http://www.dvorak.org/blog/2009/08/12/special-report-is-us-chief-information-officer-cio-vivek-kundra-a-phony/

Reminds me of Bush's unqualified FEMA head during Katrina.

# 45 Five Finger Discount said, on August 12th, 2009 at 9:16 am

But they both are knowing Java!

Yes.. its just like putting someone who was a horse trainer in charge of saving peoples lives.

Just like it.


Kundra served as Director of Infrastructure Technology for Arlington County, Virginia. Within nine months after taking the post on September 11, 2001, he built the first high-speed municipal I-Net in the country.

Governor Timothy M. Kaine appointed Kundra Assistant Secretary of Commerce and Technology for the Commonwealth of Virginia, the first dual cabinet role in the state's history. Kundra developed technology innovations to streamline government and enhance business opportunity. [12]

Prior to his appointment as CIO, Mr. Kundra advised President Barack Obama's transition committee on technology issues and served on Mayor Adrian Fenty's cabinet as the Chief Technology Officer (CTO) for the District of Columbia. [1] In this capacity, he was recognized for his work in developing programs to spur open source and crowdsourced applications using publicly accessible Web services from the District of Columbia with an initiative called Apps for Democracy. The contest yielded 47 web, iPhone and Facebook applications from residents in 30 days, resulting in a $2.3 million value to the city at a cost of $50,000. [13] Kundra's efforts to use cloud-based Web applications in the District government have also been considered innovative within government.[14]


thanks for playing.
http://www.appscout.com/2009/08/so_far_us_cto_vivek_kundra_che.php

the University of Maryland University College, however, has confirmed to me that Kundra did in fact receive a Master of Science (MS) degree in information systems management in 2001,
The University of Maryland (University College) also confirms that Kundra taught IFSM 498F, "Information Technology Infrastructure of E-Commerce," for UMUC as an adjunct faculty member in fall 2001,a university spokesman said in an email.

that seriously took all of 3 mins.

Did you seriously just copy/paste from Wikipedia as evidence of his credentials, when that "evidence" itself is what's been questioned? Just when I thought I'd seen it all here.

Your stupid fucking article has been debunked.

Sit down.

LOL but Wiki is FACT b/c it's on the net!

Dumbass shit like this isnt worth doing putting any more time than c/p from wikipedia. But yea.. I guess its not as good as some random fucking blogger that can't do basic research and is debunked 30 seconds after he invents some shit to post.

the answer fits the question.

You think John C. Dvorak is "some random blogger" and you're trying to talk about a CIO position? Are you trolling on purpose?

I'm afraid the number of times Sanchek has been wrong in his life just doubled :(

Because the big secret is I'm actually John C. Dvorak!

No.. you are right.. with a random blogger, you might have had to work pretty hard to find a bigger dipshit and taken the chance they werent an asshat.

Dvorak is a GREAT marketer of himself.. but can you honestly say he is respected?

no bias for him btw eh?
http://www.mevio.com/shows/?mode=detail&episode_id=121812
(FF to about 45 mins)

This week's show talked about the Olympics, etc. But they also talked about the current state of the race and John C. Dvorak talked about why he thinks Obama isn't going to win the election in November. He basically talks about the "arrogance" of Obama, that he has already won and will win. He also asks if Obama ever worked a day in his life and if he is "ready" to lead this country if he has never held a job. He also said that, in the end, people will vote for "old guy" John McCain because of the last two "baby boomer" Presidents screwing things up. And the last thing he brought up was about how people shouldn't vote for a candidate for President because "he represents change". You basically have to fast forward to around 45 minutes into the podcast

No.. hes a fucking genius..

And who the fuck cares what he knows about technology.. he is a shitty, shitty reporter, who failed to uncover basic information about what he was talking about, while it took a competent person all of 30 mins to completely shred his allegations.

Dvorak: THIS GUY DOESNT HAVE THE DEGREE HE SAID HE DOES BECAUSE I COULDNT FIND IT!!!

+meanwhile a reporter calls the University.
University: No.. he has a degree from here, and he taught a class

Dvorak: BUT THE BUBBLE 2.0!

Where's the "shredding"? All I've seen is you freaking out with tellingly expletive laced posts, some Wikipedia copy-paste work, and a link to what actually is some random blogger. All that's missing is a goofy MS Paint misdirection.

Meanwhile, if the CIO of the United States uses his crappy $60k/year one-man company as a CEO position on his resume, I need to fluff mine up with "Chief Mommy Email Problems Troubleshooting Director"!

If you read freaking out.. that may just be you projecting. Calm the fuck down dude.

Meanwhile, if the CIO of the United States uses his crappy $60k/year one-man company as a CEO position on his resume, I need to fluff mine up with "Chief Mommy Email Problems Troubleshooting Director"!

yes.. meanwhile.. meanwhile the accuser has already been shown to be full of shit. There is no meanwhile.
He accused him of not graduating from the college he said he did. Thats fraud. Thats a serious allegation.
And its bullshit. And so is Dvorak.. And there went the last leg of your stool.

You literally didn't even read the entire story, did you? You got far enough to Google for some "random blogger" rebuttal and started posting.

I feel like I'm watching Trikki post another chain letter.

You literally didn't even read the entire story, did you? You got far enough to Google for some "random blogger" rebuttal and started posting.


Keep dancing the Fail dance.

Faster! Faster!

If you can't manage to read beyond the first couple paragraphs, how in the world can we have any rational debate about anything here?

need a hug?

Look, I can speak your language:

http://ayonae.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=428&stc=1&d=1250127621

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

You want rational debate? Great.. wonderful...

But when you start off the thread comparing the appointment of Kundra of Brown to FEMA.. where his gross incompetence cause people to die... to the guy who runs Whitehouse.gov, then you know what? Fuck off.

Its beyond ridiculous.. its insulting. Its lacks any sense of perspective or common sense. Its intellectually dishonest to its core and for me to engage such a moronic assertion with anything but the full brunt of the mockery it so deserves would lend the slightest grain of legitimacy which it in no way warrants.

Try again. This time leave out the full dose of retard.

If you want to dig into full hyperbole to avoid discussion about the nepotism and shaky qualifications here, that's your prerogative. Don't pretend that it's the only possible interpretation and therefore you had no choice and were forced to run off to crazy-land though.

Personally, I thought it was quite clear that the comparison would be their qualifications, since Kundra hasn't had a chance to screw much up yet.

This is quickly becoming your M.O. anytime Obamaland is questioned. It's hardly as if I'm alone in being unimpressed thus far:

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_total_approval_graphics/august_2009/obama_total_approval_august_12_2009/239821-1-eng-US/obama_total_approval_august_12_2009.jpg

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/var/plain/storage/images/media/obama_index_graphics/august_2009/obama_index_august_12_2009/239818-1-eng-US/obama_index_august_12_2009.jpg

Wow Rassmussen?

Cool!

http://tpmdc.talkingpointsmemo.com/2009/07/the-rasmussen-presidential-approval-index-is-this-newer-measurement-worth-anything.php

Pick your poll. The particular numbers vary slightly, but not the trend.

Way to prove that all you look at is the pictures though. :)

Can we get some pictures of breasts or like, monster trucks or space ships, if you're going that route?

lets try this so you can try a coherent argument

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/jobapproval-obama.php

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-obama.php

http://www.pollster.com/polls/us/fav-romney.php

So, um, like I said, the same trend? It's certainly no secret that Obama's ratings are not doing very well.

Do the dots make it more coherent?

What the hell does all Obama's approval ratings have to do with you posting a page straight out of Trikki's inbox and getting called out for it (like you would to anyone else here)?

The only part of the entire article that stands out to me as something to worry about is the $18 million to develop a website, and while I'd think that price tag is 17.9 million too much its hardly an earth shattering realization that the government likes to spend too much for mundane items and given Mr. Dcorak's track record for getting things factually correct in his post ... I can't help but wonder how wrong that figure is, as well.

You have nobody to blame but yourself.

You want rational debate? Great.. wonderful...

But when you start off the thread comparing the appointment of Kundra of Brown to FEMA.. where his gross incompetence cause people to die... to the guy who runs Whitehouse.gov, then you know what? ...

What the hell does all Obama's approval ratings have to do with you posting a page straight out of Trikki's inbox and getting called out for it (like you would to anyone else here).

Ask L2. He's the one that decided to ignore everything but the picture, as usual. I'd love to actually talk about something other than quotes from Wikipedia and silly all caps inanities.

Seems you can't post anything not 100% pro-Obama here the past couple weeks without a few people freaking out though. /shrug.

/snarky_laugh on


/snarky_laugh off

Its just push back.

there are so many whacked out, moronic misinformed pieces being put here that my response attempts to push it out of crazy town into reality.

Re Polling:
One thing I DO know alot about is polling.

First.. flawed methodology aside.. who pays for the Ras daily approval tracking?
Nobody.. he does it sans gratis.
Why most people may ask.. because he wants to get his name out there and he wants to gain clientele for his core business, specialized internal polling. Which he does charge for, handsomely. Now he has to straddle the line between conducting a poll that will get him on Hannity or back on Micheal Savages show, and one that is so obvious skewed that it becomes a laughingstock and he loses credibility. Scott Rasmussen is trying to set himself as the go to guy for the right.. he is carving out a marketshare. Its smart business. And Scott is a good businessman.

Believe me.. as far as the for profit pollsters go.. there is only one publicly released poll they take seriously and do everything they can to make it as accurate as possible. That is the final Presidential Poll. Their reputation hangs on that call every year. These other polls.. taken Gallup, Ras, Zogby... any of them.. take them with a grain of salt and understand they are free advertising. Hey.. want the banner on Drudge? Show a downward Obama approval poll.

The other interesting thing to notice is to look at not just the job Approval rating... but look at the personal favorability rating. Thats the really important one because that is Obamas ceiling. The job approval rating is going to swing drastically around... Economy, current brewhahas, omg my single issue didnt get love this week.. blah, blah, blah. It moves and it is fluid.

But the bottom line is either you like someone or you don't. The headlines of the day may change, but it will always come back to that number. Likability is not fluid and is very hard to move up if it swings down.

The third thing to look at.. and thats why I included the Romney numbers, as the odds on 2012 republican nominee at this point, is to show that Obama is popular/unpopular compared to what? There is a tide of dissatisfaction that is lowering all boats. Check out the Republican job approval ratings.

All that aside.. Obama remains far and away the most popular and liked political figure in the country. His JAR can bounce up and down, but the ceiling is known. If his personal numbers start to drop and go below 50%... then ill say.. "Yup, he is in trouble"...

And finally.. I don't knee jerk defend.. but the attacks and accusations have been so patently stupid that it makes it seem like common sense is a partisan defense... its crazy town.

As an edit..
I propose that Pollster.com becomes the official poll of this board. So at least we can all work off the same set of numbers and use what is probably the closest to fact.

Honestly, this is why I don't even come here much anymore to discuss or read topics on politics. It's sad when a flame board has better discussion than here :( I come here for tech info and the movie board. This real life section is a joke these days.

Its not that bad.

Is L2 really throwing a hissy so soon after being shown he's too hyped up about the Cash for clunkers thing and clearly didn't understand the source material or definitions.

man, calm down and recognize...towing the party line has you a bit in a froth.

Irony...

Tis strong today

Well, this last set of elections has me more moderate than ever. Seems to happen every 2 years. I become more and more center, finding little to identify with either party.

Hell, just as I said the Democrats are grasping defeat from the jaws of victory, turning into the rabid self centered politicians they always were.

Meanwhile the Republicans still can't pull themselves to their roots and quit letting the power fringe control it.

blah, just fun watching L2 tow the party line after years of him bitching at others for doing the same.

Seems the older folks get, after 30?, the more center they generally become. Unless they themselves are politicians then of course watch out!!

Look.. Im not towing any party line.

Im probably one the least ideological people here. Im a pure pragmatist and a realist in terms of foreign and domestic issues.

I looked at TARP and the Stimulus and I ask myself.. whats the other choice? To let it all burn down? How much needs to be sacrificed on the altar of ideology?
I could give a flying shit about the public option in terms of health care.. I want to see stuff done. I want to see stuff that works and I really don't care where it comes from.

I fundamentally disagree with Sanchek about a few things, as a result we just see the world differently. We arent going to agree about alot. I don't mind that. I understand it. But what I start ripping is intellectual dishonesty. Trying to perform optical illusions with facts or stories... the very premise of this post, that somehow this website dude is in the same catagory as Brown and Katrina is rooted in dishonesty.. and attempt to manipulate facts in order to try to achieve an ulterior point. I know San is an independant and definitly not a mainstream republican.. but I push back against him as hard as I do because if I want better debate, I cant sit back and allow straight manipulative bullshit to go unanswered.. Its physics
http://www.glenbrook.k12.il.us/gbssci/phys/Class/momentum/u4l1b3.gif
If you want to stop something.. push back with greater force.

What im watching isnt debate... its political vandalism. Its destroy for the sake of destruction. Its destroy because they have nothing left and want to see it all burn.

I see alot about this group "the Family"... politicans who believe that common morality doesnt apply to them because they have been chosen by God to lead. Lie, cheat, steal... the ends justify their power.. Deus Vult. And I see that line of thinking in the opposition... Obama death panels? Marxism? Just lie to get what you want. Bring it all down.

My rule of thumb with the republicans is that whatever they are.. they accuse the otherside of being.. e.g. Obama is a racist.
I see that never more clearly than with the Obama as Joker. "Some people just want to see the world burn"

What im watching isnt debate... its political vandalism. Its destroy for the sake of destruction. Its destroy because they have nothing left and want to see it all burn.




Damn, that is so true on so many fronts. Well said.

As an aside: It's Toeing the line, a reference to a military command used in the training environment. When given the command "Toe the line", the recruits stand on line, toes placed on the line for inspection, usually right before lights out in the barracks. The similarity between recruits standing on line together and political party members standing on the same line together is obvious. But FFS it's toeing, not towing.

Have a nice day.

I tow lines all the time out in the bay at Netarts!

I wish I could hate you to death Malse :p

Political vandelism. Good stuff.

Well, its dead on. If the Republican party, for lack of offering any better solution, allow it all to come crashing down, then in 2012 the Republicans can ride in to save the day. Then they would not even have to come up with anything new. No bright ideas. No progressive forward momentum. Their same old schtick actually comes viable when offered, as something is better then nothing. Heck there is even a potential for running into the negative if some of these goons get their way. Its politics with the people caught in the middle. Again, our representatives fail to see the big picture. Or is it we that fail to see the big picture and we just allow these politicians to run roughshod because we let them through indifference or petty bickering?

Well, whatever. All the cool kids have already posted, armed with all these facts, figures, and citations that really don't mean shit. More fluff to read to waste time vis a vis of what our leadership probably does. Lets all write position papers full of garbage that take so much time to read that there is seldom ever any time to actually take anything meaningful from it (that is debase and debunk and then use whats left over), and thus make a decision. This topic should now die a fitting death. A good reflection of our political system in action.

Elemak , throwing in with good military common sense. Go fetch me a yard of flight line, grab me a left handed monkey wrench and hell build a bridge and get over that thar river while yer at it.

Lord man, if I wanted a damn grammar/spelling/semantic nazi I'd stick with friends closer to home.

Correcting others over such in such a thread is just silly. I know you have better things to do!!

Go fetch me some gig line, a board stretcher and sign this ID10-T form afterwords.

Bucket of Rotor Wash, as well!

I guess I'm just as guilty as "The Masses", because I've taken the stance of waiting to see how this will all turn out.

Obama wants to reform Health Care? He says it's the key to restarting the Economy <TM>? Fine by me. Let's see if he can pull a rabbit out of the hat.

Bucket of Rotor Wash, as well!




So says the crew chief.

Its just push back.

there are so many whacked out, moronic misinformed pieces being put here that my response attempts to push it out of crazy town into reality.

Re Polling:
One thing I DO know alot about is polling.

First.. flawed methodology aside.. who pays for the Ras daily approval tracking?
Nobody.. he does it sans gratis.
Why most people may ask.. because he wants to get his name out there and he wants to gain clientele for his core business, specialized internal polling. Which he does charge for, handsomely. Now he has to straddle the line between conducting a poll that will get him on Hannity or back on Micheal Savages show, and one that is so obvious skewed that it becomes a laughingstock and he loses credibility. Scott Rasmussen is trying to set himself as the go to guy for the right.. he is carving out a marketshare. Its smart business. And Scott is a good businessman.

Believe me.. as far as the for profit pollsters go.. there is only one publicly released poll they take seriously and do everything they can to make it as accurate as possible. That is the final Presidential Poll. Their reputation hangs on that call every year. These other polls.. taken Gallup, Ras, Zogby... any of them.. take them with a grain of salt and understand they are free advertising. Hey.. want the banner on Drudge? Show a downward Obama approval poll.

The other interesting thing to notice is to look at not just the job Approval rating... but look at the personal favorability rating. Thats the really important one because that is Obamas ceiling. The job approval rating is going to swing drastically around... Economy, current brewhahas, omg my single issue didnt get love this week.. blah, blah, blah. It moves and it is fluid.

But the bottom line is either you like someone or you don't. The headlines of the day may change, but it will always come back to that number. Likability is not fluid and is very hard to move up if it swings down.

The third thing to look at.. and thats why I included the Romney numbers, as the odds on 2012 republican nominee at this point, is to show that Obama is popular/unpopular compared to what? There is a tide of dissatisfaction that is lowering all boats. Check out the Republican job approval ratings.

All that aside.. Obama remains far and away the most popular and liked political figure in the country. His JAR can bounce up and down, but the ceiling is known. If his personal numbers start to drop and go below 50%... then ill say.. "Yup, he is in trouble"...

And finally.. I don't knee jerk defend.. but the attacks and accusations have been so patently stupid that it makes it seem like common sense is a partisan defense... its crazy town.

As an edit..
I propose that Pollster.com becomes the official poll of this board. So at least we can all work off the same set of numbers and use what is probably the closest to fact.

I think your entire post there pretty well sums up the problem I've had with Obama from the start: it's unabashedly about "liking" him. No better than the people who voted for Bush because they'd like to have a beer with him, just flipped to the opposite pole.

As far as polls go, trying to pick an "accurate" one is a fool's errand anyway. The trend is the only information of value in those things.

I fundamentally disagree with Sanchek about a few things, as a result we just see the world differently. We arent going to agree about alot. I don't mind that. I understand it. But what I start ripping is intellectual dishonesty. Trying to perform optical illusions with facts or stories... the very premise of this post, that somehow this website dude is in the same catagory as Brown and Katrina is rooted in dishonesty.. and attempt to manipulate facts in order to try to achieve an ulterior point. I know San is an independant and definitly not a mainstream republican.. but I push back against him as hard as I do because if I want better debate, I cant sit back and allow straight manipulative bullshit to go unanswered.. Its physics

If you want better debate with me, then debate me. Lately, you've been quoting my posts, but debating Ron Paul or Glen Beck's views on what we're talking about; even when I obviously don't share them.

What im watching isnt debate... its political vandalism. Its destroy for the sake of destruction. Its destroy because they have nothing left and want to see it all burn.

You're probably right about that to some extent. Of course, both sides engage in this as control swings back and forth. You're wrong to assume bad faith and Right-wing extremism in anything that isn't pro-Obama though.

I genuinely started with a wait-and-see, somewhat hopefully attitude toward this administration. If you look back at my posts here over the past few months, you'll see that clearly.

However, it's becoming more and more obvious that this is more of the same. Since he was so emphatic about surrounding himself with good advisers to make up for his lack of experience, I definitely don't think it's "vandalism" to take a close look at these people he's chosen.

If you want better debate with me, then debate me. Lately, you've been quoting my posts, but debating Ron Paul or Glen Beck's views on what we're talking about; even when I obviously don't share them.

Uh... You bring up a point, defend it and then when called on it backpedal and say it isn't your belief...

Now John C. Dvorak is Ron Paul and Glen Beck? Just add Sean Hannity and they turn into Right-wing-Voltron!

Proving that the Internet is write-only, one hardline Obama supporter at a time?

My Dad loves Beck, and while I can see his charm I also see how he'll force more folks to the middle of the road. Which in 20 years might not be a bad thing.

Hell I was a young republican once, if I can move to the center anyone can!!

If Glen Beck keeps losing advertisers at the rate he has lately, he won't be doing much influencing one way or the other.

My Dad loves Beck, and while I can see his charm I also see how he'll force more folks to the middle of the road. Which in 20 years might not be a bad thing.

Hell I was a young republican once, if I can move to the center anyone can!!

Fanny only you would consider yourself in the center...

Well to be fair, Attila the Hun is considered a moderate where Fanny makes his home.

Both of you have brown stains up around your ears. There is little I agree with when it comes to the Republican party as it stands today.

I've voted Democrat more times than either of you have been allowed to vote and before you were told how to vote.

Neither of you are glowing examples, hell you are just as bad as you whined the other side was the last 8 years.

Professor, please to tell me how to think!!!!

Professor, please to tell me how to think!!!!

Man are you completly missing the point! thinking in the first place is your major problem.

Shhh...it's OK Comrade. put down the mouse and go shopping. nothing says happiness better than a new pair of Nike's. don't forget to hit a Starbucks along the way.




P.S. you living up here in Hippy land yet?

Lived up in Seattle area for a month, didn't work out ( Had to fly back to Indiana for family reasons ).

Are you living in Elwood now?

Well , visiting outside of Alexandria to be more precise.

My mom works in Elwood now at a furniture store. I'm gonna be in Kokomo this weekend if you think you could get a drink.

Sorry to hear that it didnt work out for ya Bro. :(

Was hoping to get a chance to buy ya a beer and a burger and talk shit about..well everyone and everything.

Sorry to hear that it didnt work out for ya Bro. :(

Was hoping to get a chance to buy ya a beer and a burger and talk shit about..well everyone and everything.

Ya never know where I'll end up, once I get my son in school I'm just as like to end up one place or another.

Tale, I leave Saturday so likely will miss out on that beer ;(