http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SuR65PxxVA

Notice how the Iranians sound on the radio... Nothing like the faked voice heard on CNN and Faux.

At the start one of the Iranians in Fasi sais "Shomarash Chande" Which means "What is its number"

Which consistent with their claims that they got close because the ships would not respond with their registration number, and they had to view it on the ship itself. They finally find the number and then call the ship by its number "Coalition warship 73"

Why would the conversation start nice and turn into a man sounding like Dracula threatening to blow up the warships?

Both the US and Iran released about 5 minutes of footage out of a 20 minute event.

Iran releases footage of PG naval check http://www.presstv.com/Images/video_icon.gif (mms://217.218.67.244/presstv/080110/OUTPUT_11-10-00-Teh-Navy%20Patrol.wmv)
Thu, 10 Jan 2008 11:15:18
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Iran releases the video of Sunday's maritime identification check in the Persian Gulf waters involving Iranian boats and US warships.

Iran's Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) says the US-released footage of the incident is fabricated and the audio of it is fake.

Brigadier General Ali Fadavi, an IRGC senior official, has said that the US vessels' registration numbers had been unreadable to the Iranian guards.

He added that the guards approached the US ships only to examine the numbers.

The Iranian footage also includes the original radio communication between the Iranian guards and the US warship.

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=38190&sectionid=351020101

Cmon Jedd...

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-01-10-voa12.cfm

Let us at least be partially rational in our thought process.

Cmon Jedd...

http://www.voanews.com/english/2008-01-10-voa12.cfm

Let us at least be partially rational in our thought process.

Excuse me?

So are you writing off the video evidence, along with the obvious audio difference and just pointing to more propaganda?

Did they even sound or look hostile?

The rest of the world can never prove innocence as long as we accept everything we here in America are fed.

FYI

There is no "International Waters" in the Straight of Hormuz, there is only Omani Water and Iranian.

The UNCLOS agreement which was never ratified by either Iran or the US states that any country has a right to pass through anothers waters as long as it is to get through to another body that is international waters.

The US and Iran both never ratified this agreement, which by the way still allows the country who's water it is to approach, and identify the passing ships without attacking them. Due to the fact that it must be determined that they are not hostile.

So even the radio signal the US sent out was a lie. They were NOT in International waters.

OH NO I MUST BE A TRAITOR FOR KNOWING AND/OR DARING TO BRING THIS UP!!!!!!!

OOPS

US doubts over Iran boat 'threat'

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Iran has described the incident as an "ordinary occurrence"
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/icons/video_text.gifIranian footage (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7180000/newsid_7180600?redirect=7180695.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&asb=1)

An alleged threat to blow up US warships "may not have come" from Iranian speedboats involved in a recent stand-off, the BBC has learned. The voice on a Pentagon tape could instead have come from another ship in the area or a transmitter on land, senior US Navy sources told the BBC.

The US has sent Iran a formal protest over Sunday's stand-off in the Strait of Hormuz.

Iran has accused the US of faking its video of the incident.

Conflicting accounts

Iranian state-run TV has broadcast a separate video of the stand-off, in which there is no sign of threatening behaviour by the Iranian patrols, thought to belong to the Revolutionary Guards.



http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/shared/img/o.gif http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/start_quote_rb.gif I am coming at you - you will explode in a couple of minutes http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/end_quote_rb.gif


Voice on US tape

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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/icons/audio_text.gifRadio communications (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7170000/newsid_7178100?redirect=7178170.stm&news=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&bbram=1&nbwm=1&asb=1)

But the four-minute clip does not appear to show the whole incident.

The US military said video and audio that it released confirmed its allegation that Iranian speedboats harassed US warships and threatened to blow them up in a radio communication.

"I am coming at you. You will explode in a couple of minutes," the Iranians said in a radio transmission, according to US officials.

Pentagon officials said the speedboats came within about 200m (650ft) of the US vessels.

US officials have described the actions of the speed boats as dangerous and provocative.

US sailors assumed battle stations and the captain on one of the ships was about to order an attack when the Iranian boats turned away, they said.

On Wednesday the US lodged a formal diplomatic complaint with the Iranian foreign ministry through the Swiss embassy in Tehran.

Doubts

The New York Times noted on Wednesday that the US-released audio includes no ambient noise of the kind that might be expected if the broadcast had come from on one of the speedboats.

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Pentagon officials said the voice heard in the video clip is not directly traceable to the Iranian military, but could still have come from a high quality radio on one of the small boats, the paper reported.

Iran described the incident as a routine contact which happens all the time in the crowded waters of the Gulf.

The Pentagon has insisted that the three US vessels - identified as navy cruiser USS Port Royal, destroyer USS Hopper and frigate USS Ingraham - were in international waters.

The confrontation has further inflamed tensions between arch-foes Iran and the United States.

US President George W Bush is currently on a tour of the Middle East which will tackle what the Americans see as the threat posed by Iran to regional stability.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7181929.stm

Does the Iranian Misinformation minister stick his hand in the back of your head, up your ass or directly through your spinal cord to have you speak/type/think as you do or what?

...stick his hand in the back of your head, up your ass...

Pos rep!

Does the Iranian Misinformation minister stick his hand in the back of your head, up your ass or directly through your spinal cord to have you speak/type/think as you do or what?

Whats funny is that I was the one that ended up being right, in that the information the US released was flawed...Keep barking old dog.

/guffaw

Right because Iran said so.

You silly twit, your mother was a hamster and your father reeked of Eldenberry wine.

I'm sorry man, I'm begining to see a pattern.

Not one person enjoys your diatrabes here, and you return for hourly beatings. Does this mean you feel you deserve a lil punishment for being less than a good citizen?

I counter your Utube video, with one that makes more sense....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk

I counter your Utube video, with one that makes more sense....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-3qncy5Qfk

And I counter all of them with Major Rob Riggle USMCR

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Wkw8-fV1-s

I am still awaiting some rationale as to why Iran's version is a guaranteed, untampered with report of the incident, and the American is the flawed one. Is it possible they are both accurate from the perspectives of those that were recording? With five boats, is it possible that only the one boat had a radio and means of recording what was going on? Is it possible that someone at one of those vaunted Iranian coastal defense missile batteries was also at a radio, sending a message, in an attempt to provoke an escalation (which could explain the lack of ambient sounds)?

I will never likely know, since I was not there nor do I know of anyone that was there to witness the entire event from both sides. Guess I will have to rely on Jedd to relay all the truthiness out of Iran, so I can be one up on everyone else listening to the evil American media.

I am still awaiting some rationale as to why Iran's version is a guaranteed, untampered with report of the incident, and the American is the flawed one.

Cause the Quran told him so?

:rolleyes:

Except Jedd isn't Muslim

I am still awaiting some rationale as to why Iran's version is a guaranteed, untampered with report of the incident, and the American is the flawed one. Is it possible they are both accurate from the perspectives of those that were recording? With five boats, is it possible that only the one boat had a radio and means of recording what was going on? Is it possible that someone at one of those vaunted Iranian coastal defense missile batteries was also at a radio, sending a message, in an attempt to provoke an escalation (which could explain the lack of ambient sounds)?

I will never likely know, since I was not there nor do I know of anyone that was there to witness the entire event from both sides. Guess I will have to rely on Jedd to relay all the truthiness out of Iran, so I can be one up on everyone else listening to the evil American media.

Lets put two and two together for the smart ones at Ayonae ro...

Iran releases video
America doubts Iran was threatening their ships
America lied about the voice and covered its ass OR America found out the voice couldn't have come from the speed boats CAUSE THERE WAS NO AMBIENT SOUND.. THE IRANIANS WERE ON SPEED BOATS!!!! IRANIANS ARE NOT ARABS... THEY SOUND SOFTSPOKEN WHEN SPEAKING ENGLISH WHERE AS ARABS HAVE DEEP VOICES.

I can't believe how hard it is for you guys to read between the lines.

Iran owned the US with the video, because now even the US is backpeddeling and admitting that the voice didn't come from the boats.

You wonder why I use the word lemmings?

It's easier to believe that Iran has a terrorist organization acting as part of their military trying to provoke a war between Iran and the US than it is for us to believe that the entire 5th Fleet was involved in some kind of conspiracy to do likewise.

Sorry, some Petty Officer who doesn't like Bush or getting shot at by Iran's apparently unavoidable million rockets would email someone at the NY Times asap with the details.

US-Iran stand-off not mere propaganda

By Paul Reynolds
World affairs correspondent BBC News website
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Aggressive behaviour or routine checking?
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http://newsimg.bbc.co.uk/nol/shared/img/v3/icons/video_text.gifUS and Iran footage (http://www.bbc.co.uk/mediaselector/check/player/nol/newsid_7180000/newsid_7180600?redirect=7180695.stm&news=1&nbwm=1&bbram=1&bbwm=1&nbram=1&asb=1)





The admission by the US Navy that Iranian speedboats might not have been the source of an apparent threat to attack American ships in the Gulf is a significant move that raises new fears about the chances of unintended clashes in the region.

It has worrying similarities with the incident in 1988 when, in the same Strait of Hormuz, the USS Vincennes shot down an Iranian civilian airliner, having failed to monitor the radio traffic properly.

The crew of the Vincennes became wrongly convinced that the airliner, an Airbus with 290 people on board, all of whom died, was an Iranian fighter jet.

The Iranian government said that the destruction of the plane was done in full knowledge of what it was.



'Scenario fulfilment'



The US government later suggested that one factor at play on the Vincennes was a condition called "scenario fulfilment" in which military personnel are under such pressure that they expect and then execute a particular scenario, as if in an exercise.

Whether the same expectation was at play in this latest incident is not clear.



What is clear is that there are grave doubts about who uttered the warning picked up by the US ships. A deep voice was heard to say: "I am coming at you. You will explode after a few minutes."



The video released by the US implied that the warning was part of a series of transmissions to the ships from the Iranian craft.

It turns out that the warning was added onto the video. It was a radio recording made separately.

Experts say it could have come from another ship in the area or from a radio transmitter on shore. The channel used by the Iranian vessels to make their inquiries is an open one.

Iranian version

The Iranians later issued their own video, in which one of their sailors, in a much higher and quite different voice from the one which issued the "warning", asks the US ships who they are and what course they are on.

He gets a dusty reply that the US vessels are in international waters.

The Iranian video does not show their boats buzzing close (200m or so) to the Americans.

The US said that in any case the Iranian speedboats acted aggressively. Iran's version is that this was a routine check by its sailors.

Beyond the propaganda

This goes beyond the back and forth of a propaganda battle, in which once again the Iranians show themselves to be masters.

It recalls the ease with which they ran rings round the Royal Navy when they captured British sailors and marines off Iraq last year, exposed them to damaging publicity before releasing them with handshakes by their president.

The real concern is that a possibly misread radio transmission should be at the heart of this incident, nearly 20 years after the Vincennes disaster.





Tensions between Iran and the US have diminished recently following the US National Intelligence Estimate that Iran is not building a nuclear weapon.

But there are still serious points of potential conflict between the two, with Iran always determined to exert its influence in what it insists on calling the Persian Gulf and the US maintaining strong naval forces there in international waters and in the waters of its Gulf Arab allies.

Iran is also subject to UN sanctions, having refused the demands of the Security Council to suspend its enrichment of uranium.




http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/7182637.stm

Hmm, Small boats buzzing about, and a threatening, cryptic message over an unsecure frequency.....

Would you :

A.Call battle stations, and ready your boat for attack.

B. Say aww, shucks, it's prolly just a misunderstanding. Those soft-spoken Iranians would never try to USS Cole us....

Hmm, Small boats buzzing about, and a threatening, cryptic message over an unsecure frequency.....

Would you :

A.Call battle stations, and ready your boat for attack.

B. Say aww, shucks, it's prolly just a misunderstanding. Those soft-spoken Iranians would never try to USS Cole us....

When did i say their response was wrong?

Simply the propaganda that ensued when a fake voice was either added, or when they accused them of being hostile later without even thinking about the fact that the voice had no ambient sound behind it and did not sound like the Iranians on the boats at all.

They obviously had been in contact with the Iranians before they got that message which the Iranian video also shows.

Do you honestly thing that after 20 minutes and the sound they played for us, the US navy would not have fired?

I would have expected them to after 20 minutes for sure.

I dunno Jedd, why don't you get into a small speed boat, and try to approach a U.S. naval vessel?

When they scoop you out of the water, we can get your side of what happened, if enough of you is left to carry a conversation with.

If they were in radio contact with the Iranians, then why was there a need to even approach the vessels?

/boggle

I dunno Jedd, why don't you get into a small speed boat, and try to approach a U.S. naval vessel?

When they scoop you out of the water, we can get your side of what happened, if enough of you is left to carry a conversation with.

If they were in radio contact with the Iranians, then why was there a need to even approach the vessels?

/boggle

Unfortunately the way it seems to work in the world is that when a vessel is in your waters you have the right to get as close as you want.

If Iranian boats were in our waters, i doubt the US would wonder if it was a good idea to approach them or not, and would just do it.

The problem is you are thinking of this impartially. Step out of the box, out of black and white and into the grey.

Iranian Waters... US vessels passing through. It is normal activity for Iranians to surround and investigate vessels in their waters before leaving them alone.

The US navy acted perfectly fine, as did the Iranians in this incident. The propaganda is what made this a big deal.

Actually I thought it was the radio message that made it big, espically if this is "normal behavior" on the part of the Iranians.

International waters are not Iran's waters.

Actually I thought it was the radio message that made it big, espically if this is "normal behavior" on the part of the Iranians.

However the Radio message wasn't from the Iranians... So what made it big now?

The issue here is either the voice was faked, seeing as how the voice was not on the same tape as the video when shown on tv... if you notice the voice was played after the footage was played, and was totally seperate from the video.

Or

The voice didn't come from the Iranian boats, and the reaction by the US to the media was irresponsible and is only good for furthering the Anti Iran Rhetoric, which nothing good can come out of.

International waters are not Iran's waters.

They were not in International Waters...

Shall i educate you AGAIN?

The 3 US vessels were in Iranian waters, however have the right to cross through Iranian waters to enter into the international waters in the Persian Gulf.

UNCLOS which makes it legal to enter another nations waters if it is the only way through to international waters, does not strip the nation from inspecting and determining the threat of the ships passing through.

AND once again... FYI

The US NEVER Ratified UNCLOS, therefore TECHNICALLY has no right to pass through Iranian waters to get to the gulf, though Iran allows it.

Believe it or not, the US does not have the right to determine what is International waters and what is not.

They were not in International Waters...

Shall i educate you AGAIN?

The 3 US vessels were in Iranian waters, however have the right to cross through Iranian waters to enter into the international waters in the Persian Gulf.

UNCLOS which makes it legal to enter another nations waters if it is the only way through to international waters, does not strip the nation from inspecting and determining the threat of the ships passing through.

AND once again... FYI

The US NEVER Ratified UNCLOS, therefore TECHNICALLY has no right to pass through Iranian waters to get to the gulf, though Iran allows it.

Believe it or not, the US does not have the right to determine what is International waters and what is not.

Yeah show me a map, b/c the one you showed me didn't prove shit :)

Yeah show me a map, b/c the one you showed me didn't prove shit :)

There are no International waters in the Straight of Hormuz Fildien. The shipping lanes are in Iranian water. As were the US ships in the Straight.

To give you an idea of how close the ships were to Iran.... They were about 12-15 miles off the Iranian coast.

Believe it or not, the US does not have the right to determine what is International waters and what is not.

Iran doesn't get to determine what is international waters either. The rest of the world says these are international waters...

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iran_strait_of_hormuz_2004.jpg

Iran doesn't get to determine what is international waters either. The rest of the world says these are international waters...

They have already agreed on Iranian waters... check my last post for the map.

How about you go look at a map of the Danube.

It's an international waterway. Agreed upon international standards that allow shipping to traverse through what would be traditionally territorial waters, while not always the case, does happen.

Your map also doesn't show where the US ships were, if this were the accepted territorial waters for UAE and Iran. True territorial waters only extend out 12 miles, not 12-15, so they couldn't have been in Iranian waters if they were 12-15 out. They could have been in an accepted Iranian economical zone, but that's somewhat different.

How about you go look at a map of the Danube.

It's an international waterway. Agreed upon international standards that allow shipping to traverse through what would be traditionally territorial waters, while not always the case, does happen.

Your map also doesn't show where the US ships were, if this were the accepted territorial waters for UAE and Iran. True territorial waters only extend out 12 miles, not 12-15, so they couldn't have been in Iranian waters if they were 12-15 out. They could have been in an accepted Iranian economical zone, but that's somewhat different.

Agree upon international standards in UNCLOS which were not Ratified by the UNITED STATES OF AMERICA OR IRAN.

Once again the US ships were ALLOWED to pass. The Iranians did not restrict them, but reserved the right to investigate all vessels in their waters, and they have a right by UNCLOS even if they had signed it to do so.

This holier then thou attitude that our ships have the right of way even in Iranian waters is hilarious.

US Navy withdraws claims against Iran
Fri, 11 Jan 2008 21:01:50

The US Navy withdraws the allegation that Iranian patrol boats had threatened to blow up a three-ship US convoy in the Hormuz Strait.

"It could have been a threat aimed at some other nation or a myriad of other things," The Washington Post quoted US Navy spokesman Rear Admiral Frank Thorp IV as saying on Friday.

This is while senior US Navy sources have told the BBC that an alleged threat to blow up the US warships 'may not have come' from Iranian boats in the Strait of Hormuz.

The Pentagon alleged five Iranian boats belonging to the Islamic Revolution Guards Corps (IRGC) had harassed three US Navy warships by threatening to 'blow them up' on Sunday.

"No one in the military has said that the transmission emanated from those boats," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell.

However, President Bush characterized the incident as 'provocative' and 'dangerous', warning Iran of serious consequences if it happens again.

Iranian officials have dismissed the allegation saying the incident was a routine maritime identification check, which is common between vessels in the Persian Gulf.

http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id...onid=351020101 (http://www.presstv.ir/detail.aspx?id=38370&sectionid=351020101)

So now they NEVER said it was the Iranians voice on the radio???

So now they NEVER said it was the Iranians voice on the radio???

Nice how well you spun that. I am unable to find anywhere in what you quoted anyone saying what you deduced from it.

You continue to amaze me with how deep-rooted your bias runs.

Nice how well you spun that. I am unable to find anywhere in what you quoted anyone saying what you deduced from it.

You continue to amaze me with how deep-rooted your bias runs.

"No one in the military has said that the transmission emanated from those boats," said Pentagon spokesman Geoff Morrell.

huh?

huh?

Huh what? Where in that statement does it say they NEVER said it was the Iranians? Read whatever you want into the statements, but when you post bullshit assumptions and try to spin it, you just look even sillier than usual.

You yourself have said these were small speedboats; just how small is the Iranian military, let alone the national population? I still wonder if it was someone at one of those missile batteries.....

Huh what? Where in that statement does it say they NEVER said it was the Iranians? Read whatever you want into the statements, but when you post bullshit assumptions and try to spin it, you just look even sillier than usual.

They said that they never said it was from the Iranian Boats... What are you smoking?

They said that they never said it was from the Iranian Boats... What are you smoking?

And you spun that by dropping boats and capitalizing that they NEVER said it was the Iranians, which completely changes the context.

And you spun that by dropping boats and capitalizing that they NEVER said it was the Iranians, which completely changes the context.

It however does not change the fact that they DID say it was the Iranian Boats...

Grasping at straws much?

Jedd you are completely hopeless.

From now on all facts from you are going to be ignored since you've seen fit to change facts to suit you.

Tool on COrpse...you're soon to be banned methinks.

Jedd you are completely hopeless.

From now on all facts from you are going to be ignored since you've seen fit to change facts to suit you.

Tool on COrpse...you're soon to be banned methinks.

Nice way to ignore the fact that OUR GOVERNMENT LIED AGAIN, and you ignored it. And you call yourself American... pfft

Oh I'm an American all right boobalah.

You on the other hand are naught but the byblow of a weird night of sex involving your father, a clown, 3 rather ugly midgets and some weird collection of diseased farm animals.

You lack the drive to actually take a stand on a subject without trying to speak from all sides of your face.

Infact I officially request you leave the boards here so we can continue our intelligent and often humorous debates.

You are the offal that stains the streets of many of your country of preference , Iran in the event that this exact moments persona has changed it's mind yet again...

Oh I'm an American all right boobalah.

You on the other hand are naught but the byblow of a weird night of sex involving your father, a clown, 3 rather ugly midgets and some weird collection of diseased farm animals.

You lack the drive to actually take a stand on a subject without trying to speak from all sides of your face.

Infact I officially request you leave the boards here so we can continue our intelligent and often humorous debates.

You are the offal that stains the streets of many of your country of preference , Iran in the event that this exact moments persona has changed it's mind yet again...

I love getting people like you to this point... To the point where not even facts can be refuted, to the point where you are so backed in a corner so against realizing you were wrong and I was right, that you call for me to leave the boards.

This is why the worlds hates us, because of this mentality that you and many others show here, this mentality that America can do no wrong, but even if she does... Its alright ;)

You have proven constantly that you cannot debate worth a shit, because instead of actually accepting facts and discussing what they mean, you belittle your opponent with insults and fancy wordplay.

Fandros you are nothing to me, just some shit living in Utah that I will have the pleasure of never meeting.

Keep talking Grandpa, You have already shown that you cannot even prove that 2+2=4

You inbred dork, you can't be debated with because you are a horrible debater.

1) You'll actually change facts in a link to support your claim.
2) You change your position to keep the hate going towards yourself (I suspect you do this out of guilt for being worthless to the country sadly stuck with you atm)
3) You duck and cover when real facts are thrown at you.

And you are correct boy, if you ever met it wouldn't be a pleasure for you at all ;)

You inbred dork, you can't be debated with because you are a horrible debater.

Wait a minute, arent you the inbred one redneck?

1) You'll actually change facts in a link to support your claim.

WRONG... every once in a goddamn long while i will mistakingly leave out something that would add more detail like in the Iranian boat case, seeing as how I know what i am talking about, the only issue I have is that sometimes i forget that you have no goddamn clue, so i clarify when asked.

2) You change your position to keep the hate going towards yourself (I suspect you do this out of guilt for being worthless to the country sadly stuck with you atm)

I HAVE NEVER CHANGED MY POSITION ON ANYTHING THAT I POSTED UNLESS I REALIZED I WAS WRONG AND ACCEPTED THE FACT.

3) You duck and cover when real facts are thrown at you.

LOL REAL FACTS? I never duck and cover, I never run from answering a question or responding to facts. I will always respond and have... Why the fuck do you think I have so many damn posts on these forums... Half of them are responding to "Facts"


And you are correct boy, if you ever met it wouldn't be a pleasure for you at all ;)

Ooooh so tough behind the computer...

Oh I'm an American all right boobalah.

You on the other hand are naught but the byblow of a weird night of sex involving your father, a clown, 3 rather ugly midgets and some weird collection of diseased farm animals.

You lack the drive to actually take a stand on a subject without trying to speak from all sides of your face.

Infact I officially request you leave the boards here so we can continue our intelligent and often humorous debates.

You are the offal that stains the streets of many of your country of preference , Iran in the event that this exact moments persona has changed it's mind yet again...



Oh thats rep worthy, I'll have to spread some more around before I can give you a nudge, then I can sink Jedd. Jesus he should be baried in red by now....hes a Iranian Spy...I hate all this discussion about Iran. They are a little piss ass little country, that really no one likes. Why talk about it day after day after day. FUCK IRAN!

Oh thats rep worthy, I'll have to spread some more around before I can give you a nudge, then I can sink Jedd. Jesus he should be baried in red by now....hes a Iranian Spy...I hate all this discussion about Iran. They are a little piss ass little country, that really no one likes. Why talk about it day after day after day. FUCK IRAN!

Guess what.. that little piss ass country has enough support that if we attack them we will have to do it from goddamn carriers cause no country will let us use them as a staging ground against them... Stay nice and comfortable in your America wins for life bubble, too bad you don't see what is REALLY going on in the world.

This board has completely gone to shit.

Someone please educate me on this whole incident. From what I've been able to gather, we said the voices came from those boats, and now we are saying we never said that (We've always been at war with Oceania, amirite?). Someone explain to me how this is not the case.

Also, I think a lot of you could stand to take a highschool level course in debate. These immature attacks make you look fucking retarded, not witty or clever or whatever the hell you think you're being. You attack Jedd for his nationalism, but most of you exhibit the exact same tendencies. When something happens in the world, I don't need to read the posts by Akipt, Fandros, Sixee, etc, to know exactly what you're going to say. You've become far too predictable to ever be given any serious thought.

P.S. I really hope America ceases to be a hegemonic power soon. The world is bigger than your backyard, fucking realize this for Christ's sake.

Ain bud, I'm confused.

Why bother opening my posts if you find me so repulsive?

You haven't read the entire exchange twixt Jedd and I, you didn't see his rather immature PM to me when I pushed him over the edge.

I object often to many things about our gov....apparently you only pay attention if Kelraz is about leading you once again.

Look bud, if you dislike what I post just ignore me and I'll do the same in honor of our shared guild tag. I actually think pretty highly of ya ;)

If you don't give a damn visit crochetasweater.com and relax!!

Guess what.. that little piss ass country has enough support that if we attack them we will have to do it from goddamn carriers cause no country will let us use them as a staging ground against them... Stay nice and comfortable in your America wins for life bubble, too bad you don't see what is REALLY going on in the world.

Actually the support your country celebrates is nothing compared to NATO. China is now realizing they have extended their credit world wide and Russia isn't the Russia of old.

It won't come to that boobalah, eventually the intelligent middle class of Iran will rise up and throw your beloved government out.

My gal says I should take it easy on you, you show signs of stress and various forms mental distress.

I really don't want to lead to you doing something stupid.

Breath man and leave...this thread, these boards and yes this country.

Actually the support your country celebrates is nothing compared to NATO. China is now realizing they have extended their credit world wide and Russia isn't the Russia of old.

It won't come to that boobalah, eventually the intelligent middle class of Iran will rise up and throw your beloved government out.

My gal says I should take it easy on you, you show signs of stress and various forms mental distress.

I really don't want to lead to you doing something stupid.

Breath man and leave...this thread, these boards and yes this country.

Fandros... It is agreed upon by most that any threat of war, let alone war will more unite the Iranian people with their government, then seperate them.

It has been shown that the Iranian people in times of an outside threat forget their problems with each other or their government and band together to defend their country.

If it was our goal for the Iranian people to rise up and take their country away from the oppressive government, then we would be best to leave them alone, remove the threat that bands them together and watch as they move towards major reforms.

And no, no, and no :)

Methinks yes yes and soon....

Band together eh? Latest reports show much unrest within and without (your family being an example as they fled instead of fight)

I'll leave the question of your political devoutness aside. We can agree to disagree.

What I'm tired of reading is the same tired old bullshit between Jedd, you, and whoever else jumps on the Jedd-hate bandwagon. You can't even begin to call yourself a good debater when you can't even adhere to the most simple rule of debate - argue against the argument, not the person! I've long since ceased to be impressed by your uncanny ability to find the most archaic ways to call someone retarded.

You give Jedd shit for being mentally unstable, why? Because he has different political views. You are a 40+ year old adult. You still have not learned how to respect people with different views? I completely disagree with probably every political philosophy you subscribe to, but I'd never get angry over it. Even in your addressing of me you have to throw in petty bullshit about Kelraz leading me around, whatever the hell that means. Act your age.

EDIT: I believe that it would be a good idea to ban personal attacks from RL:NAG. If you want to sling dirt we have two places for that - NAG and the Sandbox. I come here to read about and see discussion on current events. I'm getting tired of weeding through every post trying to find a nugget of sensibility amongst all the bullshit. If you can't make an argument with attacking someone personally then just don't make it at all.

This holier then thou attitude that our ships have the right of way even in Iranian waters is hilarious.

The problem, dumbass, is that even the Iranian Military quoted in the other thread in their press release said the American ships were "ABOUT TO" enter Iranian waters, and were still in International waters.

But you have even managed to spin that around to how you wish to see it. You are becoming a bigger joke with each thread. It embarrasses me that I once was in agreement with some of your talking points regarding Iran.

Methinks yes yes and soon....

Band together eh? Latest reports show much unrest within and without (your family being an example as they fled instead of fight)

Your latest reports are bullshit, and i challenge you to post evidence to your claim.

The problem, dumbass, is that even the Iranian Military quoted in the other thread in their press release said the American ships were "ABOUT TO" enter Iranian waters, and were still in International waters.

But you have even managed to spin that around to how you wish to see it. You are becoming a bigger joke with each thread. It embarrasses me that I once was in agreement with some of your talking points regarding Iran.

Let me make this easier for you to understand.

Nothing happened that was out of the ordinary.

I spun this about as much as you spun the fact that the voices didn't come from the Iranian boats. There were 5000 Iranian reports calling that this happened in the Iranian Waters, and 1 in a US news article that quoted them as saying it was in International waters... You expect me to cecede to you over 1 fucking article when i have been reading everything to the contrary?

Let me make this easier for you to understand.

Nothing happened that was out of the ordinary.


Thank you for confirming what I just posted. You take what you wish to read and make that your argument, completely disregarding the rest of the post or article, and it's context. This is what we often see in people who have been taken in by cults and brainwashed to a tunnel-vision way of viewing the world around them; they only see what they wish to see, to justify their beliefs.

Thank you for confirming what I just posted. You take what you wish to read and make that your argument, completely disregarding the rest of the post or article, and it's context. This is what we often see in people who have been taken in by cults and brainwashed to a tunnel-vision way of viewing the world around them; they only see what they wish to see, to justify their beliefs.

See the red?

That is you and your America is always right fanboys.

Let me make this easier for you to understand.

Nothing happened that was out of the ordinary.

I spun this about as much as you spun the fact that the voices didn't come from the Iranian boats. There were 5000 Iranian reports calling that this happened in the Iranian Waters, and 1 in a US news article that quoted them as saying it was in International waters... You expect me to cecede to you over 1 fucking article when i have been reading everything to the contrary?

Ummm, you are the one who quoted the article with the Iranian military saying it was international waters, jedd. How fucking mixed up is that head of yours?

I think you should go see someone for some medication or something, because the road you have set yourself on is steadily winding in a downward spiral; you are now posting quotes to support your positions that you then argue against.

Ummm, you are the one who quoted the article with the Iranian military saying it was international waters, jedd. How fucking mixed up is that head of yours?

I think you should go see someone for some medication or something, because the road you have set yourself on is steadily winding in a downward spiral; you are now posting quotes to support your positions that you then argue against.

NEGATIVE it was a quote from the TIMES, which i DID not post.

Perhaps you are the damn confused one needing medication you asshole...


Quote:
I still don't see how circling the vessels while in your own waters while communicating is an aggressive act.
Perhaps your Revolutionary Guard officials didn't get that line of spin.

http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...=la-home-center (http://www.latimes.com/news/nationworld/world/la-fg-iran8jan08,0,7610536.story?coll=la-home-center)

Quote:
An official in the Revolutionary Guard who was quoted by the semiofficial Fars News Agency downplayed the incident as a routine encounter in the cramped waterways of the gulf.

"Three U.S. boats were about to enter Iranian waters and they were questioned normally," the official said, according to the report, which did not disclose his name.

"Nothing important happened between the Revolutionary Guards and the American boats in international waters. The Americans were identified and everything went well."

FROM AKIPT!

And to once again show you EXACTLY HOW RIGHT I AM... FROM CNN

http://i.a.cnn.net/cnn/interactive/world/0801/map.hormuz/map.hormuz.gif

http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/meast/01/10/iran.boats/index.html#cnnSTCOther1

http://www.lib.utexas.edu/maps/middle_east_and_asia/iran_strait_of_hormuz_2004.jpg

Looks like another incident in the gulf.

http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?i...onid=351020101 (http://www.presstv.com/detail.aspx?id=51220&sectionid=351020101)


CNN: Iran, US confront in Persian Gulf
Fri, 11 Apr 2008 20:58:13
Iranian boats have reportedly engaged in a 'mild' and 'taunting' confrontation with a warship, belonging to the US Navy, in the Persian Gulf.

Three small Iranian boats approached the USS Typhoon late Thursday, CNN television reported on Friday.

"One of those Iranian boats coming within 200 yards of the navy boat leading the crew onboard the 'Typhoon' to fire a warning flare," it added.

Iran's Foreign Ministry did not comment on the incident.

In January the US Navy and the Pentagon accused Iranian speedboats of 'harassing' and 'provoking' US warships in the Strait of Hormuz. However, it became apparent that the incident was merely a normal identification process.

MT/MMN

The speed boats need to get close to identify the big US vessels? What do they mean "indenification process"? They could not use binaculors?

To me if you are going to go out there in a small speed boat in that place with big ships you can liken it to a squirrel running around a bunch of big bears....just not a good idea for health purposes.

The speed boats need to get close to identify the big US vessels? What do they mean "indenification process"? They could not use binaculors?

To me if you are going to go out there in a small speed boat in that place with big ships you can liken it to a squirrel running around a bunch of big bears....just not a good idea for health purposes.

I think its obvious why they do it...

I'd say 2 reasons..

1- To show that they are not afraid
2- To show that we are being watched at all times

The identification process is mostly just an excuse, yet they are well within their bounds to approach any vessel in their waters. They are thus probably not really afraid because they feel that it is our vessels in their waters and they would never be fired upon.

Hope that remains true :(

Man just reread this old thread... I really wtfpwned all you guys in this one!