http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/06/29/us.iran/index.html

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We (America) is going to regret not nominating Paul...



But bombing Iran would be kinda cool..

We (America) is going to regret not nominating Paul...

In most cases probably very true.


But bombing Iran would be kinda cool..

And in the alternate universe in Iran there is surely some idiot saying the same about us...

I truly wonder how much the rhetoric over Iran is designed to cause spikes in energy prices. After all who profits? Could it be those in the same industries that are known cronies of Bush/Cheney? It appears that after 5 years we see the REAL reason for going into Iraq was to get Exxon-Mobil, Shell, and others back into Iraq where they were before Hussein tossed them out.

We must remember that these oil companies were well entrenched in Iran until somewhere around '79 and I'm betting they want to go back there also.

It's kind of neat how the truth has a way of rearing its ugly head...and BTW...now we know why our men and women in service for us died...it was about the oil.

They sky is falling the sky is falling...bwak bwak.

This weekly installment of OMG TEH US R EVIL AND IRAN IS INNOCENT brought to you by the powers that know all in Iran.

Prepare for Red Dawn, prepare for the supervolcano in Yellowstone to go off, prepare for 2012 when all ends.

/screams and runs off covering his head.


Sorry this is a reporter for fucks sakes, that's the big evil in the world today. Some of you read thee reporters info and immediately jump to conclusions. When I see it from more than one source, when I see our forces change tactics and/or when I hear it from someone not moving their mouth with Iran's PR minister's hand not up their backside maybe...just maybe I'll give it credence.

If I were you Jedd I'd worry more about the EU's findings and decisions. ATM it's all but apparent they are taking the leading hand in all this.

They sky is falling the sky is falling...bwak bwak.

This weekly installment of OMG TEH US R EVIL AND IRAN IS INNOCENT brought to you by the powers that know all in Iran.

Prepare for Red Dawn, prepare for the supervolcano in Yellowstone to go off, prepare for 2012 when all ends.

/screams and runs off covering his head.


Sorry this is a reporter for fucks sakes, that's the big evil in the world today. Some of you read thee reporters info and immediately jump to conclusions. When I see it from more than one source, when I see our forces change tactics and/or when I hear it from someone not moving their mouth with Iran's PR minister's hand not up their backside maybe...just maybe I'll give it credence.

If I were you Jedd I'd worry more about the EU's findings and decisions. ATM it's all but apparent they are taking the leading hand in all this.

I don't need to convince you Fandros... History backs up my point. Just take the article for what it is.

I saw the CNN article last night before I went to bed and linked it to a friend. Seymour Hersh is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist, now in his early 70s, whose initial claim to fame was exposing the My Lai massacre; he has a 40-year reputation for being meticulous with his facts in print (although he has gotten in trouble speaking off the cuff a few times) and I don't believe he'd make such statements in the New Yorker unless he had the goods, sadly enough in this case. In any case, I absolutely don't put it past this administration to do *anything* short of starting an open war of aggression against Iran, no matter how insane that might be, how incapable we might be of 'winning' any such conflict that we do instigate, and how unsupportable and morally repugnant.

Regards,
Nydia

Sorry this is a reporter for fucks sakes.

That's not some guy on a blog in Canada. There are people with more journalistic credibility, but not very many. This isn't some guy doing a nation-wide book signing about his personal armageddon theory or a tell all about his time spent fleecing the public; dismissing people known to have reported factual, correct stories for longer than most posters on this board has been alive as Faux News-esque fear-mongering is straight up stupid.

Well put you two. Long and short is, November is too far away. We're fucked.

The reporter is less a reporter and more of a spy then eh?

During wartime that has dangerous repercussions ;P

This case nonwithstanding it really irks me when the press gives away plans and movements. I'd have no problem at all placing a cap in some reporters noggin if it ever cost our boys their lives.

This is war, it's not a tea party.

This is also my country... And I want to know what nonsense is being done in my name

Fandros, you make it sound as if Iran doesn't already know we're running covert activities over there. They've been screaming about it for months (years?), while we keep pretending that we aren't.

An article like this one is mostly only news to people here in our country, where we're all but brainwashed. It certainly isn't giving Iran the slightest heads up that they didn't already have.

The reporter is less a reporter and more of a spy then eh?

During wartime that has dangerous repercussions ;P

This case nonwithstanding it really irks me when the press gives away plans and movements. I'd have no problem at all placing a cap in some reporters noggin if it ever cost our boys their lives.

This is war, it's not a tea party.

We're not at war with Iran or even Iraq for that matter. Who is this war with? Where do we find them and why do we want to kill them?

So wait, it's better to kill a civilian doing his civic duty, being that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, than to have actual checks on the power of our own elected officials who knowingly send other citizens in military service into a war based entirely on lies and manufactured propaganda?

Oooooo-k.

Also, to assert this is somehow any news to Iranian intelligence folks is astoundingly daft. They've been fighting this (and thus, us) in their own country with no declared war for at least a year. I think they probably have some vague idea.

Rover beat me with quoting ya', Fan; your comment that this is war is not a very valid one, since we are not at war with Iran. I have no illusions that the Cheney/Bush cabal hasn't plans all drawn up to start some shit with Iran; after all, that meeting between Cheney and the oil company heads that he refused to disclose any notes on had to be about something. We are getting them back in Iraq, and the next stop is naturally Iran.

Unfortunately, Iran has people just as stupid as our leaders:

an Iranian general said his troops were digging more than 320,000 graves to bury troops from any invading force with "the respect they deserve."

Obviously, there are folks on both sides with agendas.

So wait, it's better to kill a civilian doing his civic duty, being that the price of freedom is eternal vigilance, than to have actual checks on the power of our own elected officials who knowingly send other citizens in military service into a war based entirely on lies and manufactured propaganda?


Once again we see the pre-9/11 thinking here :devil

I'm sure I don't need to preach here as more than 50% of our country has finally or hopefully realized that this slippery slope is quickly becoming a very serious avalanche as we watch us morph into everything we were taught was evil about the Nazis, Soviets, Red Chinese, Viet Cong, North Vietnamese, East Germans, Bulgarians, Yugoslavians, Romanians, Czech's, Latvians, Estonians, Pathet Lao, Poles, Hungarians, Iranians, Iraqi's, Burmese (Myanmar), and you know any of those that suppress their populations, quell freedom of the press, hold people without a right to council and a trial...you know...those countries that my Fathers generation fought against, those countries my oldest brother fought against, those countries that I was ready to lay down my life so they could never do that here...

That is one big ass run on sentence! Feel free to punctuate...hands baton to malse.

New Yorker article is here: http://www.newyorker.com/reporting/2008/07/07/080707fa_fact_hersh?currentPage=all , btw.

Jesus Christ a bunch of civilians running our war machine is why we've had the issues Vietnam and beyond.

Fucking civilians don't belong in any aspect of war. Once you pick a leader a team you are done, you don't belong in the decision making process.

The enemy, regardless if war is called or not should NEVER FUCKING EVER hear about covert shit ahead of time

Ya'll astound me, and you are prime examples of why we can't wage war and be done with it instead of piddle our pants because we had some collateral damage ( ps goofballs it happens).

You should see war as a HUGE dynamic event that once waged makes you afraid to use it, makes the enemy afraid.

Fuck it, ya'll deserve the muddle. The enemy should be afraid to engage you and your interests.

This half and half shit amazes me....no civilian needs to know till it's done. War has NEVER been waged and won and done that way.

Enjoy

I feel that we as a people deserve to know whether a war that's not in our best interests is being planned before we get mired in something that the majority of this country don't need or want.

Once you pick a leader a team you are done, you don't belong in the decision making process.


Please move to Zimbabwe or Venezuela where your political philosophy will get better play. This is the United States of America, of and by the people, not their elected representatives, and gosh I seem to remember them require servicemen to swear something or other about protecting it. And I certainly remember there being that chain of command thing that ended in civilians, not military people, and gosh didn't some people with huge ass ships named after them like George Washington have a really good reason for it that's just slipping my mind this second ...

We aren't at war with Iran. We aren't even at war with Iraq. We aren't actually officially at war with anyone except North Korea. Guess what? We don't WANT to be either.

Maybe if the people deciding on the wars weren't MAKING SHIT THE FUCK UP since Vietnam then the awful civilian reports wouldn't have to FUCKING CALL THEM ON IT. You don't "pick a team" and then let that team lie like fucking dogs for decades and that's just OK. That's not American. Shit, I don't know what that is, but it's nothing ethical, legal, moral, or remotely a good idea.

I don't mind fucking calling them on a decision, but covert actions/military actions are not up to you joe civilian.

Ya'll don't get it, one day you will. You vote them in they play, you learn to dig deeper next round.

YOu have no right, that reporter has no right, spilling beans to anyone.

We have covert actions, every country in the world has covert actions against alot of countries.

Throwing those up in a fucking report? jesus christ do you not get what's wrong with our war machine? It's not Bush goofballs, the war machine isn't elected. They instead spend their careers having their hands tied behind their backs because you simpering nancies think you know more about the situation than those fighting.

Fuck Bush, he fucked this war up by playing to ya'll.

You move Malse, move somewhere where there are flowery daisies....fresh fruit cups on your table and someone who'll cater to your every whim.

Did you even read the article? I highly doubt it, because it mentioned zero actual tactical information whatsoever. Iran already KNOWS somebody blew up their officers. It kind of happened IN IRAN. You also missed the part in which war genius Dick Cheney (never been in the military) got career military officers forced out of their positions for being stuck on those things like facts and tactics and understanding what the hell they were doing.

Here, for the thinking impaired, it's next to the pretty picture:

Operations outside the knowledge and control of commanders have eroded “the coherence of military strategy,” one general says.


While you're at it, please read about Civil and Revolutionary wars too, because your knowledge of American military history seems to begin and end with Saving Private Ryan.

I don't mind fucking calling them on a decision, but covert actions/military actions are not up to you joe civilian.

Ya'll don't get it, one day you will. You vote them in they play, you learn to dig deeper next round.

YOu have no right, that reporter has no right, spilling beans to anyone.

We have covert actions, every country in the world has covert actions against alot of countries.

Throwing those up in a fucking report? jesus christ do you not get what's wrong with our war machine? It's not Bush goofballs, the war machine isn't elected. They instead spend their careers having their hands tied behind their backs because you simpering nancies think you know more about the situation than those fighting.

Fuck Bush, he fucked this war up by playing to ya'll.

You move Malse, move somewhere where there are flowery daisies....fresh fruit cups on your table and someone who'll cater to your every whim.

Your words embody all that is not American.

I do solemnly swear that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; and that I will obey the orders of the President of the United States and the orders of the officers appointed over me, according to regulations and the Uniform Code of Military Justice. So help me God.


We aren't supposed to have a war machine, we are supposed to have a Department of Defense. The military is there because there is a civilian government, there is not supposed to be any military leaders that set any direction within our government, that's what voting is for.

Vietnam wasn't the fuckup that it was because of a civilian government, it was a fuck up because of corporate influence of both our government and our military, because of the things that Eisenhower warned of. The same goes for Iraq and now unfortunately Iran. If you so desire to have the war, go re-enlist, they'll take you.

No I was wrong to attack ya'll for what are obviously your rights.

Just......feel helpless

Sorry Jedd, Malse and others ....I'm feeling rather mortal atm

Thanks for the well wishes

Jesus Christ a bunch of civilians running our war machine is why we've had the issues Vietnam and beyond.

Fucking civilians don't belong in any aspect of war. Once you pick a leader a team you are done, you don't belong in the decision making process. Well, the civvies running this wargasm were all draft dodgers in Vietnam, or in the case of the president, he managed to buy his way to a seat flying an aircraft too old to be deployed to 'nam.
I don't mind fucking calling them on a decision, but covert actions/military actions are not up to you joe civilian.

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We have covert actions, every country in the world has covert actions against alot of countries. Since there is no declared war with Iran, there is no legal basis for us to commit acts of terrorism inside Iran. Kidnapping people and blowing up houses of worship in someone else's country is a dastardly evil act, one that should be exposed to the light of day and every accomplice in those evil deeds put on trial and then executed. Yanno what, I should absent myself from these boards for awhile.

My father just had a stroke and I'm real hateful atm.

Forgive me I hope he recovers.

Here's an interview with him to accompany the article:

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I thought it very interesting that Hirsch said Bush is un-educable.


I know what he meant but somehow I felt compelled to look it up and...So any how I looked it up:

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