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Osgiliath666
02-05-2004, 11:51 PM
From the Asian times. (http://www.atimes.com)

It's not the end of the world - it's the end of you

Last week's London snowstorm was the last straw. With no particular scientific evidence in hand, I have come to the conclusion that global warming is a looney cult. Londoners may have frolicked on the frozen Thames in the days of famous diarist Samuel Pepys in the mid-17th century, but today's Britons cannot reconcile this disruption of their lukewarm climate with the notion that temperatures are steadily rising.

The scientific controversy is beyond me, but I can recognize the fixed stare, the strained voice-throb and the rigid jaw of a madman at a hundred paces. The Greens hector us about the impending end of the world. I put it to them: perhaps it is not the end of the world, but just the end of you. Analysis of global temperature is a subtle issue about which reasonable men might in good faith reach different conclusions. The evangelical zealotry that motivates the global-warmers has a different source than the facts.

Human beings cannot bear their own transient existence without some hope of immortality. Except for the Americans, whom Europeans dismiss as bovine about such things, the children of the West long ago abandoned the promises of religion. The childless Europeans lack even the consolation of physical continuity. They have no future; other people will occupy the lands where they dwell, and their languages will be entombed in libraries. The myriad amusements available to them cannot forever distract them from the horrible advent of their own disappearance. Europeans: As a matter of demographic fact, it is indeed the end of you (Why Europe chooses extinction, April 8, 2003).

That settled, let us consider the minor matter of the end of the world. For the same reason that men cannot live without the hope of immortality, they cannot bear their gray, miserable lives without some sense of exaltation - religion, art, music, poetry, sex, drugs, violence, whatever. With the decline of Christianity and its bodyguard, the high culture of the West, sex, drugs and violence predominate. These devices eventually leave the user all the more anxious.

By living on the underside of popular culture, the young people of the West make themselves feel worthless and insignificant. In the cartoon Ants , an insect (with Woody Allen's voice) complains to an ant psychiatrist: "I feel so insignificant," to which the ant psychiatrist replies: "That's a breakthrough. You are insignificant." That is a creepy thought; if human beings truly felt themselves to be insignificant, the suicide rate would be much higher. In fact, cultures who truly come to feel insignificant, eg, Stone Age peoples who come into unwanted contact with the modern world, sometimes register suicide rates of 25 percent to 50 percent (Live and let die, April 13, 2002). We do not typically observe very high rates of suicide because the human mind resists its own destruction by wishing away its sense of insignificance. Paranoia is one such device. In the United States, many African-Americans believe that evil white doctors invented AIDS to wipe out the black population. Adolf Hitler believed that syphilis was a Jewish plot to poison Aryan blood. Egyptian high school textbooks teach that American pilots and spy technology secretly won the 1967 war for Israel, and so forth.

Today's educated Westerners do not normally believe in such bizarre ideas, but they are susceptible to subtler forms of the same thing. The sense of the transcendent they derive from contemplating nature is of desperate importance. "It is not that I will pass from the earth without leaving so much as a grease spot to mark my stay," thinks the Green. "It is the earth herself who is in danger. The rain forests will vanish! The whales will become extinct! The German forest is dying! The ice caps are melting!"

Anxiety about the irreversible disappearance of some feature of the natural world substitutes for the death-anxiety of the individual. In the extreme case, the Green becomes the enemy of industrial civilization in general. Of course I do not oppose sensible measures to protect rain forests, prevent over-fishing, and so forth, but I am weary of the fanaticism that distinguishes the conservationist from the environmental fanatic who has turned against civilization. It is worth observing that the US returns farmland to the wilderness every year, because rising agricultural productivity concentrates more output on a smaller number of square kilometers. Wandering the forests of New Hampshire one continuously stumbles on stone fences that long ago enclosed small farms.

Perhaps that explains why Americans showed insufficient concern over global warming to support the 1997 Kyoto Treaty (not even Howard Dean would sign it as currently presented). In their experience, the wilderness is growing not shrinking. Something deeper may be at work, however. Unlike the Europeans, most Americans cling to the old Judeo-Christian religion, according to which the sun and moon simply are lamps and watches set in the sky for the use of humankind. For them, what is transcendent is a creator who is not himself part of nature. Celestial bodies merely sit on the display cases of the creator's shop window. Far fewer Americans confound their own sense of mortality with the vulnerability of the natural world, because they have chosen other means to address the matter of mortality.

Otherwise, I shall continue to collect recipes for endangered species. An acquaintance in the Pacific Northwest of the United States assures me that spotted owl tastes just like chicken.

Winterworg
02-06-2004, 12:17 AM
I saw this today also. Thought provoking. A lib friend of mine told me that the cooling trend was due to the warming at the equator causing cold air to be pulled down. So when we are locked into an ice age the global warming folks will tell us... see I told you.

Gulor Gularin
02-06-2004, 01:04 AM
Never mind that ice ages are a naturally occuring cycle of the earth and that we are nearly due for another if past patterns are any indication. My guess is it's been speeded up a bit but was coming anyway.

Lleauric
02-06-2004, 12:55 PM
Fear is a great motivator.

If you want to get people to act, send you money, vote for you, strap dynamite to themselves....

Liberals scare you with enviromental collapse and catastrophe, conservatives scare you with (now) Terrorists blowing you up.. it used to be street crime. (/wave Willie Horton)
People in power WANT you scared, they want you frightened and easy to control.

Your greatest act of Patriotism would be to make your politicians work harder. Dont buy any of their bullshit, demand real answers and results.

akipt
02-06-2004, 02:14 PM
conservatives scare you with (now) Terrorists blowing you up..

Yeah, funny that terrorism is a real problem though, unlike global warming. You know, 9/11, Moscow subways blowing up today, and that whole ricin thing this week were just figments of my imagination.

Ruthey
02-06-2004, 02:41 PM
Odd that folks go to such an extreme level over what is just plain common sense. Dump poison in the environment you live in, you will be poisoned. We're all so carried away by our grasping after things and money and power that we choose to avert our eyes from this simple fact.

hartmut
02-06-2004, 02:51 PM
aptek obvouisly its your focused perception which makes you think there is a serious problem with terrorism ... just check how many people died today in carcrash or by lungcancer or just hunger due lack of food worldwide .... if you put it in the right spotlight you could make also a story of the new mysterius lungcancer epedemy which is ramaging in the world or the danger of using a certain householdtool because one out of 1000 people cutting their finger off with it and like 100 !!! fingers cut off per year OMG what a serious threat ...

like l2 said , people who like to gain power use mainly fear to control other people ...and if you have control over massmedia , you have the perfect tool to reporgramm peoples brains .... that a typical learning process , repeat and repeat the bullshit until the peoples ears almost bleeding and its just a matter of time and everyone believe that george bush had anal sex with mickey mouse and it was the only way to stop saddam hussain.


in either way no matter if left or rightwing ideology or any kinds of relegions FEAR rules and it can be very motivating .
christians fear the hell , since centuries ... which is really stupid since nothing is proven ...
hindi people fear reincarnation as a cockroack due bad karma etc ...

.... but infact most western people have nothing really much to worry ... if you compare their lives with people from really pisspoor countries in africa, south america and asia where people cannot affort food and basic security for themselfes ...

Ibudin
02-06-2004, 03:18 PM
Hartmut,

That was by far the best thing iv'e seen you post. Have to say I totally agree with you. Fear is a powerful tool. I see it with my parents when they spend way to much time watching the nightly news. They are so gulable.

akipt
02-06-2004, 03:22 PM
.... but infact most western people have nothing really much to worry ... if you compare their lives with people from really pisspoor countries in africa, south america and asia where people cannot affort food and basic security for themselfes ...
And what exactly seperates us from those people? Why are they so piss poor and can't feed themselves? Why aren't they secure?

Feuerfaust
02-06-2004, 03:25 PM
Odd that folks go to such an extreme level over what is just plain common sense. Dump poison in the environment you live in, you will be poisoned.

Let's start with a point we can all agree on - gas, fluid and solids ejected out of volcanos are probably all bad for humans to ingest, get in their eye, breathe, soak in, use as a suppository, or drink. Poison, if you will. I think we can also agree that it is emitted into the atmosphere, no? Volcanos have been around longer than man. We're still here. How can we still be alive after thousands of eruptions per year, for several billion years?

We're all so carried away by our grasping after things and money and power that we choose to avert our eyes from this simple fact.

What logic or chain of evens lead you (Not the "Ruthey" version of "you", but the "chicken-little" "yous" out there) to believe that we're going to all die and the world is going to end due to greenhouse effects, or super-floods, or some other silly scenario? Please don't show silly facts and figures from some scientist that gets money from the govn't to keep irrational hand-wringers scared and voting for the politicians that pretend to hear their plea. I just used a specific example of something that any rational person could deduce, and certainly cannot deny. I think you're probably more stating that there can certainly be catastrophic damages in small regions due to carelessness or irresponsibility. This I agree with, but we are in no way, shape or form going to "destroy the planet", even with our best efforts. (These are the ones that I take exception to, and like to infuriate.) The earth is a lot more durable than most give it credit for.

PS - Fuck the Kyoto Accord. Fuck it in its stupid ass. We didn't sign it, we don't have to listen to it, and there ain't shit anyone can do about it. Ha-fucking-ha ha! (That was merely a gratuitous stab for the effect of entertainment and raising blood-pressure.)

Off to work where we happily pollute the environment, and laugh as we drink our evil martinis, wearing our evil corporate uniforms, with our evil pinkies lifted while plotting evil things in a polluted (smoke-filled) room that is lit by burning trees fresh-cut from the Amazon, dipped in oil and burned in inefficient generators to produce electricity that fuels the one bare lightbulb in the room. Y'all have a nice day, y'hear?

Winterworg
02-06-2004, 05:57 PM
I wish you dumbasses would quit trying to diminish the threat of terrorism by comparing it to epidemiological statistics of other causes of death. The same dumb fucks did the same thing with SARS. American fear of terrorism has nothing to do with the government trying to rule us by fear. It has to do with foreigners trying to rule us by fear. When we get hit we hit back.... hard. You all know that now so hopefully you'll think twice next time.

Nydia Ywalmoriel
02-06-2004, 06:33 PM
Hey kids :)

The *local* cooling that has resulted over Great Britain is a *result* of global warming, not evidence that it isn't happening. You see folks, when the global temperature rises, the poles melt prematurely, and the salinity of the ocean decreases. When this happens, the major flow patterns change (such as the now famous 'El Nino'), and the North Atlantic, which bathes Great Britain and the European coastline, and normally is warmed by the Gulf Stream, gets plunged into the deep freeze because the warm current is no longer pointed its way.

Global warming is, in all liklihood, going to be a *very* chilly deal for Western Europe, if current climatological models hold...

Regards,
Nydia Ywalmoriel
Autonomous Collective

Winterworg
02-06-2004, 06:57 PM
See :) Last winter was warm and they were telling us global warming. This one is cold and not "local" and they're telling us global warming.

You're not my mom, I'm not your kid, and I'm not buying the bullshit. Environmental hoaxes suck.

akipt
02-06-2004, 07:10 PM
when the global temperature rises
This used to coincide with the ozone hole that was going to kill us all. Last study from Nasa I saw showed the ozone hole was actually healing iteself. So now convienently this ozone business is dropped from the theories. Where are these global temperature increases? Half a degree in Siberia?

the poles melt prematurely, and the salinity of the ocean decreases.
Diluted ocean water? I haven't seen any news reports of coastal flooding, or that of increased tidal patterns.

the major flow patterns change ... and the North Atlantic, which bathes Great Britain and the European coastline, and normally is warmed by the Gulf Stream, gets plunged into the deep freeze because the warm current is no longer pointed its way.
This is a real shocker! The Gulf Stream now flows south to north? lol

Pleeease.

Winterworg
02-06-2004, 07:31 PM
According to the computer model they use to support global warming, the earth fried itself 800 million years ago.

Esbat
02-06-2004, 08:00 PM
Nydia is brings up a good point.

As the ice caps grow during the winter, the water that freezes loses some of its salt into the surrounding water. This makes the water sink (because it is more dense). This water then has a pretty complex ride across the ocean floor.

This is a real shocker! The Gulf Stream now flows south to north? lol

North to South along the US coast. Do you know what way the current (was) flowing towards the British Isles? Do you know why their climate was (for the most part) mild for their latitude?

Winterworg
02-06-2004, 08:22 PM
Do you know why there was only a 1.6 degree increase in temperature over the last 50 years and there have been several greater swings in temperature over much shorter periods of time in recorded history?

Gulor Gularin
02-06-2004, 08:24 PM
Yep, the Gulf Stream flows up the coast of N. America then crosses over in a clockwise direction to Europe. It has also been found to stop on occasion once in a very great while due to entirely natural causes. It then restarts itself when salinity increases again. At least, that is what the evidence indicates.

If the flow does die off, it will get mighty cold in a lot of Europe.

trimlock
02-06-2004, 08:56 PM
the change in direction is also due to erosion

but c'mon all this talk about cold, its still winter!