http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/05/20/iran.missile.test/

Its just for power I swear! lulz

Surface to surface 1200 mile range.

http://www.cnn.com/2009/WORLD/meast/05/20/iran.missile.test/

Its just for power I swear! lulz

Surface to surface 1200 mile range.

Yea... Iran's greatest threat in the region has surface to surface missiles that can reach Iran, as well as nuclear weapons.

You wouldn't blink if we were in that position and decided to do the same thing. Oh, and Surface to Surface missiles do not indicate possession or intent of anything other then to manufacture Surface to Surface missiles.

maybe we can shoot them in the head.

maybe we can shoot them in the head.

Somebody is stupid today :)

Keep selling the koolade....

Iran needs a hard stomp and will not be allowed nukes. We should have never allowed Pak. to have them ;(

Keep selling the koolade....

Iran needs a hard stomp and will not be allowed nukes. We should have never allowed Pak. to have them ;(


LOL who the fuck are we to allow or not allow anything. Iran will do whatever the fuck they want to do and we in our battered and broken state won't do shit about it.

I don't think the U.S. will do anything about other than more restrictions , which equate to more punishment for the average citizen that are good people. However I could see Israel doing something about it.

How ever it shows they have been lying the entire time, and all the folks just saying they just want nuclear energy are either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.

LOL who the fuck are we to allow or not allow anything.


Obviously we are the same people who beat unconscious criminal suspects.

I don't think the U.S. will do anything about other than more restrictions , which equate to more punishment for the average citizen that are good people. However I could see Israel doing something about it.

How ever it shows they have been lying the entire time, and all the folks just saying they just want nuclear energy are either misinformed or deliberately obtuse.

It shows no such thing... you are really reaching if you think developing these missiles is an indicator of an intent to develop and/or launch nuclear weapons.

The Sunburn missile can also carry a nuclear warhead, but in no way has Iran's getting their hands on these missile proven that Iran plans to develop or launch nukes.

This is just another pointless scare they are putting in you guys to make you continue to hate Iran and trust the Israeli's. With all that said, I completely would support Iran developing Nuclear weapons, as they are at a disadvantage in which they cannot protect 70 million Iranians from less then 9 million Israeli's.

Obviously we are the same people who beat unconscious criminal suspects.

Keep your shit in the thread it belongs in. You have become irrelevant in both threads as a result of your childish behavior.

Yea... Iran's greatest threat in the region has surface to surface missiles that can reach Iran, as well as nuclear weapons.

You wouldn't blink if we were in that position and decided to do the same thing. Oh, and Surface to Surface missiles do not indicate possession or intent of anything other then to manufacture Surface to Surface missiles.


And frying eggs and bacon does not indicate intent to eat, only that you can fry eggs and bacon. :rolleyes:

This is why ballistic missiles tied to a nuclear program make people nervous about Iran:

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

I realize Rafsanjani is no longer president of Iran and he is only an individual, but one has to worry that this sort of thinking isn't uncommon amongst the theocratic leadership of the country. Those people are primarily educated in religion, not science. I don't think they have a true appreciation of the consequences of a nuclear exchange.

And frying eggs and bacon does not indicate intent to eat, only that you can fry eggs and bacon. :rolleyes

Um... Does fryng eggs and bacon mean you are going to make hash browns?

This is why ballistic missiles tied to a nuclear program make people nervous about Iran:

http://www.iran-press-service.com/articles_2001/dec_2001/rafsanjani_nuke_threats_141201.htm

I realize Rafsanjani is no longer president of Iran and he is only an individual, but one has to worry that this sort of thinking isn't uncommon amongst the theocratic leadership of the country. Those people are primarily educated in religion, not science. I don't think they have a true appreciation of the consequences of a nuclear exchange.


The president of Iran does not have the power to launch a nuke. Only the supreme leader does, and he is educated enough to know the outcome. If you read more of the article it also quotes a commander who points out that the Palestinians would be wiped out if they did somethng like launch a nuke at Israel as another reason not to do it.

Like I have said a million times, Iranians are not suicidal.

Nope, but they are as gullible as your average American, or Iranian American PR guy....

The president of Iran does not have the power to launch a nuke. Only the supreme leader does, and he is educated enough to know the outcome. If you read more of the article it also quotes a commander who points out that the Palestinians would be wiped out if they did somethng like launch a nuke at Israel as another reason not to do it.

Like I have said a million times, Iranians are not suicidal.

I did read the article. You apparently need to a little more closely.

Rafsanjani, at the time this was declared, was the Chairman of the Assembly to Discern the Interests of the State. In other words, the second most powerful position in Iran (above that of the President in terms of actually being able to set policy). He outranked everyone else in the room, including the few who recognized that what he was saying was in effect advocating the murder of the Palestinians as well. He may, in fact, be next in line for Khameneh'i's position. You will also note that Khameneh'i did not publicly disavow or rebuke Rafsanjani's statement.

Khameneh'i himself only has a religious education (from the hawza of Mashhad). He knows diddly squat about the sciences. Highly educated my ass.

I did read the article. You apparently need to a little more closely.

Rafsanjani, at the time this was declared, was the Chairman of the Assembly to Discern the Interests of the State. In other words, the second most powerful position in Iran (above that of the President in terms of actually being able to set policy). He outranked everyone else in the room, including the few who recognized that what he was saying was in effect advocating the murder of the Palestinians as well. He may, in fact, be next in line for Khameneh'i's position. You will also note that Khameneh'i did not publicly disavow or rebuke Rafsanjani's statement.

Khameneh'i himself only has a religious education (from the hawza of Mashhad). He knows diddly squat about the sciences. Highly educated my ass.

You don't need a fucking degree to know the outcome of Nuclear war...

Nice side-step on everything Gulor pointed out, Jedd.

You and I don't, we've been spoonfed images of what happens in nuclear war via our liberal media since I was a little kid. You are too young to remember "duck and cover" nonsense, but I'm not.

The leadership of Iran, however, apparently has had no such detailed exposure. They have spent their lives steeped in religious studies where the afterlife is more important than this life and domestic politics. Otherwise Rafsanjani would not have spouted his bile as an indication of Iranian "State Interests" without rebuke in the first place. How could anyone advocate what he did if they had an inkling of just how bad it would be for everyone involved?

There are very many completely rational, sane and peace loving Iranians. We need them to be in power there, not the religious zealots currently in charge.

To be fair, I feel almost as worried about the current Israeli leadership. I have little confidence that Netanyahu won't go off the deep end and do something everyone will regret.

Nice side-step on everything Gulor pointed out, Jedd.

The Devil you say!!!

hmmm it's nice out, time for a pint or three of something dark??

You and I don't, we've been spoonfed images of what happens in nuclear war via our liberal media since I was a little kid. You are too young to remember "duck and cover" nonsense, but I'm not.

The leadership of Iran, however, apparently has had no such detailed exposure. They have spent their lives steeped in religious studies where the afterlife is more important than this life and domestic politics. Otherwise Rafsanjani would not have spouted his bile as an indication of Iranian "State Interests" without rebuke in the first place. How could anyone advocate what he did if they had an inkling of just how bad it would be for everyone involved?

There are very many completely rational, sane and peace loving Iranians. We need them to be in power there, not the religious zealots currently in charge.

To be fair, I feel almost as worried about the current Israeli leadership. I have little confidence that Netanyahu won't go off the deep end and do something everyone will regret.


They are both nuts, no argument there.

Iran needs a hard stomp and will not be allowed nukes. We should have never allowed Pak. to have them ;( We never "let" them have nukes, they chose not to sign the NPT and thus developed their own. And then, their national hero AQ Khan traded that technology to North Korea for missile technology (which was based on 70s Chinese technology (which was in turn based on 60s Soviet technology)).
Top U.S. officials recently made public concerns that Pakistan may be ramping up its nuclear weapons capability, despite a looming civil war. Now we have some visual evidence: Satellite imagery that appears to show the expansion of Pakistan’s plutonium production program and a possible increase in stocks of weapons-grade uranium.

{snip}

Among the findings: Pakistan appears to have increased its plutonium separation capability at a site near Rawalpindi. According to ISIS, the new construction seems to indicate that Pakistan will be increasing its supply of spent fuel from new heavy water reactors, providing the raw material for separating out fissile plutonium. The country is also apparently expanding a facility at Dera Ghazi Khan that produces uranium hexafluoride and uranium metal, two basic ingredients for producing the bomb.

{snip}

As ISIS notes, the Dera Ghazi Khan facility, or the nearby workers’ compound, “has been the target of at least one ground attack by more than a dozen gunmen, and nearby railway tracks have also been bombed.” Those attacks, the report notes, were likely carried out by Baloch separatists, not Taliban extremists, but the attacks underscore Pakistan’s fragile state.
http://www.wired.com/dangerroom/2009/05/sats-show-pakistan-super-sizing-its-nuclear-weapons-complex/
How do you instill organizational loyalty in an army if the nation-state you are defending has little legitimacy? Pakistan's answer was to use religion as a bonding agent and a focus on external "Godless" foes. As a result, the Pakistani army, within the ranks at least, doesn't see Taliban groups and their conservative form of the religion as an enemy. They see it as a social movement within which the army could coexist (even approve of). Further, what little legitimacy the army has been able to accrue via religion, would be lost if it undertook a bloody fight to oust the Taliban from their autonomous zones.
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2009/05/journal-pakistans-army.html
http://globalguerrillas.typepad.com/globalguerrillas/2009/04/pakistan-and-open-source-warfare.html

Pakistan is a mess. And the current trend to call the pile of mess "af-pak" is an attempt to conflate afghanistan and pakistan in the minds of Americans, so that a near-future war with Pakistan will be palatable to the domestic audience.
They have spent their lives steeped in religious studies where the afterlife is more important than this life and domestic politics. Except for the bit about "domestic politics," that sounds like you're talking about bush and cheney.

WTG, Chanur. All you have to do is post the words "Jew", "Israel", "Iran" or anything related to the ME and you get instant Jedd Corpse poo fling.

Just drive over to Jedd's house next time and light a paper bag full of shit on fire on his porch and ring the bell and thus spare the rest of us another pointless "I know you are but what am I" fest. He might not stamp the flaming bag of shit out but it would be just as useful a gesture. As for this thread and all others that preceeded and all others to follow:

Its been pretty well established now that there is a good chance that we will snuff ourselves out as a species over religion if anything. Stupid fucking Christians blowing up the fucking Muslims for killing the fucking Jews. All over non-tangible faith. So of course the posterchildren of Allah's fearless soldiers gotta have the big kaboom and the platform to deliver it to the Infidels.

FFS. We are a stupid species. Maybe we DO deserve to smoke ourselves.

'hmmm it's nice out, time for a pint or three of something dark??'

- No kidding, it's about a hundred degrees, and I'm home today... what is the acceptable time to start drinking in the morning? Before the yard-arm I guess?

'hmmm it's nice out, time for a pint or three of something dark??'

- No kidding, it's about a hundred degrees, and I'm home today... what is the acceptable time to start drinking in the morning? Before the yard-arm I guess?

Well, I never was part of the beer on corn flakes for breakfast crowd, but on my day off I usually consider 10:00am to be a good time to mix up some Bloody Marys. :D

*is on his third pint of cider* Oh it's gonna be one of them days.

is it a Dicken's Cider?

No, it's a Magners. With extra ice!

Feh if it's the holidays/weekend and you're working in the yard that's the right time despite what the clock indicates.

It's bank holiday weekend - but there's no 'work' involved. Of any kind.

Am I still OK?

Feh if it's the holidays/weekend and you're working in the yard that's the right time despite what the clock indicates.

I believe Fandros has the correct solution. Clock? What clock?

heh

One of Netanyahu's advisers said of Iran, "Think Amalek." The Bible says that the Amalekites were dedicated enemies of the Jewish people. In 1 Samuel 15, God says, "Go and smite Amalek, and utterly destroy all that they have, and spare them not; but slay both man and woman, infant and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and ass." Now, were the president of Iran and his advisers to have cited a religious text that gave divine sanction for the annihilation of an entire race, they would be called, well, messianic.

http://www.newsweek.com/id/199147?from=rss

Please read the entire article before responding to my choice of quotes :)

Cheney was advising Dubya of pretty much the same thing regarding Iran, yet we did not attack them.....guess advisors are not the final say in matters.