ever use that much.

Couple things, sorry I been on vacation and found out most through CNN and then a conference call at work.

*Anyone with the unlimited wont be forced to change unless you change phones, even to a new iphone.

*the 2GB cap very very rarely do people hit it, we actually pulled up 100 accounts with ihpones and only 1 went over the 2GB and even then it was like 2.6 GB.

*I use my iphone pretty regularly and i do 1.7 gigs.

*Smartphones do not have the 5GB cap that aircards do.

*The overage charges is MUCH improved over before and they will inform you when you get close and when you go over so it wont be a surprise.

*Also dont think it has been released openly, but Asurion the main phone insurance company in the country for the big companies is covering ihpones for $12.99 a month starting July 1st IIRC.


My overall opinion this is a good thing for customers. Most customers don't use over 200mb, they dont use the iphone as a data device like most of us on the forums who are tech savvy. Also if you go over it's not going to be in the 100's of dollars of overage like it used to be.

From a salemen/commission point of view damnit this sucks!!!!

Thanks for the info Grey, please keep it coming :)

but I do have one question.... If I get a new iphone when the new model is released will I have to change to this plan or am I still grandfathered into the current plan?

Also, concerning ipads. If I've already activated 3g unlimited once on my ipad will I still be under the current rates or will it change next time I activate or use minutes?

I will have to get back to you but I think you will be grandfathered on both situations. I will get specifics and let you know

You can definitely keep your $30 unlimited plan when you upgrade to a newer iPhone. That's been in all the news about it.

Is it sad the only thing i want an ipad for is to turn it into the ultimate home automation/theater remote and the fact it has google and wiki on it to settle tv/gaming arguements?

Yeah, just got back to work. ONce you have the unlimited plan you are good to go, you dont have to get rid of it, BUT for any reason if you go off of it, say from iphone to android no more unlimited.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/pda/2010/jun/07/apple-iphone - quick gude

http://live.gizmodo.com/ - live blog
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/06/06/wwdc-2010-live-streaming_n_602412.html - live blog

Important about tethering!

If you have $30 unlimited data plan and as of today want to get tethering (looks like its confirmed iphone will do it), you HAVE to switch to the $25 2GB plan + $20 for tethering, there is no add-on tethering to the $30 Unlimited Plan.

laaaaaaaame!

Iphone to android you lose unlimited? But going from unlimited Smartphone (winmo) to android doesnt require switching from unlimited?

Most recent is on top so start at bottom.

11:03 am Low light video also looks good.
11:02 am Macro video shots look amazing.
11:02 am Looks professionally done.
11:02 am Now showing movie recorded, edited, and rendered entirely on the phone.
11:02 am Can export to 360p, 520p, and 720p.
11:01 am Can easily switch themes, some use geolocation data to show where you are on a map.
11:01 am Just made a completed movie in only a few minutes.
11:01 am Music cam be added, comes with a few tracks but any music from iPod library can be used.
11:01 am Camera records geolocation in to video.
11:00 am Themes even look vaguely familiar.
11:00 am Again, works just like desktop iMovie on small screen.
11:00 am Showing titles and transitions now.
11:00 am Everything in the iMovie UI has awesome animations. Photos added automatically are Ken Burns effected.
10:59 am Pinching changes scale of timeline.
10:59 am Can record directly in to timeline or choose from clips and photos on device.

10:59 am Showing how iMovie works, workflow seems very similar to desktop iMovie on a small screen.
10:58 am 15 years ago he was working on Final Cut Pro, this year he's working on iMovie for iPhone. Edit with themes, transitions, and titles.
10:58 am Randy Ubillos, Chief Architect of Video Applications on stage.
10:57 am iMovie for iPhone!
10:57 am "It's pretty remarkable, but we're going even further than that."
10:57 am Record, edit, and share HD video right on your phone.
10:57 am LED flash can stay on during video recording.
10:57 am One-click sharing.
10:56 am Tap to focus video with built-in video editing.
10:56 am 720p at 30fps.
10:56 am Camera records HD video!
10:56 am "But that's not all."
10:55 am Quality is incredible.
10:55 am Showing photos taken with camera, look remarkable.
10:55 am 5x digital zoom in camera app and tap to focus with LED flash.
10:55 am 1.75 micron pixel size in sensor.
10:54 am Backside illuminated sensor.
10:54 am 5 megapixel camera.
10:54 am More concerned with better photos than megapixel statistics.
10:53 am Feature 5- New camera system.
10:53 am Steve can't wait to see what developers do with it.
10:53 am Gyro joins 4 other sensors, accelerometer, compass, proximity and ambient light sensors.
10:52 am Jenga tower falls, audience claps.
10:52 am Steve about to lose at Jenga game demo.
10:52 am Rotation of 3D objects is unbelievably smooth.
10:52 am ZenBound will be amazing with this.
10:51 am Extremely impressive demo, audience going crazy.
10:51 am With Gyro enabled rotation is insanely better.
10:51 am Shows Jenga-looking game with accelerometers not moving when he rotates with gravity.
10:51 am Doing demo, makes joke about how it won't require a network.
10:50 am New CoreMotion API's for extremely precise location.
10:50 am Gyro + accelerometer = 6 axis motion sensing.
10:50 am 3 axis gyro for pitch roll and yaw.
10:50 am iPhone 4 has a Gyroscope.
10:49 am Feature 4-
10:49 am Dual mics, 802.11n.
10:49 am Capable of 7.2mbit down 5.8mbit up once carriers support that speed.
10:49 am 32GB of storage, quadband HSDPA/HSUPA
10:49 am IPhone 4 environmental report card being showed, is highly recyclable and has nothing nasty in it.
10:48 am Bigger battery plus A4 processor, 40% more talk time. 7 hours talk time. 6 hours of 3G browsing, 10 hours of WiFi browsing, 10 hours of video. 40 hours of music. 300 hours of standby.
10:48 am Biggest component in iPhone is battery.
10:47 am A4 chip in iPhone is incredibly small.
10:47 am Designed by Apple's own team, "wonderful to have in an iPhone."
10:47 am iPhone 4 powered by Apple A4 chip.
10:47 am Feature 3-
10:46 am Steve thinks this will set the standard for the next 7 years.
10:46 am With higher resolution artwork, apps/games on Retina Display "look stunning."
10:46 am Without developers doing any work.
10:45 am iPhone OS 4 - Apps automatically run full size but look even better because iPhone OS automatically renders text and controls in higher resolution.
10:45 am Retina Display has 78% of the pixels of an iPad right in the palm of your hand.
10:45 am "You can't make an OLED display with this kind of resolution right now."
10:44 am 326 ppi. 800:1 contrast ratio also 4x better than 3GS. Uses IPS technology for superb color and wide viewing angle.
10:44 am 3.5" display, same size, 960x640.
10:44 am Steve concludes demo.
10:44 am Someone shouts, "Try Verizon."
10:43 am Asks Scott for any suggestions.
10:43 am Steve apologizing again.
10:43 am iPhone 4 slowly barely loads NY Times.
10:43 am Difference is fairly amazing.
10:42 am Steve goes back to showing photos.
10:42 am iPhone 4 now on AT&T, all kinds of error messages about not being connected to the internet popping up on iPhone 4.
10:41 am Switching to backups.
10:41 am NY Times still not loading on iPhone 4.
10:41 am Steve asks everyone to get off WiFi to help him out, audience laughs.
10:41 am Loading slowly, "networks in here always unpredictable."
10:40 am Loading up NY Times next.
10:40 am Zoomed in difference looking at home screen is remarkable. Apple had to get special projectors to show just how good this screen is.
10:39 am Firing up both phones.
10:39 am Doing a live demo now.
10:39 am Showing differences in photos now.
10:39 am Showing examples of the two screens. "Once you use a retina display you can't go back."
10:38 am 326 ppi "comfortably over" that limit.
10:38 am Text like "a fine printed book."
10:38 am 300 ppi is limit of the human retina when held 10-12 inches away from the eye.
10:37 am "Never been a display like this on a phone."
10:37 am Retina Display: 326 ppi.
10:37 am "Really really sharp text."
10:36 am New display technology, dramatically increases pixel density. 4x as many in same amount of space.
10:36 am Retina Display.
10:36 am "This is a biggie."
10:36 am Feature #2-
10:36 am "When you hold this in your hands, it's unbelievable."
10:35 am Uses stainless steel for strength, uses glass for optical quality and scratch resistance.
10:35 am Audience goes "Oooo..."
10:35 am One side is Bluetooth, WiFi, GPS, other is UMTS and GSM.
10:35 am Shows that the stainless steel band is the primary structure of the phone, "Brilliant engineering, uses band as part of Antenna system."
10:34 am Three black seams.
10:34 am Pointing out weird line on side with volume buttons, steve says people have asked "WHat's this?"
10:34 am Top has headphone jack, second mic for noise cancellation and sleep/wake button.
10:34 am Bottom has mic, 30 pin connector, and speaker.
10:33 am Going over external buttons, volume up and down, mute, front facing camera. Micro-sim tray, Camera with LED flash on back.
10:33 am "Thinnest smartphone on the planet."
10:33 am 9.3mm thick, 24% thinner than current iPhone.
10:32 am "Really thin."
10:32 am Glass on front and rear with stainless steel running around the side.
10:32 am "This is beyond a doubt the most precise things, one of the most beautiful things we've ever made."
10:32 am "Believe me, you ain't seen it."
10:32 am All new design, "A lot of you have already seen this."
10:31 am Well over 100 new features, not enough time for them all. Covering 8 today.
10:31 am "This is really hot."
10:31 am iPhone 4.
10:31 am Audience goes wild.
10:31 am 2010- Biggest leap since original iPhone.
10:31 am 2009 - iPhone 3GS is twice as fast with other cool features.
10:30 am 2008 - iPhone 3G and the App Store.
10:30 am "It's hard to remember what it was like before the iPhone."
10:30 am 2007- iPhone re-invents the phone.
10:30 am "This may help you put things in to perspective."
10:29 am US mobile browser usage for may, iPhone at 58%.
10:29 am Android at 9%.
10:29 am Q1 2010: iPhone has 28% of the US Market Share
10:28 am Steve mentions various marketing studies, says some of them are questionable.
10:28 am "Now I'd like to talk about the iPhone."
10:28 am "Most vibrant app community on the planet."
10:27 am "One of the greatest things we get to do."
10:27 am Apple has paid out over $1 billion dollars to iPhone developers so far.
10:27 am Next stat is Steve's favorite.
10:27 am Crossed 5 billion total downloads on the App Store last week.
10:26 am Steve back on stage.
10:26 am Apparently available today for $2.99?
10:26 am As you score points, you level up your "rock rank."
10:25 am Gameplay trailer being shown, looks pretty cool.
10:25 am Aside from obvious tapping mechanics, new stumming mechanic utilizes multitouch display to "make the gameplay perfect."
10:24 am Gameplay is similar to classic guitar hero.
10:24 am Comes with classic rock like Queen and Rolling Stones as well as new artists like Rise Against.
10:24 am New Guitar Hero shows 3D rockstars that are fully customizable.
10:23 am "Guitar Hero is a pop culture phenomenon."
10:23 am Activision Senior VP Karthik Bala up next to talk about Guitar Hero.
10:23 am Coming by the end of June for the 1 year anniversary of the launch of Farmville.
10:22 am All Facebook friends can be accessed in Farmville for the iPhone as well as all the same social functionality found on Facebook.
10:22 am Showing how harvesting works on the iPhone, audience laughing still.
10:21 am Audience laughing and groaning.
10:21 am "Farm anytime, anywhere."
10:21 am Client looks optimized well for the touch interface of the iPhone, comes with push notifications for when crops are completed.
10:20 am Showing different functionalities of the Farmville client.
10:20 am Farmville client for iPhone being demonstrated, showing same farm that is played on Facebook.
10:20 am Farmville has grown to over 70 million monthly active users.
10:19 am More people play Zynga games than watch the season finales of Lost and 24.
10:19 am Farmville is their most popular game, finally coming to the "most popular mobile gaming platform in the world."
10:19 am Introducing "farming for the iPhone."
10:19 am Mark Pincus, CEO of Zynga takes the stage.
10:18 am Zynga up next.
10:18 am Does not specifically mention 3G compatibility.
10:18 am http adaptive bitrate technology utilized in Netflix app to seamlessly switch between networks "even on the go."
10:18 am Showing how well search works on the Netflix iPhone app.
10:17 am Also mentions how the iPhone app shows all the Netflix.com functionality, instant queue, recommendations, etc.
10:17 am Discusses how a film can be stopped on any device and resumed on any device.
10:17 am Netflix being demonstrated.
10:16 am Netflix for iPhone coming this summer.
10:16 am Hastings: "Tremendous success" talking about iPad version. Top 10 most downloaded apps.
10:16 am (Netflix CEO)
10:15 am Reed Hastings coming on stage to discuss Netflix on the iPhone.
10:15 am Three new apps being shown from entertainment category.
10:15 am Released on the iPhone of last year, 10 million downloads since then. Did $600 million in volume in first year and they expect $1.5-2 billion this year.
10:15 am Highlights Ebay app.
10:14 am Emphasizes again that 95% are approved within 7 days.
10:14 am 3: They crash.
10:14 am "Developers who use private API's know exactly what they're doing."
10:14 am Doesn't allow private API's because they're not guaranteed and apps that use them will break if the iPhone OS is updated.
10:14 am 2. Use of private API's.
10:13 am 1: Doesn't function or do what the developer says it does.
10:13 am Three top reasons why Apple rejects the other 5%.
10:13 am 95% approved within 7 days.
10:13 am Often submitted in up to 30 different languages.
10:13 am 15,000 apps submitted per week.
10:12 am Cites over 225,000 apps currently on App Store.
10:12 am Second platform is App Store, "curated platform."
10:12 am Apple's browsers in the lead with supporting HTML5 standard. "Behind this 100%" - Anyone can write HTML5 apps and have them on iPod touch, iPhone, iPad, and the Mac.
10:12 am Steve emphasizes Apple supports two platforms: HTML5, a fully open uncontrolled platform forged by widely respected standards bodies.
10:11 am Next, Steve moves on to the App Store.
10:11 am Enhancements will be out later this month.
10:11 am Navigation of PDF's works just like regular iBooks.
10:10 am Selector on top left side of iBooks app, selecting PDF's brings up new book shelf for PDF.
10:10 am Massive applause from audience.
10:10 am Biggest request fulfilled, ability to view and read PDF's inside of iBooks.
10:10 am Bookmark looks like little red ribbon, also shows in table of contents.
10:10 am New control in upper right to add bookmarks.
10:09 am iBooks enhancements include in-line notes that look like post it notes.
10:09 am In just 8 weeks, expected to increase as more iPads are shipped.
10:09 am 5 of the 6 biggest publisher in the US say share of eBooks on iBook Store is now 22%.
10:09 am 2.5 books per iPad, "Terrific."
10:08 am In first 65 days, users have downloaded over 5 million books.
10:08 am Steve going over current features.
10:08 am iBooks being updated.
10:08 am Audience laughs.
10:08 am Developer of iPad app The Elements earned more on first day than 5 years of google ads on periodictable.com
10:07 am Mentions "tremendous interest from publishers of all kinds" when showing newspaper apps.
10:07 am Now showing games, Iron Man, Avatar, Fieldrunners.
10:07 am Steve is now going through some of the latest apps such as Pulse, WebMD, Gowalla, Ebay, along with education apps.
10:06 am Along with the 200,000 iPhone apps, native apps downloaded over 35 million times. 17 apps per iPad already downloaded, "a great number."
10:06 am 8,500 native iPad apps currently.
10:06 am iPad will be in 19 countries by the end of July.
10:06 am Applause from audience as video ends.
10:05 am Video shows news anchors reporting on iPad, people buying iPad in all kinds of different countries.
10:04 am Now showing video reel of various press coverage from all kinds of network news outlets across the world.
10:04 am iPad now in 10 countries.
10:04 am Over 2 million sold, 1 sold every 3 seconds.
10:04 am Cites an email he got about a guy agreeing the iPad is magical because it got a girl interested in him at a cafe.
10:03 am "It is magical."
10:03 am iPad first, mentions how it is changing the web, email, photos, maps, etc. "A whole new way to interact with the internet, apps..."
10:03 am Steve giving a few updates to start with, beginning with iPad.
10:02 am Over 5,200 attendees here with over 120 sessions and hands on labs by over 1,000 Apple engineers at WWDC.
10:02 am WWDC fully packed, sold out in 8 days, people from over 50 countries here.
10:02 am Audience yells, "We love you Steve." Steve responds, "Thanks... I think."
10:01 am "It's great to be here."
10:01 am Steve wanders about stage wearing standard black turtleneck and blue jeans.
10:01 am Standing ovation.
10:01 am Massive applause as Steve Jobs takes the stage.
10:00 am Lights slowly fading just as "What a Wonderful World" ends.
10:00 am Massive applause as audience camera panned to four people holding up iPads with one letter on each of them spelling "WWDC".
9:59 am Louis Armstrong's "What a Wonderful World" just ramped up in volume, audience went silent.
9:56 am Music faded down, they're welcoming everyone to WWDC and asking people to turn off cell phones, PDA's.
9:55 am "Hi Mom!", "AOL IS HIRING", various flags, etc.
9:54 am Big screen camera now panning to different people in the audience holding up silly things on their iPads.
9:50 am A camera is panning around the audience showing a video feed of people fiddling with their iPads on the big screens.
9:49 am Looking around the audience, absolutely everyone either has an iPad or some kind of MacBook on their lap.
9:44 am Vast majority of people seem to be getting seated, few people still filing in to the hall.
9:40 am Everyone is filing in to the hall, various jazz music playing.
9:37 am Some last minute rumors trickling in suggesting Apple TV, unannounced iPhone OS 4 features (printing?)... we'll find out soon enough.
9:28 am They are starting to let people in.
9:22 am The line is starting to move.
9:16 am Large crowd of people waiting in the hallway in Moscone West.
9:16 am Apple has setup their wall of app store icons across 30 Apple displays.
9:13 am Apple's WWDC 2010 keynote about to start. We are providing live coverage.

i am booking my ticket to hong kong for august to pickup three unlocked ones

how much are they and can you use them on any network?

I'm pretty sure I'll get mine June 24th :)

http://store.apple.com/hk

My guess is about the same price as the 3GS now:
32GB = 6288 HKD
805 USD...

Yes, only and only if it's a GSM 3G network operating with standard bands. That pretty much rules out Verizon and Sprint, and T-Mo is still using their weird band. So you only have AT&T in the US.

My company and I travel to asia a bit, so it's worth paying the premium than paying AT&T $$ for international cell service

The most economical unlocked iPhone is in Australia ($879) for $715. But I don't travel to Australia often and to have it serviced there will be inconvenient. YMMV.

Good news for those wanting to buy an iPhone: the new iPhone supports 5 bands, according to the FCC filing, including the one that T-Mobile USA uses. Theoretically, if you were to get your hands on a factory-unlocked iPhone 4, you would be able to use it with T-Mo's 3G band instead of only edge. Now if only t-mo would actually have 3G service....

*T-Mobile's service sucks and 3G is even worse than AT&T.

*16gig 3GS $149 Closeout price, 32 gig 3GS $199 Closeout price. You cannot exchange these for HD's later.

*Pre-orders start the 12th in store only. (I think, LONG day will edit it if needed. WIll be available after 12pm on the 24th.

*Non-Unlimited Data customer will get email and text alerts when they are at 65%, 90% and 100% of data limit of 200meg or 2gig. MyWireless app shows data usage for billing cycle. FYI most other platforms will have or already have a data monitoring app.

*Tethering will be available with iOS4 update, keep in mind you will have to switch to $25 2gig plan to do so.

*Employee Discount (IRU) will only apply to $25 Data plan not the $15

*New $99 phone will be an 8gig 3GS, $199/$299 will be 16/32 HD's

*Outputs video at 720p

*All AT&T WiFi nationally (200,000 spots) are free and unlimited with all data plans.

My personal wonders:

iOS4 name change I would be willing to say is due to new wireless devices besides iphone on the horizon that will run the iOS4 platform.

Internal communications elude to the fact that jailbroken iphone HD's can be remote bricked via data connection on regular intervals. Not sure how it works exactly but looks like they will be able to brick iphones kinda likes hacked satelite cards.

I think everyone knows I'm no AT&T fan.

I'd be surprised if any other carrier would've handled the iPhone any better. If you look at the stats, the iPhone dominates mobile web traffic. We've used more bandwidth than anyone probably every anticipated.

On top of that, the "not in my back yard" syndrome makes it damn hard to provide super-dense coverage to hyper-connected areas like San Francisco. So, you hear all the geeks whining about AT&T (while defending the manatees from AT&T cell towers, of course). Meanwhile, AT&T service has been just fine literally everywhere I've traveled, including tech-dense areas like Vegas, Manhattan, Redmond, etc.

If an overnight glut of high-bandwidth users had been dumped in T-Mobile or Verizon's lap instead, it would probably be hip and trendy to hate on their service instead.

I am pretty sure Verizon would have handled the iphone's demands a bit better, for obvious reasons. They have invested dramatically more in infrastructure over any of their competitors over the past decade (in regards to wireless), a cost offset by not being as competitive on their bids for the best and most popular phones. As the android increases in popularity we'll see if they buckle, but I doubt it. I think the android platform is getting to be about a third of the iphone already.

Another interesting article, though a year old:
http://www.wired.com/gadgetlab/2009/07/3g-speed-test/

I personally found it funny they chose the name iOS seeing as how that is a CISCO'ism (internet operating system) and runs most of the internet.

How are they getting away with that?

Also here is a summary/recap of yesterday.

Official Name: iPhone 4

(Not iPhone 4G, iPhone HD or iPhone Pro. You can banish these terms from your memory now — that is, at least until next year, when the rumors heat up again.)
Official name of OS: iOS 4
(The name “iPhone OS” is gone. Probably because it also runs on the tablet.)
Fabrication of casing: Stainless steel (for strength) and glass (for optical quality and scratch resistance). And the metal band with seams that is around the phone is actually part of the antennae system.
Size/weight: 4.5 inches (h) x 2.31 inches (w) x 0.37 inch (d), 4.8 ounces. (It’s 24% thinner than the 3GS.)
Connectivity: 802.11b/g/n Wi-Fi (802.11n 2.4GHz only), Bluetooth 2.1 + EDR wireless technology, GSM/EDGE (850, 900, 1800, 1900 MHz), UMTS/HSDPA/HSUPA (850, 900, 1900, 2100 MHz).
Storage: Two versions, one with 16GB and one with 32GB flash drive
.
Other hardware announcements:
•A4 processor chip
•Bigger battery with more capacity. Up to: 40% more talk time (7 hrs via 3G), 300 hrs on standby, 6 hrs (3G) and 10 hrs (Wifi) for internet, 10 hrs video playback and 40 hrs audio playback.
•Screen: The 3.5-inch multitouch screen has a Retina Display. (The pixel density was quadrupled using a new display technology that allows anti-aliasing for crisp clear text. 300 ppi is the limit of the human eye when held a foot away. This screen has 326 ppi.) The display also has a 960×640 pixel res, 800:1 contrast ratio, and uses IPS technology for better color and wide viewing angle
•Two cameras: On the back — 5MP cam with LED flash, for still and vid capture. Records at HD (720p) up to 30 fps with audio. (Vids can be exported at 360p, 520p, and 720p.) Tap to focus video or still images, and pic/flix geotagging. Front-facing cam for video chat.
•Three-axis gyro
•2nd microphone for noise cancellation
•Two color options: black or white
•Volume rocker gone, now replaced by separate volume up and down buttons
•MicroSIM card tray
.
Software features:
•”FaceTime” video chat (Wifi only for now) using the front-facing camera: You can switch from the front or back cam automatically.
•Netflix streaming for the iPhone is coming this summer via an app, like the iPad version! It will stream via Wifi and 3G. (Oh yeah, and the iPhone’s getting the new Guitar Hero and Farmville apps too.)
•iBooks and iBookstore is coming to the iPhone and iPod Touch. Purchase, download an iBook once, then sync the title across all iDevices for free. It also saves your place, porting bookmarks over, as well as notes. The iBookstore will also feature a built-in PDF viewer.
•iMovie app for $4.99, available via the App Store. This allows for video editing (with audio integration) on the fly.
•There’s also a software screen rotation lock for the phone [Edited to include this item]
•iAds: Clicking on ads in an app will no longer shut down the app and take users to Safari. The ad launches in a separate window, and can be closed to resume activity in the originating app.
•Google’s staying put as the default search engine. BING is being added in addition to it.
•Reiterated some of the features from the iOS 4 sneak preview event, like multitasking, app folders, unified inbox, and a greater focus on enterprise.
.
Price, Availability & OS compatibility
If your contract expires in 2010, AT&T will allow you to pick up the iPhone 4 at the discounted prices ($199$/299), as long as you extend your contract for two years. Meanwhile, the previous iPhone 3GS will go on sale for $99).
Availability: June 24 (U.S.) The phone will be in 88 countries by end of September.
Preorders: Start June 15th
iOS 4 software availability: June 21
iOS 4 compatibility: 3GS and iPod Touch Third-Generation. Doesn’t support all features (like multitasking) for the 3G and older iPhones, plus Second-Gen iPod Touch. The first-gen iPod Touch isn’t supported at all.
Software update price: FREE

Greystone,

I don't think you'll see iOS running on any device other than what Apple produces. Apple historically does not develop software for any other hardware except for their own.

I am pretty sure Verizon would have handled the iphone's demands a bit better, for obvious reasons. They have invested dramatically more in infrastructure over any of their competitors over the past decade (in regards to wireless), a cost offset by not being as competitive on their bids for the best and most popular phones. As the android increases in popularity we'll see if they buckle, but I doubt it. I think the android platform is getting to be about a third of the iphone already.

What obvious reasons?

Verizon is terrible around here. My girlfriend had a couple Verizon phones before I switched her to my AT&T account, and they were basically only good as voicemail indicators when they'd get signal for a few seconds each hour.

The thing about Andriod's popularity is that people are buying them more, but not really using them very heavily (according to the aggregated stats analytics providers publish). Sucking down websites on a full browser is what uses a lot of capacity, not pinging for email and calendar updates.

Greystone,

I don't think you'll see iOS running on any device other than what Apple produces. Apple historically does not develop software for any other hardware except for their own.

The idea is that it's odd for the iPad to be running iPhone OS.

It'll be interesting to see how Cisco reacts to the name iOS. There is huge potential for a trademark standoff, since both are hardware firmware, and for the fact that Cisco has more lawyers than you have family members (the same is true of Apple). But Apple has already settled "iPhone" with Cisco earlier, so Cisco may ask for a formalized agreement stating that Apple agrees not to enter the router business and ask Apple to put in more VPN options in iPhone as they did in the last agreement (their last settlement required Apple to license and integrate IPSec with iPhone, which helped iPhone gain adoption with business users).

Sanchek, that's why I agree with the name change. But my point still stands, Apple won't make it available for any hardware other than Apple-logo hardware.

Oh, and Fildien, I went to service my old Hong Kong iPhone 3G factory-unlocked phone at the Apple Store in the US, and they replaced it with another phone, although a US model. It turns out the replacement US phone is unlocked. It seems that iTunes is responsible for the unlocking facility and sending the iPhone a signed certificate to be unlocked, or be locked to AT&T.

I also learned that GSX (Global Service Exchange, Apple's servicing webapp) will request the old serial number and the serial number of the replacement phone, and will transfer whatever status the old serial/IMEI has. So if the handset was unlocked, the new one will be unlocked. If it was locked to carrier X, it will stay locked to carrier X.

They already worked the trademark thing out in advance: http://blogs.cisco.com/news/comments/cisco_and_apple_agreement_on_ios_trademark/

-Yeah Cisco IIRC owned the name iPhone too, from a project years ago.

-As far as the iOS4, i was meaning i think Apple will make other products using the iOS4 as a platform.

This is probably outside of your info, but do you know how long I'll have to wait for iOS4 on the iPad?

Fall

http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/04/iphone-os-4-0373-rm-eng.jpg

11:02AM "And, we're bringing OS 4 to the iPad this Fall."

http://www.engadget.com/2010/04/08/live-from-apples-iphone-os-4-event/

Yeah, I've heard that, but that's a pretty large time range.

Did anyone else read that as FAIL?

This is probably outside of your info, but do you know how long I'll have to wait for iOS4 on the iPad?

Yeah we don't do iPads so I have limited info. I will ask our Apple Rep if they have anyhting more firm or better than 'fall'

Also, to defend the company I work for, I don't think anyone could of predicted the popularity and the amount of data that users would use. If Verizon (who turned the iphone down) would of taken it, they would have the same problems that AT&T does as Sanchek mentioned. If you look at all the blogs and the reports by people who are hypercritical of AT&T will mention that the netowrk issues in NYC and San Fran are improving as in most areas. Was reading an internal document saying Verizon is investing little under a Billion in their network this year, while AT&T is dumping 2 Billion into theirs.

If you Google Apple Developer Forums and iPad iOS 4, you'll find some interesting results. I can't say anything directly, but if you pay $99 and become an iOS developer, you'll see a response straight from the horse's mouth (Apple employees) in the forums.

Did anyone else read that as FAIL?

Yup. Unless they do away with AT+T being propritary than Fail is exactly what it is. Its that or pay 1 large for an unlocked model from HK. More choices are good and with 'Droid getting better all the time, getting an HTC 4G 'Droid phone on my existing Sprint account when I get back to the States seems a bit more logical. The new Iphone seems to be a compelling gadget and is probably rock solid but the inflexibility of the carriers ruins it for me. "Properitary" and "Inflexible" seems to be an Apple mantra since they know the legions of fanbois will buy it no matter how restrictive the terms. If Verizon picks up the Iphone 4 than that might change the situation.

That's an iPad on the "fail" screen; Wi-Fi.

If you're moving back to Atlanta, skip Verizon. They're unbelievably bad here. Sprint does seem to be good here though.

AT&T's service here is basically unbeatable (hence why I stick with them, loathing the overall company all the way). AT&T in Atlanta still has a pretty solid BellSouth influence, from all the people they've absorbed into Cingular and then AT&T. They do a good job.

Yeah we don't do iPads so I have limited info. I will ask our Apple Rep if they have anyhting more firm or better than 'fall'

Also, to defend the company I work for, I don't think anyone could of predicted the popularity and the amount of data that users would use. If Verizon (who turned the iphone down) would of taken it, they would have the same problems that AT&T does as Sanchek mentioned. If you look at all the blogs and the reports by people who are hypercritical of AT&T will mention that the netowrk issues in NYC and San Fran are improving as in most areas. Was reading an internal document saying Verizon is investing little under a Billion in their network this year, while AT&T is dumping 2 Billion into theirs.

Verizon spent $17 billion last year on network upgrades, over half of which went to their wireless infrastructure. They've been out-spending their competition by leaps and bounds, its why they couldn't afford the bid on the iPhone. Its why their service (see that Wired magazine link I posted) is generally double or better of AT&T in the 3G realm.

I would also like to remind Sanchek that his girlfriend, however wonderful she may be, isn't the only person in the world with Verizon cell service. A sample size of one is a pretty poor statistic. Also, as for "The thing about Andriod's popularity is that people are buying them more, but not really using them very heavily (according to the aggregated stats analytics providers publish). Sucking down websites on a full browser is what uses a lot of capacity, not pinging for email and calendar updates." Apple reported that 98% of their network used less than 2gigs and most of their customers used around 200 mb / month, which is pretty similar to Android - which was already discussed earlier in this thread.

If you Google Apple Developer Forums and iPad iOS 4, you'll find some interesting results. I can't say anything directly, but if you pay $99 and become an iOS developer, you'll see a response straight from the horse's mouth (Apple employees) in the forums.

My brother did this a while ago. He has had some interesting info to share and I've been able to beta test allot of apps he's developing. Some really spiffy stuff out there :D Pretty amazing how many contracts he's gotten for writing apps. There's a huge frigging business out there for apps, so much so he gave up his engineering side of things for a while to diddle in software.

I would also like to remind Sanchek that his girlfriend, however wonderful she may be, isn't the only person in the world with Verizon cell service. A sample size of one is a pretty poor statistic. Also, as for "The thing about Andriod's popularity is that people are buying them more, but not really using them very heavily (according to the aggregated stats analytics providers publish). Sucking down websites on a full browser is what uses a lot of capacity, not pinging for email and calendar updates." Apple reported that 98% of their network used less than 2gigs and most of their customers used around 200 mb / month, which is pretty similar to Android - which was already discussed earlier in this thread.

Seeing as your sample size of happy Verizon customers in Atlanta is currently 0, I put more stock in my sample size of 1.

Verizon and Atlanta just haven't gotten along very well from the start. Maybe it's related to BellSouth's previous dominance in the area (AT&T Wireless here was Cingular, which was BellSouth Wireless before that). They're just not a very respected brand here. They're a Republican and Atlanta is California.

The stats are pretty conclusive on actual web usage:

http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-na-monthly-200905-201006

http://getclicky.com/marketshare/global/operating-systems/mobile/

I've seen the admob numbers and sales data showing Andriod doing well, but that doesn't square with what we're actually seeing out on the interwebpipes.

How dare you provide links! What is this forum coming to when arguing without links or proof was standard!

And just b/c I've used so many!!! ZOMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

AT&T will rule Atlanta for one simple fact, Mobility HQ is in Atlanta and WTF would it say about the company if they didnt have amazing signal where they are based out of. The Lenox area of Atlanta is the testing ground for most new things and has amazing service there.

Also, tethering will NOT be available upon release. I will get more details as they come but I am getting 15-20 emails a day about new iphone stuff and it takes time to filter it.

Seeing as your sample size of happy Verizon customers in Atlanta is currently 0, I put more stock in my sample size of 1.


I've seen the Real Housewives of Atlanta, it probably adversely affected my sympathy.

Verizon, the official carrier of people who watch bad reality TV and believe it's real?

I've seen the Real Housewives of Atlanta, it probably adversely affected my sympathy.

HAHAA nice.

*Pre-orders go directly to your house or address of choice, you have to use a credit card, they won't take debit cards (the visa/MC logo'd ones we aren't supposed to but will probably end up doing it on a case by case basis.) You will activate it via 1-800 number and itunes.

*It will only be available in US, France, Germand, Japan and the UK on the 24th. The other 88 countries that will get it will be by September.

*www.mymobileprotect.com (http://www.mymobileprotect.com/) is a product by Asurion for $12.99 a month, it is insurence actually supported by AT&T but billed through that website.

*iPhone 4 will use MicroSim's instead of standard UICC.

Did anyone else read that as FAIL?
The irony is that Verdana was designed to improve readability of text. Myriad FTW.

That's Helvetica.

vBulletin's stylesheet is default to Verdana, no? The font on the Keynote is Myriad.

I'd assumed we were all talking about the image of the slide.

Trying to pre order no working .... ATT site keeps crashing and Apple can not connect to att to verify account lol.

Yeah our systems are getting hammered, this is the most turn out we have ever had for an iphone. My store has been slammed since 9am. Our intranet is crawling both internally and externally.

Reserving one at an Apple store works (slooowly). I gave up on getting it shipped and did that.

What an abject debacle this has been: http://gizmodo.com/5564262/apple-iphone-4-order-security-breach-exposes-private-information

I'll just wait for it to show up on the Hong Kong Apple Store and avoid the train wreck. I don't think it's so much a debacle as a failure and future case study of how they didn't plan for this kind of setup. And for preordering, they allowed their entire production setup to collapse! Not even to fully order just yet!

I'm surprised that AT&T didn't setup a mirror for all the account data to their mainframe. Based on the error messages, "Too many something something in the queue, max number is 256," it looks like they're using a middleware/message queuing platform with an antiquated setup. They probably should have copied all that data and setup a facility for Apple to verify account and contract data since they could batch account changes at midnight. If you can avoid accessing a production mainframe, it's best to do that, and then batch the changes at midnight or non-peak hours and process changes to the account then. No need to push changes out right away.

And even if the database then still went down, at least you wouldn't kill your production setup just yet, just the preorder setup. Now AT&T stores are out of commission, and if you have billing inquiries, pick another day to call AT&T.

That's assuming they have enough supply to meet today's demand. If AT&T's system manages to let them, I bet they sell out today. Imagine the similar uproar if many of the batched preorder "confirmations" couldn't be fulfilled on time.

I'd imagine their backend is a nightmare, with all the acquisitions they've had to integrate in the past several years. So, I can sympathize. No excuse not to at least handle the failure well on the frontend though (which would go a long way to alleviating some of the load coming from redundant requests to the backend).

I can sympathize their backend integration. But to the customer that doesn't understand how audit trails/recording "touches" to records/revisioning/triggers/built-in alarms/business-rule workflow processing, they will garner no sympathy from your average Joe as you can see from the responses on Gizmodo.

It's their front-end approach that I have no sympathy, given the conditions and requirements of their system, and non-technical people are even less easy to please. Even with the continuous approach (vs the batch process, which they really should have used), not all their business rules are applied at the time of order. Users are getting denial emails after their order was placed with their live, production systems. So I am having a hard time why they used a continuous process rather than a batch process. For at the retail store purchasing, continuous makes sense, but not for reservations or preordering!

I doubt they will have enough supply based on demand. They will most likely employ the same iPad queuing system and lifetime order limits per AT&T account.

did mine in the store lickity split over lunch, no wait, no issues, no muss.

AT&T - iPhone Wireless Order Confirmation
Dear Blah Blah,
Thank you for your recent order. Your iPhone has been reserved and is expected to ship on or after June 24, 2010. Your order details as well as activation instructions are included below.
As soon as your device ships, we will send an email confirmation including a tracking number for your convenience. In the meantime, you can check the status of your order on our website at any time by clicking here or by calling our automated system at 1-877-782-8870.
Here are your order details:
iPhone Order Details:
Order Transaction Number: xxx
Shipping Zip Code: xxxx

Item Name


Item Number


Quantity Ordered

Apple IPH 4 32GB BLK PHONE

68096


1

Various SIM

73023


1

FREIGHT

88868


1


.Note: If you are swapping this device for use with a different wireless number, you must bring both this device and the device assigned to the other wireless number to an AT&T Retail Store to facilitate this change.
As a reminder, we authorized the funds to cover your purchase when the order was placed. However, your credit card will not be charged until the order is shipped.
Activating Your New iPhone
1.Charge your iPhone. If you charge the battery while syncing or using iPhone, it may take longer to charge.
2.Launch iTunes.
.Download and install the latest version of iTunes from www.itunes.com/download (http://www.itunes.com/download).
.Connect the iPhone to a USB 2.0 port on your Mac or PC using the cable that came with iPhone.
.Follow the onscreen instructions in iTunes to register the iPhone and sync the iPhone with your contacts, calendars, and bookmarks on your computer, and with music, video, and other content from your iTunes library.
3.When activating the iPhone for the first time you will create a new Visual Voicemail box. You should complete all the steps for the existing voicemail messages prior to activation of your iPhone. Once your iPhone is activated, all previous messages and greetings will be lost.
4.You can activate online at att.com/activations or by calling 1-866-895-1099. Be ready to provide the number you want to activate and to accept your service terms and conditions.
5.Turn on your new iPhone after it is charged to make a test call by pressing and holding the power button for 3-5 seconds. If your test call is not successful, wait one hour to allow the activation process to completed then try to make another call.
6.For assistance at anytime during the process, call us from a different phone at 1-866-391-0749 or go online at att.com/DeviceSupport.
We value and appreciate your business. Thank you again for choosing AT&T.
Sincerely,
AT&T

Did that have a dollar amount on it? A lot of people were saying they did the Apple-side reservation and it seemed good, but it was reserving them at the unsubsidized price because it couldn't get through to AT&T to verify eligibility. Watch out for that.

I reserved one for store pickup earlier, but didn't get a confirmation email (but did get a confirmation page). Who knows if it went through. Wasted too much time on it already today though, so we'll see if it worked.

Nope, no prices on the email.
I didn't consider that an issue until just now.

Going to check site......

hrrmmmm no pricess.....


Date Ordered: 06/15/10










1

Various SIM
In Progress (http://javascript<b></b>:;)


1


0


0



2

FREIGHT
In Progress (http://javascript<b></b>:;)


1


0


0



3

Apple IPH 4 32GB BLK PHONE
In Progress (http://javascript<b></b>:;)


1


0


0

however, I should point out the receipt I have does have teh right total.... no idea why the website does not.

Holy Crap, as of 4:30 we sold through our 6/24 Pre-Order availability , atleast the Florida Market is now given estimated delivery days of July 2nd.

I just tried again and got a subsidized order through Apple.com at 6:30 (Eastern), for what it's worth. Was very slow (even in the cart/payment bits totally on Apple's side), but no errors.

My area(6 stores) did 675 pre-orders, and we live in the most rural area of the Tampa Market.

I went to Best Buy and reserved one. First smart phone, finally getting out of the stone age.

I was at the ATT store at 9 pst (it's right outside of my gym) and was like 8th in line, heh. Had mine ordered by 9:30, with an up to two weeks (from today) delivery time.

So, I got my email saying my phone would be here by the 24th blah blah....Leah on the other hand got a message stating it would come later. /boggle. She called AT&T and tehy said looks like you ordered beyond the store's preorder number or some such. We had to do 2 separate transactions and hers was ordered not 15min after mine. The sales guy said yeah both will come on the 24th...so she called and talked to a manager at the store we went to who said that's odd you were well within our window of the preorder number and should be getting it on the 24th too. He's going to see what he can do but wow, what a mess AT&T.

At 4:30 yesterday,was the cut of for 24th delivery. AT&T has suspended pre-orders and my friend at the nearby Apple Store says they have as well.

Fil, I will look into your pre-order, I still have your cell number i think.

Think mine at 6:30 is safe if it says "Ships: Delivers on June 24th" on the order confirmation I got?

At 4:30 yesterday,was the cut of for 24th delivery. AT&T has suspended pre-orders and my friend at the nearby Apple Store says they have as well.

Fil, I will look into your pre-order, I still have your cell number i think.

It's under hers not mine, mine is ok. I'll txt you her number. We ordered over lunch.

Txt sent. :)

If anyone wants me to check on one done at an AT&T store PM me your transaction number. It should be near the bottom of the receipt near the bottom.

Being told now that no one can be guaranteed 6/24 and that yesterday they did almost 1mil phones compared to previous launch days of only 300k. This is what my local store is telling me and that it goes for every store in the nation. All preorders have been stopped.



http://gizmodo.com/5565084/att-suspends-iphone-4-pre+ordering-after-system-collapse?skyline=true&s=i

I bet they're kicking themselves for giving so many early subsidies, when that stimulus was apparently not necessary.

600,000 was the tally. If you got an order in before 4:30 EST, you are fairly assured a 24th delivery. We can't use the word guarantee to customers, but should be good to go.

They will update dates tomorrow afternoonish durring a congerence call we have. I will let you guys know.

I figure I've made it 30+ years without an iPhone 4; I can make it another couple weeks if I have to.

Well, I guess ordering at 6:30pm was okay. I got an email with a tracking number tonight. It says "Delivers by Jun 23, 2010". That date a mistake?

It's been a fiasco for us. For some reason the credit card company in their infinite wisdom felt that 2 phones being preordered was fradulant enough to cancel the order...one of them anyway. B/C it went as preorder something about 48hrs and the hold went off so AT&T sent it back thru and the card company flagged it as fraud. We didn't even know until we checked the site and saw one of them was cancelled. Of course the card company was like but we're helping you.

So, I get mine on time. Leah, we're unsure of we think the store manager is going to hold one for her and we're going to go in and pick it up that day. Jeezzzz

Yeah its crazy. You arent the only person that happened to, I just found out like an hour ago about your order and was about to PM you :P

It sucks AT&T is getting blamed for credit card companies policies and it sucks!

Release date just got pushed to the 29th

Ok, so I called my local store and they confirmed this but I'm confused. My order on the website shows shipped but I don't know where it's shipped to....?

preorders should be on time still, and Fil it should be going to your house.

I just called the Apple store... they said release date is still the 24th...

Fedex still shows mine showing up tomorrow (though, it's a brick until they allow us to activate them).

I have a tracking number but it shows nothing for me. I am told this is normal and nothing is wrong. Leah is still SoL on hers.

What is the real cause of this? Our AT&T says Apple trying pump up demand or something dumb. It seems more likely it's b/c AT&T bumbled the preorder.

*The launch is the 24th, people who had to have their pre-orders come in to the store will still get them on the 24th. We wont have stock till the 29th.

*The phones can be activated now, we activated the iPhone 4 demos for our store in itunes.

*The 600,000 pre-orders are the reason. They didnt think it would be that high. So basically store stock got taken to fulfill the orders. The plan from Apple/AT&T was for about 450k over the course of the week, but yeah...

I got this email from Apple:

Dear Apple Store Customer,

You recently received a Shipment Notification email from Apple advising you that your iPhone has shipped.

This email is to confirm that your delivery will occur on June 23rd. Although Apple and FedEx tracking information may currently indicate a later date, you can check the FedEx website the morning of the June 23rd to track your package to your doorstep.

In the event that you will not be available to accept delivery on June 23rd, it may be more convenient to use our pre-sign delivery option by visiting our Order Status website at http://www.apple.com/orderstatus.

Sincerely,

The Apple Store Team

Weird. Definitely glad I bought it direct now, hearing all the issues people have been having that ordered it through AT&T.

wishing I'd done it thru Apple tbh but.... 3pm? :(


Anticipated ship date

Jun 23, 2010


Estimated delivery

Jun 24, 2010 by 3:00 PM


Destination


RED LION, PA

Manager of AT&T store by us is holding Leah a phone for Tuesday b/c of the crap with the bank and waiving activation fee eventhough we were told only 1 phone per account could have it waived.

Oh and...

Jun 23, 2010 6:00 AMPicked upFORT WORTH, TX
Jun 23, 2010 3:47 AMShipment information sent to FedEx

:D

Just read white won't be available until late July.

Although I am having fun playing with Froyo on my Nexus one atm

Got my phone today!!!!!!!!!!!!

AT&T has worked great in downtown Seattle and the Bellvue/Redmond area every time I've been there. Same in Atlanta, obviously.

If you ignore the lower end display quality, the EVO is a decent alternative... for the couple hours its battery lasts. I'm not much of an Apple fan myself, but it's pointless to avoid having nice things just because some other people buy them to follow a trend.

It's cool Lum, you are just drinking the "I have to prove something by not liking the iPhone" kool-aid. Hate the iPhone all you want but you can't deny, it was like the RAZR. It brought out a whole new form factor race, but now it's also form factor with bells and whistles. EVERY company has billed a phone as the iPhone killer. So Apple has to be doing something right with their phones.

I got to play with an EVO, it is pretty nice. It has a bigger screen than the iphone, and most of the same functionality and the android interface is sleak but I am sorry Sprint is the worst voice carrier in the US that is not regionally based. They still hemorage customers, and sure you can point out some specific cities might be better for Sprint, but the entire Florida division, the number one port-out is from Sprint.

Sprint has ALWAYS been an industry leader in Data, I would be a moron not to admit that. Though, I would argue once 4G is the standard Sprint starts to lose the race due to their love affair with technology that the rest of the world deems inferior.

I would like to end, yes I am drinking the kool-aid because I love working for AT&T.

I left Sprint to AT&T over crappy customer service and crappy reception especially here in Norther California. AT&T has been great for reception and although I do not want an Iphone(dont see point I have Ipod touch 2g). I bought the Nexus One for my wife and I and I will not got to Iphone in the near future now.

Glad I preordered. Damn.

http://img.ly/system/uploads/000/373/651/large_image.jpg?1277380752

FedEx brought mine this morning instead of yesterday. Weird; whatever. No trouble/delay activating. Good times.

They've beat it to death in the reviews, but the camera really is phenomenally better in normal lighting. I couldn't really use my 3GS in my office, but the 4 is great.

In any case new phone in hand and activated. No delays, no issues and it's great. It's bigger than I thought it would be though and heavier. Still the display is unreal and hands down better than any I've ever seen on a phone.

How do you et the multitasking stuff to work? I assumed it did it automatically.... Like if I want to keep pandora or xm up while I reply to a txt or check facebook.

How do I make a video call!?

How do you et the multitasking stuff to work? I assumed it did it automatically.... Like if I want to keep pandora or xm up while I reply to a txt or check facebook.

*double tap the home key

*To make folders, drag on app onto another.

How do I make a video call!?

App is called FaceTime, only works on wiFi



OH AND TETHERING IS LIVE ON IPHONES!

FaceTime is neato :D

Anyone experiencing the antenna problem? I had it happen once and didn't realize what it was until I read about the issues people are reporting. (I'm a lefty).

Since putting a case on it I haven't had the problem but basically my signal dropped and came back when I moved my phone. It was weird.


http://gizmodo.com/5571171/iphone-4-loses-reception-when-you-hold-it-by-the-antenna-band

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kYmVpoccPnc

Anyone have the jaundiced screen issues they are reporting?

Screen's good on mine.

Too soon to say for sure about the antenna grounding, but it doesn't seem to be happening on mine.

no screen issues at all here

Also, iMovie is fuuuuuuun! I've been playing with it some this afternoon and having a blast. The camera is so much more improved and you can do some really neat stuff with it. I recommend this app :)

The antenna thing we can reproduce VERY easily, big oops on Apple's part, BUT getting a case fixes it which you are a tard if you don't get a case on the device. (OTTERBOXES!)

Haven't seen any Screen issues and we had about 100 or so pre-orders come in for help with activation and accessories.

Lastly, holy shit micro-SIMS are small!!!

The antenna thing must have something to do with your skin or body chemistry.

I have to squeeze my palm on that left-side joint like I'm trying to squeeze blood out of it before it has any impact on the signal. Same with a few other people I talked to. However, there was a guy at dinner tonight that could simply hold it in his left hand and have the same effect.

So I take this to mean Sanchek is a vampire.

I can't see my reflection in FaceTime.

Explains how you're still alive so many years after liver failure.

I think not necessarily a vampire more of a hybrid where alcohol replaced the blood.

No screen issues here. It is gorgeous.

FaceTime is really very cool. I've used it a few times now. It locked up on me once, but I blame that on the WiFi in the pub my friend was at. BTW, here at work apparently a couple that we got for the execs shipped with FaceTime off. So if you're not getting the FaceTime option on a person's contact info, go in to Settings > Phone and turn FaceTime on.

I haven't shopped around for iPhone4 specific apps yet. I'm looking for something that makes good use of the gyroscope. Also, I am very interested in seeing if someone comes out with an app to connect to conference room systems. We have Polycom units set up at each of our offices and if we could connect in via our iPhone 4's that would be amazing.


As to issues, I've had a couple. I think the FaceBook app needs an update, as about 25% of the time when I go to post something, I get booted instantly to the home page of icons. Otherwise Facebook is worlds faster than on my 3G.

Also, yesterday when I was on my way out I pulled my phone out of my pocket and it was off. I tried powering it on and that didn't work. I ended up having to hold down both buttons for ~10 seconds for it to power on. Odd. Only done it once so far.

Anyone have comments on battery life? Mine seems to be draining terribly fast and I'm doing the same type of thngs I did on my 3G.

I have found the battery life is about the same if not better.

I'm actually still at 100% battery after (very) light use for a few hours off cable so far today, including push emails. That's crazy, compared to the 3GS.

!@#@! :(

Mine is definitely not that way.

Mine is draining faster, however, I know for a fact that I have more turned on than I did on my 3g (locational services, etc). You should poke through your settings and make sure everything is the way you want it, fil.

Also, you may well just be using it more than your previous phone just cause it's new. I know I've been whipping mine out at random times just to remind myself how awesome it is ; p.

(That last sentence was not intended to be as phallic as it sounded)

With all the apps and ability to access internet and such, it amazes me that none of these hi-phaluting-phone-pholks have seen anything about the 8 year old boy executed by hanging by the Taliban who said he was assisting the enemy. Do these phones somehow philter out unpleasant news, leaving only the happy-happy face? :rolleyes:

Bylimet, while I appreciate your concerns toward the 8-year old boy executed by Taliban, this is an iPhone fact-finding thread. You could post the same post on, say, a gamers' forum about how enamored the posters are about their Xbox 360 and so forth, and how they don't give a shit about the Taliban executing an 8-year old boy, and I'm sure the readers will be less than amused.

You may repost your sentiments as a separate post, as it is off-topic (the title of this thread is "iPhone HD"), and you can title it however you want, e.g "Why do we not give a crap about the world yet continue to buy electronics" or "8-Year Boy Executed By Taliban." But this is the incorrect thread to post these sentiments, and the topic is deserving of full discussion as its own thread.

This thread has already been hijacked more than one time. Please keep on topic. Thank you.

Hey fil.. I just realized another reason my battery might have been draining is that I set my brightness to max when I first got it. My last one was always 50%.

Fil, do a backup and restore. There has been a few issues reported by customers and 1-800-MYIPHONE (not making this up it really is the tech support number) has said the solution is that.

ok. I'll try that but I did notice one of my email accounts was set to fetch every 15min. I never use fetch. Even with that it's still draining. Thanks for the suggestions :)

Also, you might try letting the battery drain fully then charge it fully. I remember hearing something about cell phone batteries not showing their proper battery amounts when they're brand new until you do that. Who knows, though.

Well, backing up and restoring definitely seemed to help me. My battery is hardly moving and I've been off the wire for serveral hours. Thanks! :)

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_S8sxpK4_iA

Thanks for fixing youtube.

Question what cases are avail for phone 4? All i have found on apple site is the edge case thinger. I have ordered a phone but before it comes out of the packaging i want a good case for it. Not and otter box they are to bulky.

SC

If it doesn't impede pocket storage noticeably, I'm going with one of the Apple bumpers. Sort of holding out to see if they might comp them for crying about the antenna attenuation thing.

I bought a case from AT&T Thursday $24.99 and I actually like the case. It is a gel/rubber insert that goes around the phone and then a harder shell for the outside. No signal loss since putting it on.

When I pre-ordered mine, I went on EBay and found that some Chinese company already had silicon cases for sale for $0.99 shipped, so I got one of those and it showed up 1 day before the phone. Works fine, but I am a fan of hard rubber cases as I am notorious for dropping my phone.

so we sold all 80 we got did almost 35 pre-orders

If it doesn't impede pocket storage noticeably, I'm going with one of the Apple bumpers. Sort of holding out to see if they might comp them for crying about the antenna attenuation thing.

Looks like a definite no on them making any restitution on the antenna thing.

http://mashable.com/2010/06/29/leaked-iphone-4-docs/

Brave move, in the face of stiffer competition.

Finally got my iPhone 4 on the 29th after getting in line real early.

So now I have a quick question regarding my now cleaned and deactivated iPhone 3G - a friend of mine wants to buy it off me for his girlfriend who lives in Colombia (long story). He is gonna take it over there for her.

So do they just go to their local carrier that supports iPhone and get it all activated and what not, or is my U.S. iPhone 3G locked to AT&T in the US? I suppose I can jailbreak the phone, but if they use an official iPhone carrier in Colombia wouldn't the phone "be okay" with that?

I suppose I can jailbreak the phone, but if they use an official iPhone carrier in Colombia wouldn't the phone "be okay" with that?

The jailbreak kits often include the necessary firmware modification mechanism, but it depends. If they're normally contracted to do AT&T customers in Colombia then it'll probably work without modification, otherwise you have to get into the firmware and flip the bits on which carriers it will accept.

You can usually get carriers to give you the unlock code if it's been awhile and you try hard enough. After all, you've paid back the subsidy on your phone once the contract's up.

I've only had to do that once with AT&T and it was a pain, but they eventually gave it to me.

Called AT&T and they said that with any kind of iPhone, even an out-of-contract one, they cannot get it unlocked or even request an unlock code b/c of (naturally) Apple's restrictions.

I guess I'll have to try and unlock it the jailbreak way, but I hate to do that since it makes upgrading firmware so difficult, especially since the person who would use my old phone is not very tech savvy.

EDIT: Jailbroke/unlocked it and all seems fine.

Must have apps?

Has anyone come across any iphone4 must have apps or any that showcase the features of the 4 the best?

Only one I've dinked with is iMovie and I really like it but am curious.

Android has an APP called "key ring" which I love does Apple have similar?

Basically scan all those club card barcodes into phone (Safeway, Ace, Blockbuster, Etc.) And you just have the stores scan them from your phone rather than carrying all those cards around with you.

Android has an APP called "key ring" which I love does Apple have similar?

Basically scan all those club card barcodes into phone (Safeway, Ace, Blockbuster, Etc.) And you just have the stores scan them from your phone rather than carrying all those cards around with you.

Yeah.

What is it called for the iphone? There's like a bagillion.

http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2010/07/02appleletter.html

Finally got my iPhone 4 on the 29th after getting in line real early.

So now I have a quick question regarding my now cleaned and deactivated iPhone 3G - a friend of mine wants to buy it off me for his girlfriend who lives in Colombia (long story). He is gonna take it over there for her.

So do they just go to their local carrier that supports iPhone and get it all activated and what not, or is my U.S. iPhone 3G locked to AT&T in the US? I suppose I can jailbreak the phone, but if they use an official iPhone carrier in Colombia wouldn't the phone "be okay" with that?

You can always get it jailbroken, but every time there is a new ROM for it you will have to get it jailbroken again. This is why the factory unlocked phones from Hong Kong cost so much money. You can upgrade the firmware/ROM without issues and use them on any GSM network. Iphone supposedly doesn't even require you to enter in network parameters either. Plug in your 3G SIM and you are done. The phone I got requires you to manually set it up if there is no ready profile for the carrier. Its a bit of a PITA.

Yes, I actually did investigate all this when I was considering my phone purchase. That old 3G will be fine as long as you don't plan on upgrading the software often.

Translation From Apple’s Unique Dialect of PR-Speak to English (http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/translation_iphone_4) of the ‘Letter From Apple Regarding iPhone 4’

The iPhone 4 has been the most successful product launch in Apple’s history. It has been judged by reviewers around the world to be the best smartphone ever, and users have told us that they love it. So we were surprised when we read reports of reception problems, and we immediately began investigating them. Here is what we have learned.

We cannot believe we had to write this fucking letter.

To start with, gripping almost any mobile phone in certain ways will reduce its reception by 1 or more bars. This is true of iPhone 4, iPhone 3GS, as well as many Droid, Nokia and RIM phones.

We cannot believe we’re getting shit for this.

But some users have reported that iPhone 4 can drop 4 or 5 bars when tightly held in a way which covers the black strip in the lower left corner of the metal band. This is a far bigger drop than normal, and as a result some have accused the iPhone 4 of having a faulty antenna design.

(No translation necessary.)

At the same time, we continue to read articles and receive hundreds of emails from users saying that iPhone 4 reception is better than the iPhone 3GS. They are delighted. This matches our own experience and testing. What can explain all of this?

It really is a better antenna and gets better reception (http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2), overall, than any previous iPhone. That’s really the hell of this whole goddamn situation. It’s like a two steps forward, one step back design, except maybe more like three steps forward, because this thing is faster at downloading, 10 times faster at uploading (http://daringfireball.net/2010/07/iphone_4_3g_performance), and most importantly is better at not dropping calls with a weak signal. But, yes, there’s that one step back, wherein it can suffer from unintended attenuation when you bridge the lower-left antenna gap with your skin, and frankly, we’re a little pissed that this one step back is getting all the attention.

We have discovered the cause of this dramatic drop in bars, and it is both simple and surprising.

We are going to blame AT&T.

Upon investigation, we were stunned to find that the formula we use to calculate how many bars of signal strength to display is totally wrong. Our formula, in many instances, mistakenly displays 2 more bars than it should for a given signal strength. For example, we sometimes display 4 bars when we should be displaying as few as 2 bars.

We decided from the outset to set the formula for our bars-of-signal strength indicator (http://fscked.co.uk/post/754590440/this-infographic-hopefully-shows-that-im-not) to make the iPhone look good — to make it look as if it “gets more bars”. That decision has now bitten us on our ass.

Users observing a drop of several bars when they grip their iPhone in a certain way are most likely in an area with very weak signal strength, but they don’t know it because we are erroneously displaying 4 or 5 bars. Their big drop in bars is because their high bars were never real in the first place.

Yes, with no case on the phone, your signal strength can drop by about 20 or even 30 percent depending how you hold the phone. We’re going to change the bar algorithm so that you’ll only lose one bar (maybe two, if you’re holding the phone obnoxiously tight or have gross sweaty palms) if you’re holding it that way.

To fix this, we are adopting AT&T’s recently recommended formula for calculating how many bars to display for a given signal strength. The real signal strength remains the same, but the iPhone’s bars will report it far more accurately, providing users a much better indication of the reception they will get in a given area. We are also making bars 1, 2 and 3 a bit taller so they will be easier to see.

We are braced for the backlash when, after installing this update, people who weren’t experiencing any problems at all with their iPhones start complaining, loudly, that their phones which used to get five bars now only get three or two or whatever from the same locations, and we all know — us and everyone reading this — that Gizmodo will immediately declare that the update has made iPhone 4 reception worse, even though we’ve just explained that we’re not changing anything related to actual reception, but rather only to how we indicate signal strength.

We will issue a free software update within a few weeks that incorporates the corrected formula. Since this mistake has been present since the original iPhone, this software update will also be available for the iPhone 3GS and iPhone 3G.

(No translation necessary.)

We have gone back to our labs and retested everything, and the results are the same — the iPhone 4’s wireless performance is the best we have ever shipped. For the vast majority of users who have not been troubled by this issue, this software update will only make your bars more accurate. For those who have had concerns, we apologize for any anxiety we may have caused.

Don’t fuck this thing up for us. We mean, have you seen the Retina Display?

As a reminder, if you are not fully satisfied, you can return your undamaged iPhone to any Apple Retail Store or the online Apple Store within 30 days of purchase for a full refund.

We dare you.

And take your class action suits (http://www.loopinsight.com/2010/07/01/apple-att-sued-over-iphone-4-reception/) filed four days after we released the goddamn thing and stick them up your fucking asses.

We hope you love the iPhone 4 as much as we do.

Seriously, have you seen it?

Thank you for your patience and support.

Don’t hold it that way, or buy a case.

In defense of Apple:

Has anyone actually had issues placing calls or using mobile broadband? The damn thing does what it promises to do, right?

In defense of those who will be percieved as haters or blasphemers:

Neatness counts and one has to wonder if the lab testing was conducted with people actually holding the phone? After a product launch is an embarrassing time to have to admit that something didn't make the grade and hasn't for years. Rewriting the test into one that does make the grade is a bet sketchy too at least from a PR viewpoint. Especially to the layperson. Perhaps the algarithm was too steep of a logarithmic curve and thus was able to reflect tiny modulations as huge changes on the bar scale but QA testing should have caught this before the release and the potential need for spin doctoring. Also. Iphone is a global product. How does AT&T factor into that?

That was a question I was having. Were people having issues w/ it all over, or is it just AT&T?

It doesn't have anything to do with AT&T.

If it's not AT&T it's clearly obama.

AT&T is getting blamed, and people are saying lol 'Verizon wouldn't have these iPhone 4 problems" which makes me giggle daily when a customer says it.

Then we go to a UK paper and show them a story about it being there too and they still think it is AT&T.

People need someone to blame for anything, AT&T, Apple, Obama...

So I am about to go pick up my new iphone that just came in, worth it or not? The reception thing is a little troubling....

The reception thing is nothing don't let it steer you away. I have had 0 problems with it since putting a case on my phone. I couldn't be happier with my purchase.

Ibudin, it's not an obligatory purchase. If you find that you are unsatisfied with your iPhone, you can return it for a full refund (no restocking fee) and your contract reset to pre-activation date within thirty days.

So a colleague dropped their iphone today and despite the case it's screen shattered. They were saying that they had to buy a new phone, though I know when I did the same thing to my old Treo Verizon just gave me a new one no questions asked. Is that true or are they mistaken?

No carrier in the world will freely replace a $600 phone that you paid $200 for and then broke. I can't imagine how anyone could possibly expect that to happen.

I am quite confident I could accidentally break my Droid and get a new one tomorrow as soon as a Verizon store opened. My roommate got drunk and lost his phone in a toilet, got a replacement the next day - but I can't remember what his was.

Also, the Droid's manufacturing cost is $187.75, so unless Apple's engineers are really stupid I can't imagine the manufacturing costs of the iPhone being $600 - the link below suggests a nearly identical cost.

http://www.merinews.com/article/apple-iphone-4-manufacturing-cost-187-reports-isuupli/15825378.shtml

I have a hard time believing that you're honestly naive enough to think they would replace your phone if you dropped it and brought it in with a broken screen.

On top of that, do you really think Apple spent hundreds of millions of dollars to develop the iPhone and then sells them to AT&T for their manufacturing cost?

Just trolling at this point?

So a colleague dropped their iphone today and despite the case it's screen shattered. They were saying that they had to buy a new phone, though I know when I did the same thing to my old Treo Verizon just gave me a new one no questions asked. Is that true or are they mistaken?

Bolded and underlined for the realizing they don't know everything impaired.

How is replacing your obsolete, old Treo relevant to a new, actually valuable phone? They were probably ecstatic to find some use for leftover (probably refurbished) inventory.

Also, ell-oh-ell: http://businessforums.verizon.net/t5/DROID-by-Motorola/Cost-of-refurbished-Motorola-DROID/m-p/186471

My Motorola DROID recently hasn't been working. When I try to power it on nothing comes on the screen. Its completely black. I went to Verizon to try and get a replacement. They told me they couldn't replace it for me because I had a crack in the side of my screen (its the smallest crack it looks like a scratch) but its physically damage so they can't do anything for me. They told me I couldn't even get a refurbished phone for $50 like I was able to do with the LG voyager I had last year. The Verizon employee said my option was to use an old phone, pay full price for a new DROID (yeah right $600 no way), or pay for a certified pre-owned phone.

Bolded and underlined for the just plain impaired.

Well first I'd go to Apple and not AT&T. Leah actually dropped her iphone a few months ago. Made an appt. at the apple store went in and they replaced the screen no muss no fuss. Why would you go to AT&T? They aren't going to be able to repair your phone for you.

It was a new Treo at the time.

Found out more about this. Apparently Verizon and AT&T both offer insurance for $5 per month that is almost obligatory and built into the plans. They include lost or stolen, damaged, etc. However, Apple products however aren't able to be insured and are excluded because Apple forces you to buy AppleCare instead. Kinda shitty. Guess they are SOL.

/shrug I guess so if they aren't even willing to talk to the apple store then yeah. Even if they have to pay to replace the screen it's probably cheaper than $600.

additionally I have heard numerous times that later this month we'll be able to get insurance on the iphone.

If you really want insurance on an iPhone, you can do something like SquareTrade: http://www.squaretrade.com/pages/iphone-landing24

And yeah.... SOL for not even bothering to check with apple.

http://discussions.apple.com/message.jspa?messageID=11827812

Recent replies from last week BTW


Same thing happened to me. I took it to the Genius Bar and they replaced it for free.



Same thing happened to me, only with the back side....and I had a bumper on it. Phone landed flat on its back and the back shattered. Apple replaced for free. I have taken off the bumper and gone to a full case.


Oh hey another example or two or three.

http://www.henshall.com/stuart/2010/06/30/my-daughters-iphone4-screen-broken-was-it-faulty-what-will-apple-do/

The Ctirx guy at work sent this to me. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/10/citrix-enlists-iphone-4-in-its-quest-for-nirvana-phone-portabl/ I get to be a guinea pig when it's released :)

The Ctirx guy at work sent this to me. http://www.engadget.com/2010/07/10/citrix-enlists-iphone-4-in-its-quest-for-nirvana-phone-portabl/ I get to be a guinea pig when it's released :)

I don't understand why that is even considered a good idea. The whole usefulness of a phone having desktop type capabilities is for times when you aren't at a desk with a monitor and a keyboard. That is like installing indoor plumbing in a tent - sure you could do it, but its kinda stupid.

And their video guy needs to take his meds, his tremors were making me a lil queasy.

I must've missed the part where he plugged a keyboard and monitor into the phone.

The monitor was connected with a VGA cable, the keyboard was bluetooth and not plugged in.

It's ok if you don't see the usefulness or the potential. I do, and I thought to share it b/c there are other IT folks who peruse here. I'm not sure if you know who or what Citrix is...perhaps if you did you'd understand the potential and what they're trying to accomplish.

Additionally the video was shot with the camera on the phone itself. It's not going to be professional quality.

I'll give a hint.... we are actively working on this http://www.vmware.com/products/view/ too.

It's ok if you don't see the usefulness or the potential. I do...

Then enlighten me, what is it?

The monitor was connected with a VGA cable, the keyboard was bluetooth and not plugged in.

I'm sure he'd rather people gather around his phone to watch his presentation instead of viewing it on the projector. :rolleyes:

But a $600 phone, just due to sheer size, isn't ever going to be as powerful as a $600 laptop or a $600 desktop. Everything is connected to the web anymore, so transferring data from one device to another is pretty easy.

That is, unless you are saying that since people have the new iphone4 they won't ever use a desktop or laptop again ... but I'm pretty sure no one would think that.

There are obvious benefits to an iphone - browsing the internet (and having it look like the internet) on the go, and desktop-like functions on the go. It just seems extremely backwards to replace a desktop with an item designed to hold you over when you are away from your desktop.

Why would you lug a laptop into a presentation if you don't have to. Who cares which is most powerful if the phone is powerful enough.

That makes sense.

Do most people still use powerpoint and slides for presentations? All the times we shoot folks like Deloitte they have interactive question/answer things where you txt answers, videos, all sorts of crap. Just envision the higher end things would have trouble on a phone, but for like, the presentations I had to do in highschool I'd imagine they are plenty adequate.

Why would you lug a laptop into a presentation if you don't have to. Who cares which is most powerful if the phone is powerful enough.


^^ this really

and more for ipads than anything. we are already piloting replacing notebooks and laptops that doctors use for their daily use. they are also begging to be able to view the EHR on their iphones.

That makes sense.

Do most people still use powerpoint and slides for presentations? All the times we shoot folks like Deloitte they have interactive question/answer things where you txt answers, videos, all sorts of crap. Just envision the higher end things would have trouble on a phone, but for like, the presentations I had to do in highschool I'd imagine they are plenty adequate.


Who still uses PPTs?

IBM
Microsoft
CISCO
Brocade
NetAPP
Oracle
DataDomain

Every vendor that comes onsite to do a presentation in our location uses PPTs. Every conference I've gone to recently gives out PPTs and that is how they present the material.

Also, working at a teaching hospital our "teachers" frequently use PPT to present material. You may be thinking of remote presentations? Like webinars?

Do most people still use powerpoint and slides for presentations?

Yes.

Most presentations happen in a room with no more than a couple dozen people, running off a laptop connected to a projector. If you're visiting, you often have little to no internet connectivity too.

Who still uses PPTs?

IBM
Microsoft
CISCO
Brocade
NetAPP
Oracle
DataDomain

Every vendor that comes onsite to do a presentation in our location uses PPTs. Every conference I've gone to recently gives out PPTs and that is how they present the material.

Also, working at a teaching hospital our "teachers" frequently use PPT to present material. You may be thinking of remote presentations? Like webinars?

I guess Microsoft better come up with an iPhone app that runs Powerpoint then!

And nah, Deloitte has like this whole interactive thing so slides go past, but some slides have polls on them or questions, and sometimes there are videos, and sometimes there are multiple corresponding slides at once, etc. Its pretty sweet, kinda like a scoreboard system at a stadium. But they have like, an unlimited budget, funded with our taxpayer money - so I guess they can afford the sweet stuff. I shoot a fair amount of webinars too though, we do all of Science Magazine's for example, but that just runs out of a standard television studio and we use CG generators for the graphics, and put their corresponding notes and stuff up that way.

Yeah I doubt most sales people have the budget or time to do that for thier typical product roadmap or new technology spiel visit. On occassion IBM will whip out a webinar but it's still mostly PPT driven with the ability to ask questions.

I guess Microsoft better come up with an iPhone app that runs Powerpoint then!

Or, um, they could use this Citrix thing you may have heard of...

Or, um, they could use this Citrix thing you may have heard of...

Looked pretty laggy, a native powerpoint would run a lot better, no?

I think you may still not be understanding what's happening in the video. A native PPT app wouldn't be a replacement (you can already run a PPT on iOS).

I do understand what is going on, it is mirroring your desktop - I use a similar program to watch my editors while they edit video in LA from here in DC*. It is simply using the iPhone to do just that. Used to use a similar thing called Back Orfice to fuck with kids in the dorm by disabling their spacebar while working on term papers. There are certainly uses for it, and its pretty cool ...

But if I wanted to edit video directly, I'd use my own editing suite. And if I wanted to present a powerpoint, I'd think most people would feel a lot more comfortable and be a lot more effective using powerpoint on a native computer than have to worry about lag, or the remote computer locking up, or any possible security risks, etc etc. These were independent thoughts.

* - cheers to Malse for the idea, has saved us a ton of time/$$$, LA editors are desperate for work

You're welcome; however, Citrix isn't mirroring your desktop. Citrix provides an entire virtualized application environment. When I use Citrix, not only am I running a SCADA control system on my iphone that was never ported to OSX/arm, I'm doing it on the network and attached to the real communication gear of a microwave tower site.

May not make a big difference looking at Word (write letterz n shit, yo (http://bp3.blogger.com/_HhgewoBjiEg/Rf__y3LLAGI/AAAAAAAAAyE/S-abd9bryXg/s320/WORD.bmp)) but it does for a number of other purposes.

Since you asked what Citrix is/does and didn't want to look it up I googled it for you.

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&q=define%3A+Citrix&rlz=1R2ADRA_enUS373&aq=0&aqi=l1g10&aql=&oq=what+is+citrix&gs_rfai=Cvb1iSxs_TOvZJIvwygS59LH_CwAAAKoEBU_QrX3O


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citrix - has allot of info but it's Wiki and I know how some people feel about wiki's.

In short, Citrix doesn't just "mirror" your desktop. It virtualizes apps and OSs.

I love my Iphone!! No problems what so ever with it.

http://gigaom.com/2010/07/15/iphone-recall/

hrmm!

Also b/c I am bored and have lots of time today I took my case and tried make my phone lose signal. I discovered that if I turned off WI-FI started a call and then tried to surf the web my signal would eventually flatline to Edge and then tell me I couldn't do data anymore.

Since I've always used a case I never experienced this. Then after it went that low once and I laid it flat in my palm it would come back to full strength. If I cupped it in my hand it would lose a few bars without making calls or surfing the web.

If a recall happens I'll get them to replace my phone but honestly I'd never experience this with a case on.

I picked up the Griffen case for it the day I purchased the phone, also installed the cover over the lense. I work on a manufacturing floor, it needs protection...hey and the benefit is, the reception is fine (cause of the simple case fix).

Only problem I have is that while on a phone call the screen turns on and my face pushes buttons... never happened on old Iphone.

Antennagate!

elle oh elle

I'm torn, I'd rather have $30 in credit to apple store than a free bumper that I won't use. I want a real case =\

Pretty boring announcement. Was nice of them to do something, even though they didn't really have to (1.7% return rate is pretty stellar).

Only surprise for me was when he announced the 4 dropped more calls than the 3s. Don't even know why they shared that little tidbit.

The 1.7% return rate may go up though when people hear of this announcement, although I see alot of people being satisfied with the bumper. Also the complaint rate could be low due to this being highly publicized and knowing that contacting Apple at that point would be useless.

Still sounds like any argument though "but but soandso does it too"

fil, Jobs said "we can't make bumpers fast enough" and they're going to have other case options from other providers.

fil, Jobs said "we can't make bumpers fast enough" and they're going to have other case options from other providers.

Yeah I caught that after my whine post. On a side note I recorded my worship team this morning at church and it sounded fantastic! The old iPhone just didn't pic up like this one does. I <3 it :)


/derail

I'm using Audacity to edit the tracks and am wondering how I can clip out useless background noise or if that will require professional software and better recordings to do?

Very pleased with iPhone 4 so far. Got a $2 silicone case from eBay that is the same quality as the $30 AT&T one, so no reception problems.

I know that it started with the 3GS, but this is my first time to try it out - has anyone tried the various voice commands? Granted the cellphone I had in 2002 could do it, but it's fun to finally have it on iPhone anyway.

I've played with it some. I had to change Leah's name to something off the wall b/c it kept thinking I was saying Lee.

Because the microphone is so small and so far from your subject it'll never sound nearly as good as a feed from their house audio if they have one. You can't really clean it up without a lot of time in Pro Tools, and even then its not going to be really crisp.

The ideal would be to get a mp3 recording from the house audio and sync it up later.

Which case are you guys picking and why?

http://www.ilounge.com/index.php/backstage/comments/apple-iphone-4-case-program-here-are-the-best-worst-picks/

I went for the bumper. My thinking is that the bumper will never be available (new) at less than Apple's MSRP, whereas the others could be had for less than their MSRPs at discounters online. So, if I decide I don't want it, the bumper should have a higher resale value. Since the bumpers are shipping as fast as any of them, makes sense to go that route for me.

I got the Griffin Reveal Etch

Is anyone else's iPhone Mail client kind of messing up lately (maybe since iOS 4)?

Whether I am on Wifi/3G/Edge, it will not update my IMAP Gmail account correctly most of the time. For example, I will read all new messages on my PC, but iPhone will still show my inbox as having a new message(s), and if I hit refresh on the phone it still won't update. Other anomalies happen too like turning unread messages into non-readable messages that take a while to disappear and I can't delete them... almost like placeholders for messages already read on my PC. Eventually things will sync but on my original iPhone 3G before iOS4 mail sync was always flawless.

For me the phone seems to lag half an hour to an hour on figuring out that the messages were read, but mail gets there on time. I've read suggestions to reinitialize your mail settings when you upgrade the phone but that may more paki helpdesk crap.

So Leah kind of sort knocked my phone into diet coke today. It was like a 1second bath and is currently laying in rice drying out any other tricks I can try?

The rice thing is what I would have suggested. If it stops working.. they are doing full refunds within a month if you.. uh.. aren't happy with the reception issues.. ; p

Also, I have a friend that dropped his and broke the screen. They (Apple Store) replaced the phone for $100. Not too bad.

The rice thing is what I would have suggested. If it stops working.. they are doing full refunds within a month if you.. uh.. aren't happy with the reception issues.. ; p

Also, I have a friend that dropped his and broke the screen. They (Apple Store) replaced the phone for $100. Not too bad.


There is liquid damage indicators on the phone they can tell if it got wet. If you are cool to the apple people they will usually not kill your wallet too bad.

If you have an AppleCare package and ask nicely they may just exchange it. I've had them do that for things that clearly had physical damage, including a decent size dent in an ipod64. I've had them replace my headphones 3 times and the phone once, total charge $0.

Phone is fine :) I did call apple and even scheduled a genius bar appt just in case it was toast. The indicator is pink it's in the headphone jack I used one of Leah's medical gadgets to peer down the hole. It was going to cost $199 to fix b/c it's an iphone4 and b/c it was water damage. Fortunately I didn't have to pay it though b/c all is well now.

My proximity sensor seems to be malfunctioning, but I understand it is a widespread issue. Sometimes it works when held a certain way, but most of the time the screen is still on when right up to my cheek.